Im considering a loft conversion.
Can anyone help me out with the following questions :-

1: What building regulations apply to this ?
2: If Building Regs are not complied with, is this illegal ?
3: What other regulations are in force.
4: Will I struggle to sell the house if building regs are not complied with
?
5: In general, do loft conversions provide full payback on house value ?
6: Is planning permission required ?

Thanks in advance

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Ellis Greensitt wrote:
Im considering a loft conversion.
Can anyone help me out with the following questions :-

1: What building regulations apply to this ?

lots. Ring your local council.

2: If Building Regs are not complied with, is this illegal ?

yes

3: What other regulations are in force.

fire regs are pretty strict if this would add a third floor to a 2 storey
house. Mayb others

4: Will I struggle to sell the house if building regs are not complied with

Yes. I know of two people who had big problems with this (they were buying
places with diy loft conversions - ended up having to strip the lot out before
the mortgage was fully released).

5: In general, do loft conversions provide full payback on house value ?

Around this area (Folkestone so SE) they do appear to if done well. Adding a
bedroom and another bath/shower room does seem to be worthwhile.

6: Is planning permission required ?

Sometimes. If you just want Velux style windows to the rear then probably not.
If you want velux to the front then possibly. If you want a dormer then
more likely. If you are in a conservation area then definately. Again, give
the council a ring.

We are planning to get our loft converted next year so are just starting to
think about this - answers given are my current understanding. I'm interested
to see the replys to this thread...

Darren

Ellis Greensitt wrote:
Im considering a loft conversion.
Can anyone help me out with the following questions :-

1: What building regulations apply to this ?

Lots.

Fire escapes, structural loading, insulation, wiring, heating....

2: If Building Regs are not complied with, is this illegal ?

Failing to comply with building regs is illegal, however the council has
only a limited time for them to enforce the requirements. After that
time (year or so) they could still in theory take you to court, but I
believe it tends to only be used for commercial companies who have made
money out of flouting the law.

3: What other regulations are in force.
4: Will I struggle to sell the house if building regs are not complied with
?

Most likely yes. A few years ago a solicitor was sued (after the
purchase) for failing to follow up on some building regs issues. Since
then, the solicitors have been much hotter on following up and
investigating unapproved modifications etc. Depending on the purchaser,
they may be happy with the situation, possibly getting the seller to
take out (reasonably cheap considering the house value) indemity
insurance to cover the chance the council does take action. Other
purchasers may well drop the purchase completely at the sign of "illegal
changes" etc.

I've heard that estate agents cannot describe the works as a loft
conversion if approval etc wasn't granted, also heard they can't count
it as a bedroom etc, if no approval was granted etc. No idea whether
this is true - but considering the problems that could happen with a
loft conversion (lack of adequate fire escape, incorrect floor loading,
incorrect insulation methods causing condensation/damp in roof) - I
would steer clear of unapproved loft conversions when buying a house -
unless it could be proved that it was done properly, just without
approval - in which case, it makes you wonder why approval wasn't
obtained, if it met all the requirements....

5: In general, do loft conversions provide full payback on house value ?

From what I've heard - nowhere near the cost.

6: Is planning permission required ?

Don't know.

D

"Ellis Greensitt" wrote in message
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Im considering a loft conversion.
Can anyone help me out with the following questions :-

1: What building regulations apply to this ?
2: If Building Regs are not complied with, is this illegal ?
3: What other regulations are in force.
4: Will I struggle to sell the house if building regs are not complied
with
?
5: In general, do loft conversions provide full payback on house value ?
6: Is planning permission required ?

This thread could be useful to me also - see my posting earlier about
building regs approval.

I'd like to know what happens about conversion made over 20 years ago that
have no building regs approval. When we bought our house 2 years ago the
building survey didn't mention any problems with it and our solicitor said
that as it was done over 20 years ago the building regs approval may not
exist anyway. With hindsight I think I was extremely naive not to have
pushed this further as now the problem is mine and not the previous sellers.
I don't think I have any come back with either solicitor or surveyor.

I am wondering now if we wish to sell if we need to get retospective
approval and possibly carry out additional work to make it sound - the size
of the joists certainly do not meet current regs, but of course they cannot
be replaced without removing the whole structure.

The simplest thing I can see would be to put an RSJ below adjacent to the
breeze block wall for additional support.

As a back-up however, the ground floor suspended floor joists are the same
size as the roof joists - although there is additional support in places.

Does anyone know what regulations apply to conversions made over 20 years
ago, and would my house still be sellable now without additional works
carried out?

Regards

Earl

Ellis Greensitt wrote:
Im considering a loft conversion.
Can anyone help me out with the following questions :-

5: In general, do loft conversions provide full payback on house value ?


Varies a lot, depending on your area and the implications and cost of
the work.

Area: compare Leeds with London, the added monetary value is very
different.

implications: if the new stairs etc means losing a bedroom downstairs,
thats a real loss. If it adds an ensuite, thats a real plus.

Whether you have BR approval is pretty significant re value of course.

cost: some folk pay 5000, some 25,000, and of course this is a big
factor in the final money gain or loss. Bear in mind that if youre
selling long into the future, the change in house value will be bigger
by then, so a break even now can be a gain in some cases.


NT

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implications: if the new stairs etc means losing a bedroom downstairs,
thats a real loss. If it adds an ensuite, thats a real plus.

What's an 'ensuite'?

Mary

Mary Fisher wrote:
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If it adds an ensuite, thats a real plus.
What's an 'ensuite'?

A bathroom off the bedroom instead of down the passage. Posh hotels have
them.

Owain

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What's an 'ensuite'?

Mary


Not sure wether Im gonna look a bit daft answering this but here
goes.......fingers crossed.....

Is it a toilet/bathroom/shower-room thats added on to a bedroom ?


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What's an 'ensuite'?

Mary


Not sure wether Im gonna look a bit daft answering this but here
goes.......fingers crossed.....

No, you don't look daft at all.

Is it a toilet/bathroom/shower-room thats added on to a bedroom ?

Oh. That's properly described as a bathroom en suite - as part of the whole
set of rooms. An "ensuite bathroom". Or even en suite or en-suite. I know of
no noun "ensuite".

Thanks for enlightening me.

Mary

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Oh. That's properly described as a bathroom en suite - as part of the
whole set of rooms. An "ensuite bathroom". Or even en suite or en-suite. I
know of no noun "ensuite".

Thanks for enlightening me.

Told you I'd look daft aswering that

You must have some history with if you are pulling him on
stuff like that.

I wasnt sure if you were serious or not with the question. You may have been
a foreign lady who genuinely had not heard of it before.

made me laugh anyway
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What's an 'ensuite'?

Mary


Not sure wether Im gonna look a bit daft answering this but here
goes.......fingers crossed.....

No, you don't look daft at all.

Is it a toilet/bathroom/shower-room thats added on to a bedroom ?

Oh. That's properly described as a bathroom en suite - as part of the whole
set of rooms. An "ensuite bathroom". Or even en suite or en-suite. I know of
no noun "ensuite".


It comes from the same dictionary of non-words that retailers use.
"Instore" comes from there as well.



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Ellis Greensitt wrote:
Im considering a loft conversion.
Can anyone help me out with the following questions :-
1: What building regulations apply to this ?
2: If Building Regs are not complied with, is this illegal ?
3: What other regulations are in force.
4: Will I struggle to sell the house if building regs are not complied with
6: Is planning permission required ?

As others have said. I recomment you buy a copy of Paul Hymers' "Home
Conversions the complete handbook"
ISBN 1-84330-352-3. It's (c) 2003 so should be pretty up-to-date.

Covers loft conversions, basements, barns/outbuildings, and
garages-to-rooms, but also has some very good advice on dealing with
builders, contracts and the like, insurances and warranties.

5: In general, do loft conversions provide full payback on house value ?

Depends. If the house has eg only 1 recep and 3 bedrooms, adding a 4th
bedroom can unbalance the house; with only 1 recep it wouldn't appeal to
a family.

However, if the 3rd bedroom is poky, it may be better losing that
bedroom to gain new stairs and an en-suite shower room for 2nd bedroom,
and create a really nice master bedroom with en-suite bathroom in the
loft. That isn't adding bedrooms, but will probably add some value. Even
if the added value isn't much financially it can dramatically increase
the saleability of a house.

If several of your neighbours have already converted their lofts that is
a good pointer that a loft conversion is feasible and there is a demand
for converted houses.

Owain

"Ellis Greensitt" wrote in message
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Thanks for enlightening me.

Told you I'd look daft aswering that

Not daft, I promise you.

You must have some history with if you are pulling him
on stuff like that.

We're total strangers! Well, just good friends, I don't care what the
milkman says ...

I wasnt sure if you were serious or not with the question. You may have
been a foreign lady who genuinely had not heard of it before.

I AM foreign. To one of our daughters in law anyway.

She's a Scot.

As for 'lady' ... hmmm.

made me laugh anyway

Make the most of it :-)

Mary

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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What's an 'ensuite'?

....


It comes from the same dictionary of non-words that retailers use.
"Instore" comes from there as well.

Ah - is there really such a thing? Is 'mouthfeel' in there too?

Mary

"Owain" wrote in message

If several of your neighbours have already converted their lofts that is a
good pointer that a loft conversion is feasible and there is a demand for
converted houses.

There's a lot of it round here but it's frightfully expensive, I'm told. And
it seems to take ages. And the mess!

I guess we're just too idle ... we crammed the boys into one room and the
girls in another, friends crashed on the floor. It's what happened in the
trendy past ...

Mary

Owain

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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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What's an 'ensuite'?

...


It comes from the same dictionary of non-words that retailers use.
"Instore" comes from there as well.

Ah - is there really such a thing? Is 'mouthfeel' in there too?

Mary


No but you might find a ragaroat

Ellis Greensitt wrote:

Im considering a loft conversion.
Can anyone help me out with the following questions :-

1: What building regulations apply to this ?

All of 'em

People tend to assume that these are difficult to comply with, but in
reality they are not.

There are a couple of extra regulations that kick in when you go above
two floors (hence apply to a loft conversion on a house but not a
bungalow) to do with fire regulations.

2: If Building Regs are not complied with, is this illegal ?

Yes. They are not difficult to comply with however, so you may as well.

Most of them are intended to ensure the building remains structurally
sound, is pleasant enough to live in, and you can still get out of in
the case of a fire. Each of these I would expect most people would rate
as "worth having" anyway if they are going to be using the space
themselves.

3: What other regulations are in force.

None specifically. You may get extra complication if your house is in a
conservation area or is listed.

4: Will I struggle to sell the house if building regs are not complied with
?

Depends on how well it was done and how long ago. Well done, a long time
ago and you may be able to apply to have it "regularised". A botched job
done recently however will make the place impossible to sell.

5: In general, do loft conversions provide full payback on house value ?

It may depend on where you live. Check out the local paper for house
prices and see how much extra similar houses with extra rooms in the
roof fetch. Classical wisdom (i.e. out of date and now usually wrong!)
said you will not recoup the cost. In this area however (SE Essex), you
would at least recoup the cost and possibly make a small profit if you
have the conversion done by a builder. If you DIY then you will probably
double your money. You also need to compare the cost not only against
what you recover on sale of the place, but against what it would cost to
move to a new place with the required amount of space.

I did my own conversion last year, and based on what I have spent and
the hike in prices of houses with extra rooms I would expect that I have
at worst added more than double the cost to the value of the property.
Note however that is valuing my time for building it at zero. If you are
going to do it "full time" you may wish to factor that in. To have moved
to a suitable property would have cost me four to five times the cost of
the conversion, and I would not have had the fun of doing it either!

6: Is planning permission required ?

Not usually (although may in conservation areas etc) unless you want to
stick a dormer out of the front of the property.

The simplest way to do it is a "full plans submission" to the local
council. You draw these up (or have them drawn up for you) and submit
them with a set of structural calcs that proves the design "works" along
with your fee (about 268 quid round these parts). They then look at
them, and possibly pass comment on them. If there are areas that need
changing you resubmit them. Go round this loop as many times as
required. (not as onerous as it sounds if the person doing the plans has
a clue).

You are then ready to start work. Give the BCO a call when you want to
get going, he will visit and offer advice etc. He will then want to come
back and look once the floor structure is done, then again the
superstructure, possibly the stairs and access, and then finally at
completion to sign it all off.

You can also ring them as often as you want if you need advice as you go
along. In reality I found it is easy enough to get all you need from the
internet and the good folks on this group ;-)


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"keith_765" wrote in message
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"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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What's an 'ensuite'?

...


It comes from the same dictionary of non-words that retailers use.
"Instore" comes from there as well.

Ah - is there really such a thing? Is 'mouthfeel' in there too?

Mary


No but you might find a ragaroat

er ... ?

Mary

On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 10:09:03 +0100, David Hearn
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Failing to comply with building regs is illegal, however the council has
only a limited time for them to enforce the requirements.

Not so - I think you are confusing planning permission (which has a
time window) with building regulations which don't.


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Mary Fisher wrote:
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implications: if the new stairs etc means losing a bedroom downstairs,
thats a real loss. If it adds an ensuite, thats a real plus.

What's an 'ensuite'?

Mary

I meant 'on sweet' just didnt type it right. Typically means icing
sugar, cream, fruit sauce, stuff like that

NT

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implications: if the new stairs etc means losing a bedroom downstairs,
thats a real loss. If it adds an ensuite, thats a real plus.

What's an 'ensuite'?

Mary

I meant 'on sweet' just didnt type it right. Typically means icing
sugar, cream, fruit sauce, stuff like that

AH! I see, it all makes sense now :-)

Mary

NT

Peter Parry wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 10:09:03 +0100, David Hearn
wrote:



Failing to comply with building regs is illegal, however the council has
only a limited time for them to enforce the requirements.


Not so - I think you are confusing planning permission (which has a
time window) with building regulations which don't.

Most certainly wasn't the advice from a number of people 2 years ago
when I enquired on here about the time limit for councils to enforce
building requlations.

D

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implications: if the new stairs etc means losing a bedroom
downstairs,
thats a real loss. If it adds an ensuite, thats a real plus.

What's an 'ensuite'?

Mary

I meant 'on sweet' just didnt type it right. Typically means icing
sugar, cream, fruit sauce, stuff like that

AH! I see, it all makes sense now :-)

Mary

NT

Mmmmmmmm!!!!! Cream and Fruit Sauce!!!! Mmmmmmm!!!!! :-) Off to do some
DIY catering, now that my stomach is rumbling.

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Peter Parry wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 10:09:03 +0100, David Hearn
wrote:



Failing to comply with building regs is illegal, however the council has
only a limited time for them to enforce the requirements.


Not so - I think you are confusing planning permission (which has a
time window) with building regulations which don't.

Most certainly wasn't the advice from a number of people 2 years ago
when I enquired on here about the time limit for councils to enforce
building requlations.

D


Planning Permission has time limits, Building Regulations Don't. If you
apply for permission to do a job, then you have to complete, or start, the
job within a time frame laid down on the agreement for works. Building
regulations are not permission to do work, they are the laid down techniques
for doing the job properly and safely etc.

There are lots of cases of Building Regulations being enforced many, many
years after un-authorised works have been carried out on a property.

On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:46:04 +0100, David Hearn
wrote:


Most certainly wasn't the advice from a number of people 2 years ago
when I enquired on here about the time limit for councils to enforce
building requlations.

Building regulation enforcement has no time limit - which is pretty
sensible - if the building was unsafe when it was built the fact it
hasn't fallen down in x years doesn't make it any more safe.
Similarly if fire requirements are ignored not having yet had a fire
doesn't mean they can safely be left as they are.

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Peter Parry wrote:

Building regulation enforcement has no time limit - which is pretty
sensible - if the building was unsafe when it was built the fact it
hasn't fallen down in x years doesn't make it any more safe.
Similarly if fire requirements are ignored not having yet had a fire
doesn't mean they can safely be left as they are.

Might be worth pointing out that they are not retrospective. So there is
no need to bring a building up to current standard if it was done to the
correct standard in force at the time.



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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:46:04 +0100, David Hearn

Building regulation enforcement
has no time limit - which is pretty
sensible -

Not so. Liverpool council has applied for compulsory purchases on
properties with planning permission which was started and left (property
speculators). They do a little work and leave it. After letters from the
council scaffolding may be erected as a con. One Doctor in Wolverhampton I
believe had his graded building taken off him as they ran out of patience.
The council want buildings renovated ASAP, and people who neglect will be
brought into line. Some want the property to be demolished, and leave the
buiklding open and prey to vandals, so they can build a new more lucrative
building, or are just waiting to sell as the city's property prices are
rising rapidly because of the City of Culture status. The city also wanted
to introduce Land Value Tax to tax vacant property purposely left for
speculative purposes.

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implications: if the new stairs etc means losing a bedroom
downstairs,
thats a real loss. If it adds an ensuite, thats a real plus.

What's an 'ensuite'?

Mary

I meant 'on sweet' just didnt type it right. Typically means icing
sugar, cream, fruit sauce, stuff like that

AH! I see, it all makes sense now :-)

Mary

NT

Mmmmmmmm!!!!! Cream and Fruit Sauce!!!! Mmmmmmm!!!!! :-) Off to do
some DIY catering, now that my stomach is rumbling.




You'll be wanting the 'on suet' version?

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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 17:30:14 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
wrote:


"Peter Parry" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:46:04 +0100, David Hearn

Building regulation enforcement
has no time limit - which is pretty
sensible -

Not so. Liverpool council has applied for compulsory purchases on
properties with planning permission which was started and left (property
speculators). They do a little work and leave it. After letters from the
council scaffolding may be erected as a con. One Doctor in Wolverhampton I
believe had his graded building taken off him as they ran out of patience.
The council want buildings renovated ASAP, and people who neglect will be
brought into line. Some want the property to be demolished, and leave the
buiklding open and prey to vandals, so they can build a new more lucrative
building, or are just waiting to sell as the city's property prices are
rising rapidly because of the City of Culture status. The city also wanted
to introduce Land Value Tax to tax vacant property purposely left for
speculative purposes.

Was this before or after the corruption scandal?




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"Peter Parry" wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:46:04 +0100, David Hearn

Building regulation enforcement
has no time limit - which is pretty
sensible -

Not so. Liverpool council has applied for compulsory purchases on
properties with planning permission which was started and left

What has this got to do with Building Regulations?

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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:14:21 +0100, Peter Parry
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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 17:30:14 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
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"Peter Parry" wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:46:04 +0100, David Hearn

Building regulation enforcement
has no time limit - which is pretty
sensible -

Not so. Liverpool council has applied for compulsory purchases on
properties with planning permission which was started and left

What has this got to do with Building Regulations?


Nothing other than involvement of compulsion and officialdom, which
seems to suit him.



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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 17:30:14 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
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"Peter Parry" wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:46:04 +0100, David Hearn

Building regulation enforcement
has no time limit - which is pretty
sensible -

Not so. Liverpool council has applied for compulsory purchases on
properties with planning permission which was started and left

What has this got to do with Building Regulations?

It counters what you said.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:14:21 +0100, Peter Parry
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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 17:30:14 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
wrote:

"Peter Parry" wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:46:04 +0100, David Hearn

Building regulation enforcement
has no time limit - which is pretty
sensible -

Not so. Liverpool council has applied for compulsory purchases on
properties with planning permission which was started and left

What has this got to do with Building Regulations?

Nothing other than involvement of compulsion and officialdom, which
seems to suit him.

How odd. Her is this one who lauds officialdom curtailing freedom in
restricting people from building much needed homes on the land.

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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 17:30:14 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
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"Peter Parry" wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:46:04 +0100, David Hearn

Building regulation enforcement
has no time limit - which is pretty
sensible -

Not so. Liverpool council has applied for compulsory purchases on
properties with planning permission which was started and left

What has this got to do with Building Regulations?

It counters what you said.


Counters what said & by whom, exactly?


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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 17:30:14 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
wrote:

"Peter Parry" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:46:04 +0100, David Hearn

Building regulation enforcement
has no time limit - which is pretty
sensible -

Not so. Liverpool council has applied for compulsory purchases on
properties with planning permission which was started and left

What has this got to do with Building Regulations?

It counters what you said.


Counters what said & by whom, exactly?

This was said: "Building regulation enforcement has no time limit - which is
pretty sensible". Liverpool City council put time limit on, which counters
that statement.

BigWallop wrote:
"David Hearn" wrote in message
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Peter Parry wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 10:09:03 +0100, David Hearn
wrote:



Failing to comply with building regs is illegal, however the council has
only a limited time for them to enforce the requirements.


Not so - I think you are confusing planning permission (which has a
time window) with building regulations which don't.

Most certainly wasn't the advice from a number of people 2 years ago
when I enquired on here about the time limit for councils to enforce
building requlations.

D


Planning Permission has time limits, Building Regulations Don't. If you
apply for permission to do a job, then you have to complete, or start, the
job within a time frame laid down on the agreement for works. Building

The question is with regard to *enforcement* not completion of works.
In this case the answer is tha same. Enforcement of planning has a time
limit, building regs don't.

Andrew

Doctor Evil wrote:
"Peter Parry" wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:46:04 +0100, David Hearn

Building regulation enforcement
has no time limit - which is pretty
sensible -

Not so. Liverpool council has applied for compulsory purchases on

The the thread properly (if you can read).

Building regs have no time limit for *enforcement* of the regs.

Andrew

Doctor Evil wrote:

What has this got to do with Building Regulations?

It counters what you said.


Counters what said & by whom, exactly?


This was said: "Building regulation enforcement has no time limit - which is
pretty sensible". Liverpool City council put time limit on, which counters
that statement.

You post made no mention of building regulations, and instead talked
about planning permission. The two are not related.

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Cheers,

John.

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"John Rumm" wrote in message
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Doctor Evil wrote:

What has this got to do with Building Regulations?

It counters what you said.


Counters what said & by whom, exactly?


This was said: "Building regulation enforcement has no time limit -
which is
pretty sensible". Liverpool City council put time limit on, which
counters
that statement.

You post made no mention of building regulations, and instead talked
about planning permission. The two are not related.

I think you will find they are. One goes with the other.

On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:13:23 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
wrote:


"Peter Parry" wrote

What has this got to do with Building Regulations?

It counters what you said.

I said that planning regulation enforcement is time limited and that
building regulation enforcement was not.

What you quoted about compulsory purchase applied to neither.

--
Peter Parry.
http://www.wpp.ltd.uk/