I've decided that I have lived with my tongue and grooved bathroom
walls for long enough and am getting rid of them but firstly I want to
dispose of the aluminium frame/fibre panelled false ceiling and
replace it with a plasterboard ceiling with recessed lighting .

I have been searching for a posting that I saw a while back in which
some had sought advice about the size of supports to use for a similar
job but I cannot see it in Google Groups. I seem to remember him
saying he was going to fix 50mm x 50mm timber all round the perimiter
and then use 75mm x 50mm notched so that it hung on the 50mm x 50mm (
presumably secured by screws on top) ...at intervals suited to the
size of board used . Does this sound an O.K. proposition ..

My ceiling is approx 1.4m across and there is about 60cm above to the
"real " ceiling so there is plenty of room with regard to the LV
downlighters that will be fitted .

I'll likely be doing this myself so I'll be using small sized p/board
( screwed then taped/joined ) for ease of lifting


Any suggestions appreciated .

Stuart





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Stuart wrote:
I've decided that I have lived with my tongue and grooved bathroom
walls for long enough and am getting rid of them but firstly I want to
dispose of the aluminium frame/fibre panelled false ceiling and
replace it with a plasterboard ceiling with recessed lighting .

I have been searching for a posting that I saw a while back in which
some had sought advice about the size of supports to use for a similar
job but I cannot see it in Google Groups.

Think this is the thread you mean (as I remember contributing!):
http://tinyurl.com/dcnrz
or
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.d-i-y/browse_frm/thread/ba171cd25dd23363/c3a7ea35438108a5?hl=en#c3a7ea35438108a5

David

Stuart wrote:
I've decided that I have lived with my tongue and grooved bathroom
walls for long enough and am getting rid of them but firstly I want to
dispose of the aluminium frame/fibre panelled false ceiling and
replace it with a plasterboard ceiling with recessed lighting .

I have been searching for a posting that I saw a while back in which
some had sought advice about the size of supports to use for a similar
job but I cannot see it in Google Groups. I seem to remember him
saying he was going to fix 50mm x 50mm timber all round the perimiter
and then use 75mm x 50mm notched so that it hung on the 50mm x 50mm (
presumably secured by screws on top) ...at intervals suited to the
size of board used . Does this sound an O.K. proposition ..

I did a similar job earlier this job on my open-plan kitchen / dining
room (5m x 4m in total) and used 3x2 for the perimeter and joists. The
perimeter was mounted using sleeve anchors and the joists with 'speedy
hangars'. That, with all the noggins, 6x3 taped plasterboard and a skim
coat have produced a solid, good looking, ceiling.

It sounds like you've got the plan in your head anyway, but if it's of
any interest I have a few pictures of mine (pre-tape and skim) at:

http://www.newtonnet.co.uk/house/20050305/

Mathew

On 25 Dec 2005 11:45:27 -0800, "Mathew Newton"
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Stuart wrote:
I've decided that I have lived with my tongue and grooved bathroom
walls for long enough and am getting rid of them but firstly I want to
dispose of the aluminium frame/fibre panelled false ceiling and
replace it with a plasterboard ceiling with recessed lighting .

I have been searching for a posting that I saw a while back in which
some had sought advice about the size of supports to use for a similar
job but I cannot see it in Google Groups. I seem to remember him
saying he was going to fix 50mm x 50mm timber all round the perimiter
and then use 75mm x 50mm notched so that it hung on the 50mm x 50mm (
presumably secured by screws on top) ...at intervals suited to the
size of board used . Does this sound an O.K. proposition ..

I did a similar job earlier this job on my open-plan kitchen / dining
room (5m x 4m in total) and used 3x2 for the perimeter and joists. The
perimeter was mounted using sleeve anchors and the joists with 'speedy
hangars'. That, with all the noggins, 6x3 taped plasterboard and a skim
coat have produced a solid, good looking, ceiling.

It sounds like you've got the plan in your head anyway, but if it's of
any interest I have a few pictures of mine (pre-tape and skim) at:

http://www.newtonnet.co.uk/house/20050305/

Mathew


Thx Mathew....Thankfully my job is a bit smaller than yours seems to
be but I get the idea ....looks good


Stuart




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Stuart wrote:
I've decided that I have lived with my tongue and grooved bathroom
walls for long enough and am getting rid of them but firstly I want to
dispose of the aluminium frame/fibre panelled false ceiling and
replace it with a plasterboard ceiling with recessed lighting .

I have been searching for a posting that I saw a while back in which
some had sought advice about the size of supports to use for a similar
job but I cannot see it in Google Groups. I seem to remember him
saying he was going to fix 50mm x 50mm timber all round the perimiter
and then use 75mm x 50mm notched so that it hung on the 50mm x 50mm (
presumably secured by screws on top) ...at intervals suited to the
size of board used . Does this sound an O.K. proposition ..

My ceiling is approx 1.4m across and there is about 60cm above to the
"real " ceiling so there is plenty of room with regard to the LV
downlighters that will be fitted .

I'll likely be doing this myself so I'll be using small sized p/board
( screwed then taped/joined ) for ease of lifting


Any suggestions appreciated .

Stuart

Why dont you attach the PB to the already existing ceiling and frame?
Would sure save some work.

NT

On 26 Dec 2005 05:36:14 -0800, wrote:

Stuart wrote:
I've decided that I have lived with my tongue and grooved bathroom
walls for long enough and am getting rid of them but firstly I want to
dispose of the aluminium frame/fibre panelled false ceiling and
replace it with a plasterboard ceiling with recessed lighting .

I have been searching for a posting that I saw a while back in which
some had sought advice about the size of supports to use for a similar
job but I cannot see it in Google Groups. I seem to remember him
saying he was going to fix 50mm x 50mm timber all round the perimiter
and then use 75mm x 50mm notched so that it hung on the 50mm x 50mm (
presumably secured by screws on top) ...at intervals suited to the
size of board used . Does this sound an O.K. proposition ..

My ceiling is approx 1.4m across and there is about 60cm above to the
"real " ceiling so there is plenty of room with regard to the LV
downlighters that will be fitted .

I'll likely be doing this myself so I'll be using small sized p/board
( screwed then taped/joined ) for ease of lifting


Any suggestions appreciated .

Stuart

Why dont you attach the PB to the already existing ceiling and frame?
Would sure save some work.

NT

Because it is a loose fitting aluminium frame with fibre panles like
you see in offices ....

Stuart




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On 26 Dec 2005 05:36:14 -0800, wrote:

Stuart wrote:
I've decided that I have lived with my tongue and grooved bathroom
walls for long enough and am getting rid of them but firstly I want to
dispose of the aluminium frame/fibre panelled false ceiling and
replace it with a plasterboard ceiling with recessed lighting .

I have been searching for a posting that I saw a while back in which
some had sought advice about the size of supports to use for a similar
job but I cannot see it in Google Groups. I seem to remember him
saying he was going to fix 50mm x 50mm timber all round the perimiter
and then use 75mm x 50mm notched so that it hung on the 50mm x 50mm (
presumably secured by screws on top) ...at intervals suited to the
size of board used . Does this sound an O.K. proposition ..

My ceiling is approx 1.4m across and there is about 60cm above to the
"real " ceiling so there is plenty of room with regard to the LV
downlighters that will be fitted .

I'll likely be doing this myself so I'll be using small sized p/board
( screwed then taped/joined ) for ease of lifting


Any suggestions appreciated .

Stuart

Why dont you attach the PB to the already existing ceiling and frame?
Would sure save some work.

NT

Because it is a loose fitting aluminium frame with fibre panles like
you see in offices ....

Stuart

I dont see that being a problem. It should be strong enough as is, and
if not, adding a support or 2 can stiffen it right up. You can screw
into either the fibre panels or the metal frame using nice and sharp PB
screws, when you screw into the panels this will make them no longer
loose, it will clamp everything into place. I would want to mainly
screw into the frame though for max rigidity, just like you do with a
wood frame. AFAICS it should all work fine, and save a lot of work. And
materials.


NT

On 26 Dec 2005 22:57:07 -0800, wrote:

Stuart wrote:
On 26 Dec 2005 05:36:14 -0800, wrote:

Stuart wrote:
I've decided that I have lived with my tongue and grooved bathroom
walls for long enough and am getting rid of them but firstly I want to
dispose of the aluminium frame/fibre panelled false ceiling and
replace it with a plasterboard ceiling with recessed lighting .

I have been searching for a posting that I saw a while back in which
some had sought advice about the size of supports to use for a similar
job but I cannot see it in Google Groups. I seem to remember him
saying he was going to fix 50mm x 50mm timber all round the perimiter
and then use 75mm x 50mm notched so that it hung on the 50mm x 50mm (
presumably secured by screws on top) ...at intervals suited to the
size of board used . Does this sound an O.K. proposition ..

My ceiling is approx 1.4m across and there is about 60cm above to the
"real " ceiling so there is plenty of room with regard to the LV
downlighters that will be fitted .

I'll likely be doing this myself so I'll be using small sized p/board
( screwed then taped/joined ) for ease of lifting


Any suggestions appreciated .

Stuart

Why dont you attach the PB to the already existing ceiling and frame?
Would sure save some work.

NT

Because it is a loose fitting aluminium frame with fibre panles like
you see in offices ....

Stuart

I dont see that being a problem. It should be strong enough as is, and
if not, adding a support or 2 can stiffen it right up. You can screw
into either the fibre panels or the metal frame using nice and sharp PB
screws, when you screw into the panels this will make them no longer
loose, it will clamp everything into place. I would want to mainly
screw into the frame though for max rigidity, just like you do with a
wood frame. AFAICS it should all work fine, and save a lot of work. And
materials.


NT

With respect I do not think you appreciate what sort of frame this is
..nor what the panels are like .The frame is Only secured to the walls
round the sides.The Cross pieces simply rest on these parts and then
other lengths sit at right angles and the panels which are very
lightweight fibre sit on top.

Believe me,if you could see it you wouldnt suggest this ..lol




Stuart




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