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On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:39:29 GMT, Guy King
wrote: The message from Andy Hall contains these words: I think that we should do away with street lights anyway and cut down on light pollution. And what, pray, would we hang the politicians from when we finally get fed up with 'em? Meaning we're not fed up with them now? I think that punishment to fit style would be appropriate - e.g. 10 rounds with Chris Byrd for Prescott, standing on Lenin's Tomb in his underpants in January for Brown, etc. -- ..andy |
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On 19 Mar 2006 08:48:39 -0800, "Weatherlawyer"
wrote: Nick wrote: Matt wrote: On 15 Mar 2006 10:30:52 -0800, "Weatherlawyer" wrote: Nuclear power plants can run almost indefinitely at 2% output but these rates are rarely reached 24/7 especially no in summer. 2% ? Chernobyl reached 100%, for a little while Quite nearly right. The graphite cored ones are pretty safe at 2%, not that I am advocating them. What the hell is this 2% you keep referring to? If it is the idea that you can run a nuclear reactor at 2% output forever then you will have to totally rethink the steam turbines to cater for very "wet" steam. 2% on a 660MW AGR is 13MW. The auxiliaries alone are over 20MW and until you start pulling good vacuum on the condensers and start using feed heating the efficiency is very, very poor. So the question has to be asked just exactly what was the point you were trying to make? -- |
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"tim (in sweden)" wrote in message ... "Tony Bryer" wrote in message ... On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:02:07 GMT Fray Bentos wrote : When it finally runs out / becomes too expensive / rare , will we be living in all-electric homes? Standard tariff electricity is 3-4 times the price of gas per kWh. But as we build better insulated and better sealed homes that need a lot less energy and as the price of gas c.h. servicing and repairs goes up the TCO of electric heating may well become lower than for gas. In some cases it already is. When I owned a rental flat it used to cost me almost as much to service the aged boiler [1] each year than I payed in electric to heat my own all electric (UK) house. There were some studios in the same block with GCH that could easily have been kept warm with 2 NSR at less TCO. What is an NCR? Nigh storage rads? If so, then say that. GCH is installed because buyers 'expect' it. It really annoys me when I see these property programs criticise a small flat with perfectly adequate for the size of the property NSRs because "it needs GCH installing". Night storage rads are basically crap. They tend to be big and don't give out heat when you want it. The only time electricity is viable for space heating is when the house is highly insulated. One current thread someone mentioned his friend did this and his heating system rarely comes on. Swedish insulation levels. In fact he is insulated to higher levels as we have a temperate climate. Electricity tends to be "service" free, but not maintenance free. Things do go wrong. In a highly insulated house it may be worth having individual wall hung electric heaters that can be unplugged and replaced by the user to avoid maintenance bills. It is usually cheaper to replace than repair these days. But!! Try selling a house with electric CH, even though it may be cheaper overall. Myths go for decades. Another myth is forced air too. "Much" superior to a rad system if well designed and fitted, but the stigma of the 1960s cheapo systems council blocks lives on. One classic case was in Milton Keynes in the early 1990s, when one of the countries first heatingless eco houses in Energy Park went on sale. The dumbo estate agent dropped the price by £2 to 3K as it never had a heating system. |
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"Andy Hall" aka Matt wrote in message ... On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:46:32 -0000, "Doctor Drivel" wrote: "Andy Hall" aka Matt wrote in message . .. On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 10:48:51 +0000, Andrew Sinclair wrote: Capturing the CO2 from a power station and stuffing it down an oil field (Enhanced Oil Recovery as it is known) would save the cost of carbon credits and release valuable oil so it is of great interest to the oil and power industries. Trouble is, getting the CO2 to the oil fields requires pipelines - yet another national infrastructure (and the technology to scrub the CO2 out of the power plants - very immature at the moment) so the best option is to build new coal plants on the East Coast of the UK close to the North Sea oil fields. ... or build nuclear ones and not have the carbon issue in the first place. Matt, we do away with street lights because we all glow in the dark. I think that we should do away with street lights anyway and cut down on light pollution. Matt, well you have the answer. |
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Doctor Drivel wrote: "tim (in sweden)" wrote in message ... It really annoys me when I see these property programs criticise a small flat with perfectly adequate for the size of the property NSRs because "it needs GCH installing". Night storage rads are basically crap. They tend to be big and don't give out heat when you want it. Oh dear. I am in agreement with this idiot. Perhaps he has learned a few things since he was IMM. Night stores wake you up at night having made the room unbearably warm. So you open a window and try and arrange the bed to be a little less heat retentive. All while you are half asleep. Then you get up and open a few more windows and heat the planet until late morning when you can start closing them. By mid afternoon you will have the windows closed on a cold day and by evening the time that most single occupants normally come in from work, you need to wrap up -as the storage has unstored its heat. They are a monstrous waste of sleep, health, energy and space. If you need to block up all the ventilation in the home, you are going to be a sick puppy when the asian flu comes. And it will be here sooner or later. Get your sinuses sorted out pdq if you want to survive. Plenty of fresh air, exercise, fresh food and balanced meals. And you could still be a gonner this time next year. |
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:08:35 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote: "Andy Hall" aka Matt wrote in message .. . On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:46:32 -0000, "Doctor Drivel" wrote: "Andy Hall" aka Matt wrote in message ... On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 10:48:51 +0000, Andrew Sinclair wrote: Capturing the CO2 from a power station and stuffing it down an oil field (Enhanced Oil Recovery as it is known) would save the cost of carbon credits and release valuable oil so it is of great interest to the oil and power industries. Trouble is, getting the CO2 to the oil fields requires pipelines - yet another national infrastructure (and the technology to scrub the CO2 out of the power plants - very immature at the moment) so the best option is to build new coal plants on the East Coast of the UK close to the North Sea oil fields. ... or build nuclear ones and not have the carbon issue in the first place. Matt, we do away with street lights because we all glow in the dark. I think that we should do away with street lights anyway and cut down on light pollution. Matt, well you have the answer. I usually do... -- ..andy Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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Guy King wrote: I think that we should do away with street lights anyway and cut down on light pollution. And what, pray, would we hang the politicians from when we finally get fed up with 'em? Their ********, preferably. If any of them have any. -- *Money isn't everything, but it sure keeps the kids in touch. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote: One classic case was in Milton Keynes in the early 1990s, when one of the countries first heatingless eco houses in Energy Park went on sale. The dumbo estate agent dropped the price by £2 to 3K as it never had a heating system. And it still didn't sell because of the location. -- *A dog's not just for Christmas, it's alright on a Friday night too* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Weatherlawyer wrote: Night stores wake you up at night having made the room unbearably warm. So you open a window and try and arrange the bed to be a little less heat retentive. All while you are half asleep. Then you get up and open a few more windows and heat the planet until late morning when you can start closing them. Storing heat at one point of the day if energy is cheap then and releasing it when it's needed later on isn't rocket science. That most electrical storage heaters didn't do this is because they were cheap and nasty. -- *Why is 'abbreviation' such a long word? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:23:52 GMT, "Mark" wrote:
marble wrote in message Politics is often as important in deciding where drilling takes place as the feasibility of extraction. We could do with building some proper aircraft carriers to secure the oil thats rightly ours. Oh we are... But... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3718567.stm - Seems the problem is the ships wont have a catapult but just a ski slope thing so weight is a problem. Maybe they'll buy he French naval plane: http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2006/03/f35-joint-strike-fighter-program-uk-update/index.php#more |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile flatulence wrote in message ... In article ews.net, Doctor Drivel wrote: One classic case was in Milton Keynes in the early 1990s, when one of the countries first heatingless eco houses in Energy Park went on sale. The dumbo estate agent dropped the price by £2 to 3K as it never had a heating system. And it still didn't sell because of the location. That was Richard's first and only venture into estate agentsism |
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marble wrote in message ... We could do with building some proper aircraft carriers to secure the oil thats rightly ours. Oh we are... But... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3718567.stm - Seems the problem is the ships wont have a catapult but just a ski slope thing so weight is a problem. http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...fighter-progra m-uk-update/index.php#more Maybe they'll buy he French naval plane: God help us ! Perhaps we should get the Chinese to tender a quote for this, since we no longer have the ability to manufacture anything in this country. - |
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In message , Guy King
writes And what, pray, would we hang the politicians from when we finally get fed up with 'em? Trees. Which have the additional benefit of removing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. -- Andrew Sinclair http://www.smellycat.org |
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from "Dave Plowman (News)" contains these words: I think that we should do away with street lights anyway and cut down on light pollution. And what, pray, would we hang the politicians from when we finally get fed up with 'em? Their ********, preferably. If any of them have any. So - you're suggesting we hang them up by their ******** from their ********? Hmmm, it's got a nice evil twist to it but I'm not sure of the practicalities. -- Skipweasel Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. |
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In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote: One classic case was in Milton Keynes in the early 1990s, when one of the countries first heatingless eco houses in Energy Park went on sale. The dumbo estate agent dropped the price by £2 to 3K as it never had a heating system. And it still didn't sell because of the location. That was Richard's first and only venture into estate agentsism That comment might make more sense if you explained who 'Richard' was and what 'agentsism' was. I'm sure you can find a website to quote which will help you. -- *Shin: a device for finding furniture in the dark * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In message , Guy King
writes The message from "Dave Plowman (News)" contains these words: I think that we should do away with street lights anyway and cut down on light pollution. And what, pray, would we hang the politicians from when we finally get fed up with 'em? Their ********, preferably. If any of them have any. So - you're suggesting we hang them up by their ******** from their ********? Hmmm, it's got a nice evil twist to it but I'm not sure of the practicalities. The new face of bootstrapping -- geoff |
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Guy King wrote So - you're suggesting we(?) hang them up by their ******** from their ********? Hmmm, it's got a nice evil twist to it but I'm not sure of the practicalities. And doing it themselves to boot! I would like to see that. Any chance? |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Storing heat at one point of the day if energy is cheap then and releasing it when it's needed later on isn't rocket science. That most electrical storage heaters didn't do this is because they were cheap and nasty. But designing one that doesn't take up more room than the inhabitant is rocket science. Making it work efficiently is brain surgery. |
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from "Weatherlawyer" contains these words: I would like to see that. Any chance? They way slipperyTone is going.... -- Skipweasel Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. |
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"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message ups.com... Doctor Drivel wrote: "tim (in sweden)" wrote in message ... It really annoys me when I see these property programs criticise a small flat with perfectly adequate for the size of the property NSRs because "it needs GCH installing". Night storage rads are basically crap. They tend to be big and don't give out heat when you want it. Oh dear. Oh a fool says something. What does he say?.... I am in agreement Another new recruit to the uk.d-i-y Lunatic Association. He should get on well with the senile one. snip drivel |
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"Mark" wrote in message ... marble wrote in message ... We could do with building some proper aircraft carriers to secure the oil thats rightly ours. Oh we are... But... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3718567.stm - Seems the problem is the ships wont have a catapult but just a ski slope thing so weight is a problem. http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...fighter-progra m-uk-update/index.php#more Maybe they'll buy he French naval plane: God help us ! Perhaps we should get the Chinese to tender a quote for this, since we no longer have the ability to manufacture anything in this country. Thanks to Thatcher and her small minded Little Middle England mentality. |
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