Having moved on from water softners (don;t think that after all that, I'll
have one), the next task is to choose a septic tank...

Any makers to avoid? Need something that takes little space and is good for
a family of 5. Preferably all aerators etc. fixable from the top.

Ideas?

Thanks

Mike

"Mike Deblis" wrote in message
...
Having moved on from water softners (don;t think that after all that, I'll
have one), the next task is to choose a septic tank...

Any makers to avoid? Need something that takes little space and is good
for
a family of 5. Preferably all aerators etc. fixable from the top.


If you are near Peterborough go to the Homebuilding and Renovation show next
weekend (one after ?) and you'll be able to have a look at all the major
products as they all usually come to these shows.

Any makers to avoid? Need something that takes little space and is good
for
a family of 5. Preferably all aerators etc. fixable from the top.


Before you do anything else you need to apply for consent to the Environment
Agency. Assuming they agree, and they may insist on an alternative such as
an underground treatment plant, you will also need Building Control approval
as well.

Peter Crosland

"Peter Crosland" wrote in message
...
Any makers to avoid? Need something that takes little space and is good
for
a family of 5. Preferably all aerators etc. fixable from the top.


Before you do anything else you need to apply for consent to the
Environment
Agency. Assuming they agree, and they may insist on an alternative such as
an underground treatment plant, you will also need Building Control
approval
as well.

We have that already - We have to move or septic tank from a neighbour's
property to our own (letting the easement go), so we have obtained approval
(took weeks) for both the tank and a soakaway. It' snow down to which tank
to use...

Mike

Having moved on from water softners (don;t think that after all that, I'll
have one), the next task is to choose a septic tank...

Klargester Biodisc. Settle for nothing less.

Christian.

On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:02:50 +0100, "Christian McArdle"
wrote:

Klargester Biodisc. Settle for nothing less.

Why is that ? What's the big advantage of these things?

AFAIK, they have moving parts and require electrickery. Neither of these
are attractive features. Is it worth it?

Why is that ? What's the big advantage of these things?

It's the difference in the output. A Klargester output is pretty close to
pure water whilst a septic tank usually outputs only partially treated
sewage. The Environment Agency often insists on proper treatment, rather
than a septic tank.

Septic tanks aren't as effective as they used to be due to increased
detergent use making the anaerobic bacteria they use less viable. A biodisc
constant aerates the water, allowing much more robust aerobic bacteria to do
the work. A septic tank will usually require more maintenance and pumping
due to the lower reliability.

AFAIK, they have moving parts and require electrickery. Neither of these
are attractive features. Is it worth it?

Yes. However, if you really worry about the electricity/moving parts, they
do another model called the Airflow which has neither, but I suspect isn't
quite as effective, and might be considerably larger, although I'm not sure
about this.

Christian.

"Christian McArdle" wrote in message
t...
Having moved on from water softners (don;t think that after all that,
I'll
have one), the next task is to choose a septic tank...

Klargester Biodisc. Settle for nothing less.

No way. The motor sits right next to the crap. There are units on the
market operating in the same manner which put all the electrics where they
should be - outside on the top.

"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:02:50 +0100, "Christian McArdle"
wrote:

Klargester Biodisc. Settle for nothing less.

Why is that ? What's the big advantage of these things?

AFAIK, they have moving parts and require electrickery. Neither of these
are attractive features. Is it worth it?

I think they are moreorless compulsory for new installations. But as yours
is a move it may be okay to have a normal septic tank but I would check with
the EA.

Mike Deblis wrote:

Having moved on from water softners (don;t think that after all that, I'll
have one), the next task is to choose a septic tank...

Any makers to avoid? Need something that takes little space and is good for
a family of 5. Preferably all aerators etc. fixable from the top.


Klargester biodisc is deep and not wide, and provided that its not ABOVE
your shiot level and thereforre needing a **** pump to raise the stiff,
very reliable.

Expect to spend 5-7k plues any extra piping, installed.


Ideas?

Thanks

Mike

Christian McArdle wrote:

Having moved on from water softners (don;t think that after all that, I'll
have one), the next task is to choose a septic tank...


Klargester Biodisc. Settle for nothing less.

Christian.


Hear hear!

Not a whiff from mine after three years. The pulley fell off the motor
(not tightened down maybe) after three years. So I had to empty it.
Didn't really need it tho..

Andy Dingley wrote:

On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:02:50 +0100, "Christian McArdle"
wrote:


Klargester Biodisc. Settle for nothing less.


Why is that ? What's the big advantage of these things?

AFAIK, they have moving parts and require electrickery. Neither of these
are attractive features. Is it worth it?

Yes. There are only two moving parts - the motor and the disk assembly.

They produce whiffless bog treament and clean water out. No nasty sniffs
down the garden.

Laying an underground cable is no extra hassle if you are relaying the
drains anyway. Shove some armourded cable under the drain in the shingle.

Mike wrote:

"Christian McArdle" wrote in message
t...

Having moved on from water softners (don;t think that after all that,

I'll

have one), the next task is to choose a septic tank...

Klargester Biodisc. Settle for nothing less.


No way. The motor sits right next to the crap. There are units on the
market operating in the same manner which put all the electrics where they
should be - outside on the top.


They have redesigned it so all the motor parts are in a little
compartment that doesn't get the crap in.

I talked to the service engineer - he says reliablility is hugely
improvced with motor and gearbox life typically being 20 years plus, and
syticking te motor out in te rain won't improve te odds on that...
besides, it keeps it all low profile.

After three yeasr my motor, pulley and belt were all clean and dry.

On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:36:49 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

I talked to the service engineer - he says reliablility is hugely
improvced with motor and gearbox life typically being 20 years plus

Except in your sample of one, where sloppy production control caused it
to fail in 3 years.

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Christian McArdle wrote:

Having moved on from water softners (don;t think that after all that, I'll
have one), the next task is to choose a septic tank...

Klargester Biodisc. Settle for nothing less.

Christian.


Hear hear!

Not a whiff from mine after three years. The pulley fell off the motor
(not tightened down maybe) after three years. So I had to empty it.
Didn't really need it tho..

Nor from ours after at least nine years.

It has been serviced and emptied every year (I'm not convinced about
the need for emptying, but SWMBO says ...).

Martin

Andy Dingley wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:36:49 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:


I talked to the service engineer - he says reliablility is hugely
improvced with motor and gearbox life typically being 20 years plus


Except in your sample of one, where sloppy production control caused it
to fail in 3 years.

Why don't youy read what I said? Motor and gearbox life. The pulley is
not the gearbox and it probably was my fault for not double checking it
was tight when I installed it.

The point being the gearbox with the gears - as opposed to the final
belt drive - now runs perfectly dry as does the motor.

wrote:


The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Christian McArdle wrote:


Having moved on from water softners (don;t think that after all that, I'll
have one), the next task is to choose a septic tank...

Klargester Biodisc. Settle for nothing less.

Christian.



Hear hear!

Not a whiff from mine after three years. The pulley fell off the motor
(not tightened down maybe) after three years. So I had to empty it.
Didn't really need it tho..


Nor from ours after at least nine years.

It has been serviced and emptied every year (I'm not convinced about
the need for emptying, but SWMBO says ...).

we had to have a 6-7 person one although we were only two...and it was
less than half full after three years, which suggest that probably
yearly emptying even at rated full capacity has a considerable margin.

And we live and work at home too..its not like we are dumping at the
office on a regular basis.And quite a lot of cat **** goes down as well..


Martin

So,

Any others apart from the Klargester Biodisc worth considering?

Mike

On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:46:45 +0100, Mike Deblis wrote:

Any others apart from the Klargester Biodisc worth considering?

Does your EA discharge approval say you must have an aerobic system or
can you use a plain tank (anerobic)?

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Mike Deblis wrote:

So,

Any others apart from the Klargester Biodisc worth considering?

Mike


I think they have a de facto monopoly on aerobic ones.

Dave Liquorice wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:46:45 +0100, Mike Deblis wrote:


Any others apart from the Klargester Biodisc worth considering?


Does your EA discharge approval say you must have an aerobic system or
can you use a plain tank (anerobic)?

Even if you can. I'd still recommend aerobic. Much less chance of nasty
niffs.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message


Expect to spend 5-7k plus any extra piping, installed.

Bloody hell, that's a lot.

How much to dig a pit, concrete the base, bricking the sides with two
skins and rendering the inside with a 5:1 sand and cement?

A concrete top, two inspection covers and a load of rubble for a
soakaway or let it empty into reeds in a pond and the job's a good'un.

You need to fill the thing with clean water before you put the top on,
in case it needs another coat of render. Personally, I'd give it a
scratch and two coats. I can't remember how large they need to be but a
10 x 5 x 5 may be about right.

That was in the days before concrete rings were in common use.


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