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bath thickness - is 5mm too thin ?
We are refurbishing our bathroom and my wife fancies a couple
of the baths in Homebase. they are largeish double ended ones. I think i had heard rumours about the robustness of 'DIY Shed' baths before with a minimum acceptable thickness. With this in mind I asked the thinkness of the said bath (antilles) and was told it was 5mm acryllic. Is this acceptable or should i stick to a plumbers merchant ? Trouble is that we have been to a few this is my wifes preferred bath. thanks in advance D |
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"dkh" wrote in message ... We are refurbishing our bathroom and my wife fancies a couple of the baths in Homebase. they are largeish double ended ones. I think i had heard rumours about the robustness of 'DIY Shed' baths before with a minimum acceptable thickness. With this in mind I asked the thinkness of the said bath (antilles) and was told it was 5mm acryllic. Is this acceptable or should i stick to a plumbers merchant ? Trouble is that we have been to a few this is my wifes preferred bath. I prefer 8mm, but a lot also depends on how well the bath is supported. There should be a solid, usually ply, moulded-in support under the bottom of the bath, with a central support leg as well as two pairs towards the ends. You should also look for timber moulded under the bath edge. That is so that you can screw up into it from the bath edge support timbers, which should be firmly fixed to the walls or, on sides away from a wall, supported from the floor on a strong frame. Colin Bignell |
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nightjar nightjar@ wrote:
"dkh" wrote in message ... We are refurbishing our bathroom and my wife fancies a couple of the baths in Homebase. they are largeish double ended ones. I think i had heard rumours about the robustness of 'DIY Shed' baths before with a minimum acceptable thickness. With this in mind I asked the thinkness of the said bath (antilles) and was told it was 5mm acryllic. Is this acceptable or should i stick to a plumbers merchant ? Trouble is that we have been to a few this is my wifes preferred bath. I prefer 8mm, but a lot also depends on how well the bath is supported. I'd certainly go along with that; I tend to ignore (or rather augment) what fittings the manufacturer provides, which are invariably inadequate especially for a thin bath. If you use plenty of extra support, eg at the corners, you can compensate in part for the lack of thickness IMHO. When I went into a specialist bathroom outlet recently, the proprietor launched into a tirade against cheap'n nasty you-get-what-you-pay-for suites at the sheds before I'd barely had a chance to open my mouth. He affirmed that the 'diy shed' baths were all far too thin, and his were of decent thickness; the interesting part for me was that he said that the reason that 'diy shed' baths always have lots of ribbing and designs built into their fabric is to give them a bit of stiffness so they don't collapse under their own weight; he reckoned if you wanted a very plain bath with no drip grooves, soap recesses etc, you had to go for thicker material. David |
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"Lobster" wrote in message ... When I went into a specialist bathroom outlet recently, the proprietor launched into a tirade against cheap'n nasty you-get-what-you-pay-for suites at the sheds before I'd barely had a chance to open my mouth. He affirmed that the 'diy shed' baths were all far too thin, and his were of decent thickness; the interesting part for me was that he said that the reason that 'diy shed' baths always have lots of ribbing and designs built into their fabric is to give them a bit of stiffness so they don't collapse under their own weight; he reckoned if you wanted a very plain bath with no drip grooves, soap recesses etc, you had to go for thicker material. And did you buy one from him? Mary David |
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Mary Fisher wrote:
"Lobster" wrote in message ... When I went into a specialist bathroom outlet recently, the proprietor launched into a tirade against cheap'n nasty you-get-what-you-pay-for suites at the sheds before I'd barely had a chance to open my mouth. He affirmed that the 'diy shed' baths were all far too thin, and his were of decent thickness; the interesting part for me was that he said that the reason that 'diy shed' baths always have lots of ribbing and designs built into their fabric is to give them a bit of stiffness so they don't collapse under their own weight; he reckoned if you wanted a very plain bath with no drip grooves, soap recesses etc, you had to go for thicker material. And did you buy one from him? Well I did as it happens! - a combination of believing what he said; a bit of a desire to support a local business rather than Wickes/B&Q et al; but mostly that it was a really nice-looking, well made, plain bath! David |
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"Lobster" wrote in message ... Mary Fisher wrote: "Lobster" wrote in message ... When I went into a specialist bathroom outlet recently, the proprietor launched into a tirade against cheap'n nasty you-get-what-you-pay-for suites at the sheds before I'd barely had a chance to open my mouth. He affirmed that the 'diy shed' baths were all far too thin, and his were of decent thickness; the interesting part for me was that he said that the reason that 'diy shed' baths always have lots of ribbing and designs built into their fabric is to give them a bit of stiffness so they don't collapse under their own weight; he reckoned if you wanted a very plain bath with no drip grooves, soap recesses etc, you had to go for thicker material. And did you buy one from him? Well I did as it happens! - a combination of believing what he said; a bit of a desire to support a local business rather than Wickes/B&Q et al; Good for you! but mostly that it was a really nice-looking, well made, plain bath! Another good reason. Mary David |
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nightjar nightjar@ wrote:
told it was 5mm acryllic. Is this acceptable I prefer 8mm, I prefer steel but a lot also depends on how well the bath is supported. We've all been very tactful and not asked the OP how much he and his missus weigh :-) Owain |
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"Owain" wrote in message ... nightjar nightjar@ wrote: told it was 5mm acryllic. Is this acceptable I prefer 8mm, I prefer steel but a lot also depends on how well the bath is supported. We've all been very tactful and not asked the OP how much he and his missus weigh :-) Are you assuming they're in the bath at the same time? I've heard that it happens :-) Isn't there a standard weight which the manufacturers are supposed to allow for? Our bath is an ancient, large, cast iron one. All I worry about is the strength of the floor holding it up when it's full of water. And me. Yes I'm big (11 st 9lb and going down) but not as heavy as most of the men I know. Spouse is 9 st dripping wet, before anyone makes a comment :-) Mary Owain |
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Mary Fisher wrote:
Isn't there a standard weight which the manufacturers are supposed to allow for? I presume that it should hold a full bath of water. We are not that much denser than water I think. (There would have to be a saftey margin.) Rem |
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"Rembrandt Kuipers" wrote in message ... Mary Fisher wrote: Isn't there a standard weight which the manufacturers are supposed to allow for? I presume that it should hold a full bath of water. We are not that much denser than water I think. A bit less in fact, we float. Well, I do, Spouse doesn't. But that's a good point which I should have thought about! Mary |
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I presume that it should hold a full bath of water. We are not that much
denser than water I think. (There would have to be a saftey margin.) Being pedantic though this is a well distributed load. Nothing like the weight of a heavy person standing at one end - this is the case that shows up the flexibility of the bath! Phil |
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Mary Fisher wrote:
We've all been very tactful and not asked the OP how much he and his missus weigh :-) Are you assuming they're in the bath at the same time? I've heard that it happens :-) He was talking about a double-ender IIRC. Double-enders are for sharing, so I assume. Owain |
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In article , Owain
URL:mailto He was talking about a double-ender IIRC. Double-enders are for sharing, so I assume. Certainly true according to http://www.lovehoney.co.uk :-) -- AJL |
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"Owain" wrote in message ... Mary Fisher wrote: We've all been very tactful and not asked the OP how much he and his missus weigh :-) Are you assuming they're in the bath at the same time? I've heard that it happens :-) He was talking about a double-ender IIRC. Double-enders are for sharing, so I assume. Oh ... I see. I think. Ours is a conventional Victorian bath, taps at one end, rounded at the other, but it's had two of us in it often. I always eleced to sit at the non-tap end. Mary Owain |
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"Owain" wrote in message ... nightjar nightjar@ wrote: told it was 5mm acryllic. Is this acceptable I prefer 8mm, I prefer steel Acrylic is a better insulator. Colin Bignell |
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On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:58:03 +0000, dkh wrote:
We are refurbishing our bathroom and my wife fancies a couple of the baths in Homebase. they are largeish double ended ones. I think i had heard rumours about the robustness of 'DIY Shed' baths before with a minimum acceptable thickness. With this in mind I asked the thinkness of the said bath (antilles) and was told it was 5mm acryllic. Is this acceptable or should i stick to a plumbers merchant ? Trouble is that we have been to a few this is my wifes preferred bath. thanks in advance Try a plumbers' merchant - the sort that has bits on the pavement. Bad 5mm - 6mm - 7mm - 8mm good. You get what you pay for. When you go to a shed - you are paying for it to a) be open longer esp w/e. b) have nicely laid out displays so you can see what you are getting. -- Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter. The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html |
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Ed Sirett wrote in
news On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:58:03 +0000, dkh wrote: We are refurbishing our bathroom and my wife fancies a couple of the baths in Homebase. they are largeish double ended ones. I think i had heard rumours about the robustness of 'DIY Shed' baths before with a minimum acceptable thickness. With this in mind I asked the thinkness of the said bath (antilles) and was told it was 5mm acryllic. Is this acceptable or should i stick to a plumbers merchant ? Trouble is that we have been to a few this is my wifes preferred bath. thanks in advance Try a plumbers' merchant - the sort that has bits on the pavement. Bad 5mm - 6mm - 7mm - 8mm good. You get what you pay for. When you go to a shed - you are paying for it to a) be open longer esp w/e. b) have nicely laid out displays so you can see what you are getting. Cheers Ed, forgot to add that the bath she most likes is a double ended one (fairly large) which tends to suggest 5mm is not up to the job. Bit confused about what you meant above Bad 5mm - 6mm - 7mm - 8mm good. does this mean all but 8mm are bad or is 7mm ok too ? |
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"Ed Sirett" said: Bad 5mm - 6mm - 7mm - 8mm good. I spoke to a couple of bath manufacturers before buying last year. They claimed it wasn't quite as straight forward as Ed describes. They claimed that the forming process tends to thin the bath wall more as the wall thickness increases. So the best option is a 5mm bath with a secondary coating. Ideal Standard make one whose name eludes me. I actually went for an "Aquanited" model from Aquabeau - guaranteed 25 years. There were one or two quality issues, but structurally it seems solid. Phil |
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With this in mind I asked the thinkness of the said bath (antilles) and
was told it was 5mm acryllic. Personally, I wouldn't touch plastic with a bargepole however thick it is. I know they come in all sorts of wonderful shell shapes and suchlike, but being a porky sort, I like to know the bath will remain approximately where it is when I'm getting into it. Christian. |
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"Christian McArdle" wrote in message et... With this in mind I asked the thinkness of the said bath (antilles) and was told it was 5mm acryllic. Personally, I wouldn't touch plastic with a bargepole however thick it is. I know they come in all sorts of wonderful shell shapes and suchlike, but being a porky sort, I like to know the bath will remain approximately where it is when I'm getting into it. Me too. The work of the devil. And if a child tries out Grandpa's drill on a plastic one you end up with an expensive colander ... :-) Mary Christian. |
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"Christian McArdle" wrote in message et... With this in mind I asked the thinkness of the said bath (antilles) and was told it was 5mm acryllic. Personally, I wouldn't touch plastic with a bargepole however thick it is. I know they come in all sorts of wonderful shell shapes and suchlike, but being a porky sort, I like to know the bath will remain approximately where it is when I'm getting into it. I doubt mine is going anywhere. Each of the five feet is screwed down with three screws and there are screws up into the rim timber at about 6" intervals all around the rim. On three sides, the support timber is fixed firmly to the wall and on the fourth side, it is held up by 2" x 2" well-jointed framing, which is screwed to the floor. Colin Bignell |
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I doubt mine is going anywhere. Each of the five feet is screwed down with
three screws and there are screws up into the rim timber at about 6" intervals all around the rim. On three sides, the support timber is fixed firmly to the wall and on the fourth side, it is held up by 2" x 2" well-jointed framing, which is screwed to the floor. I bet the sides bend, though! Also, the metal one you just put on the floor. Job done. Christian. |
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I considered whether to have cheap plastic or cheap metal bath and
eventually settled for a cheap plastic one (probably 5mm, although I must admit, I haven't measured it). Although the metal ones were more solid I noticed that they tapered considerably towards the bottom, meaning that lying in it would produce a "penned in" sensation, so much so that even when showering and standing up, it would difficult to lay my feet completely flat. I am only a lanky streak of **** as well. I assume the cheap metal ones are made this way because they are easier to cast in this shape. I spent ages building a very substantial wooden frame for my plastic bath using bits of 3" x 2" and the result is a very solid cheap plastic bath. It does stay warmer for longer too, as somebody else has already mentioned. |
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Although the metal ones were more solid I noticed that they tapered
considerably towards the bottom, meaning that lying in it would produce a "penned in" sensation, so much so that even when showering and standing up, it would difficult to lay my feet completely flat. I am only a lanky streak of **** as well. I have no problem at all and I'm 6'2" and not exactly slightly built. I find standard steel baths to be very comfortable. Perhaps the shop you went to had a particularly unusual shape. Christian. |
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"Christian McArdle" wrote in message et... I doubt mine is going anywhere. Each of the five feet is screwed down with three screws and there are screws up into the rim timber at about 6" intervals all around the rim. On three sides, the support timber is fixed firmly to the wall and on the fourth side, it is held up by 2" x 2" well-jointed framing, which is screwed to the floor. I bet the sides bend, though! They don't with an 8mm thick acrylic bath. Colin Bignell |
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dkh wrote:
We are refurbishing our bathroom and my wife fancies a couple of the baths in Homebase. I don't think homebase will allow this? :-) |
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