Following a recent "discussion" in this NG ...

"http://www.zdnet.com.au/newstech/ebusiness/story/0,2000048590,20277192,0
0.htm

It might be the world's most widely distributed e-mail client, but
Microsoft has confirmed that it has no intention of further developing
Outlook Express."

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"geoff" wrote in message
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Following a recent "discussion" in this NG ...

"http://www.zdnet.com.au/newstech/ebusiness/story/0,2000048590,20277192,0
0.htm

It might be the world's most widely distributed e-mail client, but
Microsoft has confirmed that it has no intention of further developing
Outlook Express."

What other decent newsgroup editor/browser is available that is free?



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On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 00:40:11 +0100, "IMM" wrote:


"geoff" wrote in message
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Following a recent "discussion" in this NG ...

"http://www.zdnet.com.au/newstech/ebusiness/story/0,2000048590,20277192,0
0.htm

It might be the world's most widely distributed e-mail client, but
Microsoft has confirmed that it has no intention of further developing
Outlook Express."

What other decent newsgroup editor/browser is available that is free?


Cheapskate :-). Why do you expect everything for free? Somebody put
a lot of work into that software...... :-)

Forte Agent is pretty good. There is a free version and inexpensive
paid version.

There's a lot more configurability than Outlook Exploder and does not
take much acclimatisation.




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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 00:40:11 +0100, "IMM" wrote:


"geoff" wrote in message
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Following a recent "discussion" in this NG ...


"http://www.zdnet.com.au/newstech/ebusiness/story/0,2000048590,20277192,0
0.htm

It might be the world's most widely distributed e-mail client, but
Microsoft has confirmed that it has no intention of further developing
Outlook Express."

What other decent newsgroup editor/browser is available that is free?


Cheapskate :-). Why do you expect everything for free? Somebody put
a lot of work into that software...... :-)

Forte Agent is pretty good. There is a free version and inexpensive
paid version.

There's a lot more configurability than Outlook Exploder and does not
take much acclimatisation.




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main problem with Agent and infact a lot of other news readers is the lack
of native SSL suport

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"geoff" wrote in message
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Following a recent "discussion" in this NG ...

"http://www.zdnet.com.au/newstech/ebusiness/story/0,2000048590,20277192,0
0.htm

It might be the world's most widely distributed e-mail client, but
Microsoft has confirmed that it has no intention of further developing
Outlook Express."

What other decent newsgroup editor/browser is available that is free?

Sorry, If I told you, I'd have to kill you

Well John, you could try Mozilla and Xnews for a start
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So you mean OE - RIP, not IE ?!

"geoff" wrote in message
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Following a recent "discussion" in this NG ...

"http://www.zdnet.com.au/newstech/ebusiness/story/0,2000048590,20277192,0
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It might be the world's most widely distributed e-mail client, but
Microsoft has confirmed that it has no intention of further developing
Outlook Express."

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In article , abuse-imm (a) writes:

a What other decent newsgroup editor/browser is available that is free?

Given the group, shouldn't you be writing your own.

on the rare occasions I have needed to read news on windows I have
used free Agent. Good enough that I actually bought the full version.

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writes
What other decent newsgroup editor/browser is available that is free?

I know some uber geeks and they all use Opera
http://www.opera.com/
I don't have it myself because I mainly use my works PC for surfing :-)
^^^^^^^
IRTA "stuffing"...

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NickW wrote:

I know some uber geeks and they all use Opera

http://www.opera.com/

I don't have it myself because I mainly use my works PC for surfing :-)

Opera is a great browser, and used to be a good mail client
(pre-m2), but the newsreader sucks.

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In article , Imm wrote:
What other decent newsgroup editor/browser is available that
is free?

For newsgroups and mail I have used Virtual Access and its
predecessors for ten years+

http://www.atlantic-coast.com/va/index.htm

Arguably it falls into the category of programs that are a bit
too clever: if you stick with it you'll probably love it, but
new users might find it too much.

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On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 01:19:13 +0100, Andy Hall
wrote:


Somebody put a lot of work into that software...... :-)

Are you sure this is IE you're talking about? Looks more like it was a
nobody, and they didn't! ;O)

Take Care,
Gnube
{too thick for linux}

On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 02:03:58 +0100, "Frank"
wrote:

main problem with Agent and infact a lot of other news readers is the lack
of native SSL suport

I'd not be surprised if I got this wrong, but isn't that a Microsoft
ploy to make the competition seem less attractive, and isn't security
MS's major bug bear at present? According to the news of the last 36
hours, this "Blaster" thing seems to be making that point as I heard
it. I realise it's only news at all because it's "the silly season",
or we'd never have heard a word of it, but this is how it's being
presented in the news just now.

Take Care,
Gnube
{too thick for linux}

On 13 Aug 2003 23:55:56 -0700, (NickW) wrote:

What other decent newsgroup editor/browser is available that is free?

I know some uber geeks and they all use Opera

http://www.opera.com/

I resemble that remark! ;O) I am not an uber geek, but I use it and
have done since version 4! - oops, may have just shot self in foot
with that admission! ;O)

Take Care,
Gnube
{too thick for linux}

On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 03:52:40 GMT, Exiddor wrote:

On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 00:40:11 +0100, IMM wrote:

[...]
What other decent newsgroup editor/browser is available that is free?

Dialog. See http://www.40tude.com/dialog/

Tried that, and while interesting, it din't work for me, shame as it
looked quite promising at first, but the bugs got the better of my
patience in the end, and that's how I came to stop using IE.

Take Care,
Gnube
{too thick for linux}

On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:36:54 +0100, Harvey Van Sickle
wrote:

For well-regarded freeware of all kinds, take a look at
www.pricelessware.org: they only list entirely free programs, and the
results are from an annual vote by the readers of alt.comp.freeware.

I'll give them a look over, another is webattack.com - they have a
freeware section which has served me very well a lot of the time,
better than average to be honest.

Take Care,
Gnube
{too thick for linux}

In article , IMM
ventured...

What other decent newsgroup editor/browser is available that is free?


I've been using MicroPlanet Gravity for some time. It supports
filtering, kill files, etc. Unfortunately it's no longer officially
supported, but I've just found these pages which offer some hope:

http://lightning.prohosting.com/~tba...ty/start1.html

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On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:07:04 +0100, Troy wrote:

I've been using Dialog for some time and find it excellent. I did have
problems with it when I was using Windows ME but since changing to XP
they'e mostly disappeared :-)

Well, I've been running Dialog under Windows ME without problems for more
than 2 years.

I used Agent for many years and never thought I'd change, but for me
Dialog
is what Agent *should* have been by now.

Yep, my feelings exactly.

Is it free and downloadable? And from where?


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IMM wrote:

Is it free and downloadable? And from where?

This link was posted earlier in the thread. I'm just checking it out
myself.

http://www.40tude.com/dialog/

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IMM wrote:

Is it free and downloadable? And from where?

This link was posted earlier in the thread. I'm just checking it out
myself.

http://www.40tude.com/dialog/

BEN -IMM is our Clockwork Orange
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:08:28 GMT, Grunff wrote

IMM wrote:

Is it free and downloadable?

Why does everything have to be free? When you buy plumbing
fittings (Marley Equator I believe), do you ask if there's a
free version?

Whilst I agree entirely with this as a general point, the question that
set off this discussion -- about 6 posts back -- was "What other decent
newsgroup editor/browser is available that is free?".

So the follow-up question was entirely consistent in a thread which is
discussing that sub-group of news clients which are free, as opposed to
the other sub-group of paid-for products.

(I like free stuff; I'm very happy to pay for programs that do
something I want; but I've got no problem separating the discussion of
the two sub-groups.)


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geoff wrote:
Following a recent "discussion" in this NG ...

"http://www.zdnet.com.au/newstech/ebusiness/story/0,2000048590,20277192,0
0.htm

It might be the world's most widely distributed e-mail client, but
Microsoft has confirmed that it has no intention of further developing
Outlook Express."

Well, I'm far from a fan of Micro$oft but I've tried all those recommended
here and others and OE knocks spots of them for ease of use.

"Grunff" wrote in message
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IMM wrote:

Is it free and downloadable?

Why does everything have to be free? When you buy plumbing
fittings (Marley Equator I believe), do you ask if there's a
free version?

I don't know of any free pipe fittings, but there is lots of free software
about. So why pay?

Will you please put me on your killfile.


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"Capitol" wrote in message
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geoff wrote in message ...

Following a recent "discussion" in this NG ...

"http://www.zdnet.com.au/newstech/ebusiness/story/0,2000048590,20277192,0
0.htm

It might be the world's most widely distributed e-mail client, but
Microsoft has confirmed that it has no intention of further developing
Outlook Express."

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As I understand it, it will be supplanted by MS Outlook. Still be a
sensible
top posting system.

Outlook does not support a newsreader only Outlook Express. Outlook is a
half cocked attempt to emulate Lotus Notes.


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BillR wrote:

Well, I'm far from a fan of Micro$oft but I've tried all those recommended
here and others and OE knocks spots of them for ease of use.

Yes, many virus writers would echo your thoughts...

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IMM wrote:

Will you please put me on your killfile.

That is quite possibly the stupidest request I've ever had!!

If someone's ****ing you off, you don't beg them to killfile
you, you killfile them. Which part of that logic defeats you?

Why should you read my wisdom! Killfile me, me old boy!


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IMM wrote in message ...
Outlook does not support a newsreader only Outlook Express. Outlook is a
half cocked attempt to emulate Lotus Notes.


That's the current version. Wait and see!!
Regards
Capitol

IMM wrote:

Why should you read my wisdom! Killfile me, me old boy!

I find your posts entertaining in a curious perverse way - the
Usenet equivalent of rubbernecking.

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On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:46:21 UTC, Grunff wrote:

IMM wrote:

Will you please put me on your killfile.

That is quite possibly the stupidest request I've ever had!!

If someone's ****ing you off, you don't beg them to killfile
you, you killfile them. Which part of that logic defeats you?

It is already evident that most (if not all) logic defeats IMM.

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Bob Eager wrote:

It is already evident that most (if not all) logic defeats IMM.

I know, I know, I just can't help baiting him.

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I like it!
Regards
Capitol
Andy Hall wrote in message ...
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:09:12 +0100, "Capitol"
wrote:


IMM wrote in message ...
Outlook does not support a newsreader only Outlook Express. Outlook is a
half cocked attempt to emulate Lotus Notes.


That's the current version. Wait and see!!
Regards
Capitol


God called a meeting of George Bush, Vladimir Putin and Bill Gates and
said: "I've given you all the tools you needed to make a better world
- you've blown it and I'm ending the world in two weeks."
George Bush went on TV and said "I have good news and bad news. The
good news is that God exists. The bad news is that the world will end
in two weeks."

Vladimir Putin called his advisors together and said "I have bad news
and really bad news. The bad news is that God exists. The really bad
news is that the world will end in two weeks."

Bill Gates called his company groupies together and said "I have good
news and really good news. The good news is that God thinks I am one
of the three most powerful people in the world. The really good news
is that we don't have to fix the bugs in Outlook Express"

.andy

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On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:46:21 UTC, Grunff wrote:

IMM wrote:

Will you please put me on your killfile.

That is quite possibly the stupidest request I've ever had!!

If someone's ****ing you off, you don't beg them to killfile
you, you killfile them. Which part of that logic defeats you?

It is already evident that most (if not all) logic defeats IMM.

It is clear that you would not know logic if it slapped you in the face.


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On 14 Aug 2003 22:14:24 GMT, (Bob Eager) wrote:

On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:46:21 UTC, Grunff wrote:

IMM wrote:

Will you please put me on your killfile.

That is quite possibly the stupidest request I've ever had!!

If someone's ****ing you off, you don't beg them to killfile
you, you killfile them. Which part of that logic defeats you?

It is already evident that most (if not all) logic defeats IMM.

I wonder if it's a matter/anti-matter thing?

"The engines will nae take it captain", etc...



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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On 14 Aug 2003 22:14:24 GMT, (Bob Eager) wrote:

On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:46:21 UTC, Grunff wrote:

IMM wrote:

Will you please put me on your killfile.

That is quite possibly the stupidest request I've ever had!!

If someone's ****ing you off, you don't beg them to killfile
you, you killfile them. Which part of that logic defeats you?

It is already evident that most (if not all) logic defeats IMM.

I wonder if it's a matter/anti-matter thing?

"The engines will nae take it captain", etc...

So you are one of those too. I always wondered what sort of people watched
Sky 1.


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IMM wrote:

So you watch Sky 1 too. Boy this ng is full of spotters.......who wear CAT
boots. My God!!

Don't have Sky, or CAT boots. Don't believe in God either.

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IMM wrote:

So you watch Sky 1 too. Boy this ng is full of spotters.......who wear
CAT
boots. My God!!

Don't have Sky, or CAT boots. Don't believe in God either.

Are you the anti-Christ?


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IMM wrote:

Don't have Sky, or CAT boots. Don't believe in God either.

Are you the anti-Christ?

What, because I don't wear CAT boots? Because I don't have Sky?

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On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:28:17 +0100, "IMM" wrote:


"Grunff" wrote in message
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IMM wrote:

So you are one of those too. I always wondered what sort of people
watched
Sky 1.

Now look here - you can say what you like about magnetic water
softeners, talk as much crap as you like about insulation, and
come up with all manner of bizzare theories which violate all
known laws of physics,

Do you know what physics is?

but I *won't* hear a word against Star Trek.

So you watch Sky 1 too. Boy this ng is full of spotters.......who wear CAT
boots. My God!!

What did you want?



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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:28:17 +0100, "IMM" wrote:


"Grunff" wrote in message
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IMM wrote:

So you are one of those too. I always wondered what sort of people
watched
Sky 1.

Now look here - you can say what you like about magnetic water
softeners, talk as much crap as you like about insulation, and
come up with all manner of bizzare theories which violate all
known laws of physics,

Do you know what physics is?

but I *won't* hear a word against Star Trek.

So you watch Sky 1 too. Boy this ng is full of spotters.......who wear
CAT
boots. My God!!

What did you want?

Another spotter!


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IMM wrote:
So you watch Sky 1 too. Boy this ng is full of spotters.......who wear
CAT boots. My God!!

Absolutely. Your DeWalts are much more fetching.

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IMM wrote:

Because of everything.

Do you ever actually read your posts? Do they make sense in your
world?

"Are you the antiChrist..."
"Why..."
"Because of everything"

??

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