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"ben" wrote in message . uk... John Rumm wrote: ben wrote: and for them to fin a suitable location. If they say no tell them you will not allow them into the flat. You will probably find they have statutory power of entry if they want to get stroppy... Who from? If the Landord does not want Gas meter situated in the bedroom then they have no right of entry. I don't expect that in reality you will have any problem - even if they need to run a pipe through the bedroom I am sure they can locate the meter somewhere else. However statutory power of entry means just that. It is a right bestowed on them by government that means they may effect entry to any premises regardless of if they have been given explicit permission (or even had it denied for that matter), and usually without need for any additional form of warrant. Gas and Electricity providers traditionally have this right so that they can legally correct potentially dangerous faults in private property without needing to get permission first. There are a few other bodies that have this power. Customs and Excise is one (not sure how that translates to the new HM Customs and Revenue.... how is that for a scary thought, the tax man breaking down your door!) There are others, but I can't remember them at the mo. I know all about the rights Gas/Manweb have on gaining entry to a premises. What I'm trying to explain is they do not have the right to enter the premises if the occupant/landord has stipulated that he does not want the Meter installed in the bedroom, however he has informed them that he has no objection to have it installed elsewhere in the property, either in the livingroom/hallway or backitchen, they then have to re-route the main pipe underground and near to where the meter will be situated. Sounds to me as they are avoiding ground work and looking to save themselves some hard work. Yep. I used to look at the property for the ideal meter locations, decide where the risers where and only then decide where the underground pipes would go. |They are doing it backwards to save time, effort and money. Well that is the private cowboy sector for you. |
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"Matt" wrote in message ... "Doctor Drivel" wrote: I used to design these things Yes, of course you did DINKY Double Income No Kids Yet ? tut, tut. |
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wrote in message ups.com... Just to update everyone.. the work has gone ahead - pipes have been fitted, with the meter being moved on monday. It seems that this was the last resort due to various different parties' involvement/interests. They are due to box in the meter early next week - is there any particular method for this that would be preferable? An earlier post mentioned a spring door and seal arrangement. That is not mandatory, I just suggested that to the builders whop did it. Make sure the cupboard is soundproofed as much as possible, as some maters can make a noise. Not what you want in a bedroom |
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"tarquinlinbin" wrote in message ... On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:11:34 GMT, "ben" wrote: wrote: Transco are in the process of renewing the gas supply to the block of flats I live in. At present, my gas meter is located in a cupboard within the flat, supplied by a central pipe that travels through the building. Transco have proposed to run a new pipe on the outside of my 3 storey block, with a pipe coming into my flat through the main bedroom with a meter here also. THe pipe will then run the length of the bedroom to join the existing pipe in the cupboard to supply the appliances. I am concerned about having a meter in my bedroom as my existing cupboard/meter combo always smells strongly of gas. Are there any regulations of safety guidance regarding the location of gas meters? I would appreciate any advice/guidance on this matter. Many thanks!! Tell Transco your obejecting to this strongly and do not wish to have it like this. Its your flat that is where you live and they have to abide by what you want, not what they want as an easy route to install their piping. Fraid not,,he can quite reasonably ask for an explanation as to the choice of the new meter position but fact is that it is no longer permissable to have any great length of live gas main/service within a premise and the live service should ideally be outside the premise(outside meterbox) or terminate as soon as possible within the premise. To ensure that this happens,service entry tees (the bit the main on/off valve fits on) are manufactured to specific shortest possible sizes. This is a common situation,,for example,flat where the service riser went up internally in the block or an ordinary house where the service emerged somehwere centrally in the house from under the wooden floor or concrete raft. In all such situations,the new service entry would be sited to the periphery of the property,i.e external wall. The only exceptions apply to tall multistory blocks which still have internal risers but there are special regs/provisions for this relating to support,fireproofing ,ventilation and regular inspection Remove antispam and add 670 after bra to email Risers rising up the inside must be in fireproof ducts. |
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wrote in message ... On 22 Jul, Ed Sirett wrote: The old manufactured gas was highly toxic and a concentration much less that lower explosive limit was fatal in minutes. Natural gas is much less toxic. However gas leaks need to be fixed - because some of them are serious and any leak might be just such. Cambridge (or it may have been Oxford) was converted to natural gas much earlier than was originally planned to prevent the student population using its toxicity for heads in gas ovens. That's a shame. They should have kept the whole place on town gas to this day. |
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On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:01:11 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote: Yep. I used to look at the property for the ideal meter locations, decide where the risers where and only then decide where the underground pipes would go. |They are doing it backwards to save time, effort and money. Well that is the private cowboy sector for you. So were you in the public cowboy sector? -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:01:11 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" wrote: Yep. I used to look at the property for the ideal meter locations, decide where the risers where and only then decide where the underground pipes would go. |They are doing it backwards to save time, effort and money. Well that is the private cowboy sector for you. So were you in the public cowboy sector? Nope. Contracted on to the superb public sector which put the consumer first, not profit. |
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On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:30:20 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote: "Andy Hall" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:01:11 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" wrote: Yep. I used to look at the property for the ideal meter locations, decide where the risers where and only then decide where the underground pipes would go. |They are doing it backwards to save time, effort and money. Well that is the private cowboy sector for you. So were you in the public cowboy sector? Nope. Contracted on to the superb public sector which put the consumer first, not profit. So now you're telling us that the public sector contracted unqualified individuals to do work for consumers. That's putting the consumer first? -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:30:20 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" wrote: "Andy Hall" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:01:11 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" wrote: Yep. I used to look at the property for the ideal meter locations, decide where the risers where and only then decide where the underground pipes would go. |They are doing it backwards to save time, effort and money. Well that is the private cowboy sector for you. So were you in the public cowboy sector? Nope. Contracted on to the superb public sector which put the consumer first, not profit. So now you're telling us that the public sector contracted unqualified individuals to do work for consumers. I didn't tell you that at all. You need any Corgi crap to design. Only hands on people need to be Corgi. They insist you are educated in the field though. |
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On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 12:15:28 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote: Nope. Contracted on to the superb public sector which put the consumer first, not profit. So now you're telling us that the public sector contracted unqualified individuals to do work for consumers. I didn't tell you that at all. You need any Corgi crap to design. Only hands on people need to be Corgi. They insist you are educated in the field though. I see. How exactly were you educated and what qualifications did you achieve? -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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In article ws.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote: But you're not CORGI Maxie, you don't to be Corgi to design. Provided those designs are ignored? -- *Some days we are the flies; some days we are the windscreen.* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In article ws.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote: Yep. I used to look at the property for the ideal meter locations, decide where the risers where and only then decide where the underground pipes would go. |They are doing it backwards to save time, effort and money. Well that is the private cowboy sector for you. The obvious place would have been in the now redundant airing cupboard? Or neatly between the twin 'combi's'? Designed by Drivel. Accepted by his relations. Rejected by the world. -- *When the going gets tough, the tough take a coffee break * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In article ws.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote: So were you in the public cowboy sector? Nope. Contracted on to the superb public sector which put the consumer first, not profit. You were contracted to BG? Explains it all. The total lack of any concept of value for money that pervades your posts. -- *Everybody lies, but it doesn't matter since nobody listens. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Andy Hall wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 12:15:28 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" wrote: Nope. Contracted on to the superb public sector which put the consumer first, not profit. So now you're telling us that the public sector contracted unqualified individuals to do work for consumers. I didn't tell you that at all. You need any Corgi crap to design. Only hands on people need to be Corgi. They insist you are educated in the field though. I see. How exactly were you educated and what qualifications did you achieve? Walking around with the Queen, Sh***ing in public places. |
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Andy Hall wrote: Maxie, you don't to be Corgi to design. That is truly scary. What qualifications do you need? I'm just trying to visualise a fitter trying to decipher Evil's written spec. A gas meter on top of the roof would be very easy to read. -- *I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In article ws.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote: They insist you are educated in the field though. Explains it. You only talk cow. -- *Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes "raden" wrote in message ... In message , Andy Hall writes On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:37:19 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" wrote: "raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes I used to design these things, Which one did you design ? and the last place you ever put one was in a bedroom. I only ever put one in a bedroom as there literally was no other location. But you're not CORGI Maxie, you don't to be Corgi to design. That is truly scary. What qualifications do you need? Obviously not an ability to put all the words in a sentence required to make it make sense Maxie, are you sure about that? So explain the sense in "Maxie, you don't to be Corgi to design" -- geoff |
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In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes "raden" wrote in message ... In message , Doctor Drivel writes "Andy Hall" wrote in message news On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:37:19 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" wrote: "raden" wrote in message ... In message ews.net, Doctor Drivel writes I used to design these things, Which one did you design ? and the last place you ever put one was in a bedroom. I only ever put one in a bedroom as there literally was no other location. But you're not CORGI Maxie, you don't have to be Corgi to design. That is truly scary. What qualifications do you need? To design? None. I'll ask again "Which one did you design ?" easy question and simple for you to answer Many, many of them. Maxie I was super brill. OK, just one of them would suffice, name one you designed -- geoff |
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In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes "raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes "raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes I used to design these things, Which one did you design ? and the last place you ever put one was in a bedroom. I only ever put one in a bedroom as there literally was no other location. But you're not CORGI Maxie, you don't to be Corgi to design. "I only ever put one in a bedroom as there literally was no other location." is what I was referring to and you seem to have conveniently missed out "I used to design these things, Which one did you design ?" would you like to give a sensible answer please Maxie, you are very confused. Falling off that tree again wearing that frock and doing in your wrist has affected you. So you're lying ... again You didn't design any -- geoff |
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In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes "ben" wrote in message .uk... John Rumm wrote: ben wrote: and for them to fin a suitable location. If they say no tell them you will not allow them into the flat. You will probably find they have statutory power of entry if they want to get stroppy... Who from? If the Landord does not want Gas meter situated in the bedroom then they have no right of entry. I don't expect that in reality you will have any problem - even if they need to run a pipe through the bedroom I am sure they can locate the meter somewhere else. However statutory power of entry means just that. It is a right bestowed on them by government that means they may effect entry to any premises regardless of if they have been given explicit permission (or even had it denied for that matter), and usually without need for any additional form of warrant. Gas and Electricity providers traditionally have this right so that they can legally correct potentially dangerous faults in private property without needing to get permission first. There are a few other bodies that have this power. Customs and Excise is one (not sure how that translates to the new HM Customs and Revenue.... how is that for a scary thought, the tax man breaking down your door!) There are others, but I can't remember them at the mo. I know all about the rights Gas/Manweb have on gaining entry to a premises. What I'm trying to explain is they do not have the right to enter the premises if the occupant/landord has stipulated that he does not want the Meter installed in the bedroom, however he has informed them that he has no objection to have it installed elsewhere in the property, either in the livingroom/hallway or backitchen, they then have to re-route the main pipe underground and near to where the meter will be situated. Sounds to me as they are avoiding ground work and looking to save themselves some hard work. Yep. I used to look at the property for the ideal meter locations, decide where the risers where and only then decide where the underground pipes would go. |They are doing it backwards to save time, effort and money. Well that is the private cowboy sector for you. So, one of your split personalities designed the meters, another supervised their installation, another has a DB6 and another has a Prius. Yet another spends his time flooding other peoples' houses with incorrectly made plastic joints Just how many multiple personalities reside inside your head ? -- geoff |
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In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes So were you in the public cowboy sector? Nope. Contracted on to the superb public sector which put the consumer first, not profit. So now you're telling us that the public sector contracted unqualified individuals to do work for consumers. I didn't tell you that at all. You need any Corgi crap to design. Only hands on people need to be Corgi. They insist you are educated in the field though. So are sheep -- geoff |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article ws.net, Doctor Drivel wrote: They insist you are educated in the field though. Explains it. More drivel having to be snipped. snip |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article ws.net, Doctor Drivel wrote: So were you in the public cowboy sector? Nope. Contracted on to the superb public sector which put the consumer first, not profit. You were contracted to BG? Explains it It does. snip babble |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article ws.net, Doctor Drivel wrote: Yep. I used to look at the property for the ideal meter locations, decide where the risers where and only then decide where the underground pipes would go. |They are doing it backwards to save time, effort and money. Well that is the private cowboy sector for you. The obvious More senile drivel to be snipped snip |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article ws.net, Doctor Drivel wrote: But you're not CORGI Maxie, you don't have to be Corgi to design. Provided .. the senile man here is locked up at night. Care in the community has failed, this one is vivid example. sniop |
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John Rumm wrote:
There are a few other bodies that have this power. Customs and Excise is one (not sure how that translates to the new HM Customs and Revenue.... how is that for a scary thought, the tax man breaking down your door!) There are others, but I can't remember them at the mo. Cue Richard Stillgoe (for those with long memories and grey beards :-) |
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wrote:
(for those with long memories and grey beards :-) And a girl with big teeth... hmmm dim and distant memory, but alas can not recall the lyrics! -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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"raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes "raden" wrote in message ... In message , Andy Hall writes On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:37:19 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" wrote: "raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes I used to design these things, Which one did you design ? and the last place you ever put one was in a bedroom. I only ever put one in a bedroom as there literally was no other location. But you're not CORGI Maxie, you don't to be Corgi to design. That is truly scary. What qualifications do you need? Obviously not an ability to put all the words in a sentence required to make it make sense Maxie, are you sure about that? So explain the sense in "Maxie, you don't to be Corgi to design" Maxie, ......means you. you ...........means you (collectively) don't .........as opposed to "have to" to be .........a part of Corgi ........cowboy outfit to design...creation. There you go Maxi. |
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"raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes "raden" wrote in message ... In message , Doctor Drivel writes "Andy Hall" wrote in message news On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:37:19 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" wrote: "raden" wrote in message ... In message ews.net, Doctor Drivel writes I used to design these things, Which one did you design ? and the last place you ever put one was in a bedroom. I only ever put one in a bedroom as there literally was no other location. But you're not CORGI Maxie, you don't have to be Corgi to design. That is truly scary. What qualifications do you need? To design? None. I'll ask again "Which one did you design ?" easy question and simple for you to answer Many, many of them. Maxie I was super brill. OK, just one of them would suffice, name one you designed Why Maxie? Are you a sneak? |
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"raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes "ben" wrote in message .uk... John Rumm wrote: ben wrote: and for them to fin a suitable location. If they say no tell them you will not allow them into the flat. You will probably find they have statutory power of entry if they want to get stroppy... Who from? If the Landord does not want Gas meter situated in the bedroom then they have no right of entry. I don't expect that in reality you will have any problem - even if they need to run a pipe through the bedroom I am sure they can locate the meter somewhere else. However statutory power of entry means just that. It is a right bestowed on them by government that means they may effect entry to any premises regardless of if they have been given explicit permission (or even had it denied for that matter), and usually without need for any additional form of warrant. Gas and Electricity providers traditionally have this right so that they can legally correct potentially dangerous faults in private property without needing to get permission first. There are a few other bodies that have this power. Customs and Excise is one (not sure how that translates to the new HM Customs and Revenue.... how is that for a scary thought, the tax man breaking down your door!) There are others, but I can't remember them at the mo. I know all about the rights Gas/Manweb have on gaining entry to a premises. What I'm trying to explain is they do not have the right to enter the premises if the occupant/landord has stipulated that he does not want the Meter installed in the bedroom, however he has informed them that he has no objection to have it installed elsewhere in the property, either in the livingroom/hallway or backitchen, they then have to re-route the main pipe underground and near to where the meter will be situated. Sounds to me as they are avoiding ground work and looking to save themselves some hard work. Yep. I used to look at the property for the ideal meter locations, decide where the risers where and only then decide where the underground pipes would go. |They are doing it backwards to save time, effort and money. Well that is the private cowboy sector for you. So, one of your split personalities Maxie...multi facetted. designed the meters, Not the meters themselves another supervised their installation, Yep. another has a DB6 A silver one. The part Maxie, the part. and another has a Prius. Best car in the world, Maxie. Yet another spends his time flooding other peoples' houses with incorrectly made plastic joints No Maxie, I don't use Speedfit. Maxie, you are confused. |
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"raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes "raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes "raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes I used to design these things, Which one did you design ? and the last place you ever put one was in a bedroom. I only ever put one in a bedroom as there literally was no other location. But you're not CORGI Maxie, you don't to be Corgi to design. "I only ever put one in a bedroom as there literally was no other location." is what I was referring to and you seem to have conveniently missed out "I used to design these things, Which one did you design ?" would you like to give a sensible answer please Maxie, you are very confused. Falling off that tree again wearing that frock and doing in your wrist has affected you. So you're lying ... again Maxie, I am not lying! You fell off the tree again wearing that frock. |
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"raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes So were you in the public cowboy sector? Nope. Contracted on to the superb public sector which put the consumer first, not profit. So now you're telling us that the public sector contracted unqualified individuals to do work for consumers. I didn't tell you that at all. You don't need any Corgi crap to design. Only hands on people need to be Corgi. They insist you are educated in the field though. So are sheep Did sheep fit your pipes Maxie? Pink sheep? |
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On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 10:59:23 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote: No Maxie, I don't use Speedfit. That's true. THe word's ab-use isn't it? -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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"Andy Hall" wrote in message news On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 10:59:23 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" wrote: No Maxie, I don't use Speedfit. That's true. THe word's ab-use isn't it? You are right, Speedfit do abuse the word pipefitting. |
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On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:28:55 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote: "Andy Hall" wrote in message news On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 10:59:23 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" wrote: No Maxie, I don't use Speedfit. That's true. THe word's ab-use isn't it? You are right, Speedfit do abuse the word pipefitting. Curious. I've never had any problems, but then I follow the maker's instructions. -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes I used to design these things, Which one did you design ? and the last place you ever put one was in a bedroom. I only ever put one in a bedroom as there literally was no other location. But you're not CORGI Maxie, you don't to be Corgi to design. That is truly scary. What qualifications do you need? Obviously not an ability to put all the words in a sentence required to make it make sense Maxie, are you sure about that? So explain the sense in "Maxie, you don't to be Corgi to design" Maxie, ......means you. you ...........means you (collectively) don't .........as opposed to "have to" to be .........a part of Corgi ........cowboy outfit to design...creation. There you go Maxi. Doesn't make sense, does it -- geoff |
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In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes I used to design these things, Which one did you design ? and the last place you ever put one was in a bedroom. I only ever put one in a bedroom as there literally was no other location. But you're not CORGI Maxie, you don't have to be Corgi to design. That is truly scary. What qualifications do you need? To design? None. I'll ask again "Which one did you design ?" easy question and simple for you to answer Many, many of them. Maxie I was super brill. OK, just one of them would suffice, name one you designed Why Maxie? Are you a sneak? As I said, I think you're lying You still haven't answered -- geoff |
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In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes "raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes "raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes "raden" wrote in message ... In message ews.net, Doctor Drivel writes I used to design these things, Which one did you design ? and the last place you ever put one was in a bedroom. I only ever put one in a bedroom as there literally was no other location. But you're not CORGI Maxie, you don't to be Corgi to design. "I only ever put one in a bedroom as there literally was no other location." is what I was referring to and you seem to have conveniently missed out "I used to design these things, Which one did you design ?" would you like to give a sensible answer please Maxie, you are very confused. Falling off that tree again wearing that frock and doing in your wrist has affected you. So you're lying ... again Maxie, I am not lying! The fact that you refuse to give a straight answer would indicate that you are -- geoff |
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"raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes I used to design these things, Which one did you design ? and the last place you ever put one was in a bedroom. I only ever put one in a bedroom as there literally was no other location. But you're not CORGI Maxie, you don't have to be Corgi to design. That is truly scary. What qualifications do you need? To design? None. I'll ask again "Which one did you design ?" easy question and simple for you to answer Many, many of them. Maxie I was super brill. OK, just one of them would suffice, name one you designed Why Maxie? Are you a sneak? As I said, I think you're lying I don't lie Maxie, I done countless conversion. Old mansions converted to many flats Very complex so they got me onto the job. |
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"raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes I used to design these things, Which one did you design ? and the last place you ever put one was in a bedroom. I only ever put one in a bedroom as there literally was no other location. But you're not CORGI Maxie, you don't to be Corgi to design. That is truly scary. What qualifications do you need? Obviously not an ability to put all the words in a sentence required to make it make sense Maxie, are you sure about that? So explain the sense in "Maxie, you don't to be Corgi to design" Maxie, ......means you. you ...........means you (collectively) don't .........as opposed to "have to" to be .........a part of Corgi ........cowboy outfit to design...creation. There you go Maxi. Doesn't make sense, does it Maxie, you have been on the pop or have severe brainache. |
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