In article ,
Doctor Evil wrote:
You post made no mention of building regulations, and instead talked
about planning permission. The two are not related.

I think you will find they are. One goes with the other.

You haven't quite got it, have you?

Planning permission ain't usually needed for internal structural
alterations - like say taking down a wall between two rooms. But building
regs apply.
So the safest way is to ask your BCO what's required before starting and
get him to check at stages throughout the work.
If the work is complex, he'll almost certainly require calculations from a
structural engineer.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Doctor Evil wrote:

You post made no mention of building regulations, and instead talked
about planning permission. The two are not related.

I think you will find they are. One goes with the other.

You haven't quite got it, have you?

No I haven't, as I'm not into electric caber tossing.

In article ,
Doctor Evil wrote:
You haven't quite got it, have you?

No I haven't, as I'm not into electric caber tossing.

Seek treatment. Your fixation with wanking is sad for one your age.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Doctor Evil wrote:
You haven't quite got it, have you?

No I haven't, as I'm not into electric caber tossing.

Seek treatment. Your fixation with wanking is sad for one your age.

Sad isn't it, truely sad.

In article , Doctor Evil
writes

"John Rumm" wrote in message
...
Doctor Evil wrote:

What has this got to do with Building Regulations?

It counters what you said.


Counters what said & by whom, exactly?


This was said: "Building regulation enforcement has no time limit -
which is
pretty sensible". Liverpool City council put time limit on, which
counters
that statement.

You post made no mention of building regulations, and instead talked
about planning permission. The two are not related.

I think you will find they are. One goes with the other.


So you always need both do you? :-)

--
David

In article ,
Doctor Evil wrote:
No I haven't, as I'm not into electric caber tossing.

Seek treatment. Your fixation with wanking is sad for one your age.

Sad isn't it, truely sad.

Good. Getting over self denial is necessary before treatment can be
effective.

--
*To be intoxicated is to feel sophisticated, but not be able to say it.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:25:13 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
wrote:


I think you will find they are. One goes with the other.

No they don't. There are many things for which planning permission
is needed but not building regulation approval and similarly many
where BR approval is required but not planning permission.

You do understand the difference between them don't you?


--
Peter Parry.
http://www.wpp.ltd.uk/

"Peter Parry" wrote in message
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On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:25:13 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
wrote:


I think you will find they are. One goes with the other.

No they don't. There are many things for which planning permission
is needed but not building regulation approval and similarly many
where BR approval is required but not planning permission.

You do understand the difference between them don't you?

Oh a quiz.

"Doctor Evil" wrote in message
...

This was said: "Building regulation enforcement has no time limit

I think you'll find you actually have a certain time to begin work (though
not to finish it) or else if stricter regs have been introduced in the
meantime there will apply instead.

For Part P you had to finish it as well and it was pretty short (finish by
April 2005 or else) but usually I think it's three years to start and then
fairly indefinite to finish.

wrote in message
oups.com...

The question is with regard to *enforcement* not completion of works.
In this case the answer is tha same. Enforcement of planning has a time
limit, building regs don't.

Usually the case but if you recall we all had to finish our electrical work
before April 1st this year to avoid the taking the 'P'iss regs.

In article ,
Doctor Evil wrote:
"Peter Parry" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:25:13 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
wrote:


I think you will find they are. One goes with the other.

No they don't. There are many things for which planning permission
is needed but not building regulation approval and similarly many
where BR approval is required but not planning permission.

You do understand the difference between them don't you?

Oh a quiz.

Given you never actually answer direct questions, do you know what that
means?

--
*Hang in there, retirement is only thirty years away! *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article , Doctor Evil
writes

"Peter Parry" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:25:13 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
wrote:


I think you will find they are. One goes with the other.

No they don't. There are many things for which planning permission
is needed but not building regulation approval and similarly many
where BR approval is required but not planning permission.

You do understand the difference between them don't you?

Oh a quiz.

Ah bless, he doesn't
--
David

In article , Mike
writes

"Doctor Evil" wrote in message
...

This was said: "Building regulation enforcement has no time limit

I think you'll find you actually have a certain time to begin work (though
not to finish it) or else if stricter regs have been introduced in the
meantime there will apply instead.

For Part P you had to finish it as well and it was pretty short (finish by
April 2005 or else) but usually I think it's three years to start and then
fairly indefinite to finish.


Are you not getting confused with planning permission as well?
--
David

"David" wrote in message
...
In article , Mike
writes

"Doctor Evil" wrote in message
...

This was said: "Building regulation enforcement has no time limit

I think you'll find you actually have a certain time to begin work
(though
not to finish it) or else if stricter regs have been introduced in the
meantime there will apply instead.

For Part P you had to finish it as well and it was pretty short (finish
by
April 2005 or else) but usually I think it's three years to start and
then
fairly indefinite to finish.


Are you not getting confused with planning permission as well?

Nope.

In message , Doctor Evil
writes

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Doctor Evil wrote:
You haven't quite got it, have you?

No I haven't, as I'm not into electric caber tossing.

Seek treatment. Your fixation with wanking is sad for one your age.

Sad isn't it, truely sad.

Especially when dIMM's mother walks in on him

--
geoff

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Doctor Evil wrote:
"Peter Parry" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:25:13 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
wrote:


I think you will find they are. One goes with the other.

No they don't. There are many things for which planning permission
is needed but not building regulation approval and similarly many
where BR approval is required but not planning permission.

You do understand the difference between them don't you?

Oh a quiz.

Given you never actually answer
direct questions, do you know what that
means?

Definition

quiz [Show phonetics]
noun [C] plural quizzes
1 a game or competition in which you answer questions:
a history/sport, etc. quiz

"David" wrote in message
...
In article , Doctor Evil
writes

"Peter Parry" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:25:13 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
wrote:


I think you will find they are. One goes with the other.

No they don't. There are many things for which planning permission
is needed but not building regulation approval and similarly many
where BR approval is required but not planning permission.

You do understand the difference between them don't you?

Oh a quiz.

Ah bless, he doesn't

What are the prizes in this quiz? What are the rules? I'm not entering
until I know all these.

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , Doctor Evil
writes

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Doctor Evil wrote:
You haven't quite got it, have you?

No I haven't, as I'm not into electric caber tossing.

Seek treatment. Your fixation with wanking is sad for one your age.

Sad isn't it, truely sad.

Especially when dIMM's mother walks in on him

Maxie, have you got the outlaw over here as well? Dim Lins mother snooping
eh? What next?

"Doctor Evil" wrote in message
...

"David" wrote in message
...
In article , Doctor Evil
writes

"Peter Parry" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:25:13 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
wrote:


I think you will find they are. One goes with the other.

No they don't. There are many things for which planning permission
is needed but not building regulation approval and similarly many
where BR approval is required but not planning permission.

You do understand the difference between them don't you?

Oh a quiz.

Ah bless, he doesn't

What are the prizes in this quiz? What are the rules? I'm not entering
until I know all these.


Prize is a pair of tickets to the Premiere of the new uk.d-i-y film of the
year

"Four Combis and a Hacksaw"

You'd like it.

It's a comedy.


--
Richard Sampson

mail me at
richard at olifant d-ot co do-t uk

RichardS wrote:
Prize is a pair of tickets to the Premiere of the new uk.d-i-y film of the
year
"Four Combis and a Hacksaw"
You'd like it.
It's a comedy.

Seven Boilers For Seven Bathtubs

Kind Hearts and Combiboilers

They Died With Their Boilers On

Three Combis: White

And some soundtracks from the movies:

The First Cut is the Leakiest

Another Flue in the Wall

Owain

"RichardS" wrote in message
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"Doctor Evil" wrote in message
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"David" wrote in message
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In article , Doctor Evil
writes

"Peter Parry" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:25:13 +0100, "Doctor Evil"

wrote:


I think you will find they are. One goes with the other.

No they don't. There are many things for which planning permission
is needed but not building regulation approval and similarly many
where BR approval is required but not planning permission.

You do understand the difference between them don't you?

Oh a quiz.

Ah bless, he doesn't

What are the prizes in this quiz? What are the rules? I'm not entering
until I know all these.

Prize is a pair of tickets to the Premiere of the new uk.d-i-y film of the
year

"Four Combis and a Hacksaw"

You'd like it.

It know the one, it stars Brad Pitt, Tom Cruise and Kevin Cosner. A great
film indeed.

What are the rules?

Owain wrote:

RichardS wrote:
Prize is a pair of tickets to the Premiere of the new uk.d-i-y film of the
year
"Four Combis and a Hacksaw"
You'd like it.
It's a comedy.

Seven Boilers For Seven Bathtubs

Kind Hearts and Combiboilers

They Died With Their Boilers On

Three Combis: White

And some soundtracks from the movies:

The First Cut is the Leakiest

Another Flue in the Wall


Ice Cold in Alex

The Long Wait

Boiler room

Gas

Gas House

Plumb Crazy

Plumb Goofy

Once a Plumber

The Plumber Does a Little Plumbing

Plumber of Seville

So You Want to Be a Plumber

When We Called the Plumber In

Pipe Dream

The day of the combi's
(I made the last one up but the rest are legit!)

--

In article ,
raden wrote:
Seek treatment. Your fixation with wanking is sad for one your age.

Sad isn't it, truely sad.

Especially when dIMM's mother walks in on him

If only he were a kid, all would be fine.

But sadly he's well and truly old enough to be responsible.

--
*All those who believe in psychokinesis, raise my hand *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Vic" wrote in message
...
Owain wrote:

RichardS wrote:
Prize is a pair of tickets to the Premiere of the new uk.d-i-y film of
the
year
"Four Combis and a Hacksaw"
You'd like it.
It's a comedy.

Seven Boilers For Seven Bathtubs

Kind Hearts and Combiboilers

They Died With Their Boilers On

Three Combis: White

And some soundtracks from the movies:

The First Cut is the Leakiest

Another Flue in the Wall


Ice Cold in Alex

The Long Wait

Boiler room

Gas

Gas House

Plumb Crazy

Plumb Goofy

Once a Plumber

The Plumber Does a Little Plumbing

Plumber of Seville

So You Want to Be a Plumber

When We Called the Plumber In

Pipe Dream

The day of the combi's
(I made the last one up but the rest are legit!)

Lousy prizes. It that all you can do?

Owain wrote:

RichardS wrote:

Prize is a pair of tickets to the Premiere of the new uk.d-i-y film of
the year
"Four Combis and a Hacksaw"
You'd like it.
It's a comedy.


Seven Boilers For Seven Bathtubs

Kind Hearts and Combiboilers

They Died With Their Boilers On

Three Combis: White

And some soundtracks from the movies:

The First Cut is the Leakiest

Another Flue in the Wall

LOL! classic...

The Michael Cain classic: The Cheap Kress File

At bit satirical: Boilers for Combine

Prehistoric plumbing: Jurassic Pipe

Dimm does toilets: Close Encounters of the Turd Kind

6 liters per minute: As Good As It Gets

He fixed the central heating: My Best Friend's Wading

Taking advice on water treatment from Dimm or Drivel: Dumb and Dumber



--
Cheers,

John.

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"John Rumm" wrote in message
...
Owain wrote:

RichardS wrote:

Prize is a pair of tickets to the Premiere of the new uk.d-i-y film of
the year
"Four Combis and a Hacksaw"
You'd like it.
It's a comedy.


Seven Boilers For Seven Bathtubs

Kind Hearts and Combiboilers

They Died With Their Boilers On

Three Combis: White

And some soundtracks from the movies:

The First Cut is the Leakiest

Another Flue in the Wall

LOL! classic...

The Michael Cain classic: The Cheap Kress File

At bit satirical: Boilers for Combine

Prehistoric plumbing: Jurassic Pipe

Dimm does toilets: Close Encounters of the Turd Kind

6 liters per minute: As Good As It Gets

He fixed the central heating: My Best Friend's Wading

Taking advice on water treatment from Dimm or Drivel: Dumb and Dumber

Poor attempt 2/10. Try getting some wit lessons.

Earl Kella wrote:
This thread could be useful to me also - see my posting earlier about
building regs approval.

SNIP

Does anyone know what regulations apply to conversions made over 20 years
ago, and would my house still be sellable now without additional works
carried out?


Recently bought a house with a loft conversion (done in 1993) and no
building regs completion certificate. After checking with surveyor (his
opinion was that the conversion appeared to be in order) and our solicitor
we asked the vendors to purchase building-regs indeminity insurance policy
(approx 50GBP) which we can pass on to whoever we sell the house to and so on.

But we only purchased the house because the surveyor was happy that things
seemed to have been done properly. If he wasn't we wouldn't have bought it.

Rob

On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:36:40 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
raden wrote:
Seek treatment. Your fixation with wanking is sad for one your age.

Sad isn't it, truely sad.

Especially when dIMM's mother walks in on him

If only he were a kid, all would be fine.

But sadly he's well and truly old enough to be responsible.

He is responsible. Whenever nonsense about combis and electronic
water thingumies is posted, he's responsible.



--

..andy

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On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 22:54:07 +0100, a particular chimpanzee named
Peter Parry randomly hit the keyboard and produced:

On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 10:09:03 +0100, David Hearn
wrote:

Failing to comply with building regs is illegal, however the council has
only a limited time for them to enforce the requirements.

Not so - I think you are confusing planning permission (which has a
time window) with building regulations which don't.

No, it is the other way around.

The Building Act allows for a Section 36 notice to rectify a
contravention to be served no more than 12 months after the offence
occurred. An injunction can be sought after this time, but this is
exceptional, and would only be for a dangerous occurrence. I've never
heard of such an injunction being applied for.

I don't know a lot about Planning, but I believe that a notice to pull
down the offending work can be served up to 7 years after, and under
Listed Building legislation I think there's no time limit.
--
Hugo Nebula
"If no-one on the internet wants a piece of this,
just how far from the pack have you strayed?"

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 13:24:47 +0000 (UTC), a particular chimpanzee
named (Rob Summers) randomly hit the keyboard
and produced:

Recently bought a house with a loft conversion (done in 1993) and no
building regs completion certificate. After checking with surveyor (his
opinion was that the conversion appeared to be in order) and our solicitor
we asked the vendors to purchase building-regs indeminity insurance policy
(approx 50GBP) which we can pass on to whoever we sell the house to and so on.

What did you get for this indemnity insurance? Planning Permission
(in the vast majority of cases) doesn't apply to loft conversions;
unless you're in a listed building, a conservation area or National
Park, then Listed Buildings legislation wouldn't apply. It's only
Building Regulations that would apply, and enforcement action can only
be taken within 12 months of the work being carried out.
--
Hugo Nebula
"If no-one on the internet wants a piece of this,
just how far from the pack have you strayed?"

Hugo Nebula abuse@localhost wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 13:24:47 +0000 (UTC), a particular chimpanzee named
(Rob Summers) randomly hit the keyboard and
produced:

Do you know how tiresome these "funny" introductions get? [Clue: very]

Recently bought a house with a loft conversion (done in 1993) and no
building regs completion certificate. After checking with surveyor (his
opinion was that the conversion appeared to be in order) and our solicitor
we asked the vendors to purchase building-regs indeminity insurance policy
(approx 50GBP) which we can pass on to whoever we sell the house to and so
on.

What did you get for this indemnity insurance? Planning Permission (in
the vast majority of cases) doesn't apply to loft conversions; unless
you're in a listed building, a conservation area or National Park, then
Listed Buildings legislation wouldn't apply. It's only Building
Regulations that would apply, and enforcement action can only be taken
within 12 months of the work being carried out.

I'm not sure I understand your point. I make no mention of planning
permission. Advice from solicitor was that such a document would make it
much easier to sell the house in the future as, in theory, enforcement
action for building regs can be taken at any time, although in practice this
doesn't happen and since the premium is so little I imagine that no-one ever
claims on it, however I didn't pay for it, the vendors did.

Rob

On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:25:53 +0000 (UTC), a particular chimpanzee
named (Rob Summers) randomly hit the keyboard
and produced:
[It's my standard intro- live with it ;-)]
Hugo Nebula abuse@localhost wrote:

What did you get for this indemnity insurance? Planning Permission (in
the vast majority of cases) doesn't apply to loft conversions; unless
you're in a listed building, a conservation area or National Park, then
Listed Buildings legislation wouldn't apply. It's only Building
Regulations that would apply, and enforcement action can only be taken
within 12 months of the work being carried out.

I'm not sure I understand your point. I make no mention of planning
permission.

I know you didn't. It's my understanding that these policies cover
Planning as well as Building Control. My point is that they seem to
be policies being taken out when there is _no_ possibility that a
claim will be made against it. Any premium goes straight into the
bank accounts of the underwriters, solicitors, etc., and stays there.
I've yet to see any evidence that they are _not_ a total rip-off.
--
Hugo Nebula
"If no-one on the internet wants a piece of this,
just how far from the pack have you strayed?"

Hugo Nebula abuse@localhost wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:25:53 +0000 (UTC), a particular chimpanzee
named (Rob Summers) randomly hit the keyboard
and produced:
[It's my standard intro- live with it ;-)]

It's my screen real estate (on a terminal) you live with the medium; 2 extra
unnessecary lines on a console is a lot. Can I politely ask you to be a bit
more considerate?

Hugo Nebula abuse@localhost wrote:
I wrote
I'm not sure I understand your point. I make no mention of planning
permission.

I know you didn't. It's my understanding that these policies cover
Planning as well as Building Control.

You understand wrongly - it is specifically building regs indeminity
insurance.

My point is that they seem to be policies being taken out when there is
_no_ possibility that a claim will be made against it. Any premium goes
straight into the bank accounts of the underwriters, solicitors, etc., and
stays there. I've yet to see any evidence that they are _not_ a total
rip-off.

Whilst I wholly agree with you; I will, some day, want to sell my house.
Anything that makes that sale easier and less problematic is worth it.

Rob