I will be fitting a new kitchen and have been looking at Baumatic
integrated appliances. Does anyone have good or bad experiences to
share?

Regards

newman wrote:
I will be fitting a new kitchen and have been looking at Baumatic
integrated appliances. Does anyone have good or bad experiences to
share?

We have a Baumatic sink, which is fine, and a Baumatic built in
dishwasher which has had a number of problems.

We've had it (or them actually) for about two and a half years. The
first one died completely about 15 months from new and, even though
out of guarantee, we got it replaced free of charge by pressing the
SOGA. The replacement (a different, better, model) worked well for
about 15 months again but has been playing up for the past couple of
months. It fails to rinse properly and often seems unable to start
it's pump up and keeps retrying.

The service organisation isn't very satisfactory either, the engineer
isn't very good at listening to the symptoms one describes and doesn't
really check that the machine is actually working satisfactorily
before leaving. The last time he didn't reassemble it completely
either - he left the top cover off.

I doubt we'll buy Baumatic again and I also doubt if we'll buy an
integrated machine again either. The silly hoops one has to jump
through because of the concealed switches would all be avoided by
simply having the controls on the front. We don't conceal ovens and
hobs so why conceal dishawashers?

All our previous dishwashers have worked for years without any
problems at all.

--
Chris Green

I doubt we'll buy Baumatic again and I also doubt if we'll buy an
integrated machine again either. The silly hoops one has to jump
through because of the concealed switches would all be avoided by
simply having the controls on the front.

If you want front panel controls, you should consider a "semi-integrated"
model. I actually prefer fully integrated models, not only because they look
better, but because the hidden controls are usually easy to use electronic
switches rather than tatty motorised switches, which I absolutely despise.

Christian.

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newman wrote:

I will be fitting a new kitchen and have been looking at Baumatic
integrated appliances. Does anyone have good or bad experiences to
share?


We have Baumatic built-under electric oven, 4-burner hob and cooker hood
(Screwfix). Can't say we've had any problems with them. They may not be
built quite as well as some other brands, the 3kW burner on the hob
whistles if you turn it down to just above simmer and the hood is a
little noisier than we'd have liked, but otherwise we've been pretty
pleased with them so far.

Our other new appliances came from the same end of the market; Beko
(Currys). We have (stand-alone) dishwasher, fridge and freezer, and are
very happy with all three. The freezer in particular has more room
inside than seems possible on the outside :-)

Caveat: although we bought the appliances just about a year ago, they've
only been in daily use since last August.

Hwyl!

M.

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newman wrote:
I will be fitting a new kitchen and have been looking at Baumatic
integrated appliances. Does anyone have good or bad experiences to
share?

Regards

Have 5 burner hob, built in Elec oven and wide extractor hood. All
working fine after 2 years, no prob's at all. Whole shebang cost around
£450 IIRC from a local dealer.

Also, a while back the hood appeared in MFI badged as Bosch (IIRC) for
approx 3 times the price, I had a very good look internally and
externally and could not tell the difference at all. Dunno if there was any.

HTH,

Alex.

Also, a while back the hood appeared in MFI badged as Bosch (IIRC) for
approx 3 times the price, I had a very good look internally and
externally and could not tell the difference at all. Dunno if there was
any.

Almost all cooker hoods are made by one company (elica) and then rebadged to
extinction. You may have one of those.

Christian.

Christian McArdle wrote:
Also, a while back the hood appeared in MFI badged as Bosch (IIRC) for
approx 3 times the price, I had a very good look internally and
externally and could not tell the difference at all. Dunno if there was

any.

Almost all cooker hoods are made by one company (elica) and then rebadged to
extinction. You may have one of those.

Christian.



Right, sounds like it ... glad I did not pay Bosch money though, even if
I was bothered by the whole branding thing, there was no actual badge!

Alex.

Got a 4 hob gas hob and electric oven fitted, the on fitting made a whiring
noise (Not the fan, alot louder) and the element glowed bright red, called
up the service team and they sent someone out within 2 days, not bad service
if you ask me, and they look good and dont cost the earth, not sure if they
work that well (Doesnt really matter as the house there in is for
renovation)

"newman" wrote in message
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I will be fitting a new kitchen and have been looking at Baumatic
integrated appliances. Does anyone have good or bad experiences to
share?


We bought a Baumatic hood which took ages to come and when it did it had
obviously been reconditioned. But as we had already made the cut-out for it
we kept it.

newman wrote:
I will be fitting a new kitchen and have been looking at Baumatic
integrated appliances. Does anyone have good or bad experiences to
share?

Regards

Seeing as our kitchen has a few Baumatic items in it I'm posting my
comments on them one at a time:

Baumatic 5 Burner 90cm Hob (B17.7 -
http://www.baumatic.co.uk/products/b...view.php?id=18)
The hob is pretty good, solid controls, easy to fit and install, good
and clear instructions for both installation and use.
Problems:
The little rubber feet on the bottom of the cast iron pan stands come
off and require refixing with heat proof glue.
The small burners let out a high pitched whistle when turned down to
the lowest setting.

Baumatic Stainless Steel 90cm Splashback
Big lump of metal with the word Baumatic embossed in it, fairly solidly
made.
Problems:
Instructions are non existent (no idea whether the wood panel that
comes fitted into it is just for transportation or if it's part of the
splashback to help reduce dints and dings). When peeling off the
plastic coating it leaves areas that look distressingly like scratches,
but these are easily removed with a gentle wipe of thinners.

Baumatic 90cm Glass and Stainless Cooker Hood (BT82.1 -
http://www.baumatic.co.uk/products/c...view.php?id=32)
Construction is sound and solid, pretty well engineered and easy to put
together. Comes with two chimney sheaths so it can be brought down
quite low and have the chimney reaching the ceiling with no issues.
Problems: The mounting holes in ours weren't quite level which made
hanging it a bit more fiddly than it could have been. The instructions
are next to useless for telling you how to put it together (only 5
minutes of head scratching required however).

Baumatic 100cm Uragano Sink (BX30P -
http://www.baumatic.co.uk/products/sinks_uragano.php)
The sink is lovely, has to be one of the nicest sinks I've seen. It has
sound dampening on the underside and it's solidly made and designed.
The attachments and fittings for it all slot in snugly without being
tight and the waste trap and drain has a nice action to it.
Problems:
No template to tell you how big the cut-out needs to be (an annoying
problem as the grips to hold the sink to the countertop require and
extra 15mm all round to be cut out)

Baumatic Monobloc Mixer Tap (FX300SS -
http://www.baumatic.co.uk/products/sinks_taps.php)
Not actually plumbed in yet so can't comment too much.
Problems:
Had marking on it that doesn't look like it will ever come off.

Random accessories:
Baumatic Griddle Plate - A nice solid big lump of metal

Hmmm, that's my lot, hope it helps a little.

Seri

Seri wrote:
[generally favourable comments about Baumatic snipped]

I note that you say in some cases that the instructions were rubbish.
Our (unreliable) Baumatic dishwashers have rubbish instructions too,
both from the point of view of installation and of use.

For example:-

The instructions say that one should adjust the door catch on the
dishwasher after installation, and they tell you how to do it in
the sense of how you loosen it and move it. What they don't tell
you is what you are trying to make the latch do, i.e. how tight
the door should shut or whatever.

Similarly the list of wash cycles tells you all sorts of useless
stuff about each wash but doesn't grade them at all. There are
washes with names like 'strong', 'intensive', 'vigorous' but it's
well nigh impossible to tell which is the strongest. There are
several with almost the same duration and temperature. The cycle
number bears no relation to the duration/strength, 1 is a short
rinse, 2 is the longest cycle, 6 is the shortest wash cycle.

--
Chris Green

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wrote:

Seri wrote:
[generally favourable comments about Baumatic snipped]

I note that you say in some cases that the instructions were rubbish.
Our (unreliable) Baumatic dishwashers have rubbish instructions too,
both from the point of view of installation and of use.

For example:-

The instructions say that one should adjust the door catch on the
dishwasher after installation, and they tell you how to do it in
the sense of how you loosen it and move it. What they don't tell
you is what you are trying to make the latch do, i.e. how tight
the door should shut or whatever.


Ok so ours is a Beko, but what seems to happen is that if the DW isn't
quite level, the door, being hinged at the bottom, shows it worst.
Perhaps your door adjustment is simply to allow for this? I take it that
it closes ok and the washer runs and doesn't leak?

Similarly the list of wash cycles tells you all sorts of useless
stuff about each wash but doesn't grade them at all. There are
washes with names like 'strong', 'intensive', 'vigorous' but it's
well nigh impossible to tell which is the strongest. There are
several with almost the same duration and temperature. The cycle
number bears no relation to the duration/strength, 1 is a short
rinse, 2 is the longest cycle, 6 is the shortest wash cycle.


Again, with our Beko, the numbers go up with temperature, mainly, thus:

1: cold pre-wash (4 litres, 15 minutes)

2: 35C quick wash (wash, rinse, 11 litres, 30 minutes, 0.85kWh)

3: 40C gentle wash (pre-wash, wash, rinse, 14 litres, 71 minutes,
1.08kWh) All the rest have the same pre, wash, rinse cycle.

4: 50C "economy" wash (14 litres, 170 minutes, 1.05kWh)

5: 55C "normal" wash (14 litres, 96 minutes, 1.51kWh)

6: 60C "super" wash (14 litres, 106 mintues, 1.73kWh)

7: 70C "intensive" wash (hot pre-wash, 18.4 litres, 125 minutes, 2kWh)

8: "auto" wash (programme varies, up to 22 litres, 167 minutes and
1.9kWh)

Which sounds a bit more logical than yours. I don't know why I just
listed all that, sorry, it is *totally* irrelevant.

Hwyl!

M.

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Martin Angove wrote:
In message ,
wrote:
For example:-

The instructions say that one should adjust the door catch on the
dishwasher after installation, and they tell you how to do it in
the sense of how you loosen it and move it. What they don't tell
you is what you are trying to make the latch do, i.e. how tight
the door should shut or whatever.


Ok so ours is a Beko, but what seems to happen is that if the DW isn't
quite level, the door, being hinged at the bottom, shows it worst.
Perhaps your door adjustment is simply to allow for this? I take it that
it closes ok and the washer runs and doesn't leak?

I wasn't actually asking for help. The adjustment is so that the
microswitch that shows the door is closed works reliably but nothing
in the handbook tells you this. If it's not adjusted correctly then
the door can appear to close but the dishwasher won't run because the
microswitch isn't operated, or even worse the microswitch goes from on
to off half way through a wash.


Similarly the list of wash cycles tells you all sorts of useless
stuff about each wash but doesn't grade them at all. There are
washes with names like 'strong', 'intensive', 'vigorous' but it's
well nigh impossible to tell which is the strongest. There are
several with almost the same duration and temperature. The cycle
number bears no relation to the duration/strength, 1 is a short
rinse, 2 is the longest cycle, 6 is the shortest wash cycle.


Again, with our Beko, the numbers go up with temperature, mainly, thus:

[snip sensible list]

Exactly, that's what one expects but the Baumatic ones are apparently
completely random and the descriptions are such that you can't really
tell which is more intense anyway.

--
Chris Green - at home