On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 20:24:10 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:

Lord Hall at it again.

Who He??

The longest sustained economic growth in history under the present government. Fabulous..

Unfortunately not here.

Redundancies wall to wall. I've never seen the like of it previously.

Snip senile drivel.

DG

"Derek ^" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 20:24:10 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:

Lord Hall at it again.

Who He??

The longest sustained economic growth in history under the present
government. Fabulous..

Unfortunately not here.

Redundancies wall to wall. I've never seen the like of it previously.

It appears you deserve it.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember John Cartmell
saying something like:

Is this the violence by imported police on very substantial bonuses, illegally
hiding their police numbers and taunting the unpaid striking miners with
commnets about those bonuses?

Squaddies in police uniforms were among the numberless police.
--

Dave

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
reenews.net...

Lord Hall at it again. The longest sustained economic growth in history
under the present government. Fabulous..


Its been going on for about 25 years now.
Just shows what happens when the Conservatives are in power.

In article ,
Roger wrote:
[insults SNIPped]

I seriously doubt your basic claim - that the Thatcher government had
plans to close twice as many pits as Scagill claimed prior to Scagill
promoting the idea - if only because the outcome would likely have been
a negative number of pits left working.

I cannot remember the exact numbers - and don't have the references to hand -
but I can assure you that Scargill was leaked the wrong info (ie told that it
was bad but not as bad as it was really planned to be) - and deliberately
lightened that message because he didn't think anyone would believe it to be
*that* bad.

What you report is the government line at the time. It was black propaganda
through and through. It has all been reported since - though probably not in
the Daily Mail - but no-one is that much interested anymore.

But at least you now know why some people don't like Thatcher - even if you
don't want to believe it.

--
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Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com
Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing

On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 20:50:57 GMT, Roger
wrote:

I seriously doubt your basic claim - that the Thatcher government had
plans to close twice as many pits as Scagill claimed prior to Scagill
promoting the idea - if only because the outcome would likely have been
a negative number of pits left working.

Your negative numbers argument is laughable. The original numbers were
for 20 pits to close. Go on, check the figures. Then check the facts
on how many the evil bitch and her lap dogs actually closed. You'll
find that all the evidence is already in the public domain. History
will in time record it as one of the most treacherous acts a British
government has *ever* carried out.





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"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
...
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember John Cartmell
saying something like:

Is this the violence by imported police on very substantial bonuses,
illegally
hiding their police numbers and taunting the unpaid striking miners with
commnets about those bonuses?

Squaddies in police uniforms were among the numberless police.

Where did you get this from?

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Doctor Drivel"
saying something like:


"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
.. .
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember John Cartmell
saying something like:

Is this the violence by imported police on very substantial bonuses,
illegally
hiding their police numbers and taunting the unpaid striking miners with
commnets about those bonuses?

Squaddies in police uniforms were among the numberless police.

Where did you get this from?

From a squaddie.
--

Dave

In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
...
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember John Cartmell
saying something like:

Is this the violence by imported police on very substantial bonuses,
illegally
hiding their police numbers and taunting the unpaid striking miners with
commnets about those bonuses?

Squaddies in police uniforms were among the numberless police.

Where did you get this from?

Certainly I've heard it - and from a believable source - but I cannot remember
having seen it proved.

--
John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822
Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com
Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing

"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
...
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Doctor Drivel"
saying something like:


"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in
message
. ..
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember John Cartmell
saying something like:

Is this the violence by imported police on very substantial bonuses,
illegally
hiding their police numbers and taunting the unpaid striking miners with
commnets about those bonuses?

Squaddies in police uniforms were among the numberless police.

Where did you get this from?

From a squaddie.

Well I believe you. Any soldier who turns on his own people deserves to be
shot.

"John Cartmell" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Roger wrote:
[insults SNIPped]

I seriously doubt your basic claim - that the Thatcher government had
plans to close twice as many pits as Scagill claimed prior to Scagill
promoting the idea - if only because the outcome would likely have been
a negative number of pits left working.

I cannot remember the exact numbers - and don't have the references to
hand -
but I can assure you that Scargill was leaked the wrong info (ie told that
it
was bad but not as bad as it was really planned to be) - and deliberately
lightened that message because he didn't think anyone would believe it to
be
*that* bad.

What you report is the government line at
the time. It was black propaganda
through and through. It has all been
reported since - though probably not in
the Daily Mail - but no-one is that much
interested anymore.

But at least you now know why some
people don't like Thatcher - even if you
don't want to believe it.

The miners strike became a north vs. south and the south won. The south
viewed the north of England as backwards and dirty even though I know few
who have actually been there. The police (and squadies?) beat down the
miners to the glee of the southerners. I felt ashamed to be amongst them and
they gloated watching the TV pictures. Then they would walk home stepping
over 1000s of sleeping bodies in the streets and said it was all their own
fault too. The power of media poisoned their minds as they had nothing to
gain from Thatcher.

The biggest mystery of British politics is how she was in power for so long
when it was clear the damage she was doing. Tony Benn said it was costing
the nation a fortune in protecting the Prime Minister from the British
people, and that wasn't including the IRA.

"John Cartmell" wrote in message
...
In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in
message
...
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember John Cartmell
saying something like:

Is this the violence by imported police on very substantial bonuses,
illegally
hiding their police numbers and taunting the unpaid striking miners
with
commnets about those bonuses?

Squaddies in police uniforms were among the numberless police.

Where did you get this from?

Certainly I've heard it - and from a
believable source - but I cannot remember
having seen it proved.

Obviously volunteers. Those sort of arseholes are probably bailiffs now.
Even bigger scum.

"John Cartmell" wrote in message
...
In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in
message
...
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember John Cartmell
saying something like:

Is this the violence by imported police on very substantial bonuses,
illegally
hiding their police numbers and taunting the unpaid striking miners
with
commnets about those bonuses?

Squaddies in police uniforms were among the numberless police.

Where did you get this from?

Certainly I've heard it - and from a believable source - but I cannot
remember
having seen it proved.

I don't doubt it, but the government did not have the full support of the
soldiers. I recall being in Honk Kong at the time, and seeing a few soldiers
sitting in a bar in Stanley with "Coal Not Dole" tee shirts on.

On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 00:39:09 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:



The miners strike became a north vs. south and the south won. The south
viewed the north of England as backwards and dirty even though I know few
who have actually been there. The police (and squadies?) beat down the
miners to the glee of the southerners. I felt ashamed to be amongst them and
they gloated watching the TV pictures.


I didn't know that you were a squaddy.....

--

..andy

On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 00:00:25 +0000 (GMT), John Cartmell
wrote:

In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
...
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember John Cartmell
saying something like:

Is this the violence by imported police on very substantial bonuses,
illegally
hiding their police numbers and taunting the unpaid striking miners with
commnets about those bonuses?

Squaddies in police uniforms were among the numberless police.

Where did you get this from?

Certainly I've heard it - and from a believable source - but I cannot remember
having seen it proved.


Morning Star... Socialist Worker... Pravda... Bunty.... ?




--

..andy

On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 00:42:59 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"John Cartmell" wrote in message
...
In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in
message
...
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember John Cartmell
saying something like:

Is this the violence by imported police on very substantial bonuses,
illegally
hiding their police numbers and taunting the unpaid striking miners
with
commnets about those bonuses?

Squaddies in police uniforms were among the numberless police.

Where did you get this from?

Certainly I've heard it - and from a
believable source - but I cannot remember
having seen it proved.

Obviously volunteers. Those sort of arseholes are probably bailiffs now.
Even bigger scum.

Checkout operators in LIDL?



--

..andy

On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 01:02:37 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"John Cartmell" wrote in message
...
In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in
message
...
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember John Cartmell
saying something like:

Is this the violence by imported police on very substantial bonuses,
illegally
hiding their police numbers and taunting the unpaid striking miners
with
commnets about those bonuses?

Squaddies in police uniforms were among the numberless police.

Where did you get this from?

Certainly I've heard it - and from a believable source - but I cannot
remember
having seen it proved.

I don't doubt it, but the government did not have the full support of the
soldiers. I recall being in Honk Kong at the time, and seeing a few soldiers
sitting in a bar in Stanley with "Coal Not Dole" tee shirts on.


You must have superb eyesight to be able to see all the way to the
Falklands from there.

--

..andy

The message ews.net
from "Doctor Drivel" contains these words:

But at least you now know why some
people don't like Thatcher - even if you
don't want to believe it.

Some people have better reasons for hating Thatcher than support for
Scagills attempted revolution.

The miners strike became a north vs. south and the south won.

Well Yorkshire is North of Nottinghamshire but in the end the
Nottinghamshire miners lost as well. The S. Wales, Kent and other
remnant Coal fields were only minor side issues.

--
Roger Chapman

"Roger" wrote in message
k...
The message ews.net
from "Doctor Drivel" contains these words:

But at least you now know why some
people don't like Thatcher - even if you
don't want to believe it.

Some people have better reasons for hating Thatcher than support for
Scagills attempted revolution.

The miners strike became a north vs. south and the south won.

Well Yorkshire is North of Nottinghamshire but in the end the
Nottinghamshire miners lost as well. The S. Wales, Kent and other
remnant Coal fields were only minor side issues.

Public opinion was overwhelmingly against the miners in the south.

"John Cartmell" wrote in message
...

Just shows what happens when the Conservatives are in power.

You redefine black to mean white.

I think you will find new labour did that.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 00:00:25 +0000 (GMT), John Cartmell
wrote:

In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in
message
...
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember John Cartmell
saying something like:

Is this the violence by imported
police on very substantial bonuses,
illegally hiding their police numbers
and taunting the unpaid striking miners with
commnets about those bonuses?

Squaddies in police uniforms were
among the numberless police.

Where did you get this from?

Certainly I've heard it - and from
a believable source - but I cannot
remember having seen it proved.

Morning Star... Socialist Worker... Pravda... Bunty.... ?

Matt, an encyclopaedia?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Miners'_Strike_(1984-1985)

Matt, you are so brainwashed it is beyond belief.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 01:02:37 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"John Cartmell" wrote in message
...
In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in
message
...
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember John Cartmell
saying something like:

Is this the violence by imported police on very substantial bonuses,
illegally
hiding their police numbers and taunting the unpaid striking miners
with
commnets about those bonuses?

Squaddies in police uniforms were among the numberless police.

Where did you get this from?

Certainly I've heard it - and from a believable source - but I cannot
remember
having seen it proved.

I don't doubt it, but the government did not have the full support of the
soldiers. I recall being in Honk Kong at the time, and seeing a few
soldiers
sitting in a bar in Stanley with "Coal Not Dole" tee shirts on.

You must have superb eyesight to
be able to see all the way to the
Falklands from there.

You have obviously never been to Honk Kong.

"dennis@home" wrote in message
. uk...

"John Cartmell" wrote in message
...

Just shows what happens when the Conservatives are in power.

You redefine black to mean white.

I think you will find new labour did that.

They never.

The message ews.net
from "Doctor Drivel" contains these words:

The miners strike became a north vs. south and the south won.

Well Yorkshire is North of Nottinghamshire but in the end the
Nottinghamshire miners lost as well. The S. Wales, Kent and other
remnant Coal fields were only minor side issues.

Public opinion was overwhelmingly against the miners in the south.

IIRC the Kent coal field was pretty much worked out before the miners
strike began and South Wales wasn't far behind so what had public
opinion got against the few remaining "miners in the south"?

--
Roger Chapman

"Roger" wrote in message
k...
The message ews.net
from "Doctor Drivel" contains these words:

The miners strike became a north vs. south and the south won.

Well Yorkshire is North of Nottinghamshire but in the end the
Nottinghamshire miners lost as well. The S. Wales, Kent and other
remnant Coal fields were only minor side issues.

Public opinion was overwhelmingly against the miners in the south.

IIRC the Kent coal field was pretty much worked out before the miners
strike began and South Wales wasn't far behind so what had public
opinion got against the few remaining "miners in the south"?

Roger, they didn't like the north of England.

The message ews.net
from "Doctor Drivel" contains these words:

Public opinion was overwhelmingly against the miners in the south.

There weren't many miners in the south.

--
Skipweasel
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

In article , Andy Hall
wrote:
Certainly I've heard it - and from a believable source - but I cannot
remember having seen it proved.

Morning Star... Socialist Worker... Pravda... Bunty.... ?

None of them and certainly not the Daily Mail. In this case directly from a
freelance journalist.

--
John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822
Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com
Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing

In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
You have obviously never been to Honk Kong.

That would be where you threw up because your meds were late?

--
*How many roads must a man travel down before he admits he is lost? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:53:19 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 00:00:25 +0000 (GMT), John Cartmell
wrote:

In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in
message
...
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember John Cartmell
saying something like:

Is this the violence by imported
police on very substantial bonuses,
illegally hiding their police numbers
and taunting the unpaid striking miners with
commnets about those bonuses?

Squaddies in police uniforms were
among the numberless police.

Where did you get this from?

Certainly I've heard it - and from
a believable source - but I cannot
remember having seen it proved.

Morning Star... Socialist Worker... Pravda... Bunty.... ?

Matt, an encyclopaedia?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Miners'_Strike_(1984-1985)

There is a note that the neutrality of this article is disputed.


--

..andy

On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:19:52 +0000 (GMT), John Cartmell
wrote:

In article , Andy Hall
wrote:
Certainly I've heard it - and from a believable source - but I cannot
remember having seen it proved.

Morning Star... Socialist Worker... Pravda... Bunty.... ?

None of them and certainly not the Daily Mail. In this case directly from a
freelance journalist.


Ah. That's OK then.


--

..andy

"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile
flatulence wrote in message ...
In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
You have obviously never been to Honk Kong.

That would be where you threw up because your meds were late?

Wow!! such babbling incomprehensible senility. Wow!! Sad isn't it.

"Andy Hall" aka Matt wrote in message
...
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:53:19 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 00:00:25 +0000 (GMT), John Cartmell
wrote:

In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in
message
...
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when
the
drugs began to take hold. I remember John Cartmell
saying something like:

Is this the violence by imported
police on very substantial bonuses,
illegally hiding their police numbers
and taunting the unpaid striking miners with
commnets about those bonuses?

Squaddies in police uniforms were
among the numberless police.

Where did you get this from?

Certainly I've heard it - and from
a believable source - but I cannot
remember having seen it proved.

Morning Star... Socialist Worker... Pravda... Bunty.... ?

Matt, an encyclopaedia?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Miners'_Strike_(1984-1985)

There is a note that the neutrality of this article is disputed.

Matt, you are right. Morning Star... Socialist Worker... Pravda, are all
Kosher.

"Andy Hall" aka Matt wrote in message
...
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:19:52 +0000 (GMT), John Cartmell
wrote:

In article , Andy Hall
wrote:
Certainly I've heard it - and from a believable source - but I cannot
remember having seen it proved.

Morning Star... Socialist Worker... Pravda... Bunty.... ?

None of them and certainly not the Daily Mail. In this case directly from
a
freelance journalist.

Ah. That's OK then.

Matt, I fully agree.

On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 20:19:35 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" aka Matt wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:53:19 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 00:00:25 +0000 (GMT), John Cartmell
wrote:


Certainly I've heard it - and from
a believable source - but I cannot
remember having seen it proved.

Morning Star... Socialist Worker... Pravda... Bunty.... ?

Matt, an encyclopaedia?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Miners'_Strike_(1984-1985)

There is a note that the neutrality of this article is disputed.

Matt, you are right. Morning Star... Socialist Worker... Pravda, are all
Kosher.


No, that's the Jerusalem Post....


--

..andy

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 20:19:35 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" aka Matt wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:53:19 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
m...
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 00:00:25 +0000 (GMT), John Cartmell
wrote:


Certainly I've heard it - and from
a believable source - but I cannot
remember having seen it proved.

Morning Star... Socialist Worker... Pravda... Bunty.... ?

Matt, an encyclopaedia?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Miners'_Strike_(1984-1985)

There is a note that the neutrality of this article is disputed.

Matt, you are right. Morning Star... Socialist Worker... Pravda, are all
Kosher.

No, that's the Jerusalem Post....

There you go, overwhelming evidence. As you are obsessed with Milton Keynes
(because Makita have a centre there) Jerusalem may be going to MK:
http://www.pointsofjew.com/2006/01/frum_jews_on_th.html

MK is a road grid and each cell is a suburb. One of the unbuilt cells is
wanted by strange looking Jewish people with big black hats who frighten the
kids, to make a Jewish ghetto in MK. So Buckinghamshire will now be the
Israel of England.

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
reenews.net...


MK is a road grid and each cell is a suburb. One of the unbuilt cells is
wanted by strange looking Jewish people with big black hats who frighten
the kids, to make a Jewish ghetto in MK. So Buckinghamshire will now be
the Israel of England.


Who has the contract to build the wall?

"dennis@home" wrote in message
. uk...

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
reenews.net...


MK is a road grid and each cell is a suburb. One of the unbuilt cells is
wanted by strange looking Jewish people with big black hats who frighten
the kids, to make a Jewish ghetto in MK. So Buckinghamshire will now be
the Israel of England.

Who has the contract to build the wall?

The wall will be a wailing success I'm sure.

On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:35:52 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:




MK is a road grid and each cell is a suburb. One of the unbuilt cells is
wanted by strange looking Jewish people with big black hats who frighten the
kids, to make a Jewish ghetto in MK. So Buckinghamshire will now be the
Israel of England.


You do have a vivid imagination.....


--

..andy

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:35:52 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:

MK is a road grid and each cell is a suburb. One of the unbuilt cells is
wanted by strange looking Jewish people with big black hats who frighten
the
kids, to make a Jewish ghetto in MK. So Buckinghamshire will now be the
Israel of England.

You do have a vivid imagination.....

They are not moving?

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 00:10:06 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:35:52 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:

MK is a road grid and each cell is a suburb. One of the unbuilt cells is
wanted by strange looking Jewish people with big black hats who frighten
the
kids, to make a Jewish ghetto in MK. So Buckinghamshire will now be the
Israel of England.

You do have a vivid imagination.....

They are not moving?


The walls of your padded cell?


--

..andy