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What are gas prices in Britian?
Here in the U.S. people are saying "don't feel bad, gas is $5.60 in
Britian" However you guys don't use the american "Dollar" in Britian you use "Pounds" So how can this statement be true. The British dollar is worth almost twice as much as the American Dollar. Here are my questions: What is the exact cost of gas at the pumps in Great Britian in the English "Pound"? How much gas do you get for the standard pump price? How many miles per gallon does you average car get. Please respond. |
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Our gas comes through pipes in the ground! Our Petrol we buy at the pumps
:-) Two nations divided by a common language! Our Petrol is approx 90pence to £1 per litre wrote in message oups.com... Here in the U.S. people are saying "don't feel bad, gas is $5.60 in Britian" However you guys don't use the american "Dollar" in Britian you use "Pounds" So how can this statement be true. The British dollar is worth almost twice as much as the American Dollar. Here are my questions: What is the exact cost of gas at the pumps in Great Britian in the English "Pound"? How much gas do you get for the standard pump price? How many miles per gallon does you average car get. Please respond. |
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On 18 Aug 2005, wrote
Here in the U.S. people are saying "don't feel bad, gas is $5.60 in Britian" However you guys don't use the american "Dollar" in Britian you use "Pounds" So how can this statement be true. The British dollar is worth almost twice as much as the American Dollar. Here are my questions: What is the exact cost of gas at the pumps in Great Britian in the English "Pound"? Last time I filled up -- a couple of days ago -- 91.9 pence per litre. That translates to GBP 3.47 per US gallon, which at the current exchange rate is USD 6.22 per galllon. How much gas do you get for the standard pump price? As much as will fit in the tank... How many miles per gallon does you average car get. I have an older car which gets 32 mpg town/40 mpg motorway -- that's "miles per Imperial gallon", though. HTH -- Cheers, Harvey |
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£1/L = £3. 7/US gallon = $6.29/US Gallon
(but a lot of that is taxes) wrote in message oups.com... Here in the U.S. people are saying "don't feel bad, gas is $5.60 in Britian" However you guys don't use the american "Dollar" in Britian you use "Pounds" So how can this statement be true. The British dollar is worth almost twice as much as the American Dollar. Here are my questions: What is the exact cost of gas at the pumps in Great Britian in the English "Pound"? How much gas do you get for the standard pump price? How many miles per gallon does you average car get. Please respond. |
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dave wrote:
I'm in a bit of a rush so will leave it so someone else to give you the figures - but just so's you know, our government TAX the actual price we pay for petrol at the pump at something like 80% I think (maybe more)!!!!! It's a form of "voluntary extortion". The income they get from it helps fund their incompetence in many areas - like the "free" Health Service for example. How could the NHS possibly be paid for without taxes? alex -- Alex Meaden Technical Support Officer Computing Service University of Kent |
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What is the exact cost of gas at the pumps in Great Britian in the
English "Pound"? How much gas do you get for the standard pump price? How many miles per gallon does you average car get. This is reasonably complicated, as a US gallon is not a UK gallon and we use litres anyway. However, I'll take a typical price of 91.9p/l. for 95 octane unleaded (octanes are not directly comparable with US). This is the most common petrol. Gas over here means LPG (butane/propane mix) and is much cheaper. That makes 3.48 GBP per US gallon. At an exchange rate of 1.80, this gives 6.26USD per US gallon. UK miles per gallon figures will be in Imperial gallons, so not directly comparable. They are extremely variable. A typical "median average" car that might get driven here (much smaller than a typical US car) might be a 1.6 Ford Focus, which gets a combined urban/extra urban mileage 42.2mpg. A US gallon is 5/6th an Imperial one, giving 35.2 mpg(US). Christian. |
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Alex wrote: dave wrote: I'm in a bit of a rush so will leave it so someone else to give you the figures - but just so's you know, our government TAX the actual price we pay for petrol at the pump at something like 80% I think (maybe more)!!!!! It's a form of "voluntary extortion". The income they get from it helps fund their incompetence in many areas - like the "free" Health Service for example. How could the NHS possibly be paid for without taxes? Indeed. I often wonder about the mentality of people who protest about fuel duty. Even if it were halved overnight we'd just end up paying more VAT or income tax or... You can bet your life the change would not be revenue neutral and we would end up paying more overall. MBQ |
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On 18 Aug 2005, dave wrote
On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:24:30 +0100, "Rob Convery" wrote: £1/L = £3. 7/US gallon = $6.29/US Gallon (but a lot of that is taxes) Which we still have to pay of course! One could try offering to buy it without paying tax at only $1,25/USg but sellers tend to reject this offer with charming Olde Worlde English expressions. Do all the UK posters who are saying "£1/litre" live in central London, or is Hampshire unique in paying around 10p/litre less than that? I just checked a receipt, and I paid 90.9 p/litre last Monday at Tesco. Even the extortionate BP station near us hasn't pushed its luck past 93.9p -- yet. -- Cheers, Harvey |
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dave wrote: On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:32:34 +0100, "Christian McArdle" wrote: They are extremely variable. A typical "median average" car that might get driven here (much smaller than a typical US car) might be a 1.6 Ford Focus, which gets a combined urban/extra urban mileage 42.2mpg. A US gallon is 5/6th an Imperial one, giving 35.2 mpg(US). Christian. OT Also we are seeing many more large vehicles on the roads now though. SUV's with associated high fuel consumption (yes I know -relatively- it doesn't look that bad - but -absolute- fuel consumtion is what gets used). The government are doing nothing about raising the tax on such large behicles (a vehicle tax they *should* increase imho). Why? They consume more petrol so they pay more fuel duty. MBQ |
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In article , Dave
wrote: Our gas comes through pipes in the ground! Our Petrol we buy at the pumps Our responses we put at the bottom. http://www.allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?How_to_post -- AJL |
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Why? They consume more petrol so they pay more fuel duty.
To discourage use. The idea is that people owning such vehicles are usually quite rich, able to pay the tax without hardship and are thus, insufficiently motivated to choose a more suitable vehicle. Unfortunately, it would probably be a pretty blunt and ineffective instrument, only really hurting those who actually need such a vehicle. Christian. |
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dave wrote:
OT Also we are seeing many more large vehicles on the roads now though. SUV's with associated high fuel consumption (yes I know -relatively- it doesn't look that bad - but -absolute- fuel consumtion is what gets used). The government are doing nothing about raising the tax on such large behicles (a vehicle tax they *should* increase imho). As is already the case with road tax |
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Christian McArdle wrote: Why? They consume more petrol so they pay more fuel duty. To discourage use. My point exactly, the more you use it the more fuel duty you pay. The idea is that people owning such vehicles are usually quite rich, able to pay the tax without hardship and are thus, insufficiently motivated to choose a more suitable vehicle. Unfortunately, it would probably be a pretty blunt and ineffective instrument, only really hurting those who actually need such a vehicle. I hate the things and suspect very few people actually *need* such a vehicle. I'm thinking chelsea tractors here, not the tradesman in his ordinary pick-up. MBQ |
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To discourage use. The idea is that people owning such vehicles
are usually quite rich, able to pay the tax without hardship and are thus, insufficiently motivated to choose a more suitable vehicle. Have you been a bigot and a snob all your life, or did you come to it recently? No, I just have an interest in reducing CO2 emissions. I have no issue whatsoever with someone having the means to pay the taxes (indeed, I'd love to join them!), I just lament the fact that this reduces the effectiveness of the deterrent effect, increasing CO2 emissions, which may lead to environmental damage. Indeed, I'd prefer a "plant a tree" scheme. They can then drive their Chelsea tractors all they like, provided they plant enough trees. Christian. |
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Christian McArdle wrote:
To discourage use. The idea is that people owning such vehicles are usually quite rich, able to pay the tax without hardship and are thus, insufficiently motivated to choose a more suitable vehicle. Have you been a bigot and a snob all your life, or did you come to it recently? No, I just have an interest in reducing CO2 emissions. Why? Really, why? Si |
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wrote in message How much gas do you get for the standard pump price? Here in the true blue, C(c)onseratvie, Royal Tunbridge Wells, Kent (south east England - for you peasants) I am paying 89.9p or 90.9p per litre. I will leave you lot to work out what that is in the states or States. How many miles per gallon does you average car get. My car, a Ford Focus CL, (I am not proud, nor posh) 1400 cc, 3 years old is currently doing 45.04 miles per gallon (British gallons) doing both urban and motorway driving. This based on an average of 12 fill ups from 16 June 2005 to the last fill up, 12 August 2005. Motorway mpg is: 46.40 - 5 August; and 46.77 - 6 August. Urban mpg is: 42.80 - 16 June; and 43.48 - 3 Jul. Petrol in the UK is said to be one of the highest in Europe due to taxation and higher company profits. If you are taking into account the cost of driving in the UK, you will need to consider a further car tax called "Road Tax" offically called "Vehicle Excise Duty". For a car it used to be based on the size of the engine either £110 or £170 per year. Now it based on CO2 emission - my car it costs £125 per year. In order to buy for road tax you need to produce an car insurance certificate and MOT certificate - the latter is obtain after an annual inspection of the vehicle for mechancial and other things - at a Post Office.. If the government computer shows that you have not brought road tax the fine is automatic after a certain number of days. On the bright side of motoring, there are very few tolls in the UK. For me to get out of Kent and into Essex the toll is £1 and another £1 to come home. To get into Wales (another country with its own language, where Tom Jones and Catherine Zeta-Jones comes from) it costs £4.80. It costs nothing to come home from Wales, although I would pay to come out bearing my recent visit to that dive of a place Newport, with boarded up, closed shops and wire mesh over the ones that were open and drugged to the eyeballs, youths of many colours and menacing looks. Here are some links: http://www.whatprice.co.uk/car/petrol-prices.php http://tinyurl.co.uk/5rcp Hope this helps. Bobby |
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Huge wrote: I think we should tax people who attend televised football matches. Yes, I could go for that! I think we need the US tax system, where in some states, taxes can only be increased by a vote of the electorate. It certainly concentrates the politicians minds. Anyway on the 4 x 4 question, it doesn't take much to bring out the opinion and envy brigade, telling other people how to live their lives. If you don't like the congestion and local pollution, move! Regards Capitol |
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On 18 Aug 2005 17:03:05 GMT, Huge wrote:
Let's tax all people who attend football matches to pay for the vast cost of extra policing. I believe the clubs already pay. AFAIK only for the policing in the ground. That outside comes from that counties council tax payers. -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:27:16 +0100, Alex
wrote: dave wrote: I'm in a bit of a rush so will leave it so someone else to give you the figures - but just so's you know, our government TAX the actual price we pay for petrol at the pump at something like 80% I think (maybe more)!!!!! It's a form of "voluntary extortion". The income they get from it helps fund their incompetence in many areas - like the "free" Health Service for example. How could the NHS possibly be paid for without taxes? The NHS is paid for by the tax on tobacco isn't it? -- Warning: Do not look directly into laser with remaining eye. |
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Geoffrey wrote: The NHS is paid for by the tax on tobacco isn't it? Probably! The tax on petrol pays for the politicians. Regards Capitol |
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On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:48:27 +0100, "Christian McArdle"
wrote: Why? They consume more petrol so they pay more fuel duty. To discourage use. The idea is that people owning such vehicles are usually quite rich, able to pay the tax without hardship and are thus, insufficiently motivated to choose a more suitable vehicle. So why not have a sliding scale of motoring fines, dependant on the size of your vehicle and therefore your ability to pay? Shoot a red light in your mini=£30 fine Do the same in a Landrover=£200 fine sponix |
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"--s-p-o-n-i-x--" wrote in message news  On 18 Aug 2005 08:33:56 -0700, wrote: Indeed. I often wonder about the mentality of people who protest about fuel duty. Even if it were halved overnight we'd just end up paying more VAT or income tax or... You can bet your life the change would not be revenue neutral and we would end up paying more overall. But tax on fuel penalises drivers. Why not increase the tax on earnings or VAT? That would be fairer as more people would pay it. sponix I guess that the tax on fuel is supposed to make people think about using public transport. In the sticks, it does not but in towns it does. Bobby |
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--s-p-o-n-i-x-- wrote: But tax on fuel penalises drivers. Why not increase the tax on earnings or VAT? That would be fairer as more people would pay it. Don't confuse Tony & co with the facts! The high fuel duties are particularly hard on hard working low income families living in rural areas with lower wages, however, these people don't vote for Nu Labur, so are of no significance! Regards Capitol |
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"--s-p-o-n-i-x--" wrote in message ... On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:48:27 +0100, "Christian McArdle" wrote: Why? They consume more petrol so they pay more fuel duty. To discourage use. The idea is that people owning such vehicles are usually quite rich, able to pay the tax without hardship and are thus, insufficiently motivated to choose a more suitable vehicle. So why not have a sliding scale of motoring fines, dependant on the size of your vehicle and therefore your ability to pay? Shoot a red light in your mini=£30 fine Do the same in a Landrover=£200 fine Shoot a red light=pat on the back from Lord Longford Bobby |
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--s-p-o-n-i-x-- wrote: So why not have a sliding scale of motoring fines, dependant on the size of your vehicle and therefore your ability to pay? AIUI, this is already happening. However, if you are unemployable and in the black economy or a permanent migrant, you can run a 4 x 4 and not pay any fines, as it's more expensive to find and jail you, than to just turn a blind eye! I believe that in the cities, cloned number plates are already present in significant numbers, but no one is admitting it publicly. Regards Capitol Regards Capitol |
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On 18 Aug 2005 20:21:27 GMT, (Huge) wrote:
"zaax" writes: Huge wrote: writes: Alex wrote: dave wrote: I'm in a bit of a rush so will leave it so someone else to give you the figures - but just so's you know, our government TAX the actual price we pay for petrol at the pump at something like 80% I think (maybe more)!!!!! It's a form of "voluntary extortion". The income they get from it helps fund their incompetence in many areas - like the "free" Health Service for example. How could the NHS possibly be paid for without taxes? Indeed. I often wonder about the mentality of people who protest about fuel duty. Even if it were halved overnight we'd just end up paying more VAT or income tax or... You can bet your life the change would not be revenue neutral and we would end up paying more overall. I often wonder about the mentality of people who think that the only way of paying for things is to confiscate the possessions of those who can be bothered to work for a living. If you want to pay for the NHS, you go right ahead, but you wanting me to pay for the NHS is extortion. so, when your medication is ?10,000 a course will you pay for it? Or will you pay for your hip operation at ?5000-10000? Nope. The insurance that I provide for myself out of taxed income will pay for it. It's actually far worse than that Huge. If you are employed and the insurance is part of your remuneration package, then you will pay income tax on it as a benefit in kind. If you are not already at the employee's NIC limit, then there is NIC as well. The employer pays NIC anyway. Then there is insurance premium tax. If one does make one's own arrangements like this and in effect unburdens the NHS of the cost of treating the patient, one is taxed extra on it. Muddled thinking. There should be tax relief on private healthcare premiums not a tax penalty -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:17:36 +0000 (UTC), "Dave"
wrote: Our gas comes through pipes in the ground! Our Petrol we buy at the pumps :-) Two nations divided by a common language! Our Petrol is approx 90pence to £1 per litre Some while ago, John Cleese was interviewed on the U.S. Jay Leno talk show. He was asked what he saw as different between the UK and the US. He replied: - We speak English; you don't. - When we hold a world series we remember to invite other countries. - We go down on one knee when we greet our leader. -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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Christian McArdle wrote:
Why? They consume more petrol so they pay more fuel duty. To discourage use. And fuel duty, rather than a vehicle tax, is a better way of discouraging *use*. Vehicle tax discourages ownership. (To the extent that either tax modifies behaviour.) Owain |
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On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 23:07:36 +0100, Andy Hall
wrote: On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:17:36 +0000 (UTC), "Dave" wrote: Our gas comes through pipes in the ground! Our Petrol we buy at the pumps :-) Two nations divided by a common language! Our Petrol is approx 90pence to £1 per litre Some while ago, John Cleese was interviewed on the U.S. Jay Leno talk show. He was asked what he saw as different between the UK and the US. He replied: - We speak English; you don't. - When we hold a world series we remember to invite other countries. - We go down on one knee when we greet our leader. Given that Americans laugh at Jay Leno (I heard them, they really do!), did they actually find John Cleese's comments amusing? Mr F. |
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On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:08:26 +0100, Capitol
wrote: The high fuel duties are particularly hard on hard working low income families living in rural areas with lower wages, however, these people don't vote for Nu Labur, They don't? Mr F. |
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On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 00:10:25 +0100, Mr Fizzion
wrote: On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 23:07:36 +0100, Andy Hall wrote: On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:17:36 +0000 (UTC), "Dave" wrote: Our gas comes through pipes in the ground! Our Petrol we buy at the pumps :-) Two nations divided by a common language! Our Petrol is approx 90pence to £1 per litre Some while ago, John Cleese was interviewed on the U.S. Jay Leno talk show. He was asked what he saw as different between the UK and the US. He replied: - We speak English; you don't. - When we hold a world series we remember to invite other countries. - We go down on one knee when we greet our leader. Given that Americans laugh at Jay Leno (I heard them, they really do!), did they actually find John Cleese's comments amusing? Probably didn't understand.... -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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