I managed to miss tonights program with "the boys" (was watching Top
Gear instead and did not notice is was on until too late!).

Hence was wondering what their suggestions were going to be for things
to do to devalue your property. SWMBO and I guessed that stone cladding
and avacado bathroom suites would be there somewhere in the list, but
what else did they have to say?



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"John Rumm" wrote

I managed to miss tonights program with "the boys" (was watching Top
Gear instead and did not notice is was on until too late!).

Hence was wondering what their suggestions were going to be for things
to do to devalue your property. SWMBO and I guessed that stone cladding
and avacado bathroom suites would be there somewhere in the list, but
what else did they have to say?


See http://www.five.tv/home/frameset/?content=6542036

Go to the programme, then click "20 ways".

Barbara

See http://www.five.tv/home/frameset/?content=6542036

Go to the programme, then click "20 ways".

Barbara

Could not see much from the link above. More on this one
http://money.guardian.co.uk/housepri...266300,00.html

I am very surprised to see laminate flooring is at no. 18!

"simulet" wrote

See http://www.five.tv/home/frameset/?content=6542036

Go to the programme, then click "20 ways".

Barbara


Could not see much from the link above. More on this one
http://money.guardian.co.uk/housepri...266300,00.html

I am very surprised to see laminate flooring is at no. 18!


Thanks. Yes, me too: really the only surprise in that list. Given that I'm
planning refurbishment, and likely to sell in couple of years, it's worth
knowing.

But I wonder just how much that particular item depends on the target
market? I can see it still being attractive to many young professionals.

Barbara

wrote in message
...
"simulet" wrote

See http://www.five.tv/home/frameset/?content=6542036

Go to the programme, then click "20 ways".

Barbara


Could not see much from the link above. More on this one
http://money.guardian.co.uk/housepri...266300,00.html

I am very surprised to see laminate flooring is at no. 18!


Thanks. Yes, me too: really the only surprise in that list. Given that
I'm
planning refurbishment, and likely to sell in couple of years, it's worth
knowing.

But I wonder just how much that particular item depends on the target
market? I can see it still being attractive to many young professionals.

My wife and I are "young professionals" and we can't stand the stuff.
Al

On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:13:41 +0100, "Al Reynolds"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
"simulet" wrote

See http://www.five.tv/home/frameset/?content=6542036

Go to the programme, then click "20 ways".

Barbara


Could not see much from the link above. More on this one
http://money.guardian.co.uk/housepri...266300,00.html

I am very surprised to see laminate flooring is at no. 18!


Thanks. Yes, me too: really the only surprise in that list. Given that
I'm
planning refurbishment, and likely to sell in couple of years, it's worth
knowing.

But I wonder just how much that particular item depends on the target
market? I can see it still being attractive to many young professionals.

My wife and I are "young professionals" and we can't stand the stuff.
Al


I don't think that it's targetted at young professionals - or old ones
for that matter.......



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wrote in message
...

See http://www.five.tv/home/frameset/?content=6542036

Go to the programme, then click "20 ways".

Barbara


Ohmygawd - it's THEM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How on earth have this pair of incompetants conned another TV station to
allow them to ponce around throwing wobblies at the slightest problem ?

In article , G&M
wrote:

Ohmygawd - it's THEM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How on earth have this pair of incompetants conned another TV station to
allow them to ponce around throwing wobblies at the slightest problem ?

a) They are lefties

b) They are fairies.

Nuff said?

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"Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics)" wrote in message
. ..
In article , G&M
wrote:

Ohmygawd - it's THEM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How on earth have this pair of incompetants conned another TV station to
allow them to ponce around throwing wobblies at the slightest problem ?

a) They are lefties

How do you know?

b) They are fairies.

Nuff said?

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In article ,
IMM wrote:
a) They are lefties

How do you know?

b) They are fairies.

He slept with both of them at a Labour party conference?

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"Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics)" wrote in message
. ..
In article , G&M
wrote:

Ohmygawd - it's THEM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How on earth have this pair of incompetants conned another TV station to
allow them to ponce around throwing wobblies at the slightest problem ?

a) They are lefties

b) They are fairies.

Nuff said?


Thanks be to whoever determined we can't get Channel 5 here !!!!

In article , G&M
writes

"Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics)" wrote in message
...
In article , G&M
wrote:

Ohmygawd - it's THEM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How on earth have this pair of incompetants conned another TV station to
allow them to ponce around throwing wobblies at the slightest problem ?

a) They are lefties

b) They are fairies.

Nuff said?


Thanks be to whoever determined we can't get Channel 5 here !!!!



Where's here?...
--
Tony Sayer

Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics) wrote:

In article , G&M
wrote:

Ohmygawd - it's THEM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How on earth have this pair of incompetants conned another TV station to
allow them to ponce around throwing wobblies at the slightest problem ?


a) They are lefties

b) They are fairies.

Nuff said?

Is that the Mandelbrot effect?

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics) wrote:

In article , G&M
wrote:

Ohmygawd - it's THEM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How on earth have this pair of incompetants conned another TV station to
allow them to ponce around throwing wobblies at the slightest problem ?


a) They are lefties

b) They are fairies.

Nuff said?

Is that the Mandelbrot effect?


I think you mean Mandelson, the Hartlepool Looney.

Cheers
Clive

In message ,
writes
"John Rumm" wrote

I managed to miss tonights program with "the boys" (was watching Top
Gear instead and did not notice is was on until too late!).

Hence was wondering what their suggestions were going to be for things
to do to devalue your property. SWMBO and I guessed that stone cladding
and avacado bathroom suites would be there somewhere in the list, but
what else did they have to say?


See http://www.five.tv/home/frameset/?content=6542036

Go to the programme, then click "20 ways".

"Property Experts" ????

Lucky I wasn't drinking coffee at the time, the monitor survives another
day

How did these two ever get on the TV ?

No don't answer that

--
geoff

In article , raden
writes

"Property Experts" ????

Lucky I wasn't drinking coffee at the time, the monitor survives another
day

Mind you, going by the web site (I missed the prog), they seem to have
turned a chintzy suburban nightmare into something a bit smarter and
more up to date.

--
A. Top posters.
Q. What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?

List, in order, I'm sure you can guess which way up !

Not dealing with structural disasters
Bad extensions
Smoking (including smells and dirt)
Swimming Pools
Bad taste exteriors
Artex
UPVC (especially in period properties)
Animals
Bad DIY
Avocado bathroom suites
Nightmare neighbours
Bad layout
Pine
Gigantic sofas, oversized furniture and clutter
Overgrown gardens
Fake features
Dizzy decor
Cheap laminate flooring
Themed rooms
Carpet in the bathroom

On 26 Jul 2004 02:26:23 -0700, (Simon) wrote:

List, in order, I'm sure you can guess which way up !

Not dealing with structural disasters
Bad extensions
Smoking (including smells and dirt)
Swimming Pools
Bad taste exteriors
Artex
UPVC (especially in period properties)
Animals
Bad DIY
Avocado bathroom suites
Nightmare neighbours
Bad layout
Pine
Gigantic sofas, oversized furniture and clutter
Overgrown gardens
Fake features
Dizzy decor
Cheap laminate flooring
Themed rooms
Carpet in the bathroom

I would have thought it'd depend upon what was there when you bought
the house? For instance, you could move into a house that has reallky
grotty lino, put down cheap laminate and the house value would
increase, surely?

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 09:34:32 GMT, (sPoNiX) wrote:

On 26 Jul 2004 02:26:23 -0700, (Simon) wrote:



I would have thought it'd depend upon what was there when you bought
the house? For instance, you could move into a house that has reallky
grotty lino, put down cheap laminate and the house value would
increase, surely?


It would definitely decrease.......
..andy

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In article , Simon
writes
List, in order, I'm sure you can guess which way up !

Not dealing with structural disasters
Bad extensions
Smoking (including smells and dirt)
Swimming Pools
Bad taste exteriors
Artex
UPVC (especially in period properties)
Animals
Bad DIY
Avocado bathroom suites
Nightmare neighbours
Bad layout
Pine
Gigantic sofas, oversized furniture and clutter
Overgrown gardens
Fake features
Dizzy decor
Cheap laminate flooring
Themed rooms
Carpet in the bathroom

Don't forget:

Wearing too much makeup
Dying your hair from mouse to fair highlights
Shouting at the camera
Showing waaaay too much flesh
Liberal sprinkling of camp innuendo
etc . . . . . .

Oh sorry that's a list from how to succeed in low budget television, their
next series . . . .
--
fred

"Simon" wrote in message
om...
List, in order, I'm sure you can guess which way up !

snippage

Cool! So my 'woodchip throughout' is ok then!

"Simon" wrote in message
om...
List, in order, I'm sure you can guess which way up !

Not dealing with structural disasters
Bad extensions
Smoking (including smells and dirt)
Swimming Pools
Bad taste exteriors
Artex

On walls?
On ceilings?

UPVC (especially in period properties)
Animals
Bad DIY
Avocado bathroom suites
Nightmare neighbours
Bad layout
Pine
Gigantic sofas, oversized furniture and clutter
Overgrown gardens
Fake features
Dizzy decor
Cheap laminate flooring

What exactly is cheap? There are some expensive photo laminate floors about
that look good.

Themed rooms
Carpet in the bathroom

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:36:17 +0100, "IMM" wrote:



Cheap laminate flooring

What exactly is cheap? There are some expensive photo laminate floors about
that look good.


Read "any".



..andy

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The REAL bottom line is.

Leaving out
stone cladding
swimming pools (I'm sure that 99% of viewers were discussing that for hours
after the prog ended)

Such properties that have many of the other 18 'features' are often 10-15%
below market price. All of these problems can be erased for the outlay of a
few hundred.
I would be tempted to target these properties to buy a place for 10-20% less
than its worth.

Arthur

"Simon" wrote in message
om...
List, in order, I'm sure you can guess which way up !

Not dealing with structural disasters
Bad extensions
Smoking (including smells and dirt)
Swimming Pools
Bad taste exteriors
Artex
UPVC (especially in period properties)
Animals
Bad DIY
Avocado bathroom suites
Nightmare neighbours
Bad layout
Pine
Gigantic sofas, oversized furniture and clutter
Overgrown gardens
Fake features
Dizzy decor
Cheap laminate flooring
Themed rooms
Carpet in the bathroom

"Arthur" wrote in message
...
The REAL bottom line is.

Leaving out
stone cladding

Stone cladding on a detached house can look really god and give kerb appeal.
Having it on a semi or terraced is the pits.

List, in order, I'm sure you can guess which way up !

Not dealing with structural disasters
Bad extensions
Smoking (including smells and dirt)
Swimming Pools
Bad taste exteriors
Artex
UPVC (especially in period properties)
Animals
Bad DIY
Avocado bathroom suites
Nightmare neighbours
Bad layout
Pine
Gigantic sofas, oversized furniture and clutter
Overgrown gardens
Fake features
Dizzy decor
Cheap laminate flooring
Themed rooms
Carpet in the bathroom

IMM wrote:

Leaving out
stone cladding


Stone cladding on a detached house can look really god and give kerb appeal.
Having it on a semi or terraced is the pits.

In very select circumstances perhaps....

In an area where the local architecture tends to be build from local
stone (e.g. parts of Somerset like Bath), and you wish to make something
built from celcon blocks look more "fitting", stone cladding could be
the answer. It is also very common in places Like Lewes in E. Sussex.
Most of the original buildings there were tiled so as to look like they
were built from masonry. IIRC they are mostly timber frame or a
particularly unattractive local brick underneath.




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John.

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John Rumm wrote:

Leaving out
stone cladding

In very select circumstances perhaps....

In an area where the local architecture tends to be build from local
stone (e.g. parts of Somerset like Bath), and you wish to make
something built from celcon blocks look more "fitting", stone
cladding could be the answer.

Ah yes, in fact the facade of Buckingham Palace was re-clad in Portland
stone nearly a century ago.

--
Toby.

'One day son, all this will be finished'

In article , Simon
writes
List, in order, I'm sure you can guess which way up !

Not dealing with structural disasters
Bad extensions
Smoking (including smells and dirt)
Swimming Pools
Bad taste exteriors
Artex
UPVC (especially in period properties)
Animals
Bad DIY
Avocado bathroom suites
Nightmare neighbours
Bad layout
Pine
Gigantic sofas, oversized furniture and clutter
Overgrown gardens
Fake features
Dizzy decor
Cheap laminate flooring
Themed rooms
Carpet in the bathroom

When I was out testing council flats and houses other bad taste items
we

Brass Georgian dimmer switches
Brass Georgian sockets
Ceiling fans
the above not too bad in large properties but overstated in a small
place.

The other put-offs in the council estates were
Syringes. isopropyl swabs, burnt teaspoons and drugs paraphernalia
Blood and other body fluids splatted around the place
Human faeces in the stairwells

--
Z
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"Z" wrote
| When I was out testing council flats and houses other bad taste
| items we
| Brass Georgian dimmer switches
| Brass Georgian sockets
| Ceiling fans
| the above not too bad in large properties but overstated in a
| small place.

I installed a brass light switch ('victorian' and dolly, not dimmer)
yesterday. It does look a little 'expensive' for the flat because if it was
originally wired (even in victorian times, ha ha) it would have been black
bakelite on a wood pateras, but my excuse is it matches the brass and 'opal'
glass wall light I did at the start of the year, I'm not trying for
authenticity, and as the place was first built in about 1890 it's not like
putting period feechers into Nelson Mandela House Peckham.

Owain

I saw most of it and couldn't work out where they got their 'devalue'
figures from. Supposedly a badly placed downstair toilet can devalue
your house by 6k!
Maybe Carol Vorderman should join them.

John Rumm wrote:
I managed to miss tonights program with "the boys" (was watching Top
Gear instead and did not notice is was on until too late!).

Hence was wondering what their suggestions were going to be for things
to do to devalue your property. SWMBO and I guessed that stone cladding
and avacado bathroom suites would be there somewhere in the list, but
what else did they have to say?




What a load of ******** this programme was, all you need is a bit of
common sense not two prancing puffs spouting crap. Before anybody gets
all PC on me I have a prancing puff for a brother so I know what I am
talking about.

Yes having certain things will stop you being able to ask full whack for
your house but not by the ridiculous amounts they were talking about.


John

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
. Before anybody gets
all PC on me I have a prancing puff for a brother so I know what I am
talking about.


Not as prancing as this pair I hope. The quiet one is ok but Justin brings
out the Texan I didn't know was in me.

In message , G&M
writes

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
. Before anybody gets
all PC on me I have a prancing puff for a brother so I know what I am
talking about.


Not as prancing as this pair I hope. The quiet one is ok but Justin brings
out the Texan I didn't know was in me.


That could probably have been phrased a little better

--
geoff

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , G&M
writes

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
. Before anybody gets
all PC on me I have a prancing puff for a brother so I know what I am
talking about.


Not as prancing as this pair I hope. The quiet one is ok but Justin
brings
out the Texan I didn't know was in me.


That could probably have been phrased a little better


OK, Justin makes me agree with George Bush Jr.

John Smith wrote in message ...
John Rumm wrote:

What a load of ******** this programme was, all you need is a bit of

Yes having certain things will stop you being able to ask full whack for
your house but not by the ridiculous amounts they were talking about.

Yes I agree, having experienced some of these issues and had
professional valuations that returned a fraction of the price
adjustments they mentioned.

But its TV... the more they talk **** the more attention they get. Its
how tv works. If they quoted a more realistic 20% of those figures we
wouldnt be talking about it so much.

The one that continues to surprise me is pine. Pine furniture
continuse to be considered preferred goods, plenty of people are quite
keen on pine. And of course some arent. Some may not like it, but many
certainly do.

Well I scored 5/20... but the estate agent thought 2 of those
increased value, and I agree.


Regards, NT

"N. Thornton" wrote in message
m...
John Smith wrote in message
...
John Rumm wrote:

What a load of ******** this programme was, all you need is a bit of

Yes having certain things will stop you being able to ask full whack for
your house but not by the ridiculous amounts they were talking about.

Yes I agree, having experienced some of these issues and had
professional valuations that returned a fraction of the price
adjustments they mentioned.

But its TV... the more they talk **** the more attention they get. Its
how tv works. If they quoted a more realistic 20% of those figures we
wouldnt be talking about it so much.

The one that continues to surprise me is pine. Pine furniture
continuse to be considered preferred goods, plenty of people are quite
keen on pine. And of course some arent. Some may not like it, but many
certainly do.

Well I scored 5/20... but the estate agent thought 2 of those
increased value, and I agree.


Regards, NT

Pine?!!?

I think poofs are into stainless steel, this year.

And I don't think that stone cladding is due to be camp for another 3 years
or so, ducky

Arthur.

"Arthur" wrote in message ...
"N. Thornton" wrote in message
m...

The one that continues to surprise me is pine. Pine furniture
continuse to be considered preferred goods, plenty of people are quite
keen on pine. And of course some arent. Some may not like it, but many
certainly do.

Well I scored 5/20... but the estate agent thought 2 of those
increased value, and I agree.


Pine?!!?

I think poofs are into stainless steel, this year.

And I don't think that stone cladding is due to be camp for another 3 years
or so, ducky


Er, why are you calling me 'ducky' Arthur?

Regards, NT

"N. Thornton" wrote in message
om...
"Arthur" wrote in message
...
"N. Thornton" wrote in message
m...

The one that continues to surprise me is pine. Pine furniture
continuse to be considered preferred goods, plenty of people are quite
keen on pine. And of course some arent. Some may not like it, but many
certainly do.

Well I scored 5/20... but the estate agent thought 2 of those
increased value, and I agree.


Pine?!!?

I think poofs are into stainless steel, this year.

And I don't think that stone cladding is due to be camp for another 3
years
or so, ducky


Er, why are you calling me 'ducky' Arthur?

Regards, NT

I was told you have a humorous walk.

Arthur

N. Thornton wrote:

John Smith wrote in message ...

John Rumm wrote:


What a load of ******** this programme was, all you need is a bit of


Yes having certain things will stop you being able to ask full whack for
your house but not by the ridiculous amounts they were talking about.


Yes I agree, having experienced some of these issues and had
professional valuations that returned a fraction of the price
adjustments they mentioned.

But its TV... the more they talk **** the more attention they get. Its
how tv works. If they quoted a more realistic 20% of those figures we
wouldnt be talking about it so much.

The one that continues to surprise me is pine. Pine furniture
continuse to be considered preferred goods, plenty of people are quite
keen on pine. And of course some arent. Some may not like it, but many
certainly do.

Pine is the 19th century equivalent of Contiboard.

Its total crap and can't see why wanyone would want it excepet to
either paint it as quickly as possible (as the victorians did) or go fr
a scandinavian look (which is basiocally equvalent to MFI white laminate
in Ikea speak.

Or I suppose stripped pine as a sort of post-modern punk/grunge/pikey
'statement'

Like razor blades in your ears or something.


Well I scored 5/20... but the estate agent thought 2 of those
increased value, and I agree.


Regards, NT

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Pine is the 19th century equivalent of Contiboard.

In much the same way as Dickens was the 19th century Cookson?

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