I'm trying to fix down a new WC pan to a wooden floor.

Normally, one would screw straight down (or at a slight angle with
long screws) into the floorboards to hold the thing steady.

However, the design of this one is such that I can only get a screw in
horzintally (ie parallel to the floor) since the holes are in the
sides of the pan.

It came with no special fixing kit and I've managed to get the bidet
fixed by making a wooden bracket but cannot do the same with the WC
pan due to the bend itself.

Is there a kit I can buy or any other tips you have for getting this
damn thing to fix. I'm at my wits end with it.

Natually, I have tried silicon round the base but this is not ideal.

Thanks.
Rob

In article ,
says...
I'm trying to fix down a new WC pan to a wooden floor.

Normally, one would screw straight down (or at a slight angle with
long screws) into the floorboards to hold the thing steady.

However, the design of this one is such that I can only get a screw in
horzintally (ie parallel to the floor) since the holes are in the
sides of the pan.

Any chance of some pictures?

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:10:06 -0000, Rob Morley
wrote:

In article ,
says...
I'm trying to fix down a new WC pan to a wooden floor.

Normally, one would screw straight down (or at a slight angle with
long screws) into the floorboards to hold the thing steady.

However, the design of this one is such that I can only get a screw in
horzintally (ie parallel to the floor) since the holes are in the
sides of the pan.

Any chance of some pictures?

I don't have a camera handy, but if you go here
http://www.plumbworld.co.uk/1630-13305

You will see a standard toilet pan which can be screwed *down* the
floor. It is an Ideal but mine is Lecico (who have no suggestions,
nicely).

The one I have is like this
http://www.plumbworld.co.uk/1630-13292
which has holes which can only be screwed into horizontally.

Common sense would suggest a block of wood screwed to the floor then
screw into that, but for the WC pan the u-bend is in the way, so no
joy.

If I could, I would take the thing and sling it in a skip. Classic
form over function. Designed to look nice and yet rubbish to work
with. Like modern cars and god knows what else.

Hehe! Rant, Rant!

Any suggestions?
Rob

In article ,
Kalico wrote:
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:10:06 -0000, Rob Morley
wrote:

In article ,
says...
I'm trying to fix down a new WC pan to a wooden floor.

Normally, one would screw straight down (or at a slight angle with
long screws) into the floorboards to hold the thing steady.

However, the design of this one is such that I can only get a screw in
horzintally (ie parallel to the floor) since the holes are in the
sides of the pan.

Any chance of some pictures?

I don't have a camera handy, but if you go here
http://www.plumbworld.co.uk/1630-13305

You will see a standard toilet pan which can be screwed *down* the
floor. It is an Ideal but mine is Lecico (who have no suggestions,
nicely).

Mines like that. IT came with a pair of screws to screw vertically down
into the floor, then another couple of bolts to screw into the 2 in
the floor.

I haven't installed them... yet.

The cistern is supposed to be bolted to the wall too - it's a close
coupled thing. My fear is that if I bolt everythign together then the
bit the cistern sits on (and is bolted to) might just crack one day...

(At least thats what I'm telling swimbo!!!)

Gordon

"Kalico" wrote in message
...
I'm trying to fix down a new WC pan to a wooden floor.

Normally, one would screw straight down (or at a slight angle with
long screws) into the floorboards to hold the thing steady.

However, the design of this one is such that I can only get a screw in
horzintally (ie parallel to the floor) since the holes are in the
sides of the pan.

It came with no special fixing kit and I've managed to get the bidet
fixed by making a wooden bracket but cannot do the same with the WC
pan due to the bend itself.

Is there a kit I can buy or any other tips you have for getting this
damn thing to fix. I'm at my wits end with it.

Natually, I have tried silicon round the base but this is not ideal.

Thanks.
Rob

Mine came with a steel bracket (U shaped) the legs of the U being approx 2
ins high having loose captive nuts towards the top to take special machine
screws which are screwed in through the horisontal holes in the toilet pan.
The bottom of the U was the same width as the internal dimenson between the
horisontal holes in the pan.
The steel bracket is screwed down to the wooden floor according to the
instuctions and template that came with it. I can copy the instuctions which
has a picture of bracket and email it to you if it helps.
Regards
Don

Kalico wrote:
I'm trying to fix down a new WC pan to a wooden floor.

Normally, one would screw straight down (or at a slight angle with
long screws) into the floorboards to hold the thing steady.

However, the design of this one is such that I can only get a screw in
horzintally (ie parallel to the floor) since the holes are in the
sides of the pan.

It came with no special fixing kit and I've managed to get the bidet
fixed by making a wooden bracket but cannot do the same with the WC
pan due to the bend itself.

Is there a kit I can buy or any other tips you have for getting this
damn thing to fix. I'm at my wits end with it.

Natually, I have tried silicon round the base but this is not ideal.

Thanks.
Rob


Howzabout a couple of blocks of wood screwed to the floor so that you
can then screw horizontally into them?

Dave

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:40:30 +0000, Kalico wrote:

I'm trying to fix down a new WC pan to a wooden floor.

Normally, one would screw straight down (or at a slight angle with
long screws) into the floorboards to hold the thing steady.

However, the design of this one is such that I can only get a screw in
horzintally (ie parallel to the floor) since the holes are in the
sides of the pan.

It came with no special fixing kit and I've managed to get the bidet
fixed by making a wooden bracket but cannot do the same with the WC
pan due to the bend itself.

Is there a kit I can buy or any other tips you have for getting this
damn thing to fix. I'm at my wits end with it.

Natually, I have tried silicon round the base but this is not ideal.

Is the base hollow? If so, you could fit a block of wood to the floor
then secure the pan to the wood with the "horizontal" screws.

Just a thought.

--
Frank Erskine

Kalico wrote:
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:10:06 -0000, Rob Morley
wrote:

In article ,
says...
I'm trying to fix down a new WC pan to a wooden floor.

Normally, one would screw straight down (or at a slight angle with
long screws) into the floorboards to hold the thing steady.

However, the design of this one is such that I can only get a screw in
horzintally (ie parallel to the floor) since the holes are in the
sides of the pan.

Any chance of some pictures?

I don't have a camera handy, but if you go here
http://www.plumbworld.co.uk/1630-13305

You will see a standard toilet pan which can be screwed *down* the
floor. It is an Ideal but mine is Lecico (who have no suggestions,
nicely).

The one I have is like this
http://www.plumbworld.co.uk/1630-13292
which has holes which can only be screwed into horizontally.

Common sense would suggest a block of wood screwed to the floor then
screw into that, but for the WC pan the u-bend is in the way, so no
joy.

If I could, I would take the thing and sling it in a skip. Classic
form over function. Designed to look nice and yet rubbish to work
with. Like modern cars and god knows what else.

Hehe! Rant, Rant!

Any suggestions?
Rob

Almost certainly there should be a bracket(s) with it - you need to
phone your supplier...

Frank Erskine wrote:
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:40:30 +0000, Kalico wrote:

I'm trying to fix down a new WC pan to a wooden floor.

Normally, one would screw straight down (or at a slight angle with
long screws) into the floorboards to hold the thing steady.

However, the design of this one is such that I can only get a screw in
horzintally (ie parallel to the floor) since the holes are in the
sides of the pan.

It came with no special fixing kit and I've managed to get the bidet
fixed by making a wooden bracket but cannot do the same with the WC
pan due to the bend itself.

Is there a kit I can buy or any other tips you have for getting this
damn thing to fix. I'm at my wits end with it.

Natually, I have tried silicon round the base but this is not ideal.

Is the base hollow? If so, you could fit a block of wood to the floor
then secure the pan to the wood with the "horizontal" screws.

Just a thought.

He did only say it twice so I suppose we can forgive you. There's no
room for the wood.

MBQ

However, the design of this one is such that I can only get a screw in
horzintally (ie parallel to the floor) since the holes are in the
sides of the pan.

Mine came with floor mounted brackets for the horizontal screws to go into.
Sounds like you are missing them.

Christian.

In article ,
says...
snip
The one I have is like this
http://www.plumbworld.co.uk/1630-13292
which has holes which can only be screwed into horizontally.

Common sense would suggest a block of wood screwed to the floor then
screw into that, but for the WC pan the u-bend is in the way, so no
joy.

I thought that was what you meant, but I wasn't sure.

Fix screw eyes into the floor, ram a bit of dowel through the eyes and
screw into that. If there isn't room for that you'll need a couple of
steel angle brackets with some sort of captive nut arrangement. In
either case silicone would be a worthwhile addition.

Kalico Wrote:
I'm trying to fix down a new WC pan to a wooden floor.

Normally, one would screw straight down (or at a slight angle with
long screws) into the floorboards to hold the thing steady.

However, the design of this one is such that I can only get a screw in
horzintally (ie parallel to the floor) since the holes are in the
sides of the pan.

It came with no special fixing kit and I've managed to get the bidet
fixed by making a wooden bracket but cannot do the same with the WC
pan due to the bend itself.

Is there a kit I can buy or any other tips you have for getting this
damn thing to fix. I'm at my wits end with it.

Natually, I have tried silicon round the base but this is not ideal.

Thanks.
Rob

Your definately missing a few bits, and I mean that in the nicest way.


--
Nick H

Kalico wrote:

The one I have is like this
http://www.plumbworld.co.uk/1630-13292
which has holes which can only be screwed into horizontally.

It should have come with some plastic right angle brackets. You screw
these to the floor first, and then fix through the side of the pan into
the brackets.

Talk to the supplier if they are missing.


--
Cheers,

John.

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"Nick H" wrote in
message . ..

Kalico Wrote:
I'm trying to fix down a new WC pan to a wooden floor.

Normally, one would screw straight down (or at a slight angle with
long screws) into the floorboards to hold the thing steady.

However, the design of this one is such that I can only get a
screw in
horzintally (ie parallel to the floor) since the holes are in the
sides of the pan.

It came with no special fixing kit and I've managed to get the
bidet
fixed by making a wooden bracket but cannot do the same with the
WC
pan due to the bend itself.

Is there a kit I can buy or any other tips you have for getting
this
damn thing to fix. I'm at my wits end with it.

Natually, I have tried silicon round the base but this is not
ideal.

Thanks.
Rob

Your definately missing a few bits, and I mean that in the nicest
way.


--
Nick H

Cut a piece of wood to fit inside the plinth of the loo, fix it to the
floor and screw into that.

AWEM

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:41:44 +0000, Mark S. wrote:

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:01:53 -0000, "Christian McArdle"
wrote:

However, the design of this one is such that I can only get a screw in
horzintally (ie parallel to the floor) since the holes are in the
sides of the pan.

Mine came with floor mounted brackets for the horizontal screws to go into.
Sounds like you are missing them.

Christian.



Mine came with two screws with a bit stuck on top to screw into - must
have moved them about 10 times when trying to fit the pan. :-(

Mark S.

Oh epoxy the bloody thing to the floor, or use car body filler.

When was the last time you wanted to remove a toilet to sell on or use
somewhere else?

When was the last time you removed a toilet to refloor and needed it intact
to put back?

When was the last time you don't redo the floor when you replaced a toilet.

All this emphaisis on screws and undoable fixings!

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:41:44 +0000, Mark S. wrote:

Oh epoxy the bloody thing to the floor, or use car body filler.

When was the last time you wanted to remove a toilet to sell on or use
somewhere else?
Never

When was the last time you removed a toilet to refloor and needed it
intact
to put back?

2 Months ago but only to gain access to the back of a vanity unit.

When was the last time you don't redo the floor when you replaced a
toilet.
Never.

All this emphaisis on screws and undoable fixings!

Well!!!!!, The fellow seems to have been sold a pan without the appropriate
bits to fix it,
mind you, despite all the advice he received he hasn't come back to us with
the sequel to
the minor drama,
maybe he found the extra bits in the bottom of the box unless he threw them
away of course. :-(
Regards
Don

On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:52:46 -0000, "Don" popple @diddle .dot wrote:
[snip]

Well!!!!!, The fellow seems to have been sold a pan without the appropriate
bits to fix it,
mind you, despite all the advice he received he hasn't come back to us with
the sequel to
the minor drama,
maybe he found the extra bits in the bottom of the box unless he threw them
away of course. :-(
Regards
Don


Hi Don and everyone else.

First, thanks for all your help and suggestions. I have been away
from the PC so couldn't get online to let you know what has happened.

It turns out that there is a thing called a Fischer fixing kit which
is just the job. Two angled plastic brackets that screw into the
floor then can be screwed into with the supplied bolts/screws. Some
manufacturers call them S-fixing kits but either way there is a
dedicated solution.

My call the to the local supplier who sold me the toilet (and the
bloody bidet) proved fruitless. They said they called the
manufacturer who said that you screw a piece of wood to the floor then
fix to that.

Call me sceptical, but I called the manufacturer myself and spoke to a
really helpful girl who transferred a fixing kit from her desk drawer
to a Jiffy bag with my address on it as we spoke. Hoorary!

Now my only decision is whether to go back to our merchant and kick up
a big fuss about spending the best part of a day tearing my hair out
with the pan and being fobbed off with bad knowledge and
misinformation. Not sure about that since its only a small town here
and things could come back to bite me when I next need help, but I am
really ****ed off about wasting the time.

Thanks again though. Make sure you ask for the kit if you ever order
one of these style of pans.

Rob

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 01:20:14 +0000, Kalico wrote:



Hi Don and everyone else.

First, thanks for all your help and suggestions. I have been away
from the PC so couldn't get online to let you know what has happened.

It turns out that there is a thing called a Fischer fixing kit which
is just the job. Two angled plastic brackets that screw into the
floor then can be screwed into with the supplied bolts/screws. Some
manufacturers call them S-fixing kits but either way there is a
dedicated solution.

My call the to the local supplier who sold me the toilet (and the
bloody bidet) proved fruitless. They said they called the
manufacturer who said that you screw a piece of wood to the floor then
fix to that.

Call me sceptical, but I called the manufacturer myself and spoke to a
really helpful girl who transferred a fixing kit from her desk drawer
to a Jiffy bag with my address on it as we spoke. Hoorary!

Good outcome. I've always found that I've had good service from
plumbing and heating manufacturers, often with small pieces being sent
free of charge.

On my positive list for doing this a

- Mira
- Aqualisa
- Grundfos
- Honeywell
- Ideal
- Stuart Turner



Now my only decision is whether to go back to our merchant and kick up
a big fuss about spending the best part of a day tearing my hair out
with the pan and being fobbed off with bad knowledge and
misinformation. Not sure about that since its only a small town here
and things could come back to bite me when I next need help, but I am
really ****ed off about wasting the time.

I really hate bad service, and if it involves laziness or lying on the
part of the supplier especially if time is wasted, then I do look for
something to be done.

In the case of faulty goods, I will remind and pursue the supplier
because the contract is with them, and typically I will look for some
form of recompense as well.

However, this is more of a "bits missing, can't be bothered, fob him
off with a story" scenario. I think that you have to pick your
battles. With this one, I think I'd identify the manager and explain
what happened. Ask him to give you a part refund on what you paid.
If that comes back in the form of an agreed better price on a future
purchase then that may be a sensible solution. You could escalate it
if you feel particularly agrieved, but also have to think about return
on investment of additional time.


--

..andy

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:47:55 +0000, Andy Hall
wrote:

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 01:20:14 +0000, Kalico wrote:



Hi Don and everyone else.

First, thanks for all your help and suggestions. I have been away
from the PC so couldn't get online to let you know what has happened.

It turns out that there is a thing called a Fischer fixing kit which
is just the job. Two angled plastic brackets that screw into the
floor then can be screwed into with the supplied bolts/screws. Some
manufacturers call them S-fixing kits but either way there is a
dedicated solution.

My call the to the local supplier who sold me the toilet (and the
bloody bidet) proved fruitless. They said they called the
manufacturer who said that you screw a piece of wood to the floor then
fix to that.

Call me sceptical, but I called the manufacturer myself and spoke to a
really helpful girl who transferred a fixing kit from her desk drawer
to a Jiffy bag with my address on it as we spoke. Hoorary!

Good outcome. I've always found that I've had good service from
plumbing and heating manufacturers, often with small pieces being sent
free of charge.

On my positive list for doing this a

- Mira
- Aqualisa
- Grundfos
- Honeywell
- Ideal
- Stuart Turner



Now my only decision is whether to go back to our merchant and kick up
a big fuss about spending the best part of a day tearing my hair out
with the pan and being fobbed off with bad knowledge and
misinformation. Not sure about that since its only a small town here
and things could come back to bite me when I next need help, but I am
really ****ed off about wasting the time.

I really hate bad service, and if it involves laziness or lying on the
part of the supplier especially if time is wasted, then I do look for
something to be done.

In the case of faulty goods, I will remind and pursue the supplier
because the contract is with them, and typically I will look for some
form of recompense as well.

However, this is more of a "bits missing, can't be bothered, fob him
off with a story" scenario. I think that you have to pick your
battles. With this one, I think I'd identify the manager and explain
what happened. Ask him to give you a part refund on what you paid.
If that comes back in the form of an agreed better price on a future
purchase then that may be a sensible solution. You could escalate it
if you feel particularly agrieved, but also have to think about return
on investment of additional time.

Some good points there. Thanks for that.

Rob