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Gas meter location - any laws/regulation on this??
Transco are in the process of renewing the gas supply to the block of
flats I live in. At present, my gas meter is located in a cupboard within the flat, supplied by a central pipe that travels through the building. Transco have proposed to run a new pipe on the outside of my 3 storey block, with a pipe coming into my flat through the main bedroom with a meter here also. THe pipe will then run the length of the bedroom to join the existing pipe in the cupboard to supply the appliances. I am concerned about having a meter in my bedroom as my existing cupboard/meter combo always smells strongly of gas. Are there any regulations of safety guidance regarding the location of gas meters? I would appreciate any advice/guidance on this matter. Many thanks!! |
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I am concerned about having a meter in my bedroom as my existing cupboard/meter combo always smells strongly of gas. Then you have a leak. Make sure they replace the meter with a new one which does not leak! Alan. |
Alan wrote:
snip I am concerned about having a meter in my bedroom as my existing cupboard/meter combo always smells strongly of gas. Then you have a leak. Make sure they replace the meter with a new one which does not leak! Alan. Hmmm! I wonder why he's not sitting on the roof if its that strong a smell? a couple of hours and he should of been a shade of blue. |
In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes I used to design these things, Which one did you design ? and the last place you ever put one was in a bedroom. I only ever put one in a bedroom as there literally was no other location. But you're not CORGI -- geoff |
Doctor Drivel wrote:
and for them to fin a suitable location. If they say no tell them you will not allow them into the flat. You will probably find they have statutory power of entry if they want to get stroppy... -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
John Rumm wrote:
Doctor Drivel wrote: and for them to fin a suitable location. If they say no tell them you will not allow them into the flat. You will probably find they have statutory power of entry if they want to get stroppy... Who from? If the Landord does not want Gas meter situated in the bedroom then they have no right of entry. |
Doctor Drivel wrote:
"ben" wrote in message . uk... wrote: Transco are in the process of renewing the gas supply to the block of flats I live in. At present, my gas meter is located in a cupboard within the flat, supplied by a central pipe that travels through the building. Transco have proposed to run a new pipe on the outside of my 3 storey block, with a pipe coming into my flat through the main bedroom with a meter here also. THe pipe will then run the length of the bedroom to join the existing pipe in the cupboard to supply the appliances. I am concerned about having a meter in my bedroom as my existing cupboard/meter combo always smells strongly of gas. Are there any regulations of safety guidance regarding the location of gas meters? I would appreciate any advice/guidance on this matter. Many thanks!! Tell Transco your obejecting to this strongly and do not wish to have it like this. Its your flat that is where you live and they have to abide by what you want, not what they want as an easy route to install their piping. It is within regs to put the meter there. Gas meters should not smell at all. Get it seen to. Tell them you do not want the meter in the bedroom and for them to fin a suitable location. If they say no tell them you will not allow them into the flat. I used to design these things, and the last place you ever put one was in a bedroom. I only ever put one in a bedroom as there literally was no other location. I insisted on a spring door on the cupboard and a seal around the door. Apart from the obvious issue, my gas meter squeaks. I got it replaced - the new one squeaks a bit too. It's not really a problem in the kitchen, but would drive me nuts in the bedroom. Ben |
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Ben Blaukopf writes: Apart from the obvious issue, my gas meter squeaks. I got it replaced - the new one squeaks a bit too. It's not really a problem in the kitchen, but would drive me nuts in the bedroom. My parents use to have one which sounded like someone snoring... -- Andrew Gabriel |
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:11:34 GMT, "ben" wrote:
wrote: Transco are in the process of renewing the gas supply to the block of flats I live in. At present, my gas meter is located in a cupboard within the flat, supplied by a central pipe that travels through the building. Transco have proposed to run a new pipe on the outside of my 3 storey block, with a pipe coming into my flat through the main bedroom with a meter here also. THe pipe will then run the length of the bedroom to join the existing pipe in the cupboard to supply the appliances. I am concerned about having a meter in my bedroom as my existing cupboard/meter combo always smells strongly of gas. Are there any regulations of safety guidance regarding the location of gas meters? I would appreciate any advice/guidance on this matter. Many thanks!! Tell Transco your obejecting to this strongly and do not wish to have it like this. Its your flat that is where you live and they have to abide by what you want, not what they want as an easy route to install their piping. Fraid not,,he can quite reasonably ask for an explanation as to the choice of the new meter position but fact is that it is no longer permissable to have any great length of live gas main/service within a premise and the live service should ideally be outside the premise(outside meterbox) or terminate as soon as possible within the premise. To ensure that this happens,service entry tees (the bit the main on/off valve fits on) are manufactured to specific shortest possible sizes. This is a common situation,,for example,flat where the service riser went up internally in the block or an ordinary house where the service emerged somehwere centrally in the house from under the wooden floor or concrete raft. In all such situations,the new service entry would be sited to the periphery of the property,i.e external wall. The only exceptions apply to tall multistory blocks which still have internal risers but there are special regs/provisions for this relating to support,fireproofing ,ventilation and regular inspection Remove antispam and add 670 after bra to email Be a good Global citizen-CONSUMECONFORMOBEY Circumcision- A crime and an abuse. http://www.sexuallymutilatedchild.org/ |
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 04:52:19 +0100, John Rumm
wrote: Doctor Drivel wrote: and for them to fin a suitable location. If they say no tell them you will not allow them into the flat. You will probably find they have statutory power of entry if they want to get stroppy... Trust me,no one is getting stroppy,, Trandco is just proposing the renew the main in the interests of customer safety. Current regs prevent renewal to the existing position and therefore it needs to be compliant with the latest regs,i.e outside wall entry,no probs,just speak to people,no need for strops/creating difficulties that arent there! Remove antispam and add 670 after bra to email Be a good Global citizen-CONSUMECONFORMOBEY Circumcision- A crime and an abuse. http://www.sexuallymutilatedchild.org/ |
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:33:55 GMT, "ben" wrote:
John Rumm wrote: Doctor Drivel wrote: and for them to fin a suitable location. If they say no tell them you will not allow them into the flat. You will probably find they have statutory power of entry if they want to get stroppy... Who from? If the Landord does not want Gas meter situated in the bedroom then they have no right of entry. But then the landlord may find that his tenant has no gas supply when the mains are renewed! Remove antispam and add 670 after bra to email Be a good Global citizen-CONSUMECONFORMOBEY Circumcision- A crime and an abuse. http://www.sexuallymutilatedchild.org/ |
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:03:10 +0100, "Alan"
wrote: snip I am concerned about having a meter in my bedroom as my existing cupboard/meter combo always smells strongly of gas. Then you have a leak. Make sure they replace the meter with a new one which does not leak! Alan. Yes indeed but then maybe the householder will report it first! Remove antispam and add 670 after bra to email Be a good Global citizen-CONSUMECONFORMOBEY Circumcision- A crime and an abuse. http://www.sexuallymutilatedchild.org/ |
tarquinlinbin wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:33:55 GMT, "ben" wrote: John Rumm wrote: Doctor Drivel wrote: and for them to fin a suitable location. If they say no tell them you will not allow them into the flat. You will probably find they have statutory power of entry if they want to get stroppy... Who from? If the Landord does not want Gas meter situated in the bedroom then they have no right of entry. But then the landlord may find that his tenant has no gas supply when the mains are renewed! Remove antispam and add 670 after bra to email Be a good Global citizen-CONSUMECONFORMOBEY Circumcision- A crime and an abuse. http://www.sexuallymutilatedchild.org/ I dont think anyone in their right mind would have a gas meter installed in their bedroom, colud be a wind up from the OP, but never the less..No way would that happen and should'nt happen. The only time I know of a gas meter being installed in a bedroom when its a bedsit. |
tarquinlinbin wrote:
.... be sited to the periphery of the property,i.e external wall. The only exceptions apply to tall multistory blocks which still have internal risers but there are special regs/provisions for this relating to support,fireproofing ,ventilation and regular inspection Remove antispam and add 670 after bra to email Be a good Global citizen-CONSUMECONFORMOBEY Circumcision- A crime and an abuse. http://www.sexuallymutilatedchild.org/ Can you fix your signature please - it should be preceeded by a new line and -- thanks :D -- Alex Meaden Technical Support Officer Computing Service University of Kent |
ben wrote:
and for them to fin a suitable location. If they say no tell them you will not allow them into the flat. You will probably find they have statutory power of entry if they want to get stroppy... Who from? If the Landord does not want Gas meter situated in the bedroom then they have no right of entry. I don't expect that in reality you will have any problem - even if they need to run a pipe through the bedroom I am sure they can locate the meter somewhere else. However statutory power of entry means just that. It is a right bestowed on them by government that means they may effect entry to any premises regardless of if they have been given explicit permission (or even had it denied for that matter), and usually without need for any additional form of warrant. Gas and Electricity providers traditionally have this right so that they can legally correct potentially dangerous faults in private property without needing to get permission first. There are a few other bodies that have this power. Customs and Excise is one (not sure how that translates to the new HM Customs and Revenue.... how is that for a scary thought, the tax man breaking down your door!) There are others, but I can't remember them at the mo. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
John Rumm wrote:
ben wrote: and for them to fin a suitable location. If they say no tell them you will not allow them into the flat. You will probably find they have statutory power of entry if they want to get stroppy... Who from? If the Landord does not want Gas meter situated in the bedroom then they have no right of entry. I don't expect that in reality you will have any problem - even if they need to run a pipe through the bedroom I am sure they can locate the meter somewhere else. However statutory power of entry means just that. It is a right bestowed on them by government that means they may effect entry to any premises regardless of if they have been given explicit permission (or even had it denied for that matter), and usually without need for any additional form of warrant. Gas and Electricity providers traditionally have this right so that they can legally correct potentially dangerous faults in private property without needing to get permission first. There are a few other bodies that have this power. Customs and Excise is one (not sure how that translates to the new HM Customs and Revenue.... how is that for a scary thought, the tax man breaking down your door!) There are others, but I can't remember them at the mo. I know all about the rights Gas/Manweb have on gaining entry to a premises. What I'm trying to explain is they do not have the right to enter the premises if the occupant/landord has stipulated that he does not want the Meter installed in the bedroom, however he has informed them that he has no objection to have it installed elsewhere in the property, either in the livingroom/hallway or backitchen, they then have to re-route the main pipe underground and near to where the meter will be situated. Sounds to me as they are avoiding ground work and looking to save themselves some hard work. |
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:54:52 GMT, "ben" wrote:
tarquinlinbin wrote: On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:33:55 GMT, "ben" wrote: John Rumm wrote: Doctor Drivel wrote: and for them to fin a suitable location. If they say no tell them you will not allow them into the flat. You will probably find they have statutory power of entry if they want to get stroppy... Who from? If the Landord does not want Gas meter situated in the bedroom then they have no right of entry. But then the landlord may find that his tenant has no gas supply when the mains are renewed! Remove antispam and add 670 after bra to email Be a good Global citizen-CONSUMECONFORMOBEY Circumcision- A crime and an abuse. http://www.sexuallymutilatedchild.org/ I dont think anyone in their right mind would have a gas meter installed in their bedroom, colud be a wind up from the OP, but never the less..No way would that happen and should'nt happen. The only time I know of a gas meter being installed in a bedroom when its a bedsit. I dont see that it really matters as long as it is not a visual intrusion. If it can be accomodated in a cupboard and its not in the way then it sounds fine to me. Remove antispam and add 670 after bra to email Be a good Global citizen-CONSUMECONFORMOBEY Circumcision- A crime and an abuse. http://www.sexuallymutilatedchild.org/ |
"Doctor Drivel" wrote:
I used to design these things Yes, of course you did DINKY 10 15mm Tees and a thermocouple -- |
Just to update everyone.. the work has gone ahead - pipes have been
fitted, with the meter being moved on monday. It seems that this was the last resort due to various different parties' involvement/interests. They are due to box in the meter early next week - is there any particular method for this that would be preferable? An earlier post mentioned a spring door and seal arrangement. |
"raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes I used to design these things, Which one did you design ? and the last place you ever put one was in a bedroom. I only ever put one in a bedroom as there literally was no other location. But you're not CORGI Maxie, you don't to be Corgi to design. |
"John Rumm" wrote in message ... Doctor Drivel wrote: and for them to fin a suitable location. If they say no tell them you will not allow them into the flat. You will probably find they have statutory power of entry if they want to get stroppy... To do what? All they can do is cut of from the outside. They can only charge down a door unless they suspect an imminent explosion. |
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:37:19 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote: "raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes I used to design these things, Which one did you design ? and the last place you ever put one was in a bedroom. I only ever put one in a bedroom as there literally was no other location. But you're not CORGI Maxie, you don't to be Corgi to design. That is truly scary. What qualifications do you need? -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
In article , ben
writes Alan wrote: snip I am concerned about having a meter in my bedroom as my existing cupboard/meter combo always smells strongly of gas. Then you have a leak. Make sure they replace the meter with a new one which does not leak! Alan. Hmmm! I wonder why he's not sitting on the roof if its that strong a smell? a couple of hours and he should of been a shade of blue. Why? natural gas isn't poisonous. -- Tim Mitchell |
In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes "raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes I used to design these things, Which one did you design ? and the last place you ever put one was in a bedroom. I only ever put one in a bedroom as there literally was no other location. But you're not CORGI Maxie, you don't to be Corgi to design. "I only ever put one in a bedroom as there literally was no other location." is what I was referring to and you seem to have conveniently missed out "I used to design these things, Which one did you design ?" would you like to give a sensible answer please -- geoff |
In message , Andy Hall
writes On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:37:19 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" wrote: "raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes I used to design these things, Which one did you design ? and the last place you ever put one was in a bedroom. I only ever put one in a bedroom as there literally was no other location. But you're not CORGI Maxie, you don't to be Corgi to design. That is truly scary. What qualifications do you need? Obviously not an ability to put all the words in a sentence required to make it make sense -- geoff |
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:05:47 -0700, v.yare wrote:
Transco are in the process of renewing the gas supply to the block of flats I live in. At present, my gas meter is located in a cupboard within the flat, supplied by a central pipe that travels through the building. Transco have proposed to run a new pipe on the outside of my 3 storey block, with a pipe coming into my flat through the main bedroom with a meter here also. THe pipe will then run the length of the bedroom to join the existing pipe in the cupboard to supply the appliances. I am concerned about having a meter in my bedroom as my existing cupboard/meter combo always smells strongly of gas. Are there any regulations of safety guidance regarding the location of gas meters? I would appreciate any advice/guidance on this matter. There should never be a smell of gas from any gas appliance indoors. If there is, then there is a problem. Call 0800 111 999 and get them out to fix it. If you are very unlucky the leak is on your pipework and they will simply turn the gas off and tell you to get someone to fix the leak in your cupboard. However there is a very good chance that the leak is on there meter or their pipe work. It may well be that the leak is very small nevertheless any smell of gas indoors is a problem, if for no other reason than it may mask a bigger more serious leak later on which no one takes any notice of. If the new meter has remote reading then apart from the pipework (route no doubt chosen to minimise their work), there is really no problem. -- Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter. The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html |
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:37:19 +0100, Doctor Drivel wrote:
"raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes I used to design these things, Which one did you design ? and the last place you ever put one was in a bedroom. I only ever put one in a bedroom as there literally was no other location. But you're not CORGI Maxie, you don't to be Corgi to design. Blimey gas fitting with a pencil this is worse than I thought. -- Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter. The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html |
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 04:52:19 +0100, John Rumm wrote:
Doctor Drivel wrote: and for them to fin a suitable location. If they say no tell them you will not allow them into the flat. You will probably find they have statutory power of entry if they want to get stroppy... In this case they probably don't have powers of forcible entry (unless they suspected a dangerous situation). However you simply won't have gas any more. -- Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter. The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html |
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 22:11:10 +0000, ben wrote:
Alan wrote: snip I am concerned about having a meter in my bedroom as my existing cupboard/meter combo always smells strongly of gas. Then you have a leak. Make sure they replace the meter with a new one which does not leak! Alan. Hmmm! I wonder why he's not sitting on the roof if its that strong a smell? a couple of hours and he should of been a shade of blue. The old manufactured gas was highly toxic and a concentration much less that lower explosive limit was fatal in minutes. Natural gas is much less toxic. However gas leaks need to be fixed - because some of them are serious and any leak might be just such. -- Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter. The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html |
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:14:50 +0100, Ed Sirett
wrote: On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:37:19 +0100, Doctor Drivel wrote: "raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes I used to design these things, Which one did you design ? and the last place you ever put one was in a bedroom. I only ever put one in a bedroom as there literally was no other location. But you're not CORGI Maxie, you don't to be Corgi to design. Blimey gas fitting with a pencil this is worse than I thought. Oh sure. Probably a clipboard as well. -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:37:19 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" wrote: "raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes I used to design these things, Which one did you design ? and the last place you ever put one was in a bedroom. I only ever put one in a bedroom as there literally was no other location. But you're not CORGI Maxie, you don't have to be Corgi to design. That is truly scary. What qualifications do you need? To design? None. |
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 23:08:00 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote: "Andy Hall" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:37:19 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" wrote: "raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes I used to design these things, Which one did you design ? and the last place you ever put one was in a bedroom. I only ever put one in a bedroom as there literally was no other location. But you're not CORGI Maxie, you don't have to be Corgi to design. That is truly scary. What qualifications do you need? To design? None. Now I believe you can have done it.... -- ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
In message , Doctor Drivel
writes "Andy Hall" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:37:19 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" wrote: "raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes I used to design these things, Which one did you design ? and the last place you ever put one was in a bedroom. I only ever put one in a bedroom as there literally was no other location. But you're not CORGI Maxie, you don't have to be Corgi to design. That is truly scary. What qualifications do you need? To design? None. I'll ask again "Which one did you design ?" easy question and simple for you to answer -- geoff |
"raden" wrote in message ... In message , Andy Hall writes On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:37:19 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" wrote: "raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes I used to design these things, Which one did you design ? and the last place you ever put one was in a bedroom. I only ever put one in a bedroom as there literally was no other location. But you're not CORGI Maxie, you don't to be Corgi to design. That is truly scary. What qualifications do you need? Obviously not an ability to put all the words in a sentence required to make it make sense Maxie, are you sure about that? |
"raden" wrote in message ... In message , Doctor Drivel writes "Andy Hall" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:37:19 +0100, "Doctor Drivel" wrote: "raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes I used to design these things, Which one did you design ? and the last place you ever put one was in a bedroom. I only ever put one in a bedroom as there literally was no other location. But you're not CORGI Maxie, you don't have to be Corgi to design. That is truly scary. What qualifications do you need? To design? None. I'll ask again "Which one did you design ?" easy question and simple for you to answer Many, many of them. Maxie I was super brill. |
"raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes "raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes I used to design these things, Which one did you design ? and the last place you ever put one was in a bedroom. I only ever put one in a bedroom as there literally was no other location. But you're not CORGI Maxie, you don't to be Corgi to design. "I only ever put one in a bedroom as there literally was no other location." is what I was referring to and you seem to have conveniently missed out "I used to design these things, Which one did you design ?" would you like to give a sensible answer please Maxie, you are very confused. Falling off that tree again wearing that frock and doing in your wrist has affected you. |
"Ed Sirett" wrote in message n.co.uk... On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:37:19 +0100, Doctor Drivel wrote: "raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes I used to design these things, Which one did you design ? and the last place you ever put one was in a bedroom. I only ever put one in a bedroom as there literally was no other location. But you're not CORGI Maxie, you don't to be Corgi to design. Blimey gas fitting with a pencil this is worse than I thought. You want to try some of it instead of going by rule of thumb and old wives tales. |
"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:14:50 +0100, Ed Sirett wrote: On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:37:19 +0100, Doctor Drivel wrote: "raden" wrote in message ... In message ws.net, Doctor Drivel writes I used to design these things, Which one did you design ? and the last place you ever put one was in a bedroom. I only ever put one in a bedroom as there literally was no other location. But you're not CORGI Maxie, you don't to be Corgi to design. Blimey gas fitting with a pencil this is worse than I thought. Oh sure. Probably a clipboard as well. Must have a clipboard. |
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