I wish to draw my own house extension plans for building control.
Can anyone point to some example plans that I can view, in order to
discern the various conventions used ? Using the wrong squiggles may
raise eyebrows somewhere.
Thanks,
Simon.

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I wish to draw my own house extension plans for building control.
Can anyone point to some example plans that I can view, in order to
discern the various conventions used ? Using the wrong squiggles may
raise eyebrows somewhere.
Thanks,
Simon.

It might be an idea to go along to your council and take a look at submitted
plans. They'll even make some copies if you ask them!

Paul

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
wrote:

I wish to draw my own house extension plans for building control.
Can anyone point to some example plans that I can view, in order to
discern the various conventions used ? Using the wrong squiggles may
raise eyebrows somewhere.
Thanks,
Simon.

You have a right to see other people's plans which have been deposited for
Planning Permission purposes - not sure whether the same thing applies to
Building Control - ask your local council.

In any event, if you produce a first draft of your plans, and discuss them
informally with a BCO you will get some helpful advice as to what they're
looking for.
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You have a right to see other people's plans which have been deposited for
Planning Permission purposes - not sure whether the same thing applies to
Building Control - ask your local council.
In any event, if you produce a first draft of your plans, and discuss them
informally with a BCO you will get some helpful advice as to what they're
looking for.

Just been down the town.
They said building control - not a public document, you can't see them.
And I do have a friend BCO.
But, I want to know the conventions - some I have picked up like a
triple line
for a roof ridge on a plan view, dot-dash for floor joists etc.
That's the stuff I need to know.

Cheers,
Simon.

wrote:
You have a right to see other people's plans which have been deposited for
Planning Permission purposes - not sure whether the same thing applies to
Building Control - ask your local council.

They said building control - not a public document, you can't see them.

I've had the same problem; planning permission = no problem, building
control = no chance (this is from the same desk clerk in the same
office). Doesn't make a lot of sense to me!

David

You have a right to see other people's plans which have been deposited
for
Planning Permission purposes - not sure whether the same thing applies to
Building Control - ask your local council.
In any event, if you produce a first draft of your plans, and discuss
them
informally with a BCO you will get some helpful advice as to what they're
looking for.

Just been down the town.
They said building control - not a public document, you can't see them.


AFAIK They have to release them under the FOI Act!

Peter Crosland

Peter Crosland wrote:

They said building control - not a public document, you can't see them.

AFAIK They have to release them under the FOI Act!

Well, they quoted the data protection act at me!

They said building control - not a public document, you can't see them.

AFAIK They have to release them under the FOI Act!

Well, they quoted the data protection act at me!

I suggest you ask them for access under the FOI. The DPA is often quoted
glibly as an all purpose excuse when in fact it does not apply. If the
persist ask them exactly what clause of which Act prevents them from
releasing it. I would be most interested to hear their answer!

Peter Crosland

Peter Crosland wrote:
They said building control - not a public document, you can't see them.

AFAIK They have to release them under the FOI Act!

Well, they quoted the data protection act at me!


I suggest you ask them for access under the FOI. The DPA is often quoted
glibly as an all purpose excuse when in fact it does not apply. If the
persist ask them exactly what clause of which Act prevents them from
releasing it. I would be most interested to hear their answer!

Mm, might just try that next time I have a need (I'm not the OP here -
it was several months ago when I was trying to find out something).

But it's interesting that two councils here (unless the OP happens to be
in the same town as me!) seem to be enforce a rule that planning
permission is fair game, but building control isn't.

David

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Lobster wrote:

But it's interesting that two councils here (unless the OP happens to
be in the same town as me!) seem to be enforce a rule that planning
permission is fair game, but building control isn't.

David


Isn't that because the public is allowed to object to planning
applications - and must therefore be allowed to see them? On the other hand,
AIUI, building regs applications are between the applicant and the BCOs -
with the public not having a role.
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They said building control - not a public document, you can't see them.

AFAIK They have to release them under the FOI Act!

Well, they quoted the data protection act at me!

I suggest you ask them for access under the FOI. The DPA is often quoted
glibly as an all purpose excuse when in fact it does not apply. If the
persist ask them exactly what clause of which Act prevents them from
releasing it. I would be most interested to hear their answer!

Peter Crosland

You may well be right, but I'm not sure the FOI Act applies because Building
Regs drawings are not public documents, whereas planning drawings have to be
made available for public inspection under the T&CP Act.

The reason I was given why Councils don't allow inspection of Building Regs
drawings is the Copyright Act. While this rightly prevents anyone from
making copies (except in special circumstances by the Applicant or his
Agent), you would think (well, I did) that it doesn't legally prevent
Councils from allowing someone to simply look at them, but they don't accept
that argument. It's a pity because old records can often be very useful,
such as tracing covered manholes for example, but on the other hand there
are lots of times I wouldn't want the public to see certain details on my
drawings (e.g. security arrangements), so overall I'm happy with things the
way they are.

I have couple of PDF files of working drawings I could upload somewhere for
people to look at. How do I do that? I've never uploaded anything before.

Peter

On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:42:32 GMT, a particular chimpanzee named
Lobster randomly hit the keyboard and
produced:

I've had the same problem; planning permission = no problem, building
control = no chance (this is from the same desk clerk in the same
office). Doesn't make a lot of sense to me!

OK, imagine the situation. Your friendly neighbourhood burglar or
stalker wants to know the quickest way into the east wing of Lobster
Mansion. Would you be happy that the Council has to let him see the
floor plans?

Planning plans don't _have_to have floor plans. If the application
was submitted to an Approved Inspector (NHBC) the Council won't have a
set of plans. If it was submitted on a Building Notice there won't be
plans with it.
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"If no-one on the internet wants a piece of this,
just how far from the pack have you strayed?"

In message , Peter
Taylor writes
I have couple of PDF files of working drawings I could upload somewhere
for people to look at. How do I do that? I've never uploaded anything
before.

I assume you have some web space included with your ISP account (not
necessarily a safe assumption nowadays, I don't have any with my main
ISP for instance)?

You need to use an FTP program to upload the files. Internet Explorer
can do this.

Check with your ISP (should be in whatever reg details you have, or on
their website) what the format for the FTP address for your web space
would be, the password etc. is.

Type the FTP address into IE, it should prompt you for the user name and
password, enter them and you should be connected. Drag over your pdf
files and let them upload.

Get the web url for the files (again see the isp details)

post it here.

If you don't have web space then there are free web space providers
around.

Alternatively , look for someone else to host it. I could probably stick
them up somewhere.
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"chris French" wrote in message
...
In message , Peter
Taylor writes
I have couple of PDF files of working drawings I could upload somewhere
for people to look at. How do I do that? I've never uploaded anything
before.

I assume you have some web space included with your ISP account (not
necessarily a safe assumption nowadays, I don't have any with my main ISP
for instance)?

You need to use an FTP program to upload the files. Internet Explorer can
do this.

etc

Thanks Chris! Success. I remembered afterwards that somebody set up a
website for me ages ago, but I've never known how to use it and I can't
access the pages he made. There are some pics and stuff there I think.
Anyway, I made a new folder for the drawings.

here's the URL

http://www.euphonium.plus.com/Drawings/

They said building control - not a public document, you can't see them.

AFAIK They have to release them under the FOI Act!

Well, they quoted the data protection act at me!

I suggest you ask them for access under the FOI. The DPA is often quoted
glibly as an all purpose excuse when in fact it does not apply. If the
persist ask them exactly what clause of which Act prevents them from
releasing it. I would be most interested to hear their answer!


You may well be right, but I'm not sure the FOI Act applies because
Building Regs drawings are not public documents, whereas planning drawings
have to be made available for public inspection under the T&CP Act.

The reason I was given why Councils don't allow inspection of Building
Regs drawings is the Copyright Act. While this rightly prevents anyone
from making copies (except in special circumstances by the Applicant or
his Agent), you would think (well, I did) that it doesn't legally prevent
Councils from allowing someone to simply look at them, but they don't
accept that argument. It's a pity because old records can often be very
useful, such as tracing covered manholes for example, but on the other
hand there are lots of times I wouldn't want the public to see certain
details on my drawings (e.g. security arrangements), so overall I'm happy
with things the way they are.

Whilst the copyright undoubtedly comes into it the fact remains that unless
specifically exempted all council papers are available under the FOI. I am
not a copyright expert but there are fair use provisions and it would be
worth asking in in uk.legal.moderated to see if someone there can provide
more information.


Peter Crosland

"Peter Taylor" wrote in message
...
"chris French" wrote in message
...
In message , Peter
Taylor writes
I have couple of PDF files of working drawings I could upload somewhere
for people to look at. How do I do that? I've never uploaded anything
before.

I assume you have some web space included with your ISP account (not
necessarily a safe assumption nowadays, I don't have any with my main ISP
for instance)?

You need to use an FTP program to upload the files. Internet Explorer can
do this.

etc

Thanks Chris! Success. I remembered afterwards that somebody set up a
website for me ages ago, but I've never known how to use it and I can't
access the pages he made. There are some pics and stuff there I think.
Anyway, I made a new folder for the drawings.

here's the URL

http://www.euphonium.plus.com/Drawings/


Thanks;

I've been lurking ... now I'll study your drawings.

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Brian

But it's interesting that two councils here (unless the OP happens to be
in the same town as me!) seem to be enforce a rule that planning
permission is fair game, but building control isn't.
Coventry.
Simon.

here's the URL
tp://www.euphonium.plus.com/Drawings/
Wow, nice house. Just had to say it.
Simon.

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here's the URL
tp://www.euphonium.plus.com/Drawings/
Wow, nice house. Just had to say it.
Simon.

Thanks Simon, not mine though

This was a tiny job for a friend of a friend. I chose it to upload because
all the construction information is on just one sheet. Drawing 1 was
originally the Planning application with a little more detail added for
Building Control. Drawing 3 is the Location and Block Plans, used for both
applications, and Drawing 2 is the construction detail for the Building Regs
application, which is probably more what you need. There's a general floor
plan, a foundation/drainage plan, a roof plan and a section. These give all
the construction information that Building Control (and the Builder) would
require for this particular project, but yours could well be different so
you'll need to think about it carefully.

I just realised these drawings are preliminary copies but I think they give
you the info you need, except the text construction notes are missing on
Drawing 2. I'm searching for the finished article and I'll upload it if I
can find it.

Peter

and Drawing 2 is the construction detail for the Building Regs
application, which is probably more what you need.
The council requests for Full Plans Application :-
A. Two copies of the detailed drawings of the proposed building work to
scale of not less than 1:100.
B. Two copies of a site or location plan drawn to a scale of not less
than 1:1250 which shows the proposal, site boundaries, and the position
of public sewers.
C. Two copies of any specification which accompanies the drawings.
D. Two copies of structural design and calculations.
E. The completed application form, estimate of cost of work and the
appropriate fee.
I don't know exactly what D. includes, but could be struct calcs,
ventilation, U values etc.
I don't want to employ a structural engineer for such a simple project,
but I dunno what is
required here to satisfy building control.
Simon.

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Peter Taylor wrote:


here's the URL

http://www.euphonium.plus.com/Drawings/

Nice!
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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Peter Crosland wrote:


Whilst the copyright undoubtedly comes into it the fact remains that
unless specifically exempted all council papers are available under
the FOI. I am not a copyright expert but there are fair use
provisions and it would be worth asking in in uk.legal.moderated to
see if someone there can provide more information.


Peter Crosland

Are you sure that this applies to all papers *held* by the council, or only
to those which *they* generate?
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I don't want to employ a structural engineer for such a simple
project, but I dunno what is
required here to satisfy building control.
Simon.

Go and ask them. They don't bite!
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Whilst the copyright undoubtedly comes into it the fact remains that
unless specifically exempted all council papers are available under
the FOI. I am not a copyright expert but there are fair use
provisions and it would be worth asking in in uk.legal.moderated to
see if someone there can provide more information.


Are you sure that this applies to all papers *held* by the council, or
only
to those which *they* generate?

AFAIK the FOI applies to all papers held and in any case they are part of
the documentation of the Council. Having said that there is enormous
confusion as to the exemptions etc. and I suspect that "Sir Humphrey"
attitudes still prevail amongst many civil servants!

On 5 Oct 2005 04:42:17 -0700, a particular chimpanzee named
randomly hit the keyboard and produced:

D. Two copies of structural design and calculations.

I don't know exactly what D. includes, but could be struct calcs,
ventilation, U values etc.
I don't want to employ a structural engineer for such a simple project,
but I dunno what is
required here to satisfy building control.

I think I replied addressing this point in a previous post. You have
a long span purlin which may need _structural_ calcs. I advised you
to put a size down on your plans, but you do not necessarily need to
submit calcs just yet. If the BCO checking the plans asks for them,
you will need to submit them at that time.
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"If no-one on the internet wants a piece of this,
just how far from the pack have you strayed?"