The bathroom brochures these days have a lot of back-to-wall toilets.
In the brochures these look great, but I was wondering how difficult it
is to build the false wall required for these? Taking a random example:

http://www.bathstore.com/large_image.asp?code=16500

What should the dark green coloured false wall in the picture be made
of? Plasterboard? Chipboard? Something else? Presumably it is mounted
on some sort of wooden frame? Is access to the cistern by removing the
horizontal panel at the bottom of the white-coloured niche? Do plumbers
typically build these false walls while installing the toilet or would
it be better to get a different trade to construct the wall? I'm not
bothered about having a wall-hung toilet, floor-standing is equally
fine.

Thanks for any advice on this topic, and to those who responded to my
posting a couple of days ago...

Julian

I'm Just about to go through a similar exercise. I have a chippy mate
who's going to make me a false wall. It will be made of 2 x 2 for the
battens/ framework and the side bits/front will be made of 6mm plywood.
My wall is to hide some ugly pipework and to also provide a backing for
a back to wall toilet the flush (no pun intended) type. a semi pedastel
sink will also be hung on it hence the 2x2 which should give a nice
strong frame.

I would say that a plumber probably wouldn't entertain the building of
said wall but a chippy would knock you one up in no time (if you can
get one) or DIY it, which again is simple. I just dont have the time
myself due to all the other jobs I have on. Make sure you know where
all your pipes will go though before embarking on this!

HTH

Cheers

Richard

Richard

Thanks for the advice on this. Do you skim the front-face of the
plywood with plaster or paint straight onto the bare plywood?

cheers

Julian

I am tiling mine so no issues regarding final finish and plywood will
be sufficient. If you want a paintable top notch finish I would
probably use plaster board instead of plywood and then skim this.
Basically you would be constructig a stud wall. I wouldn't skim the
plywood unless it was thick as it would probably be too flexible
resulting in the plaster cracking and falling off (?) Also I dont thnk
you would get the finish you are after by just sanding the wood and
painting.

Someone else may come along with a better idea though........

Cheers

Richard

It happens that formulated :
The bathroom brochures these days have a lot of back-to-wall toilets.
In the brochures these look great, but I was wondering how difficult it
is to build the false wall required for these? Taking a random example:

http://www.bathstore.com/large_image.asp?code=16500

What should the dark green coloured false wall in the picture be made
of? Plasterboard? Chipboard? Something else? Presumably it is mounted
on some sort of wooden frame?

Obviously it would need to be a good strong wooden frame, to with stand
the weight of the toilet plus user without deflecting.


Is access to the cistern by removing the
horizontal panel at the bottom of the white-coloured niche? Do plumbers
typically build these false walls while installing the toilet or would
it be better to get a different trade to construct the wall? I'm not
bothered about having a wall-hung toilet, floor-standing is equally
fine.

It would need to be built by a joiner, or you could DIY it. It would
need some quick access of some type to service the cistern and perhaps
the soil pipe, either a removable shelf (as in the photo), a panel
above the toilet or perhaps even better access from the far side of the
wall etc.. In commercial installations, they often have several toilets
back to backing onto a walkway between them, to allow them to be
serviced.

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Regards,
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.org

due to an obsession with seeing nasty pipework I built two walls in my
bathroom for the basin pedestal and back to wall toilet,the stud was 2x1 and
the basin wall was plywood lined and the other just plasterboard both
finished with tiles and toped with a removable ash tops held in position
with old style plinth clips.If you would like to see some photos let me know
and I will email then to you

Alex

Harry Bloomfield wrote:

Obviously it would need to be a good strong wooden frame, to with stand
the weight of the toilet plus user without deflecting.

The weight of the toilet and user is carried by the pedestal of the WC
and hence carried by the floor not the wall. The wall is just cosmetic
to hide the cistern.


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Cheers,

John.

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On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 03:11:24 +0100, John Rumm

The weight of the toilet and user is carried by the pedestal of the WC
and hence carried by the floor not the wall. The wall is just cosmetic
to hide the cistern.

But in the picture the pedestal isn't in contact with the floor.

Mr F.

John Rumm wrote:
Harry Bloomfield wrote:

Obviously it would need to be a good strong wooden frame, to with stand
the weight of the toilet plus user without deflecting.

The weight of the toilet and user is carried by the pedestal of the WC
and hence carried by the floor not the wall. The wall is just cosmetic
to hide the cistern.


Not if it's wall hung as shown in the link given by the OP.

MBQ

wrote in message
ups.com...
The bathroom brochures these days have a lot of back-to-wall toilets.
In the brochures these look great, but I was wondering how difficult it
is to build the false wall required for these? Taking a random example:

http://www.bathstore.com/large_image.asp?code=16500

What should the dark green coloured false wall in the picture be made
of? Plasterboard? Chipboard? Something else? Presumably it is mounted
on some sort of wooden frame? Is access to the cistern by removing the
horizontal panel at the bottom of the white-coloured niche? Do plumbers
typically build these false walls while installing the toilet or would
it be better to get a different trade to construct the wall? I'm not
bothered about having a wall-hung toilet, floor-standing is equally
fine.

Thanks for any advice on this topic, and to those who responded to my
posting a couple of days ago...

I considered using such a device - a wall hung toilet pan -
when refurbishing the wc last year. My wife was particularly
interested in the idea of cleaning the floor under the pan 'all
in one go", so to speak. Speaking in general -the wall conceals
a metal frame that affixes to the floor, and possibly to walls
either side, - or in the case of commercial multi-stall installations-
to adjacent frames- the frame also contains the flush tank which is
basically a polythene(?) tank (it's not going to be visible so needn't
be pretty. The frames have adjustments in the heave-axis to cater for
different pans. Connections to the soil stack and water occur behind
the frame. Cladding can be whatever you want to close-out the frame.

I eventually ruled out the choice of such a device due to lack of
knee-room in the (separate) toilet room . If I'd fitted one the
wall-frame-pan-door length just wasn't enough.

Instead, I fitted a 'conventional' toilet configured to sit on the
floor with ceramic skirts that abut to the wall and hide the
soil-pipe connections - it was a b***ger to fit- by design you
can't see the soil-pipe / pan-outlet connection as you're sliding
the pan into place !

If however, I had a bathroom inc toilet where space -in front of-
the pan wasn't a constraint; I'd certainly go done that route.

There are a number of firms manufacturing the 'toilet/bidet/hand basin'
hanging frames - I had the opportunity of inspecting several at
a (decent) bathroom fixtures showroom.

HTH

--

Brian

Mr Fizzion wrote:

On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 03:11:24 +0100, John Rumm


The weight of the toilet and user is carried by the pedestal of the WC
and hence carried by the floor not the wall. The wall is just cosmetic
to hide the cistern.


But in the picture the pedestal isn't in contact with the floor.

There is a difference between "back to the wall" WCs that the OP asked
about, and wallhung WCs that the picture *may* show (I am not sure about
that picture - it has a raytraced quality to it!).

Obviously if you want a wall hung WC then the studwork frame wants to be
far more substantial (i.e. build from 4x2" with noggins placed to carry
the load and allow rigid fixing of the pan)


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Cheers,

John.

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John Rumm wrote:
There is a difference between "back to the wall" WCs that the OP asked
about, and wallhung WCs that the picture *may* show (I am not sure about
that picture - it has a raytraced quality to it!).

Obviously if you want a wall hung WC then the studwork frame wants to be
far more substantial (i.e. build from 4x2" with noggins placed to carry
the load and allow rigid fixing of the pan)

For wall hung use a steel frame to support the WC
eg
Grohe Rapid SL ( http://www.grohe.co.uk)

or
http://www.geberit.co.uk/geberit/ine...san-Wall-duo-1


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David Clark

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Richard

Thanks for the advice on this. Do you skim the front-face of the
plywood with plaster or paint straight onto the bare plywood?

If you want to paint, why not use some lining paper?

cheers

Julian