I want to catch the brick & plaster dust when I drill a hole in
the wall at home.

I usually use my ordinary vaccuum cleaner (held by someone else)
to catch the dust as I drill. It works really well. And it
extracts and remaining debris in the drill hole which might
prevent a wall plug going in.

However the brick & plaster dust block up the vaccuum cleaner's
bag. Yes, it's one of the older vaccuum cleaners with a bag.

How can I fix up something which will trap the dust before it gets
to the bag?

I was thinking of somehow using some filter material: perhaps a
bit of densely woven fabric, or perhaps a square cut fro m an old
vaccuum cleaner bag. Any other ideas of what material to use?

How would this best be secured? Do you think the best arrangement
is to simply trap a piece of this filter material between the
nozzle attachment and the vaccuum cleaner pipe?

Maybe there is something economical I can buy here in the UK to
attach to the vaccuum cleaner to do this job. This Drill Mate
product looks a bit elaborate for infrequent home use and I can't
think it would trap enough of the dust. Does anyone have any
experiences with it? http://www.mustget1.com/pages/drillmate.html

Any other ideas onhow to trap the masonry dust?

Maybe it is possible to somehow wet the brick with water to
control the dust? Or something else? Use a handheld water mister
spray on the drill bit while drilling?




David

-----------

PS: In the past I used a "ceiling cup" on the drill bit but it
was not as effective as I would have liked.

I've also seen little plastic bag gadgets which you stick to the
wall and drill into to catch the dust but these are too expensive.

"David Peters" wrote in message
...
I want to catch the brick & plaster dust when I drill a hole in
the wall at home.

I usually use my ordinary vaccuum cleaner (held by someone else)
to catch the dust as I drill. It works really well. And it
extracts and remaining debris in the drill hole which might
prevent a wall plug going in.

However the brick & plaster dust block up the vaccuum cleaner's
bag. Yes, it's one of the older vaccuum cleaners with a bag.

How can I fix up something which will trap the dust before it gets
to the bag?

I was thinking of somehow using some filter material: perhaps a
bit of densely woven fabric, or perhaps a square cut fro m an old
vaccuum cleaner bag. Any other ideas of what material to use?

How would this best be secured? Do you think the best arrangement
is to simply trap a piece of this filter material between the
nozzle attachment and the vaccuum cleaner pipe?

Maybe there is something economical I can buy here in the UK to
attach to the vaccuum cleaner to do this job. This Drill Mate
product looks a bit elaborate for infrequent home use and I can't
think it would trap enough of the dust. Does anyone have any
experiences with it? http://www.mustget1.com/pages/drillmate.html

Any other ideas onhow to trap the masonry dust?

Maybe it is possible to somehow wet the brick with water to
control the dust? Or something else? Use a handheld water mister
spray on the drill bit while drilling?




David

-----------

PS: In the past I used a "ceiling cup" on the drill bit but it
was not as effective as I would have liked.

I've also seen little plastic bag gadgets which you stick to the
wall and drill into to catch the dust but these are too expensive.
I usually hold get the better half to hold a dustpan against the wall
catches most of the bits
or http://www.ronhazelton.com/tips/Pape...st_Catcher.htm

"David Peters" wrote in message

I want to catch the brick & plaster dust when I drill a hole in
the wall at home.

I usually use my ordinary vaccuum cleaner (held by someone
else) to catch the dust as I drill. It works really well. And
it extracts and remaining debris in the drill hole which might
prevent a wall plug going in.

However the brick & plaster dust block up the vaccuum cleaner's
bag. Yes, it's one of the older vaccuum cleaners with a bag.

How can I fix up something which will trap the dust before it
gets to the bag?

I was thinking of somehow using some filter material: perhaps
a bit of densely woven fabric, or perhaps a square cut fro m an
old vaccuum cleaner bag. Any other ideas of what material to
use?

How would this best be secured? Do you think the best
arrangement is to simply trap a piece of this filter material
between the nozzle attachment and the vaccuum cleaner pipe?

Maybe there is something economical I can buy here in the UK to
attach to the vaccuum cleaner to do this job. This Drill Mate
product looks a bit elaborate for infrequent home use and I
can't think it would trap enough of the dust. Does anyone have
any experiences with it?
http://www.mustget1.com/pages/drillmate.html

Any other ideas onhow to trap the masonry dust?

Maybe it is possible to somehow wet the brick with water to
control the dust? Or something else? Use a handheld water
mister spray on the drill bit while drilling?


On 03 Mar 2006, Mr Fixit wrote:

I usually hold get the better half to hold a dustpan against the
wall catches most of the bits
or http://www.ronhazelton.com/tips/Pape...st_Catcher.htm


I find that the brick & plaster dust goes further and wider than
the dimensions of a bag. Maybe I a extra-sensitive to it because
I might drill above my living room carpet whereas your interesting
pictures show you using a workbench and workshop.

David Peters wrote:

I want to catch the brick & plaster dust when I drill a hole in
the wall at home.

I usually use my ordinary vaccuum cleaner (held by someone else)
to catch the dust as I drill. It works really well. And it
extracts and remaining debris in the drill hole which might
prevent a wall plug going in.

However the brick & plaster dust block up the vaccuum cleaner's
bag. Yes, it's one of the older vaccuum cleaners with a bag.

How can I fix up something which will trap the dust before it gets
to the bag?

I was thinking of somehow using some filter material: perhaps a
bit of densely woven fabric, or perhaps a square cut fro m an old
vaccuum cleaner bag. Any other ideas of what material to use?

How would this best be secured? Do you think the best arrangement
is to simply trap a piece of this filter material between the
nozzle attachment and the vaccuum cleaner pipe?

Maybe there is something economical I can buy here in the UK to
attach to the vaccuum cleaner to do this job. This Drill Mate
product looks a bit elaborate for infrequent home use and I can't
think it would trap enough of the dust. Does anyone have any
experiences with it? http://www.mustget1.com/pages/drillmate.html

Any other ideas onhow to trap the masonry dust?

Maybe it is possible to somehow wet the brick with water to
control the dust? Or something else? Use a handheld water mister
spray on the drill bit while drilling?

David

-----------

PS: In the past I used a "ceiling cup" on the drill bit but it
was not as effective as I would have liked.

I've also seen little plastic bag gadgets which you stick to the
wall and drill into to catch the dust but these are too expensive.

I don't know if you can find this there, but it's pretty simple so you
could probably make one.

http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS...n.0& MID=9876

Pete C.

Pete C. wrote:

I don't know if you can find this there, but it's pretty simple so you
could probably make one.

http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS...n.0& MID=9876


I have taken a look, but can you narrow it down a bit please?

Dave

Dave wrote:

Pete C. wrote:

I don't know if you can find this there, but it's pretty simple so you
could probably make one.

http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS...n.0& MID=9876

I have taken a look, but can you narrow it down a bit please?

Dave

It's a water pre filter for a shop vac. Intended for drywall dust which
also clogs vacuums pretty readily. You should be able to make one from a
5gal bucket and a few fittings if you can't find the commercial one.
Basically you have the intake come in under the water level and the
exhaust to the vacuum just at the top of the bucket.

Pete C.

On 04 Mar 2006, Pete C. wrote:

It's a water pre filter for a shop vac. Intended for drywall
dust which also clogs vacuums pretty readily. You should be able
to make one from a 5gal bucket and a few fittings if you can't
find the commercial one. Basically you have the intake come in
under the water level and the exhaust to the vacuum just at the
top of the bucket.

Pete C.

Is this it?

http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS...roduct.jsp?pn=
162029

David Peters wrote:

On 04 Mar 2006, Pete C. wrote:

It's a water pre filter for a shop vac. Intended for drywall
dust which also clogs vacuums pretty readily. You should be able
to make one from a 5gal bucket and a few fittings if you can't
find the commercial one. Basically you have the intake come in
under the water level and the exhaust to the vacuum just at the
top of the bucket.

Pete C.

Is this it?

http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS...roduct.jsp?pn=
162029

Um, no, unless that link lost a digit or two. The unit I referenced is
basically a bucket that goes in line between your shop vac and it's
nozzle. The air and dust is brought through water in the bucket so most
of the dust gets trapped in the water instead of clogging the shop vac
filter.

Pete C.

I saw a product at Lowes that was a round disc made of plastic baggy
material with a slightly adhesive back. You mark where the hole goes,
then drill through the plastic, and all the dust collects on the inside
of the plastic thing.

When you're done you just remove the drill, peel the disc off the wall
and toss it.

Unfortunately I can't remember what it's called. You might be able to
find it if you ask someone in the power tools secton about it.

On 3 Mar 2006 13:02:04 -0800, "nhurst" wrote:

Unfortunately I can't remember what it's called.

Envelope. With a bit of masking tape attached. Works better if you
poke the corners inside out first, so as to make it bulge outwards.

On 03 Mar 2006, Andy Dingley wrote:


Unfortunately I can't remember what it's called.

Envelope. With a bit of masking tape attached. Works better if
you poke the corners inside out first, so as to make it bulge
outwards.



Do you make a hole in the envelope so that the masking tape sticks
itself and the envelope to the wall?

Or should the masking tape be double sided to stick to the wall and
the envemope.

But I'm still not clear quite how you use the arrangement. Could you
or someone else give a bit more detail please.

In message , David Peters
writes
On 03 Mar 2006, Andy Dingley wrote:


Unfortunately I can't remember what it's called.

Envelope. With a bit of masking tape attached. Works better if
you poke the corners inside out first, so as to make it bulge
outwards.



Do you make a hole in the envelope so that the masking tape sticks
itself and the envelope to the wall?

Or should the masking tape be double sided to stick to the wall and
the envemope.

But I'm still not clear quite how you use the arrangement. Could you
or someone else give a bit more detail please.

Why, are you so clueless ?


--
geoff

On 04 Mar 2006, raden wrote:

Do you make a hole in the envelope so that the masking tape
sticks itself and the envelope to the wall?

Or should the masking tape be double sided to stick to the wall
and the envemope.

But I'm still not clear quite how you use the arrangement.
Could you or someone else give a bit more detail please.

Why, are you so clueless ?

Heh!

Maybe because I do not see myself as an expert DIYer who knows
everything.

I think I saw the suggestion as clever than it really was. If it
really is as over-simple as it perhaps seems then it's obviously
not going to work for me as I find masonsry dust spreads. Catch
it falling into an envelope? It's not made of large granules, you
know.

Imagine drilling a hole above the skirting board for a phone
socket with this approach. How is this envelope trick going to
work in such a smal space? Please explain.

On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 18:25:12 GMT, David Peters
wrote:

Envelope. With a bit of masking tape attached. Works better if
you poke the corners inside out first, so as to make it bulge
outwards.


Do you make a hole in the envelope so that the masking tape sticks
itself and the envelope to the wall?

Get an envelope. Ideally DL size, with the flap on the top not the end
(typical "A4 folded in 3" commercial envelope - recycle your junkmail
for one).

Poke the two bottom corners in, so the the envelope bulges outwards and
is an inch or two "thick" at the top edge.

Use a few inches masking tape to tape the envelope flap to the wall,
just below the drill hole. Single sided tape, half on the envelope, half
on the wall. Don't press the tape down too hard, or it may lift paint
from the wall.

Drill. Catch the dust in the open and gaping envelope.

Blow or brush gently to knock the dust off the tape's top edge.

Remove envelope, taking care not to rip the wall off with the tape.

"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 18:25:12 GMT, David Peters
wrote:

Envelope. With a bit of masking tape attached. Works better if
you poke the corners inside out first, so as to make it bulge
outwards.


Do you make a hole in the envelope so that the masking tape sticks
itself and the envelope to the wall?

Get an envelope. Ideally DL size, with the flap on the top not the end
(typical "A4 folded in 3" commercial envelope - recycle your junkmail
for one).

Poke the two bottom corners in, so the the envelope bulges outwards and
is an inch or two "thick" at the top edge.

Use a few inches masking tape to tape the envelope flap to the wall,
just below the drill hole. Single sided tape, half on the envelope, half
on the wall. Don't press the tape down too hard, or it may lift paint
from the wall.

Drill. Catch the dust in the open and gaping envelope.

Concur with all of above: just want to mention that the dust 'cascades' over
the masking tape and down into the envelope. The 'few inches' of masking
tape is to catch the dust as it exits the hole in a fan-shape .


Blow or brush gently to knock the dust off the tape's top edge.

Remove envelope, taking care not to rip the wall off with the tape.

In article .com
nhurst wrote:
I saw a product at Lowes that was a round disc made of plastic baggy
material with a slightly adhesive back. You mark where the hole goes,
then drill through the plastic, and all the dust collects on the inside
of the plastic thing.

When you're done you just remove the drill, peel the disc off the wall
and toss it.

Unfortunately I can't remember what it's called. You might be able to
find it if you ask someone in the power tools secton about it.


A colostomy bag?

On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 23:00:16 -0000, Rob Morley
wrote:

In article .com
nhurst wrote:
I saw a product at Lowes that was a round disc made of plastic baggy
material with a slightly adhesive back. You mark where the hole goes,
then drill through the plastic, and all the dust collects on the inside
of the plastic thing.

When you're done you just remove the drill, peel the disc off the wall
and toss it.

Unfortunately I can't remember what it's called. You might be able to
find it if you ask someone in the power tools secton about it.


A colostomy bag?

That's a crap idea.

--
Frank Erskine

On 03 Mar 2006, nhurst wrote:

I saw a product at Lowes that was a round disc made of plastic
baggy material with a slightly adhesive back. You mark where the
hole goes, then drill through the plastic, and all the dust
collects on the inside of the plastic thing.

When you're done you just remove the drill, peel the disc off
the wall and toss it.

Unfortunately I can't remember what it's called. You might be
able to find it if you ask someone in the power tools secton
about it.

Ah, that's what I was thinking of when I mentioned I'd also seen
"little plastic bag gadgets which you stick to the wall and drill
into to catch the dust but these are too expensive".

The message
from David Peters contains these words:

I want to catch the brick & plaster dust when I drill a hole in
the wall at home.

I just hold the dustpan pressed against the wall.

--
Skipweasel
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

Guy King wrote:
The message
from David Peters contains these words:

I want to catch the brick & plaster dust when I drill a hole in
the wall at home.

I just hold the dustpan pressed against the wall.

I just let it drop too the floor and hoover it up after jobs finished.
Never heard so much crap in me life. Tsk!

--

Sir Benjamin Midllethwaite

The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
Guy King wrote:

I want to catch the brick & plaster dust when I drill a hole in
the wall at home.

I just let it drop too the floor and hoover it up after jobs finished.
Never heard so much crap in me life. Tsk!

Managed to stain a new beige carpet with brick dust recently, when I
didn't haven envelope handy. Didn't intend to drop it on the carpet, it
bypassed the dustsheet. However, it left an obvious orangey tinge at
the edge of the carpet, even after Henry had done his best. Dust wasn't
ground in or anything.

David

"Lobster" wrote in message
...
The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
Guy King wrote:

I want to catch the brick & plaster dust when I drill a hole in
the wall at home.

I just let it drop too the floor and hoover it up after jobs finished.
Never heard so much crap in me life. Tsk!

Managed to stain a new beige carpet with brick dust recently, when I
didn't haven envelope handy. Didn't intend to drop it on the carpet, it
bypassed the dustsheet. However, it left an obvious orangey tinge at the
edge of the carpet, even after Henry had done his best. Dust wasn't
ground in or anything.

I know you say envelopes are just as good, but if you;d had a 12 pack in
your toolbox (£1.99 at B&Q) they would have been to hand when you needed
them. It wouldnt matter about dustsheets etc, because the red brick dust
would have been captured as soon as it left the wall.

I suspect from your other post that you think DustBubbles are a waste of
time, but really, compare the cost of DustBubble (they are about 4.5p each
when bought in a trade pack) to your cost of your beige carpet that now has
a stain...

Thanks,

Chris

Chris Styles wrote:
"Lobster" wrote in message
...

Managed to stain a new beige carpet with brick dust recently, when I
didn't haven envelope handy. Didn't intend to drop it on the carpet, it
bypassed the dustsheet. However, it left an obvious orangey tinge at the
edge of the carpet, even after Henry had done his best. Dust wasn't
ground in or anything.

I know you say envelopes are just as good, but if you;d had a 12 pack in
your toolbox (£1.99 at B&Q) they would have been to hand when you needed
them. It wouldnt matter about dustsheets etc, because the red brick dust
would have been captured as soon as it left the wall.

Actually the truth of the matter is that I was sinking an electrical
socket into a wall using an SDS chisel/drill, so the envelope trick (and
I suspect, even the wonderful DustBubble) would not really have cut the
mustard there!

David

On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 18:17:05 +0000 (UTC), "Chris Styles"
wrote:


"Lobster" wrote in message
...
The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
Guy King wrote:

I want to catch the brick & plaster dust when I drill a hole in
the wall at home.

I just let it drop too the floor and hoover it up after jobs finished.
Never heard so much crap in me life. Tsk!

Managed to stain a new beige carpet with brick dust recently, when I
didn't haven envelope handy. Didn't intend to drop it on the carpet, it
bypassed the dustsheet. However, it left an obvious orangey tinge at the
edge of the carpet, even after Henry had done his best. Dust wasn't
ground in or anything.

I know you say envelopes are just as good, but if you;d had a 12 pack in
your toolbox (£1.99 at B&Q) they would have been to hand when you needed
them. It wouldnt matter about dustsheets etc, because the red brick dust
would have been captured as soon as it left the wall.

I suspect from your other post that you think DustBubbles are a waste of
time, but really, compare the cost of DustBubble (they are about 4.5p each
when bought in a trade pack) to your cost of your beige carpet that now has
a stain...

me too some people make more work being clean than the entire job
involves

"David Peters" wrote in message
...
I want to catch the brick & plaster dust when I drill a hole in
the wall at home.

I usually use my ordinary vaccuum cleaner (held by someone else)
to catch the dust as I drill. It works really well. And it
extracts and remaining debris in the drill hole which might
prevent a wall plug going in.


The method that works for me is;-
take an envelope and push - inwards- the two bottom corners
so it bulges to a 'pocket'; use a piece of masking tape (low tack
type is best) to affix the envelope just below the mark for the hole
(and sufficeintly far down so the Bit doesn't catch the tape) - then drill
to
your heart's content. The envelope will catch 99.9(recurring)% of plaster
and brick dust. Work the bit backwards and forwards to clear dust from the
hole.
With practise one can use the masking tape cum envelope for several holes.
Discard - straight into the bin. The technique was demonstrated on one of
the D-I-Y TV programmes.


However the brick & plaster dust block up the vaccuum cleaner's
bag. Yes, it's one of the older vaccuum cleaners with a bag.

Catch the debris _before_ it gets into the vacumn cleaner - envelopes are
cheap!

How can I fix up something which will trap the dust before it gets
to the bag?


Use the envelope

I was thinking of somehow using some filter material: perhaps a
bit of densely woven fabric, or perhaps a square cut fro m an old
vaccuum cleaner bag.

You're thinking too much

--

Brian

A small shop vacuum works. But easiest of all is just putting down
some newspaper on the floor below where you are drilling the hole.

On 03 Mar 2006, wrote:

A small shop vacuum works. But easiest of all is just putting down
some newspaper on the floor below where you are drilling the hole.


If you drill a hole for a picture which is 6 feet above ground level
then the pulverised masonry dust seems to like to travel for a long
way.

On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 21:32:46 UTC, "Brian Sharrock"
wrote:

The method that works for me is;-
take an envelope and push - inwards- the two bottom corners
so it bulges to a 'pocket'; use a piece of masking tape (low tack
type is best) to affix the envelope just below the mark for the hole
(and sufficeintly far down so the Bit doesn't catch the tape) - then drill
to
your heart's content. The envelope will catch 99.9(recurring)% of plaster
and brick dust. Work the bit backwards and forwards to clear dust from the
hole.
With practise one can use the masking tape cum envelope for several holes.

Could probably adapt a large Post-It note - comes with the low tack
adhesive!


--
The information contained in this post is copyright the
poster, and specifically may not be published in, or used by
Avenue Supplies, http://avenuesupplies.co.uk

The envelope will catch 99.9(recurring)% of plaster and brick dust

Sadly not....

As part of our research for the Contamination Control DustBubble Kit we
had quite a bit of particle data generated from different methods of
drilling. The envelope method is remarkably ineffective. Even the CCDB kit
is less than 99.9% effective, but it is still reduces the particle emissions
to 100x lower than the allowed limit for asbestos.

Of course it might be that the envelope method is good enough and so be it.
Some folk still use matchsticks rather than spend a few pennies on an
anchor, and in the same way people will continue to use an envelope instead
of an inexpensive product that does a far better job.

Personally I'm particularly proud of the DustBubble because they are cheap,
take no time to use and work remarkably well. Starting this business has
been a nightmare, but every time I do some drilling at home and use them it
reminds me why I did...

Cheers,

Chris


www.dustbubble.com

On 04 Mar 2006, Chris Styles wrote:

As part of our research for the Contamination Control DustBubble
Kit we had quite a bit of particle data generated from
different methods of drilling. The envelope method is remarkably
ineffective. Even the CCDB kit is less than 99.9% effective, but
it is still reduces the particle emissions to 100x lower than
the allowed limit for asbestos.

Of course it might be that the envelope method is good enough
and so be it. Some folk still use matchsticks rather than spend
a few pennies on an anchor, and in the same way people will
continue to use an envelope instead of an inexpensive product
that does a far better job.

Personally I'm particularly proud of the DustBubble because they
are cheap, take no time to use and work remarkably well.
Starting this business has been a nightmare, but every time I
do some drilling at home and use them it reminds me why I did...


Ah so you are Mr DustBubble! :-)

In the UK DustBubble sells for about £2 for 12.
http://www.aces.uk.com/18/DustBubble/DIYDustBubble/

This is about 16p (or approx 25 US cents) each. Not so economical
really.

Ah so you are Mr DustBubble! :-)

I have been called much worse in my time :-)

In the UK DustBubble sells for about £2 for 12.
http://www.aces.uk.com/18/DustBubble/DIYDustBubble/

This is about 16p (or approx 25 US cents) each. Not so economical
really.

Then again, a 100ml paint sampler is ~£1 and the 5 litre pot is £12, so in
terms of cost/volume it is no different from any other product.

If you take the 500 trade tube, they are about 4.5p each because we can sell
them direct, but going through the chain stores means N00% mark-up which
unfortunately we can not dictate.

The other thing to consider is the convenience that you can drill to put
fittings up and a freshly decorated room without getting red brick dust
stains on your new carpet (as someone here posted they had). In that case,
the cost of the new carpet that might get stained makes £1.99 of DustBubbles
seem insignificant. Other applications were hear a lot about is putting up
shelves near sensitive equipment. £1.99 a small price to pay to not have to
move it all, so often it comes down to convenience.... Also, you don't need
someone to hold the dustpan/vacuum, so it is saves on having to have a
helper around...

Event he most staunch sceptics often soften when they use them, so go ahead,
give me your address and I'll send you some.

Cheers

Chris

Brian Sharrock wrote:

With practise one can use the masking tape cum envelope for several
holes. Discard - straight into the bin. The technique was
demonstrated on one of the D-I-Y TV programmes.

Tommy Walsh if I'm not mistaken?

--
Dave
The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257

David Peters wrote:

However the brick & plaster dust block up the vaccuum cleaner's
bag. Yes, it's one of the older vaccuum cleaners with a bag.

Buy a decent vacuum cleaner. Never mind this 'bagless' cobblers, buy a
Henry and you could drill holes all day without blocking the filter or bag.

--
Dave
The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257

In message , David Peters
writes
I want to catch the brick & plaster dust when I drill a hole in
the wall at home.

I usually use my ordinary vaccuum cleaner (held by someone else)
to catch the dust as I drill. It works really well. And it
extracts and remaining debris in the drill hole which might
prevent a wall plug going in.

However the brick & plaster dust block up the vaccuum cleaner's
bag. Yes, it's one of the older vaccuum cleaners with a bag.

How can I fix up something which will trap the dust before it gets
to the bag?


Double sided sticky tape and an envelope


--
geoff

They are called DustBubbles. We manufacture them here in Hertfordshire (UK),
and they are available in B&Q, and soon to be in Focus and Homebase. They
were in Lowes and Home Depot for a while (but as a 2-man start-up we didn't
have the resources to service the likes of those guys!)

They come in 3 varieties, each one having a different adhesive depending on
the application

- For wallpaper and painted walls (gentle adhesive, will not damage
surface)
- For wood, plaster and untreated surfaces (stronger adhesive, will
stick to bare plaster
- For Tiles (the adhesive is non-slip to stop the drill bit sliding

They might sound like the are a novelty, but they work so well that we sell
a "Contamination Control" kit that has been proven (by the UK Health and
Safety Executive) to be sufficient protection when drilling into walls
containing asbestos. We even have versions that can be used on metal which
are being trialled in the Aerospace and Food preparation industries where
swarf contamination is a genuine disaster.

For more details visit www.dustbubble.com

I have some trial packs that contain 2 of each variety listed above.

If anyone wants to try them out for free, email your postal address to
(remove the nospam) and I'll post a trial pack
to you, and of course would be interested to hear your feedback...

Thanks

Chris




"David Peters" wrote in message
...
I want to catch the brick & plaster dust when I drill a hole in
the wall at home.

I usually use my ordinary vaccuum cleaner (held by someone else)
to catch the dust as I drill. It works really well. And it
extracts and remaining debris in the drill hole which might
prevent a wall plug going in.

However the brick & plaster dust block up the vaccuum cleaner's
bag. Yes, it's one of the older vaccuum cleaners with a bag.

How can I fix up something which will trap the dust before it gets
to the bag?

I was thinking of somehow using some filter material: perhaps a
bit of densely woven fabric, or perhaps a square cut fro m an old
vaccuum cleaner bag. Any other ideas of what material to use?

How would this best be secured? Do you think the best arrangement
is to simply trap a piece of this filter material between the
nozzle attachment and the vaccuum cleaner pipe?

Maybe there is something economical I can buy here in the UK to
attach to the vaccuum cleaner to do this job. This Drill Mate
product looks a bit elaborate for infrequent home use and I can't
think it would trap enough of the dust. Does anyone have any
experiences with it? http://www.mustget1.com/pages/drillmate.html

Any other ideas onhow to trap the masonry dust?

Maybe it is possible to somehow wet the brick with water to
control the dust? Or something else? Use a handheld water mister
spray on the drill bit while drilling?




David

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PS: In the past I used a "ceiling cup" on the drill bit but it
was not as effective as I would have liked.

I've also seen little plastic bag gadgets which you stick to the
wall and drill into to catch the dust but these are too expensive.

Chris Styles wrote:
They are called DustBubbles. We manufacture them here in Hertfordshire (UK),
snip spam which I'd have forgiven you for as it was on topic but fir
the fact that you posted it 17 times

For more details visit www.dustbubble.com

....or alternatively, visit www.oldenvelope-and-a-bit-of-masking-tape.com

David

"Lobster" wrote in message
...
Chris Styles wrote:
They are called DustBubbles. We manufacture them here in Hertfordshire
(UK),
snip spam which I'd have forgiven you for as it was on topic but fir the
fact that you posted it 17 times

Sorry about the multiple posting... I've been having some Outlook Express
problems... it want intentional I can assure you.

For more details visit www.dustbubble.com

...or alternatively, visit www.oldenvelope-and-a-bit-of-masking-tape.com

That method is fine, just not very effective. People will continue to use
matchsticks instead of spending a few pennies on anchors and claim that they
work just as well, and this is the same.

However, if you or someone in your house have allergies, or if you are going
to be doing a lot of drilling, or if you are drilling where the substrate
might be harmful, then you might want to do the job properly, and that's
where DustBubbles come in....

Cheers,

Chris

Chris Styles wrote:

...or alternatively, visit www.oldenvelope-and-a-bit-of-masking-tape.com


That method is fine, just not very effective. People will continue to use
matchsticks instead of spending a few pennies on anchors and claim that they
work just as well, and this is the same.

However, if you or someone in your house have allergies, or if you are going
to be doing a lot of drilling, or if you are drilling where the substrate
might be harmful, then you might want to do the job properly, and that's
where DustBubbles come in....

To be fair, I think we are dealing with two different problems he

At the simplest level of just catching the heavy dirty dust generated
when drilling brick or blockwork, then the envelope will deal with most
of the *visible* dust that would otherwise fall on your carpet, and
hence can in many cases be declared adequate.

However when you start trying to catch *all* of the dust produced,
including the very fine particulate dust that is emitted into the *air*
from the drilling site (and later settles out all over the place), then
you are into a whole new ball game. Even with vacuum collection some of
this sub micron stuff will be sucked straight through any filters and
returned to the air again. In these cases, containing the dust at the
production site is going to be more effective. This is obviously
important where the fine dust can not be tolerated either due to its
harmful nature, or its ability to contaminate.

--
Cheers,

John.

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On 04 Mar 2006, John Rumm wrote:

To be fair, I think we are dealing with two different problems
he

At the simplest level of just catching the heavy dirty dust
generated when drilling brick or blockwork, then the envelope
will deal with most of the *visible* dust that would otherwise
fall on your carpet, and hence can in many cases be declared
adequate.

However when you start trying to catch *all* of the dust
produced, including the very fine particulate dust that is
emitted into the *air* from the drilling site (and later settles
out all over the place), then you are into a whole new ball
game.


John, I think you're one of the few people in this thread to
appreciate that this ultra fine dust is exactly what I, as OP, am
having problems with.


Even with vacuum collection some of this sub micron stuff
will be sucked straight through any filters and returned to the
air again. In these cases, containing the dust at the production
site is going to be more effective. This is obviously important
where the fine dust can not be tolerated either due to its
harmful nature, or its ability to contaminate.


From all the suggestions I find that the best way (and it's not
great) is where I use a small square of filter-bag material in
between the hose and attachment of a domestic vaccuum cleaner.

All the dust gets drawn in including the fine stuff. The really and
truly fine stuff passes thru the filter material (as a second square
will show) but *hopefully* it gets trapped by the actual dust in the
main vaccuum cleaner bag or by walls of the main bag.

What's left topass thru the bag and then thru the vaccuum's exhaust
filter isn't worth worrying about. The main issue here may be how
fast the main bag gets clogged to the point of being useless.

I guess a Dyson-style vaccuum centrifugal cleaner + HEPA filters
would be better at trapping the dust. (Is this correct?) ANd I was
asking in another group if an el-cheapo £30 Bush DD2227B bagless
Cylinder Bagless from Tesco is any good as I could devote it to this
task. See http://snipurl.com/n6h1

"The Bush DD2227B Cylinder Bagless is a 1200W
cyclonic cylinder cleaner. High level of
filtration. 1.5 litre dust capacity."