On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:41:00 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


Goggle Top Gear and Survey and it's all there and then you can stop making a
prat of yourself.

The same Top Gear that mentioned that all the "stars" bought a Prius
to do their bit for the environment.....and then bought a proper car
to actually use.


--

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:09:37 +0100, "Holly, in France"
wrote:

andy hall wrote:
I have visited the Axminster Power Tools show for several years, both
when it was at Shepton Mallett and now at Westpoint near Exeter.

huge snips.....

- Interesting power tool. Arbortech are known for making a range of
rather lethal looking tools for doing large wood carving. They are
Australian, and like most things Australian, subtle is not an
adjective that is used a lot. However, they make an interesting
product called an AS160. www.allsaw.com
This is a saw with two opposing blades for cutting brickwork etc. Its
advantage is that it makes coarse dust which just drops down. So for
chasing and mortar raking it would be attractive to use. This is not
something likely to end up as a DIY or even trade tool in most cases -
price tag is £700. However, according to the makers, they are
starting to enter the tool rental trade. For a few tens of UKL per
day, to avoid mess they could be interesting.

Interesting one for us, this, thanks Andy. Just had a look at the
website. It does look expensive at 700GBP, and it's hard to tell from
the pictures (system here is too slow for videos etc), but it doesn't
look very robust for regular(ish) professional use. And it would need to
be for that price. We could make quite alot of use of something like
that instead of an angle grinder and the price would be OK if it was
going to last. Also what about life/replacement of blades? I've emailed
them for more details/stockists, but having seen the thing have you any
more thoughts on this please?

Grunff may venture an opinion as well, since we also saw it. Mine
was that it appeared to be about as sturdy as an angle grinder -
didn't seem flimsy.

The package price included "£200-worth of blades". We didn't enquire
as to what that meant, and how many it was. It may have been a
marketing ploy that the normal list price would be this, but street
price for the blades less - we didn't check.

The other concern is that they are a proprietary blade.

However, the guy demonstrating it said that he wasn't expecting to
sell any at the show, more that they wanted to stimulate demand via
the rental places.

I'd rent one first and form an opinion before considering buying.
Certainly it did do the claimed thing of cutting (e.g. breeze block)
without shooting clouds of fine dust everywhere.



--

..andy

In article ,
Andy Dingley wrote:
As to the French, then they're just making really rubbish small cars
these days, and have done since the abysmal Citroen AX.

I was put off the AX before I even saw one live by an Open University CAD
programme that showed the AX being 'designed'. The basic shape was produced to
look good with no reference to aerodynamics, the equipment that had to fit on,
around, and inside it - nor the people that had to fit in it. I did later sit
in one just to confirm that the French really were as stupid as the programme
suggested.

--
John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822
Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com
Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing

"Matt" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:41:00 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:

Goggle Top Gear and Survey and it's all there and then you can stop
making a
prat of yourself.

The same Top Gear that mentioned that all the "stars" bought a Prius
to do their bit for the environment.....and then bought a proper car
to actually use.

Prat Clarkson said that becasue it is not a Ferrari. Note: all the stars
have them, inc me.

"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:01:38 +0000, Chris Bacon
wrote:

I'm not saying that I prefer Skoda *or* BMW cars, incidentally.

Who is ever going to be choosing _between_ a Skoda and a BMW anyway ?
(Now if we were talking _Tatras_...)

What is clear though is that Skoda used to make unfashionable
rear-engined cars with the charm of a tractor, the simple reliability of
a wheelbarrow and an enviable record of success in the RAC Rally for
years. You might not _like_ the things, but you'll not meet a rally
driver who laughs at Skodas - they've been beaten by too many of them.

The rear engined Skodas were very reliable and strong with an all aluminium
engine and the rad up front. The British auto press decided to kill it at
birth as the car was buttons to buy and service and would wipe out the lower
end of the British auto market. So how do you kill something that is good
and works well? You character assassinate, and that did in abundance. I
drove the Estelle I think, the one with all the trim. It was nippy and very
quiet as the engine was in the rear. The steering was very light too. I
was quite impressed thinking it would be like a tractor. Far from it. I
know one guy who bought one for one downmanship reasons. Some people
wouldn't even get in it the stigma created by the press was so strong.

These days the make things that are like small Volkswagens or "family
cars". As boring as a semi in Milton Keynes, but they do the job and the
factory is clearly good at making them. As an engineer I'm still tempted
to move the the Czech Republic - a country that still has some respect
for maunfacturing, engineering and "doing it right".

As to the French, then they're just making really rubbish small cars
these days, and have done since the abysmal Citroen AX. Even my
_parents_ (who have no taste in anything) finally realised their ZX was
an appalling turkey with the build quality of an Allegro, then swapped
it for a Honda Civic (boring little pod-car, but it works).

The Peugeots I have had, have all been strong solid well designed cars. I
am surprised that they are near the bottom.

The message ews.net
from "Doctor Drivel" contains these words:

The TG surveys are purely subjective. People's perceptions of the
quality of their cars contribute far more than real life reliability.

They listed problems, breakdowns, etc. BMW came nowhere.

As always Dribble is unable to stick to the truth. BMW came 10th out of
36 manufacturers. Skoda 2nd.

In the survey Chris highlighted BMW were 7th and Skoda again 2nd.

The Toyota Prius doesn't figure anywhere.

--
Roger Chapman

Doctor Drivel wrote:

Prat Clarkson said that becasue it is not a Ferrari. Note: all the stars
have them, inc me.

The only star you resemble is the one my cat shows when she walks out of
the room.

"Roger" wrote in message
k...
The message ews.net
from "Doctor Drivel" contains these words:

The TG surveys are purely subjective. People's perceptions of the
quality of their cars contribute far more than real life reliability.

They listed problems, breakdowns, etc. BMW came nowhere.

As always Dribble is unable to stick to the truth. BMW came 10th out of
36 manufacturers. Skoda 2nd.

In the survey Chris highlighted BMW were 7th and Skoda again 2nd.

The Toyota Prius doesn't figure anywhere.

Roger, it is so good it is way off the list.

Andy Hall wrote:

Grunff may venture an opinion as well, since we also saw it. Mine
was that it appeared to be about as sturdy as an angle grinder -
didn't seem flimsy.

I thought it felt pretty sturdy, and would expect it to take quite a bit
of abuse. The blades were quite thick steel (2-3mm), with welded teeth.

I think if I was chasing out another house, I'd be very keen to hire one
for a week.


--
Grunff

The message
from John Cartmell contains these words:

Your criticisms would have more weight if you distinguished between an
exaggeration and a lie.

:-)

Now how much do people pay for BMWs in order to be 10th on any list - and so
far (some would say nowhere!) behind Skodas? ;-)

You don't need to buy new you know.

I find it curious that Skoda does so much better than the rest of the
VAG range all of which are listed below BMW. They are all VWs under the
skin and assembly is only a small part of the process. Badge shouldn't
make such a big difference unless (as others have suggested) Skoda
drivers really are more easily satisfied.

It is often claimed that a BMW is a drivers car (well it is rear wheel
drive) and discerning drivers are undoubtedly going to be more critical
than those for who a car is a minor means to an end and the cheaper the
better.

--
Roger Chapman

Steve Firth wrote:
The only star you resemble is the one my cat shows when she walks out of
the room.

Lovely, think of that being wiped all over your furniture
and kitchen surfaces.

In article , Roger
wrote:
The message from John Cartmell
contains these words:

Your criticisms would have more weight if you distinguished between an
exaggeration and a lie.

:-)

Now how much do people pay for BMWs in order to be 10th on any list - and
so far (some would say nowhere!) behind Skodas? ;-)

You don't need to buy new you know.

I find it curious that Skoda does so much better than the rest of the VAG
range all of which are listed below BMW. They are all VWs under the skin
and assembly is only a small part of the process. Badge shouldn't make such
a big difference unless (as others have suggested) Skoda drivers really are
more easily satisfied.

Assembly can make a big difference. In general all cars work. As long as you
don't use cheap components they last a reasonable length of time. Whether the
car has intermittent faults, bits drop off, one line chafes another, &c
depends upon the care of assembly.

It is often claimed that a BMW is a drivers car (well it is rear wheel
drive) and discerning drivers are undoubtedly going to be more critical
than those for who a car is a minor means to an end and the cheaper the
better.

Possibly. This was all as a comparison with power tools. If it does the job
safely and smoothly then you need to think why you are paying more. You
suggest a BMW is a 'driver's car'. Maybe a Skoda is a 'I want to get from A to
B' car?

--
John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822
Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com
Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:04:46 +0000, Steve Firth
wrote:

Doctor Drivel wrote:

Prat Clarkson said that becasue it is not a Ferrari. Note: all the stars
have them, inc me.

The only star you resemble is the one my cat shows when she walks out of
the room.

LOL

That's a keyboard, a tea bag and a slurp of milk you owe me!


--

"Matt" aka Lord Hall wrote in message
news
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:04:46 +0000, Steve Firth
wrote:

Doctor Drivel wrote:

Prat Clarkson said that becasue it is not a Ferrari. Note: all the
stars
have them, inc me.

The only star you resemble is the one my cat shows when she walks out of
the room.

LOL

That's a keyboard, a tea bag and a slurp of milk you owe me!

Lord Hall, please keep your mind on Makitas. This does you no good.

In article ,
John Cartmell wrote:
Anyone with a BMW like to say how much they have spent over how long on
repairs excluding tyres and exhaust - and how often the car has let them
down?

I've had my 528 for 6 years - far longer than I usually keep a car. It was
bought from a main dealer at two years old. It's had five repairs. A
heater speed resistor. Crank position sensor. Broken exterior door handle.
Intensive screen washer pump. Leak from the power steering caused by a
faulty crimp. All replaced by myself.

Actually 'broken down' once - failed battery which died with no warning a
few days after the warranty ran out.

Dealer charges are exorbitant - about 120 quid an hour. And they are poor,
which I'd say must have an effect on the reliability ratings.

Other than that, only service items. Even the exhaust is original despite
my drive to work being only a few miles which usually shortens the life of
such things.

The car still drives like new despite approaching 100,000 miles. And
being an early model off the production line.

--
*I used up all my sick days so I called in dead

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Grunff wrote:
Let's take the 528. One wheel bearing, the part cost £25 and took half
an hour to fit. That's it.

Is this an E39? If so, has the heater motor final stage resistor never
failed? If so I'm telling the Guiness Book of Records...

--
*Organized Crime Is Alive And Well; It's Called Auto Insurance. *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
They listed problems, breakdowns, etc. BMW came nowhere.

Obviously since they don't have problems or break down.

--
*Why doesn't Tarzan have a beard? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Chris Bacon wrote:
http://www.newcarnet.co.uk/reliability_car_search.html

This is an aftermarket warranty company. So their figures take no account
of the condition of the cars when sold secondhand. BMWs are more expensive
to service than Skoda, so may well have been neglected by the time they
leave the dealer re-sell network.

It's interesting that the only other 'prestige' brand in their top ten is
Lexus. No mention of Jaguar, Audi, M-B, etc.

--
*Could it be that "I do " is the longest sentence? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile
faltulence wrote in message ...
In article ,

John Cartmell wrote:
Anyone with a BMW like to say how much they have spent over how long on
repairs excluding tyres and exhaust - and how often the car has let them
down?

I've had my 528 for 6 years - far longer than I usually keep a car. It was
bought from a main dealer at two years old. It's had five repairs. A
heater speed resistor. Crank position sensor. Broken exterior door handle.
Intensive screen washer pump. Leak from the power steering caused by a
faulty crimp.

That is appalling.

Actually 'broken down' once - failed battery
which died with no warning a
few days after the warranty ran out.

Even worse.

Dealer charges are exorbitant - about 120 quid an hour.

Getting worse.

And they are poor,
which I'd say must have an effect
on the reliability ratings.

Outrageous

The car still drives like new despite
approaching 100,000 miles.

Sure it does.

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 09:22:30 GMT, Roger
wrote:

It is often claimed that a BMW is a drivers car (well it is rear wheel
drive) and discerning drivers are undoubtedly going to be more critical
than those for who a car is a minor means to an end and the cheaper the
better.

With one exception (and even that - the M5 it's marginal) their entire
range is anything but a "drivers car" The rear wheel drive thing is
just a throwback and pure misinformation so they can sell old
powertrains on "new" models. A more dull, overpriced, over hyped
range of vehicles you would struggle to find (unless you just happened
to visit the Mercedes showroom)

Years ago buying German meant buying a quality build, even if they
knew (and still know) f*ck all about suspension dynamics. Nowadays
all you are buying is a badge stuck on a cheap assembly of bits - but
you still get buyers with more money than sense buying them.




--

Grunff wrote:
wrote:

Me too, and I'm already hankering after an upgrade, but it is my job
as well I suppose.

My job too - but most of the time I'm just using high-functionality text
editors, nothing more.

.... just like me! :-)

--
Chris Green

In article ,
Roger wrote:
In the survey Chris highlighted BMW were 7th and Skoda again 2nd.

The Toyota Prius doesn't figure anywhere.

Nor did Toyota.

--
*Be more or less specific *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Matt" aka Lord Hall wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 09:22:30 GMT, Roger
wrote:

It is often claimed that a BMW is a drivers car (well it is rear wheel
drive) and discerning drivers are undoubtedly going to be more critical
than those for who a car is a minor means to an end and the cheaper the
better.

With one exception (and even that - the M5 it's marginal) their entire
range is anything but a "drivers car" The rear wheel drive thing is
just a throwback and pure misinformation so they can sell old
powertrains on "new" models. A more dull, overpriced, over hyped
range of vehicles you would struggle to find (unless you just happened
to visit the Mercedes showroom)

Years ago buying German meant buying a quality build, even if they
knew (and still know) f*ck all about suspension dynamics. Nowadays
all you are buying is a badge stuck on a cheap assembly of bits - but
you still get buyers with more money than sense buying them.

Lord Hall, you are right for a change. Front wheel drive has always been
better to drive. Look at the Mini. It pulls the cars around a corner. One
reason BMW bought Rover (and screwed it up), was instant access to front
wheel drive and 4x4 technology.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Is this an E39?

Yes.


If so, has the heater motor final stage resistor never
failed? If so I'm telling the Guiness Book of Records...

Not yet - unless it did before I got it, and was never recorded (I have
what looks like a complete record of every garage visit, but it is
possible).


--
Grunff

In article ,
Matt wrote:
With one exception (and even that - the M5 it's marginal) their entire
range is anything but a "drivers car" The rear wheel drive thing is
just a throwback and pure misinformation so they can sell old
powertrains on "new" models.

I'd love to know what's old about BMW engines. The fact is they major on
in line sixes - perhaps the best engine layout ever - which just plain
ain't suitable for FWD.

--
*You never really learn to swear until you learn to drive *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Lord Hall, you are right for a change. Front wheel drive has always been
better to drive.

There speaks someone who has never driven a powerful car.

--
*I must always remember that I'm unique, just like everyone else. *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile
flatulence wrote in message ...
In article ,
Matt wrote:

With one exception (and even that - the M5 it's marginal) their entire
range is anything but a "drivers car" The rear wheel drive thing is
just a throwback and pure misinformation so they can sell old
powertrains on "new" models.

I'd love to know what's old about BMW engines. The fact is they major on
in line sixes - perhaps the best engine layout ever

It is not. The flat 4 is, as the centre of gravity is low, which promotes
better handling.

Doctor Drivel wrote:

It is not. The flat 4 is, as the centre of gravity is low, which promotes
better handling.

You know even less about cars than you do about boilers. Amazing...


--
Grunff

"Grunff" wrote in message
...
Doctor Drivel wrote:

It is not. The flat 4 is, as the centre of gravity is low, which
promotes
better handling.

You know even less about cars than you do about boilers. Amazing...

It is clear you know nothing about pipework and even less about engines.
Don't you feel ashamed?

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:16:59 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Matt" aka Lord Hall wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 09:22:30 GMT, Roger
wrote:

It is often claimed that a BMW is a drivers car (well it is rear wheel
drive) and discerning drivers are undoubtedly going to be more critical
than those for who a car is a minor means to an end and the cheaper the
better.

With one exception (and even that - the M5 it's marginal) their entire
range is anything but a "drivers car" The rear wheel drive thing is
just a throwback and pure misinformation so they can sell old
powertrains on "new" models. A more dull, overpriced, over hyped
range of vehicles you would struggle to find (unless you just happened
to visit the Mercedes showroom)

Years ago buying German meant buying a quality build, even if they
knew (and still know) f*ck all about suspension dynamics. Nowadays
all you are buying is a badge stuck on a cheap assembly of bits - but
you still get buyers with more money than sense buying them.

Lord Hall, you are right for a change. Front wheel drive has always been
better to drive. Look at the Mini. It pulls the cars around a corner. One
reason BMW bought Rover (and screwed it up), was instant access to front
wheel drive and 4x4 technology.

Dribble I'm not Lord Hall, and all I was making reference to is BMW's
(and to a lesser extent Mercedes) strange attachment for rear wheel
drive when for significant part of their range FWD or 4WD would
actually make more sense.

My personal everyday cars are a mixture of front wheel drive, mid
engined rear wheel drive and front engined rear wheel drive. When the
weather gets bad I revert to four wheel drive. As for what I prefer,
all of them.


--

"Matt" aka Lord Hall wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:16:59 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Matt" aka Lord Hall wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 09:22:30 GMT, Roger
wrote:

It is often claimed that a BMW is a drivers car (well it is rear wheel
drive) and discerning drivers are undoubtedly going to be more
critical
than those for who a car is a minor means to an end and the cheaper
the
better.

With one exception (and even that - the M5 it's marginal) their entire
range is anything but a "drivers car" The rear wheel drive thing is
just a throwback and pure misinformation so they can sell old
powertrains on "new" models. A more dull, overpriced, over hyped
range of vehicles you would struggle to find (unless you just happened
to visit the Mercedes showroom)

Years ago buying German meant buying a quality build, even if they
knew (and still know) f*ck all about suspension dynamics. Nowadays
all you are buying is a badge stuck on a cheap assembly of bits - but
you still get buyers with more money than sense buying them.

Lord Hall, you are right for a change. Front wheel drive has always been
better to drive. Look at the Mini. It pulls the cars around a corner.
One
reason BMW bought Rover (and screwed it up), was instant access to front
wheel drive and 4x4 technology.

Dribble I'm not Lord Hall, and all I was making reference to is BMW's
(and to a lesser extent Mercedes) strange attachment for rear wheel
drive when for significant part of their range FWD or 4WD would
actually make more sense.

Lod Hall, I know that.

My personal everyday cars are a mixture
front wheel drive, mid engined rear wheel
drive and front engined rear wheel drive. When the
weather gets bad I revert to four wheel drive.
As for what I prefer, all of them.

Lord Hall, mine is mainly electric front. Also when the weather is nice a
rear wheel drive and front wheel drive.

The message
from Matt contains these words:

With one exception (and even that - the M5 it's marginal) their entire
range is anything but a "drivers car" The rear wheel drive thing is
just a throwback and pure misinformation so they can sell old
powertrains on "new" models.

I see that you are young enough to have been brainwashed into believing
that front wheel drive is the bees knees when in reality it was
introduced purely as a cost saving exercise and a great deal of
development time and money has since been wasted curing the inherent
problems. Just like Porsche and their outboard motor. The current state
is unremarkable but where would they be now if the initial layout had
been better?

--
Roger Chapman

"Roger" wrote in message
k...
The message
from Matt contains these words:

With one exception (and even that - the M5 it's marginal) their entire
range is anything but a "drivers car" The rear wheel drive thing is
just a throwback and pure misinformation so they can sell old
powertrains on "new" models.

I see that you are young enough to have been brainwashed into believing
that front wheel drive is the bees knees when in reality it was
introduced purely as a cost saving exercise

Roger, you are wrong as usual. Sad but true. FWD was introduced in the
1930s. It was perfecetd by the Mini with the constant velocity joint,
further refined by FIAT around 1971. The Mini went around corners like it
was on rails. Most copied the design in varying forms.

and a great deal of development time and
money has since been wasted curing the inherent
problems.

No problems Roger.

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:50:54 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Matt wrote:
With one exception (and even that - the M5 it's marginal) their entire
range is anything but a "drivers car" The rear wheel drive thing is
just a throwback and pure misinformation so they can sell old
powertrains on "new" models.

I'd love to know what's old about BMW engines. The fact is they major on
in line sixes - perhaps the best engine layout ever - which just plain
ain't suitable for FWD.

Nothing wrong with the engines - fantastic engineering. But the gripe
is why does a car designed to move 4/5 people end up being so wasteful
of space to accommodate the powertrain just to gain (at best) marginal
handling advantages (witness the continual Bavarian drivel about 50/50
weight distribution)

The 1 series and 3 series compact are just crying out for an
intelligent use of FWD. Instead they stick a heap of crap RWD system
in with halfbaked rear suspension more suited to a horse drawn cart.
The gadget overload is just an utter joke - you need a co pilot to
operate anything other than the basic controls. On top of the dubious
engineering and build quality you now have to put up with crap
exteriors drawn by that ****** Bangle - who has to be the biggest
retard on the planet this side of GW Bush. I've seen more elegant
designs come from the hands of a 3 year old doodling with a wax
crayon. BMW just really lost the plot 15 years ago. It makes me so
angry!

--

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:38:32 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile
flatulence wrote in message ...
In article ,
Matt wrote:

With one exception (and even that - the M5 it's marginal) their entire
range is anything but a "drivers car" The rear wheel drive thing is
just a throwback and pure misinformation so they can sell old
powertrains on "new" models.

I'd love to know what's old about BMW engines. The fact is they major on
in line sixes - perhaps the best engine layout ever

It is not. The flat 4 is, as the centre of gravity is low, which promotes
better handling.

Utter crap Dribble, the c of g might be lower but the engine will
always be a complete nail compared to an inline 6.


--

In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
It is not. The flat 4 is, as the centre of gravity is low, which
promotes better handling.

That will be why it's so popular, then?

--
*When it rains, why don't sheep shrink? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Roger wrote:
I see that you are young enough to have been brainwashed into believing
that front wheel drive is the bees knees when in reality it was
introduced purely as a cost saving exercise and a great deal of
development time and money has since been wasted curing the inherent
problems.

It is, however, a space saving package for small cars.

--
*I can see your point, but I still think you're full of ****.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile
flatulence wrote in message ...
In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:

Lord Hall, you are right for a change. Front wheel drive has always been
better to drive.

There speaks

** snip senility **

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:18:04 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ews.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
Lord Hall, you are right for a change. Front wheel drive has always been
better to drive.

There speaks someone who has never driven a powerful car.

His front wheel drive DB6 is absolutely unique :-)


--

"Matt" aka Lord Hall wrote in message
news
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:38:32 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" through a haze of senile
flatulence wrote in message ...
In article ,
Matt aka Lord Hall wrote:

With one exception (and even that - the M5 it's marginal) their
entire
range is anything but a "drivers car" The rear wheel drive thing is
just a throwback and pure misinformation so they can sell old
powertrains on "new" models.

I'd love to know what's old about BMW engines. The fact is they major
on
in line sixes - perhaps the best engine layout ever

It is not. The flat 4 is, as the centre of gravity is low, which
promotes
better handling.

Utter crap Dribble, the c of g might be lower but the engine will
always be a complete nail compared to an inline 6.

Lord Hall, you lack knowledge me son. The in-line 6 is perfect for balance.
On a flat you put in extra crank balancers. A far better car when a flat is
in it.