Subject: Gas Prices]




I hear we are going to hit close to $2.65 a gallon by the summer
Want
gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent,
united
action.

Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea:

This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day"

campaign that was going around last April or May!

The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't
continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas. It was more of
an
inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever
thought
of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work.

Please read it and join with us!

By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is
super
cheap. Me too! It is currently $2.19.9 for regular unleaded in my
town.

Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us
to
think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50-$1.75, we
need
to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the
marketplace.... not sellers.

With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need
to
take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas come
down
is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas!

And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.

How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas.
But we
CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a
price
war.

Here's the idea:

For the rest of this year, DON"T purchase ANY gasoline from the two
biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are
not
selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If
they
reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit.

But to have an impact, we need to reach literally million! s of Exxon
and
Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do!! Now, don't whimp (sic)
out on
me at this point... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to

reach millions of people!!

I am sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it
to
at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)... and those 300 send it to at
least
ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the message
reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over
THREE
MILLION consumers!

If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends
each,
then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level

further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!! Again,
all
you have to do is send this to 10 people and DON"T purchase ANY
gasoline
from EXXON and MOBIL. That's all.

(If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you
have to
do is send this to 10 people.... well, let's face it, you just aren't
a
mathematician. But I am... so trust me on this one.)

How long would all that take? If each of us sends this email out to
ten
more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could
conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! I'll bet you
didn't
think you and I had that much potential, did you! Acting together we
can
make a difference.

If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on.

PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND
KEEP
THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK

High gas prices are a direct result of those in the auto
industry who have stifled innovation - and those consumers who
said to those companies, "Keep making crap". You vote for who
runs industry by what you buy. For example, the Federal
government even gave to GM - without strings - $100 million to
develop hybrid technology in 1993. Where are the innovations
that result in lower consumption and therefore lower gas
prices?

Gasoline in 1970 was very cheap at $0.329 per gallon. What
is that in today's money? About $1.65 per gallon. You tell
me. Is $1.65 per gallon expensive? Why was that same price
considered so cheap in 1970? Good people first learn numbers
before having opinions. Gasoline in 1973 was $0.85 per
gallon. In today's money, that is $3.70 per gallon. Higher
prices happen when innovation is stifled.

First learn the numbers before speculating. Yes gasoline
prices have risen. But then the efficiency of vehicles keeps
decreasing. An innovative society does not make crappier
products ten and thirty years later. Basic numbers show why
gas prices and gas consumption in America has so drastically
increased. Consumers who first don't learn the numbers told
the industry to keep making crap - to not innovate.

Elect who promotes or stifles innovation by what you buy.
Those who said "undermine America" elected technically
ignorant industry leaders who then even promoted hydrogen as a
fuel. Basic numbers of science says (obviously) hydrogen will
not be an energy source. For starters, the distribution
losses of hydrogen as a fuel have been estimated at up to 70
and 90% energy loss. Where are the numbers that say hydrogen
is a solution? Numbers don't exist in science. These same
executives would also take revenge on the LA Times for telling
truths. And yet so many of us so hate America as to believe
these bean counting liars - who even took $100million from the
government and produced nothing. Ever hear of corporate
welfare?

Want to see why gasoline prices are higher? First look at
yourself. Did you demand innovation and purchase
accordingly? Or were you so anti-American and anti-innovation
as to blindly buy American - not first learn who is
innovating. Consumption and prices are higher because so many
of us said to these executives, "Keep making crap."

Blame the oil companies. That way you don't have to blame
the man in the mirror. Did you believe those lies about
hydrogen as a future fuel? Then look in the mirror for why
energy prices must climb. An informed human always knew that
gas prices of $1.50 - $1.75 was cheap. But an informed person
first learns the numbers.

Muff wrote:
Subject: Gas Prices]
I hear we are going to hit close to $2.65 a gallon by the summer
Want gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some
intelligent, united action.

Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea:

This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain
day" campaign that was going around last April or May!

The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we
wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas. It
was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them.
BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that
can really work.

Please read it and join with us!

By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50
is super cheap. Me too! It is currently $2.19.9 for regular
unleaded in my town.

Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned
us to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at
$1.50-$1.75, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that
BUYERS control the marketplace.... not sellers.

With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers
need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price
of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not
purchasing their gas! ...

Muff wrote:
Subject: Gas Prices]



For the rest of this year, DON"T purchase ANY gasoline from the two
biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are

not

selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If

they

reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit.


PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND

KEEP

THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK




This and similar messages have been passed on quite a few times over the
last several years. It hasn't had any effect yet.

Muff wrote:
Subject: Gas Prices]




I hear we are going to hit close to $2.65 a gallon by the summer
Want gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some
intelligent, united action.


This has already been debunked. It includes inaccurate information and
some poor logic as well.

I might add that even if gas was $2.65 in the US, it is still cheap
compared to most places in the world. If you want to do something, use
less.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia's Muire duit

Joseph Meehan wrote:
Muff wrote:

Subject: Gas Prices]




I hear we are going to hit close to $2.65 a gallon by the summer
Want gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some
intelligent, united action.



This has already been debunked. It includes inaccurate information and
some poor logic as well.

I might add that even if gas was $2.65 in the US, it is still cheap
compared to most places in the world. If you want to do something, use
less.


Bandwidth?

G Henslee wrote:
Joseph Meehan wrote:
Muff wrote:

Subject: Gas Prices]




I hear we are going to hit close to $2.65 a gallon by the summer
Want gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some
intelligent, united action.



This has already been debunked. It includes inaccurate
information and some poor logic as well.

I might add that even if gas was $2.65 in the US, it is still
cheap compared to most places in the world. If you want to do
something, use less.


Bandwidth?

That too. :-)

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia's Muire duit

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ wrote:
Just remember, if YOU voted for Bush last November, you are now paying
the price for that vote. And it WILL get worse. By 2008, only the
wealthy will be driving.


Following that train of 'thought'; then the law of supply and demand
will kick in and the prices will drastically drop.

"Just remember, if YOU voted for Bush last November, you are now paying

the price for that vote. And it WILL get worse. By 2008, only the
wealthy will be driving. You chose that idiot for president, now you
pay the price. "

Of course you didn't vote for anyone, cause you thought Democrats voted
on Thurs, like Kerry is now complaining about, right?

" High gas prices are a direct result of those in the auto
industry who have stifled innovation - and those consumers who
said to those companies, "Keep making crap".

Ever hear of world competition? Japan? Have any idea how many points
of market share GM has lost in the last 25 years? Are you suggesting
they engaged in a world wide conspiracy to stiffle innovation and lose
market share?


" Gasoline in 1970 was very cheap at $0.329 per gallon. What
is that in today's money? About $1.65 per gallon. You tell
me. Is $1.65 per gallon expensive? Why was that same price
considered so cheap in 1970? Good people first learn numbers
before having opinions. Gasoline in 1973 was $0.85 per
gallon. In today's money, that is $3.70 per gallon. Higher
prices happen when innovation is stifled. "

First you claim gas is expensive because of the auto industry. Now
you say it's cheap, so there goes that argument! Do you spend a lot of
time arguing with yourself?


" First learn the numbers before speculating. Yes gasoline
prices have risen. But then the efficiency of vehicles keeps
decreasing. An innovative society does not make crappier
products ten and thirty years later. Basic numbers show why
gas prices and gas consumption in America has so drastically
increased. Consumers who first don't learn the numbers told
the industry to keep making crap - to not innovate."

The reason the avg fuel economy has decreased slightly over the last
couple decades is not because the industry is making crap. If you
compare apples to apples, today's car's are the most fuel efficient
ever built. The decrease in MPG is due to the fact that consumers are
buying larger, heavier vehicles, especially SUVs. Try opening your
eyes next time you drive.


" Want to see why gasoline prices are higher? First look at
yourself. Did you demand innovation and purchase
accordingly? Or were you so anti-American and anti-innovation
as to blindly buy American - not first learn who is
innovating. Consumption and prices are higher because so many
of us said to these executives, "Keep making crap."

What planet did you just come from? The US has lost huge market share
over the last several decades to foreign competition. And if foreign
manufacturers are so much better, why are there fuel economies for
similar cars very similar?


"But an informed person first learns the numbers. "

That obviously excludes you!

w_tom wrote:
....

... But then the efficiency of vehicles keeps
decreasing. ...

Where is the documenation (numbers) for this assertion?

wrote:
"Just remember, if YOU voted for Bush last November, you are now
paying

the price for that vote. And it WILL get worse. By 2008, only the
wealthy will be driving. You chose that idiot for president, now you
pay the price. "

Of course you didn't vote for anyone, cause you thought Democrats
voted on Thurs, like Kerry is now complaining about, right?

At least Bush is TRYING to increase domestic production by opening ANWAR and
Iraq.

And technology helps. Just look how many shopping trips have been saved by
the internet.

HeyBub wrote:
....
And technology helps. Just look how many shopping trips have been saved by
the internet.

At the cost of a zillion UPS shipments to individual homes instead of
single-point shipments to distributor/retailers and local pickup w/ much
more fuel-efficient individual autos and/or pickups.

I'd be surprised to find it a net gain from an energy consumption
standpoint...

HeyBub wrote:


At least Bush is TRYING to increase domestic production by opening ANWAR and
Iraq.

Dear HeyBub,

Iraq isn't domestic... yet.

Lots to be said for Iraqi statehood, though.

How would you line up 52 stars in the flag?

Steve
southiowa

Until they find a way to transport items thru the wires that connect
our computers, no fuel is being saved at all, and in fact is probably
using more. About the only time fuel is saved is when software or
music is downloaded rather than mailed on disks or cds. Otherwise,
every item bought on the internet has to be shipped using fuel, and
often at a high price.


That may not actually be true, if they can plan their delivery routes
efficiently enough. They don't after all, have to cover the route
all the way from the store to you.. just from the last delivery
point.

Goedjn wrote:

Until they find a way to transport items thru the wires that connect
our computers, no fuel is being saved at all, and in fact is probably
using more. About the only time fuel is saved is when software or
music is downloaded rather than mailed on disks or cds. Otherwise,
every item bought on the internet has to be shipped using fuel, and
often at a high price.


That may not actually be true, if they can plan their delivery routes
efficiently enough. They don't after all, have to cover the route
all the way from the store to you.. just from the last delivery
point.

For any given delivery, they minimize driving distance within their
other constraints granted. But the hypothesis was that the massive
increase in individual deliveries is more fuel-intensive overall than
distribution to local retailers. Whether that is in fact, true I don't
know (and don't even claim to be true), but I think there's a good
chance it is. Could make an interesting thesis in a Transportation
degree program.

Look at gasoline mileage for the nation's fleet. If SUVs
and other passenger vehicle 'exceptions' are added, then many
automakers would be far below the once 24 MPG standards. SUVs
do low gas mileage because they are exempt from national
standards.

The fleet MPG is decreasing. Even worse, some automakers
have optimized vehicles to make their EPA test mileages look
better than real world numbers. The Corvette was a most
glaring example. Its computer program was optimized so that
the transmission would skip second gear during EPA mileage
tests - to optimize EPA mileage numbers.

With passenger vehicles called SUVs now getting only 12 MPG,
you tell me how the efficiency numbers are getting better.
Even in 1968, a 350 V-8 did 17 MPG.

Meanwhile, do the numbers. Gasoline prices are only high
where people failed to first learn numbers. Somehow they just
know - numbers be damned. When gasoline prices hit $1.65 per
gallon, then the emotional complained about high gas prices.
Again, do the numbers. Gas at $1.65 has historically been
cheap gas. No wonder only the import manufacturers develop
energy efficient technologies. No wonder the head of GM is a
finance guy rather than an innovator. No wonder GM management
would hype mythical solutions (ie hydrogen fuel) rather then
do serious engineering. Gasoline is still so cheap - when one
bothers to first do the numbers before 'feeling' a conclusion.
And gasoline prices will go even higher as innovation remains
stifled.

I 'feel' Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. That
proves he had WMDs? Same types also 'feel' gas prices are
high. Numbers be damned. Emotion is proof enough.

Duane Bozarth wrote:
w_tom wrote:
... But then the efficiency of vehicles keeps decreasing. ...

Where is the documenation (numbers) for this assertion?

....
(If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you
have to
do is send this to 10 people.... well, let's face it, you just aren't
a
mathematician. But I am... so trust me on this one.)
....
Yup! Trust ya! And go to jail with you too. You've managed to do
everything from spam to encourage a postal fraud crime here.

Rationalizing people all think they have the answers when all they have is
their own rationalization.

w_tom wrote:

,,,
The fleet MPG is decreasing. ...

You keep saying that, but I'm not buying it as a particularly
significant statistic. What would be needed would be a weighted average
by mileage of the entire fleet, not simply the sales/registration
figures.

Demand is up but mileage is up and production is down or stagnant at
best...meanwhile, former third world (can you say China/India?) demand
is also skyrocketing and the hysteria created in the markets over the
Middle East has had it's contribution...

This year 2 local Mobil stations have changed brands, 1 to Phillips,
another to Marathon.
A Marathon and BP have also closed, and a Shell was purchased by the
local GOP free enterprise
village government as part of a "redevelopment district".

JG