Anybody know where to get a reasonably priced cattle grid. The best
price I have locally is 750 quid + VAT, which sounds like the bees
knees model, and is more than I wanted to pay.

The steel cost is about 200-300 quid, but I have never welded before.
I could build a castle shaped wall at the ends, and 2 in the middle,
and just sit the steel onto it, as long as I can get the steel out
once a year for cleaning the pit .......

I need to get large tractors to go over the top, so it needs to be
strong, any idea on what size steel section I need ?

I have all the info I need on wether I am allowed to put one where I
want, and the only thing stopping me is that I am not aloowed to make
access down the track more difficult for disabled than able bodied
people, which means a "side gate" is required. This rule pretty much
throws out all but the most expensive gates, and I expect landowners
will ignore it.

I could of cource look at putting an electronic opener on a 5 bar gate
:-)

Thanks
Rick

In article , "Rick"
says...
Anybody know where to get a reasonably priced cattle grid. The best
price I have locally is 750 quid + VAT, which sounds like the bees
knees model, and is more than I wanted to pay.

The steel cost is about 200-300 quid, but I have never welded before.
I could build a castle shaped wall at the ends, and 2 in the middle,
and just sit the steel onto it, as long as I can get the steel out
once a year for cleaning the pit .......

Could you use scrap railway track? Just an idea.

I reckon that a cattle-grid might be the only time you can make it more
difficult for able bodied people than disabled (think about it!) -
especially if using girder section rather than round hollow section.
The commercial grids I have seen range from 2" x 1/4" wall embedded on
concrete supports to 6" x 2" rsj bolted down to sleepers, or welded.
Lots of them around the Forest 'ere.


Phil.

On 1 Apr 2005 07:53:33 -0800, "Phil"
wrote:

I reckon that a cattle-grid might be the only time you can make it more
difficult for able bodied people than disabled (think about it!) -
especially if using girder section rather than round hollow section.
The commercial grids I have seen range from 2" x 1/4" wall embedded on
concrete supports to 6" x 2" rsj bolted down to sleepers, or welded.
Lots of them around the Forest 'ere.


Phil.

It depends what the disability is, a wheelchair may go over easier
then feet, but a blind person may be in big troubble ......

The RSJ bolted to sleeprs sounds a good idea, or I could shape the
sleepres and rest the RSJ in, so they can come out for cleaning the
pit.

A 152x127mm RSJ will take 210 kN on a 1.5 m span, this seems a huge
ammount, like it will take almost the whole weight of the tractor &
trailer, any ideas how low I can go whith this figure ?, a 89x89mm
will take 61kN, which sounds more reasonable.

Rick

"Rob Morley" wrote in message
t...
In article , "Rick"
says...
Anybody know where to get a reasonably priced cattle grid. The
best
price I have locally is 750 quid + VAT, which sounds like the bees
knees model, and is more than I wanted to pay.

snip

Could you use scrap railway track? Just an idea.

If he has access to a crane, yes !...

On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 16:51:37 +0100, Rob Morley
wrote:

In article , "Rick"
says...
Anybody know where to get a reasonably priced cattle grid. The best
price I have locally is 750 quid + VAT, which sounds like the bees
knees model, and is more than I wanted to pay.

The steel cost is about 200-300 quid, but I have never welded before.
I could build a castle shaped wall at the ends, and 2 in the middle,
and just sit the steel onto it, as long as I can get the steel out
once a year for cleaning the pit .......

Could you use scrap railway track? Just an idea.

Any idea where to buy scrap railway track, if it takes hundreds of
tonnes of train, it should take a tractor ?

Rick

In these litigious times you might want to check with your insurers to see
that they will be happy with what you install.

Peter Crosland

On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 17:38:47 +0100, ":::Jerry::::"
wrote:


"Rob Morley" wrote in message
et...
In article , "Rick"
says...
Anybody know where to get a reasonably priced cattle grid. The
best
price I have locally is 750 quid + VAT, which sounds like the bees
knees model, and is more than I wanted to pay.

snip

Could you use scrap railway track? Just an idea.

If he has access to a crane, yes !...

Should not be an issue, I got a half tonne oak truss up single handed.

Rick

"Rick" wrote in message
...
snip

Any idea where to buy scrap railway track, if it takes hundreds of

Ask in uk.railway, stating your location, you might even find a
friendly PW engineer on the group...

tonnes of train, it should take a tractor ?


The contact point / supports take less than 20 tonnes, in other words
the axle weight, rail will snap with a well aimed and positioned blow
from a sledge hammer....

It should still be more than strong enough though.

In article , Rick wrote:
A 152x127mm RSJ will take 210 kN on a 1.5 m span, this seems a huge
ammount, like it will take almost the whole weight of the tractor &
trailer, any ideas how low I can go whith this figure ?, a 89x89mm
will take 61kN, which sounds more reasonable.

Note that availability of RSJ sections is iffy from what I've been
told. UB and UC sections are the norm

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"Rick" wrote in message
...
Anybody know where to get a reasonably priced cattle grid. The best
price I have locally is 750 quid + VAT, which sounds like the bees
knees model, and is more than I wanted to pay.

Ask on uk.business.agriculture - and say roughly where you are.

Mary

Rick wrote:
I have all the info I need on wether I am allowed to put one where I
want, and the only thing stopping me is that I am not aloowed to make
access down the track more difficult for disabled than able bodied
people, which means a "side gate" is required. This rule pretty much
throws out all but the most expensive gates, and I expect landowners
will ignore it.

You could put a ramp at the side of the cattle grid. Hinge it along the
edge transverse to the road and spring or counterweight it so it's
default position is lifted vertical. Wheelchair attendant simply folds
the ramp down to horizontal, wheels front end of w/chair onto ramp,
weight keeps ramp horizontal until wheelchair rolls off the other end,
when the ramp self-returns to vertical.

Owain

On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 16:51:37 +0100, Rob Morley
wrote:

In article , "Rick"
says...
Anybody know where to get a reasonably priced cattle grid. The best
price I have locally is 750 quid + VAT, which sounds like the bees
knees model, and is more than I wanted to pay.

The steel cost is about 200-300 quid, but I have never welded before.
I could build a castle shaped wall at the ends, and 2 in the middle,
and just sit the steel onto it, as long as I can get the steel out
once a year for cleaning the pit .......

Could you use scrap railway track? Just an idea.

Or maybe Scaffolding poles .??
Stuart






Shift THELEVER to reply.

Rick wrote:

On 1 Apr 2005 07:53:33 -0800, "Phil"
wrote:


I reckon that a cattle-grid might be the only time you can make it more
difficult for able bodied people than disabled (think about it!) -
especially if using girder section rather than round hollow section.
The commercial grids I have seen range from 2" x 1/4" wall embedded on
concrete supports to 6" x 2" rsj bolted down to sleepers, or welded.
Lots of them around the Forest 'ere.


Phil.


It depends what the disability is, a wheelchair may go over easier
then feet, but a blind person may be in big troubble ......

At last, a Plonkett trap!

Look up in Yellow pages for someone who does metal fabrications,
especially for the agricultural community or ask in your nearest
farmsuppliers for advise.

I had one made up a few years ago, for a reasonable price to fit the
space I had.

Decide what may be driven over it to get a load rating and remember
all the fencing etc that needs to go around the edges.

Robert
royall at which net

In article , "Owain" owain47125
@stirlingcity.coo.uk says...
Rick wrote:
I have all the info I need on wether I am allowed to put one where I
want, and the only thing stopping me is that I am not aloowed to make
access down the track more difficult for disabled than able bodied
people, which means a "side gate" is required. This rule pretty much
throws out all but the most expensive gates, and I expect landowners
will ignore it.

You could put a ramp at the side of the cattle grid. Hinge it along the
edge transverse to the road and spring or counterweight it so it's
default position is lifted vertical. Wheelchair attendant simply folds
the ramp down to horizontal, wheels front end of w/chair onto ramp,
weight keeps ramp horizontal until wheelchair rolls off the other end,
when the ramp self-returns to vertical.

I was going to suggest something like that but I thought it was a bit
far-fetched.

"Owain" wrote in message
...
Rick wrote:
I have all the info I need on wether I am allowed to put one where
I
want, and the only thing stopping me is that I am not aloowed to
make
access down the track more difficult for disabled than able bodied
people, which means a "side gate" is required. This rule pretty
much
throws out all but the most expensive gates, and I expect
landowners
will ignore it.

You could put a ramp at the side of the cattle grid. Hinge it along
the
edge transverse to the road and spring or counterweight it so it's
default position is lifted vertical. Wheelchair attendant simply
folds
the ramp down to horizontal, wheels front end of w/chair onto ramp,
weight keeps ramp horizontal until wheelchair rolls off the other
end,
when the ramp self-returns to vertical.


Are you dumb or just stupid ?!..

What if there is no 'wheel chair attendant', how will any wheel chair
attendant both hold the 'flap' down and push the said wheel chair onto
it, are you aware that some wheel chairs have anti tip steadies
sticking out the back which are likely to get side swiped by any
returning flap ?

:::Jerry:::: wrote:

"Owain" wrote in message
...

Rick wrote:

I have all the info I need on wether I am allowed to put one where

I

want, and the only thing stopping me is that I am not aloowed to

make

access down the track more difficult for disabled than able bodied
people, which means a "side gate" is required. This rule pretty

much

throws out all but the most expensive gates, and I expect

landowners

will ignore it.

You could put a ramp at the side of the cattle grid. Hinge it along

the

edge transverse to the road and spring or counterweight it so it's
default position is lifted vertical. Wheelchair attendant simply

folds

the ramp down to horizontal, wheels front end of w/chair onto ramp,
weight keeps ramp horizontal until wheelchair rolls off the other

end,

when the ramp self-returns to vertical.



Are you dumb or just stupid ?!..

What if there is no 'wheel chair attendant', how will any wheel chair
attendant both hold the 'flap' down and push the said wheel chair onto
it, are you aware that some wheel chairs have anti tip steadies
sticking out the back which are likely to get side swiped by any
returning flap ?


Shame. I was hoping that any unattended wheelchair user venturing onto
farmland with cattle woud get his skull bashed in by a specially
desiugned spring loaded ramp before the cattle ran him over.

That way the blood could go into the grid, and not spoil the grass.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
snip

Shame. I was hoping that any unattended wheelchair user venturing
onto
farmland with cattle woud get his skull bashed in by a specially
desiugned spring loaded ramp before the cattle ran him over.


Assuming that is were the grid is being used, OTOH it could be
intended to stop herded live stock from straying on to private non
farmland.

On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 20:11:09 +0100, age wrote:

Look up in Yellow pages for someone who does metal fabrications,
especially for the agricultural community or ask in your nearest
farmsuppliers for advise.

I had one made up a few years ago, for a reasonable price to fit the
space I had.

Decide what may be driven over it to get a load rating and remember
all the fencing etc that needs to go around the edges.

Robert
royall at which net

Thats where I got my very expenive price from .............