Hello - I am new to this newsgroup and hope that someone might have a little
bit of information to make hubby happy. We have just got hold of a 1953
Rayburn in original condition - but it is solid fuel. Hubby being a clever
old stick and an a spark reckons he can convert to bottled gas. We don't
want it oil like our central heating and there are quite a few places that
sell oil kits - but we want to convert to bottled gas. Does anyone on here
know of any kits or literature. I have found Twyfords do it for you or sell
kits to Corgi registered engineers. Any help would be good.
Many thanks indeed.
Inger

"Inger Morris" wrote in message
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Hello - I am new to this newsgroup and hope that someone might have a
little bit of information to make hubby happy. We have just got hold of a
1953 Rayburn in original condition - but it is solid fuel. Hubby being a
clever old stick and an a spark reckons he can convert to bottled gas. We
don't want it oil like our central heating and there are quite a few
places that sell oil kits - but we want to convert to bottled gas. Does
anyone on here know of any kits or literature. I have found Twyfords do it
for you or sell kits to Corgi registered engineers. Any help would be
good.
Many thanks indeed.
Inger

Why do you want to convert to bottled gas if you already have oil? I assume
you mean a permanently installed LPG system and not cylinders - you may find
the fuel consumption with cylinders is unattractive.

The Rayburn is solid fuel and we don't want to convert to oil (as central
heating is oil) and just wanted the Rayburn in the kitchen with a bit of
background heat and the ovens to keep food/plates warm - I shall still cook
on my hob and fan oven - so without mains gas thought we would have bottled
gas instead.
Inger

"Harry Ziman" hziman at clara dot co dot uk wrote in message
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"Inger Morris" wrote in message
...
Hello - I am new to this newsgroup and hope that someone might have a
little bit of information to make hubby happy. We have just got hold of a
1953 Rayburn in original condition - but it is solid fuel. Hubby being a
clever old stick and an a spark reckons he can convert to bottled gas. We
don't want it oil like our central heating and there are quite a few
places that sell oil kits - but we want to convert to bottled gas. Does
anyone on here know of any kits or literature. I have found Twyfords do
it for you or sell kits to Corgi registered engineers. Any help would be
good.
Many thanks indeed.
Inger

Why do you want to convert to bottled gas if you already have oil? I
assume you mean a permanently installed LPG system and not cylinders - you
may find the fuel consumption with cylinders is unattractive.

It should provide background heat and will certainly keep things warm, but
have you considered cooking on it? We found it very easy to adapt to our
Aga. I can certainly understand not wanting solid fuel, but I don't think
the fuel consumption will be greatly affected by the small amounts of
cooking. I would contact Aga-Rayburn and ask them about the fuel consumption
levels and estimate how long cylinders will last. I assume you would need to
leave it running all the time by the way - if this is not the case then my
fears may be misplaced. We leave our Aga (oil) running for months at a time,
only shutting it down during long holidays or for servicing.

Hope that is helpful

Harry
"Inger Morris" wrote in message
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The Rayburn is solid fuel and we don't want to convert to oil (as central
heating is oil) and just wanted the Rayburn in the kitchen with a bit of
background heat and the ovens to keep food/plates warm - I shall still
cook on my hob and fan oven - so without mains gas thought we would have
bottled gas instead.
Inger

"Harry Ziman" hziman at clara dot co dot uk wrote in message
...

"Inger Morris" wrote in message
...
Hello - I am new to this newsgroup and hope that someone might have a
little bit of information to make hubby happy. We have just got hold of
a 1953 Rayburn in original condition - but it is solid fuel. Hubby being
a clever old stick and an a spark reckons he can convert to bottled gas.
We don't want it oil like our central heating and there are quite a few
places that sell oil kits - but we want to convert to bottled gas. Does
anyone on here know of any kits or literature. I have found Twyfords do
it for you or sell kits to Corgi registered engineers. Any help would be
good.
Many thanks indeed.
Inger

Why do you want to convert to bottled gas if you already have oil? I
assume you mean a permanently installed LPG system and not cylinders -
you may find the fuel consumption with cylinders is unattractive.

How much do you spend on oil leaving your Aga on all the time? Oil is now so
costly and even though we have just had a new central heating
boiler(condensing) installed we are still spending too much. So it would be
interesting to know the cost of running the Aga please.
Inger


"Harry Ziman" hziman at clara dot co dot uk wrote in message
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It should provide background heat and will certainly keep things warm, but
have you considered cooking on it? We found it very easy to adapt to our
Aga. I can certainly understand not wanting solid fuel, but I don't think
the fuel consumption will be greatly affected by the small amounts of
cooking. I would contact Aga-Rayburn and ask them about the fuel
consumption levels and estimate how long cylinders will last. I assume you
would need to leave it running all the time by the way - if this is not
the case then my fears may be misplaced. We leave our Aga (oil) running
for months at a time, only shutting it down during long holidays or for
servicing.

Hope that is helpful

Harry
"Inger Morris" wrote in message
...
The Rayburn is solid fuel and we don't want to convert to oil (as central
heating is oil) and just wanted the Rayburn in the kitchen with a bit of
background heat and the ovens to keep food/plates warm - I shall still
cook on my hob and fan oven - so without mains gas thought we would have
bottled gas instead.
Inger

"Harry Ziman" hziman at clara dot co dot uk wrote in message
...

"Inger Morris" wrote in message
...
Hello - I am new to this newsgroup and hope that someone might have a
little bit of information to make hubby happy. We have just got hold of
a 1953 Rayburn in original condition - but it is solid fuel. Hubby
being a clever old stick and an a spark reckons he can convert to
bottled gas. We don't want it oil like our central heating and there
are quite a few places that sell oil kits - but we want to convert to
bottled gas. Does anyone on here know of any kits or literature. I have
found Twyfords do it for you or sell kits to Corgi registered
engineers. Any help would be good.
Many thanks indeed.
Inger

Why do you want to convert to bottled gas if you already have oil? I
assume you mean a permanently installed LPG system and not cylinders -
you may find the fuel consumption with cylinders is unattractive.

"Inger Morris" wrote in message
...
The Rayburn is solid fuel and we don't want to convert to oil (as central
heating is oil) and just wanted the Rayburn in the kitchen with a bit of
background heat and the ovens to keep food/plates warm - I shall still
cook on my hob and fan oven - so without mains gas thought we would have
bottled gas instead.
Inger


Presumably you have in mind a heat source for use during power cuts or
running out of oil?
I would comment that lpg is a particularly unforgiving fuel in the event of
a poor joint. an invisible puddle of gas builds up on the floor until it
ignites devastatingly. Also I was informed by a householder who had an lpg
Aga with a voracious appetite for gas that he had called Aga in to it only
to be assured that twenty pounds a week for gas in 1990 was not considered
unusual. They are not built with fuel economy in mind and I'd expect a
conversion to be even less efficient than a straight lpg build one.
You pays your money and you takes your choice

On Mon, 2 May 2005 22:52:02 +0000 (UTC), "Inger Morris"
wrote:

How much do you spend on oil leaving your Aga on all the time? Oil is now so
costly and even though we have just had a new central heating
boiler(condensing) installed we are still spending too much. So it would be
interesting to know the cost of running the Aga please.
Inger


It's in the technical section on Aga-Rayburn's web site, Inger

We have a natural gas Aga and it uses between 500 and 700W.

However, it is fairly new and possibly the insulation is better than
on older models. Also the behaviour of a Rayburn is rather
different, because it is expected that it will be run at low burn rate
and then turned up for cooking.

http://195.224.169.22/agarayburn/rayburn/fuelconsum.htm

On this basis with cook-only mode, the Cookmaster Plus would get
through about 6kg of LPG in 24hrs according to the specs.

The equivalent sized Aga is specfied at around 4kg/24hrs.

However, these are quite generous.



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"Inger Morris" wrote in message
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How much do you spend on oil leaving your Aga on all the time? Oil is now
so costly and even though we have just had a new central heating
boiler(condensing) installed we are still spending too much. So it would
be interesting to know the cost of running the Aga please.
Inger


To be honest I don't know. We have 2 oil fired boilers plus the Aga (which
heats half out hot water ... a boiler does the other half - we have 2 hot
water circuits) so it is not easy to tell from actual consumption. The Aga
is set with two flow rates - low @ 4ml/min and high at 8ml per minute - the
thermostat switched between them to maintain temperature. This works out at
between 5 and 11 litres of oil per day - between £1 and £2 I guess. From
memory 11 gallons per week according to an Aga spec.

It is a great cooker though.

"John" wrote in message
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"Inger Morris" wrote in message
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The Rayburn is solid fuel and we don't want to convert to oil (as central
heating is oil) and just wanted the Rayburn in the kitchen with a bit of
background heat and the ovens to keep food/plates warm - I shall still
cook on my hob and fan oven - so without mains gas thought we would have
bottled gas instead.
Inger


Presumably you have in mind a heat source for use during power cuts or
running out of oil?
I would comment that lpg is a particularly unforgiving fuel in the event
of a poor joint. an invisible puddle of gas builds up on the floor until
it ignites devastatingly. Also I was informed by a householder who had an
lpg Aga with a voracious appetite for gas that he had called Aga in to it
only to be assured that twenty pounds a week for gas in 1990 was not
considered unusual. They are not built with fuel economy in mind and I'd
expect a conversion to be even less efficient than a straight lpg build
one.
You pays your money and you takes your choice

Does an LPG Rayburn operate without power? Our oil Aga has an electrically
operated thermostat and defaults to "low" when the power is off, a
significant reduction in temperature.

"Harry Ziman" hziman at clara dot co dot uk wrote in message
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"John" wrote in message
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"Inger Morris" wrote in message
...
The Rayburn is solid fuel and we don't want to convert to oil (as
central heating is oil) and just wanted the Rayburn in the kitchen with
a bit of background heat and the ovens to keep food/plates warm - I
shall still cook on my hob and fan oven - so without mains gas thought
we would have bottled gas instead.
Inger


Presumably you have in mind a heat source for use during power cuts or
running out of oil?
I would comment that lpg is a particularly unforgiving fuel in the event
of a poor joint. an invisible puddle of gas builds up on the floor until
it ignites devastatingly. Also I was informed by a householder who had an
lpg Aga with a voracious appetite for gas that he had called Aga in to it
only to be assured that twenty pounds a week for gas in 1990 was not
considered unusual. They are not built with fuel economy in mind and I'd
expect a conversion to be even less efficient than a straight lpg build
one.
You pays your money and you takes your choice

Does an LPG Rayburn operate without power? Our oil Aga has an electrically
operated thermostat and defaults to "low" when the power is off, a
significant reduction in temperature.

I am not sure about the current ranges but I'm fairly certain the version I
mentioned had a capillary thermostat mounted onto the gas valve. My memory
isn't too good after all this time.

Certainly oil fired Agas had a choice of low/high modulation via a
thermostat or a turn up/down control knob on the BM float control box, which
while open loop control did give progressive flame modulation to the cook.

On Tue, 3 May 2005 21:21:18 +0000 (UTC), "John"
wrote:


"Harry Ziman" hziman at clara dot co dot uk wrote in message
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"John" wrote in message
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"Inger Morris" wrote in message
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The Rayburn is solid fuel and we don't want to convert to oil (as
central heating is oil) and just wanted the Rayburn in the kitchen with
a bit of background heat and the ovens to keep food/plates warm - I
shall still cook on my hob and fan oven - so without mains gas thought
we would have bottled gas instead.
Inger


Presumably you have in mind a heat source for use during power cuts or
running out of oil?
I would comment that lpg is a particularly unforgiving fuel in the event
of a poor joint. an invisible puddle of gas builds up on the floor until
it ignites devastatingly. Also I was informed by a householder who had an
lpg Aga with a voracious appetite for gas that he had called Aga in to it
only to be assured that twenty pounds a week for gas in 1990 was not
considered unusual. They are not built with fuel economy in mind and I'd
expect a conversion to be even less efficient than a straight lpg build
one.
You pays your money and you takes your choice

Does an LPG Rayburn operate without power? Our oil Aga has an electrically
operated thermostat and defaults to "low" when the power is off, a
significant reduction in temperature.

I am not sure about the current ranges but I'm fairly certain the version I
mentioned had a capillary thermostat mounted onto the gas valve. My memory
isn't too good after all this time.

Certainly oil fired Agas had a choice of low/high modulation via a
thermostat or a turn up/down control knob on the BM float control box, which
while open loop control did give progressive flame modulation to the cook.



The NG Aga does not require an electrical supply unless it's the model
with the fan powered small flue. Current model LPG ones are the
same. There is a gas valve with capillary thermostat which modulates
the burner.

Some Rayburn models have the facility to turn the burner in the
cooking part up and down. I am not certain if that involves external
power. The heating models with timer obviously do.



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On Fri, 6 May 2005 22:03:55 +0100, (Steve Firth)
wrote:

Andy Hall wrote:

On this basis with cook-only mode, the Cookmaster Plus would get
through about 6kg of LPG in 24hrs according to the specs.

The equivalent sized Aga is specfied at around 4kg/24hrs.

And my LPG powered cooker uses 13Kg LPG per quarter.

Are you still going to try and defend the Aga/Rayburn/


I don't need to defend anything.



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On Sat, 7 May 2005 23:11:41 +0100, (Steve Firth)
wrote:

Andy Hall wrote:

Are you still going to try and defend the Aga/Rayburn/

I don't need to defend anything.

You keep telling yourself that.


As I said - there's no need.



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On Sat, 7 May 2005 23:53:38 +0100, (Steve Firth)
wrote:

Andy Hall wrote:

On Sat, 7 May 2005 23:11:41 +0100, (Steve Firth)
wrote:

Andy Hall wrote:

Are you still going to try and defend the Aga/Rayburn/

I don't need to defend anything.

You keep telling yourself that.


As I said - there's no need.

As I said, you keep telling yourself that. Useless for heating, useless
for cooking, useless for DHW and now, by your own admission, grossly
inefficient.

Don't you have anything better to think about than to attempt to pick
silly arguments?

If you don't want to have an Aga or a Rayburn or can't afford one,
that's up to you. I enjoy having my Aga. It cooks well and I don't
need to use it for hot water.

In the context of total energy used in the house, that which it does
use is a minor factor and the majority of the little extraneous energy
produced is released within the envelope of the house anyway.

I certainly don't need to justify it to anybody.



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On Sun, 8 May 2005 21:18:10 +0100, (Steve Firth)
wrote:

Andy Hall wrote:

I certainly don't need to justify it to anybody.

You keep telling yourself that.


Sigh.....



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Andy Hall wrote:
On Sun, 8 May 2005 21:18:10 +0100, (Steve Firth)
wrote:

Andy Hall wrote:

I certainly don't need to justify it to anybody.

You keep telling yourself that.


Sigh.....



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Thanks for everyone's help....comments/observations. Have come to the
conclusion that we will convert the Rayburn to oil. Apparently there
are two kits available, one automatic that is noisey and one manual
that is quiet. We shall have the manual one and only put Rayburn on
when we want the kitchen hot and cosy in the winter - else we will
resort to normal cooker and central heating. Its just a social thing
really. Think bottle gas is a no no. But again thanks everyone for all
your time.
Regards
Inger