"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:38:30 +0100, "IMM" wrote:


"Grunff" wrote in message
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Huge wrote:

Can't be. We don't like it, either.

Ahem... Well, we do. We installed our first lot in our first house
about
7 - 8 years ago, when it was still a pretty new thing. We loved having
a
nice wipe-clean surface all over the floor, with no gaps in it. Back
then, Pergo was the only decent make around.

We've only done one room in laminate in this house, and that's the TV
room/library. We like it lots. It's nice. ;-)

It is also very good for doing the tango on.


Don't you find that your stillettos dig in?

I don't throw knives at the floor. ...or have snakes.

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
Ohmygawd - it's THEM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How on earth have this pair of incompetants conned another TV station
to
allow them to ponce around throwing wobblies at the slightest problem
?

a) They are lefties

b) They are fairies.

Nuff said?


Thanks be to whoever determined we can't get Channel 5 here !!!!


Where's here?...

The Peak District

"Grunff" wrote in message
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Huge wrote:

Ahh, you see, we have this miraculous machine called a "vacuum cleaner".
I
can strongly recommend them

Hmmm... do you have cats? Do they like mud?

Ah - you need a LOUD POWERFUL vacuum cleaner. One attempt to suck moggy up
and it never comes in the room again.

"Grunff" wrote in message
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It beggars belief that people will
spend half a year's wages on a tin box that depreciates from day one and
skimp on the trimmings in their much much more valuable asset that they
live
in.

I couldn't agree more, and can assure you that this is one thing I'm not
guilty of. We've spent approximately 200x on the house so far than we
have on both our cars!

So the car is worth less than the tools in it ?

BTW, have you killed your PPP hammer drill yet ?

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message

*Some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill.

Are these automatically generated or where you thinking of IMM when you
wrote this one ?

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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Personally, I'd prefer a quality coloured suite - provided it's not
avocado, pink or dark blue, to a cheap new white deal from B&Q that bends
wherever you touch it.


We both hate white suites. Last house had champagne which was a standard
colour from everybody but now appears to be an obsolete colour.

Instead pergamon or similar is offered by some manufacturers. But each
company's version is different and as we want an Airbath and they don't make
toilets we've had to choose those on the best match we can get, not the
style we would like.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:57:08 +0100, "G&M"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
.. .

Carpet in an environment that is going to range from damp to wet is
not good. Curiously, the UK seems to be about the only country in
Europe that does it.

Spain and Russia spring to mind, albeit based on hotels, not homes.

In any case a good waterproofed carpet is not going to retain water no
matter how damp the bathroom. And if you are getting that much moisture
on
the floor perhaps preventing the cause might be a good move.


I've been to numerous hotels in Spain and none had carpet in the
bathroom - more typically stone of some kind. These were good
business hotels....

Carlton in Madrid. Surprised me as most hotels are tiled of course.

Also remembered there was one in Verona, 5* one down the road from Juliet's
balcony.
Carpet was a deep claret. And of course guess who discovered that Italian
baths don't always have overflows after a long phone call. Every towel went
back to housekeeping with a pink tinge.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Huge wrote:
(I *like* carpet in bathrooms. But if you don't, how long does it take
to wrench it up and get a nice man from John Lewis to come and lay
Amtico?)

I do too. It may not be practical if you have young kids or make a habit
of peeing on the floor,

Perhaps those with an adversion to carpet in bathrooms are those with bad
aims.

On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:02:38 +0100, "IMM" wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On 27 Jul 2004 14:30:37 GMT, (Huge) wrote:

Tony Bryer writes:
In article , Timothy Murphy wrote:
Why avocado baths, as a matter of interest?
Does it just mean the colour,
or is this a particular kind of bath?

Any colour except white.

The one I just tore out was "cranberry".

The one in the en-suite (7 years gone) was "avacado". (I got £50 for
it, too!)

Both replaced with white.

If you want a coloured bathroom, paint the walls!


Here's my prediction. In five years time, people will be ripping out
white bathroom ware because the fashion pundits, lefties and fairies
say that it is too cold and sterile.

How long have you had your avocado suite?


I didn't say that I had an opinion one way or the other - it was just
an observation. Before coloured suites became popular, white was
all there was. Like any other fashion, I am sure that it will go
full circle - sort of like Mandy being in and out of office.





..andy

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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:19:40 +0100, "G&M"
wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Huge wrote:
(I *like* carpet in bathrooms. But if you don't, how long does it take
to wrench it up and get a nice man from John Lewis to come and lay
Amtico?)

I do too. It may not be practical if you have young kids or make a habit
of peeing on the floor,

Perhaps those with an adversion to carpet in bathrooms are those with bad
aims.



That would depend on whether one is allowed to stand, and maybe some
other "factors".....




..andy

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"G&M" wrote in message
...

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
Ohmygawd - it's THEM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How on earth have this pair of incompetants conned another TV
station
to
allow them to ponce around throwing wobblies at the slightest
problem
?

a) They are lefties

b) They are fairies.

Nuff said?

Thanks be to whoever determined we can't get Channel 5 here !!!!

Where's here?...

The Peak District

The pits! Ever been to Chesterfield? What a dump! The worst place in the
UK after Aberdeen and south London. Aberdeen? Now that is a dump.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...

I do too. It may not be practical if you have young kids or make a
habit
of peeing on the floor,

Perhaps those with an adversion to carpet in bathrooms are those with bad
aims.

That would depend on whether one is allowed to stand, and maybe some
other "factors".....


Not allowed ??

On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:03:39 +0100, "IMM" wrote:



It is also very good for doing the tango on.


Don't you find that your stillettos dig in?

I don't throw knives at the floor. ...or have snakes.

Probably not of any kind.......


..andy

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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:46:11 +0100, "G&M"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
.. .

I do too. It may not be practical if you have young kids or make a
habit
of peeing on the floor,

Perhaps those with an adversion to carpet in bathrooms are those with bad
aims.

That would depend on whether one is allowed to stand, and maybe some
other "factors".....


Not allowed ??

Definitely not - more than my life's worth.



..andy

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Andy Hall wrote:

That would depend on whether one is allowed to stand, and maybe some
other "factors".....

Complete the following limerick:

There once was a lady from Rheims,
alas she ****ed in four streams,
Investigations abound,
a shirt button was found,


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John.

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"Huge" wrote:
Tony Bryer writes:
In article , Timothy Murphy wrote:
Why avocado baths, as a matter of interest?
Does it just mean the colour,
or is this a particular kind of bath?

Any colour except white.

The one I just tore out was "cranberry".

The one in the en-suite (7 years gone) was "avacado". (I got £50 for
it, too!)

I gave the intact bits of our avocado suite with a guy at the local tip.
He had a couple of broken bits on his and couldn't get replacements.

Now I can dump pretty much what I like, when I like.

Al

"Grunff" wrote in message
...
Huge wrote:

Ahh, you see, we have this miraculous machine called a "vacuum cleaner".
I
can strongly recommend them

Hmmm... do you have cats? Do they like mud?

Obviously people who dont know much about cats - or have odd cats!

Cats generally do not like mud. They prefer nice dry condiditons. Mud takes
a lot of licking off when you clean yourself!.

Kids and dogs on the other hand just love rolling in mud , in my experience.

Having said that, Carpets are my personal preference. I hate wood floors and
laminates. They look cheap and they are dangerous ( try walking through with
wet schoes on or socks ..... and falling flat on your wherewithall. It
aint funny)

G&M wrote:

So the car is worth less than the tools in it ?

Significantly.


BTW, have you killed your PPP hammer drill yet ?

Depends what you mean by killed. It's spitting out the bit fairly
routinely now, which is quite amusing. But it's still running. You?

--
Grunff

mich wrote:


Cats generally do not like mud. They prefer nice dry condiditons. Mud takes
a lot of licking off when you clean yourself!.

Absolutely, but they *love* rabbits, and catching rabbits involves a lot
of mud. They seem to think it's worth getting really dirty for.

--
Grunff

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
news
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 01:02:38 +0100, "IMM" wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On 27 Jul 2004 14:30:37 GMT, (Huge) wrote:

Tony Bryer writes:
In article , Timothy Murphy
wrote:
Why avocado baths, as a matter of interest?
Does it just mean the colour,
or is this a particular kind of bath?

Any colour except white.

The one I just tore out was "cranberry".

The one in the en-suite (7 years gone) was "avacado". (I got £50 for
it, too!)

Both replaced with white.

If you want a coloured bathroom, paint the walls!


Here's my prediction. In five years time, people will be ripping out
white bathroom ware because the fashion pundits, lefties and fairies
say that it is too cold and sterile.

How long have you had your avocado suite?


I didn't say that I had an opinion one way or the other - it was just
an observation. Before coloured suites became popular, white was
all there was. Like any other fashion, I am sure that it will go
full circle - sort of like Mandy being in and out of office.

I dont think white has even been in or out of "fashion". Its always been
there.
Clever people use white because of that and change the wallpaper and
flooring and maybe the bath panel.

White actually allows you to change the colour of your bathroom.

I have an avacado suite - I got it with my house. Its perfectly serviceable
and thats why its kept ( I also have a partner who says if it aint broke you
dont change it as its a waste of money!).
However, I hate the colour.

It always looks dirty and murky no matter how many times you clean down the
loo.
You cant see clean water - only dark green. If there is anything in there,
you cant see it.
Neither can you see scum in the basin very well!

The bath now has manky marks /stains ( like baths get with age ). Again
they make it look dirty.
Its a bugger to clean. ( but it will also be a b to take out because its
cast iron)

You are limited to what colour you can paint/decorate the bathroom. Some
colours simply do not "go" with avacado. You have to use a lot of white
because the bathroom suite is so dark. The only choice in colour is either
lemon, peach or white to go - and that includes towels. Everything else
clashed cronically!

I would love to get rid of it and put in white!
But the other half says no simply because there is nothing wrong with the
existing sanitary ware.

Coloured bathroom suites are yuk!

"mich" wrote in message
...


sorry about all the typo's - having a bad day. ( Chronic day actually)



I dont think white has even been in or out of "fashion". Its always been
there.
Clever people use white because of that and change the wallpaper and
flooring and maybe the bath panel.

White actually allows you to change the colour of your bathroom.

I have an avacado suite - I got it with my house. Its perfectly
serviceable
and thats why its kept ( I also have a partner who says if it aint broke
you
dont change it as its a waste of money!).
However, I hate the colour.

It always looks dirty and murky no matter how many times you clean down
the
loo.
You cant see clean water - only dark green. If there is anything in there,
you cant see it.
Neither can you see scum in the basin very well!

The bath now has manky marks /stains ( like baths get with age ). Again
they make it look dirty.
Its a bugger to clean. ( but it will also be a b to take out because its
cast iron)

You are limited to what colour you can paint/decorate the bathroom. Some
colours simply do not "go" with avacado. You have to use a lot of white
because the bathroom suite is so dark. The only choice in colour is
either
lemon, peach or white to go - and that includes towels. Everything else
clashed cronically!

I would love to get rid of it and put in white!
But the other half says no simply because there is nothing wrong with the
existing sanitary ware.

Coloured bathroom suites are yuk!

"Grunff" wrote in message
...
G&M wrote:

So the car is worth less than the tools in it ?

Significantly.


BTW, have you killed your PPP hammer drill yet ?

Depends what you mean by killed. It's spitting out the bit fairly
routinely now, which is quite amusing. But it's still running. You?

He hasn't taken it out of the box yet.

In article ,
G&M wrote:
*Some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill.

Are these automatically generated or where you thinking of IMM when you
wrote this one ?

No - killing's too good for IMM.

--
* What do they call a coffee break at the Lipton Tea Company? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
IMM wrote:
The pits! Ever been to Chesterfield? What a dump! The worst place in
the UK after Aberdeen and south London. Aberdeen? Now that is a dump.

Surely the list of places you've been thrown out of after being found out
is larger than this?

--
*Windows will never cease *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

IMM wrote:

He hasn't taken it out of the box yet.

You haven't been following the PP SDS discussion, have you.

--
Grunff

"Huge" wrote
| Ahh, you see, we have this miraculous machine called a
| "vacuum cleaner". I can strongly recommend them

Fence-sitter, why can't you just say Henr^WDyso^WHenr^WDyso ...

Owain

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote
| Personally, I'd prefer a quality coloured suite - provided
| it's not avocado, pink or dark blue,

'Pampas' isn't great either. Was rapidly renamed Baby Diarrhoea in my house.

Owain

G&M wrote:
"Grunff" wrote in message
...

Huge wrote:


Ahh, you see, we have this miraculous machine called a "vacuum cleaner".

I

can strongly recommend them

Hmmm... do you have cats? Do they like mud?


Ah - you need a LOUD POWERFUL vacuum cleaner. One attempt to suck moggy up
and it never comes in the room again.



Not true IMHO. SWMBO's cats (5 plus 2 longers) are so used to the
sounds of DIY that you can start up a Large circular saw in the same
room and they don't even look up. But they don't like the sound of a
bike pump

NB

"G&M" wrote
| "Andy Hall" wrote
| Perhaps those with an adversion to carpet in bathrooms are
| those with bad aims.
| That would depend on whether one is allowed to stand, and
| maybe some other "factors".....
| Not allowed ??

other "factors" ???

What does our Andy have that other men don't? Although I suppose something
like

seriously squeamish alert
http://www.bmezine.com/service/sampl...alepierce3.jpg
/seriously squeamish

might cause spray problems

Owain

In article ,
Owain wrote:
seriously squeamish alert
http://www.bmezine.com/service/sampl...alepierce3.jpg
/seriously squeamish

might cause spray problems

Called a Prince Albert or more commonly just PA. I sometimes work with a
chap who's said to have one. He's also got multiple ear rings. We call him
scrapyard.

--
Is the hardness of the butter proportional to the softness of the bread?*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Arthur" wrote in message ...
"N. Thornton" wrote in message
om...

And I don't think that stone cladding is due to be camp for another 3
years
or so, ducky


Er, why are you calling me 'ducky' Arthur?

I was told you have a humorous walk.


i see you like to make stuff up then.

Regards, NT

I have the tools.

Arthur

"N. Thornton" wrote in message
om...
"Arthur" wrote in message
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"N. Thornton" wrote in message
om...

And I don't think that stone cladding is due to be camp for another
3
years
or so, ducky


Er, why are you calling me 'ducky' Arthur?

I was told you have a humorous walk.


i see you like to make stuff up then.

Regards, NT

In message , G&M
writes

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
. Before anybody gets
all PC on me I have a prancing puff for a brother so I know what I am
talking about.


Not as prancing as this pair I hope. The quiet one is ok but Justin brings
out the Texan I didn't know was in me.


That could probably have been phrased a little better

--
geoff

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
I do too. It may not be practical if you have young kids or make a
habit
of peeing on the floor,

Perhaps those with an adversion to carpet in bathrooms are those with
bad
aims.

That would depend on whether one is allowed to stand, and maybe some
other "factors".....


Not allowed ??

Definitely not - more than my life's worth.

Bloody hell. This group is dominated with SWMBOs. What happened to good
old love honour and OBEY !!

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
IMM wrote:
The pits! Ever been to Chesterfield? What a dump! The worst place in
the UK after Aberdeen and south London. Aberdeen? Now that is a dump.

Surely the list of places you've been thrown out of after being found out
is larger than this?

Why has IMM mentioned Chesterfield ? It's nowhere near the Peak District.

And yes - it's a dump. There - I've agreed with IMM. I will now go and cut
my wrists :-)

Andy Hall wrote:

On 26 Jul 2004 09:44:25 GMT, (Huge) wrote:


(Simon) writes:

List, in order, I'm sure you can guess which way up !

[14 lines snipped]


Gigantic sofas, oversized furniture and clutter

Bizarre, given that the old owners will take all this away with them.


They are confusing marketing the property with things that really
would reduce value.

Having said that, having too much/too large furniture in a smallish
room makes it look smaller. It's a question of whether buyers can
see past that or not.


That is the thing.

Emotional percepton is what dictates the price.

A young yuppie couple want to see bright clean post modern cubist
tendencies everywhere. And off street parking.

Families with kids will look at te size of the toy cupboards.

Older experienced buyers with capital and no income will inspect the
insulation thoroughly etc.

My attitude is 'what would I pay for that if it were perfect FOR ME,
minus what I need to spend to make it so'

A fair few houses that I looked at ended up on the negative side of zero...

It seems to me you have to put yourself in the shoes of the target
market. And spend money to make it exactly what they want, or will want
when they see it.



.andy

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"Grunff" wrote in message
...
G&M wrote:

So the car is worth less than the tools in it ?

Significantly.

Have you got insurance for them ? My latest policy restricts me to £100 of
tools in the car. Didn't know this until the policy arrived a month after
paying for it.

WTF can you get a single decent power tool for £100 let alone a whole set
!!!!!



BTW, have you killed your PPP hammer drill yet ?

Depends what you mean by killed. It's spitting out the bit fairly
routinely now, which is quite amusing. But it's still running. You?


It's dug a 10' long trench in 6" concrete and 18" of slate/bedrock for the
new drain. If that was it it would be well paid for.

But actually it seems to want to carry on. Has spat the bit out once now
so I assume it's wearing in/out.

About to demolish an outside wall with it. If it survives that I will be
amazed.

GAM wrote:

"Huge" wrote in message
...

(Carpets in bathrooms are another. I was also suprised to see that
the Guardian list had laminate floors as a no-no.


Well if you can't have carpet in the bathroom, and can't have wood, what are
you supposed to have if you don't like cold tiles and regard vinyl as a
modern version of lino.


Sawdust?

N. Thornton wrote:

John Smith wrote in message ...

John Rumm wrote:


What a load of ******** this programme was, all you need is a bit of


Yes having certain things will stop you being able to ask full whack for
your house but not by the ridiculous amounts they were talking about.


Yes I agree, having experienced some of these issues and had
professional valuations that returned a fraction of the price
adjustments they mentioned.

But its TV... the more they talk **** the more attention they get. Its
how tv works. If they quoted a more realistic 20% of those figures we
wouldnt be talking about it so much.

The one that continues to surprise me is pine. Pine furniture
continuse to be considered preferred goods, plenty of people are quite
keen on pine. And of course some arent. Some may not like it, but many
certainly do.

Pine is the 19th century equivalent of Contiboard.

Its total crap and can't see why wanyone would want it excepet to
either paint it as quickly as possible (as the victorians did) or go fr
a scandinavian look (which is basiocally equvalent to MFI white laminate
in Ikea speak.

Or I suppose stripped pine as a sort of post-modern punk/grunge/pikey
'statement'

Like razor blades in your ears or something.


Well I scored 5/20... but the estate agent thought 2 of those
increased value, and I agree.


Regards, NT

G&M wrote:

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:37:20 +0100, "G&M"
wrote:


"Huge" wrote in message
...

(Carpets in bathrooms are another. I was also suprised to see that
the Guardian list had laminate floors as a no-no.

Well if you can't have carpet in the bathroom, and can't have wood, what

are

you supposed to have if you don't like cold tiles and regard vinyl as a
modern version of lino.


Stone or ceramic tiles? These can easily be warmed.



Can't stand them ! Reminds me of school showers.

Heat them then. And avoid plain white small ones.


We have a fitted carpet
which we replace every now and then but why people find this such a no-no is
beyond me.


I don;t rehard it as a nonon, just something that has to be ripped up
and tiled.

-£1000

And in any case when you are buying a house, furniture is removed so
shouldn't affect the price, and carpets can be. Really can't see why one
has to fit what you think others *might* like just to get a sale.



Then you are a poor salesman.

The essence of selling is to capture the imagination of your target
market. This is hard when most of them have very little.

It behooves you to pander to their idiosyncrasies.