On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:42:02 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:39:46 GMT, Wayne wrote:

It's the most disgusting habit I can think of,
next to people picking their nose and eating it with coolant and oil
stained fingers.


Google on "felching"

As far as I'm concerned, Gunner, Lott & Ann Coulter may
do as they please (as long as they harm nobody else).

Though they seem a bit odd to me. Clearly, they have
"special interests" (tastes?).

Gunner

"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group, they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core, and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr

My, my .... how wingers do run on when they start to gibber & drool
GG.
--
Cliff

On 15 Mar 2005 06:03:51 -0800, "Halcitron" wrote:

then chew gum.

http://www.bettybowers.com/drudge.html

"Bush infuriated the Russian media by spitting a wad of chewing gum
into his hand before signing 2002's historic Treaty of Moscow with
Vladimir Putin. "
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/111503J.shtml

Naturally, when shaking hands with Muslims,
the "bathroom hand" is used ...
--
Cliff

Frankly, I've never met any good machinist that does not smoke. Like
with detective or analytical work, smoking goes with the trade.

But what the Hell, live and let live.

Harry C.

wrote in message
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Frankly, I've never met any good machinist that does not smoke. Like
with detective or analytical work, smoking goes with the trade.

But what the Hell, live and let live.

I will admit if I
have to figure out a tough set up or am trying to create some trick
toolpaths that a cig always helps my concentration. I learned to crank
handles with a cig in my hand. I figure if you can stand the smell of the
shop, a little cigarette smoke aint going to bother you. Next thing you
know, someone will say the air isn't safe to breathe and everybody will have
to wear those little masks like Michael Jackson.

"Kathy" wrote in message
...


Frankly, I've never met any good machinist that does not smoke. Like
with detective or analytical work, smoking goes with the trade.

I know of several good machinists that don't smoke, by brother being one of
them. And the guy that initially trained him being another.



I figure if you can stand the smell of the
shop, a little cigarette smoke aint going to bother you.



Kathy this is not true. I once worked in a small shop with two co-workers
who smoked. I hated it, I got very bad headaches periodiclly because of it.
Glad I'm not there anymore. The smell from burning tobacco is totally
different from other smells in the shop.

Lane

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:41:20 -0800, "Lane" lane (no spam) at
copperaccents dot com wrote:

I figure if you can stand the smell of the
shop, a little cigarette smoke aint going to bother you.



Kathy this is not true. I once worked in a small shop with two co-workers
who smoked. I hated it,

Did you like either of them?

I got very bad headaches periodiclly because of it.

Probably psychological. Less likely an allergy.

Glad I'm not there anymore.

The first seems more probable.

The smell from burning tobacco is totally
different from other smells in the shop.

Any of which might have caused the "problem",
right?
--
Cliff

have to figure out a tough set up or am trying to create some trick
toolpaths that a cig always helps my concentration.

I find coffee has the same effect on me. When I worked as a programmer
for University Hospitals, if I was having trouble debugging or
designing a complex hunk of code I'd take a coffee break. Since we
didn't have a pot in the office I'd hike on down to the hospital
cafeteria. When I'd get back and sit down with the coffee, suddenly
the whole mess would make sense. I was never sure though if it was the
effect of the caffeine on my brain, the brisk walk to the cafeteria and
back, starting over fresh, or some combination of all three.

Jim Koch, Cleveland

On 15 Mar 2005 20:01:21 -0800, "Jim" wrote:

have to figure out a tough set up or am trying to create some trick
toolpaths that a cig always helps my concentration.

I find coffee has the same effect on me. When I worked as a programmer
for University Hospitals, if I was having trouble debugging or
designing a complex hunk of code I'd take a coffee break. Since we
didn't have a pot in the office I'd hike on down to the hospital
cafeteria. When I'd get back and sit down with the coffee, suddenly
the whole mess would make sense. I was never sure though if it was the
effect of the caffeine on my brain, the brisk walk to the cafeteria and
back, starting over fresh, or some combination of all three.

Jim Koch, Cleveland

IIRC The Harvard Business School long ago did some studies.
Breaks end up making people far more productive, usually,
so your smokers may be your most productive employees
(but, as they don't do the same jobs as the others it seems this
may not be noticed).

So do constant small changes by management (not that the
specific changes themselves usually have much to do with it ...
just that things *change*, thus keeping it more interesting I
suppose.)

Also of note: People working together with freedom are
usually more productive than those with strong management
watching over them at each step or mandating trivial things.
--
Cliff

"Jim" skrev i en meddelelse
ups.com...
I find coffee has the same effect on me. When I worked as a programmer
for University Hospitals, if I was having trouble debugging or
designing a complex hunk of code I'd take a coffee break. Since we
didn't have a pot in the office I'd hike on down to the hospital
cafeteria. When I'd get back and sit down with the coffee, suddenly
the whole mess would make sense. I was never sure though if it was the
effect of the caffeine on my brain, the brisk walk to the cafeteria and
back, starting over fresh, or some combination of all three.

Going to the bathroom with a pack of cigarettes, a newspaper and a cup of
coffee helped me through 3 years of extremely boring history lectures in
highschool..... I failed history with an all time low score tho :-)

/peter

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:27:15 -0500, "Kathy"
wrote:


wrote in message
roups.com...
Frankly, I've never met any good machinist that does not smoke. Like
with detective or analytical work, smoking goes with the trade.

But what the Hell, live and let live.

I will admit if I
have to figure out a tough set up or am trying to create some trick
toolpaths that a cig always helps my concentration. I learned to crank
handles with a cig in my hand. I figure if you can stand the smell of the
shop, a little cigarette smoke aint going to bother you. Next thing you
know, someone will say the air isn't safe to breathe and everybody will have
to wear those little masks like Michael Jackson.

This thread will probably bring out all the ex smokers. I used to be a
smoker and smoked a lot on the job. It did seem to help with
concentration. But, since I quit I'm really sensitive to cig smoke.
Fortunately I own my shop and can have a no smoking policy. But if I
worked somewhere smoking was allowed in the shop I wouldn't bitch. I'd
either grin and bear it or quit.
ERS

On 15 Mar 2005 17:13:15 -0800, "Halcitron" wrote:

outsourcing

Looks like McDonalds's may be outsourcing
some employees ..... your order at the window
may first go to India (or AOL "support") .....
--
Cliff

Cliff wrote:
On 15 Mar 2005 17:13:15 -0800, "Halcitron" wrote:


outsourcing


Looks like McDonalds's may be outsourcing
some employees ..... your order at the window
may first go to India (or AOL "support") .....

At least they'd speak better english than the spanish speakers who are
there now. All those years of British rule count for something.

Cliff wrote:
On 15 Mar 2005 17:13:15 -0800, "Halcitron" wrote:

outsourcing

Looks like McDonalds's may be outsourcing
some employees ..... your order at the window
may first go to India (or AOL "support") .....
--
Cliff

How do you know it isn't already?

I see a possiblity for a translator to assist the order taker.


:/

Halcitron wrote:
Cliff wrote:

On 15 Mar 2005 17:13:15 -0800, "Halcitron" wrote:


outsourcing

Looks like McDonalds's may be outsourcing
some employees ..... your order at the window
may first go to India (or AOL "support") .....
--
Cliff


How do you know it isn't already?
I see a possiblity for a translator to assist the order taker.

If it was now the order takers would speak english or hindi rather than
spanish.

Halcitron wrote:

Cliff wrote:


On 15 Mar 2005 17:13:15 -0800, "Halcitron" wrote:



outsourcing


Looks like McDonalds's may be outsourcing
some employees ..... your order at the window
may first go to India (or AOL "support") .....
--
Cliff



How do you know it isn't already?

I see a possiblity for a translator to assist the order taker.


:/



It is already....Hermiston OR drive through (and others) are being
answered in Fargo. Oregon has a state minimum wage of about $7.30 an
hour whereas North Dakota has the same as the federal minimum wage...$
5.15? Anyway, the exact numbers aren't important. It won't be long
until they begin to chase overseas labor at $ .25 an hour with no social
secirity, tax reporting, medicare or other overhead employee costs.

So..it seems that chasing $ 2.00 an hour difference in ND is worth the
set-up to McDonalds. Their claim is that it "improves customer
service". When you think about the fact that the order taker in in the
drive through spends 80% of their time doing other things anyway, the
money saved is really more like $ .50 an hour. I don't think this
savings justifys the move to ND, but it certainly is justified if the ND
project is a "test" to see if overseas is feasable.

Koz

Whatever happened to the test McDonalds in Colorado(Denver I think)
that had no active employees? There was a "manager" that loaded all of
the machines in the morning. The customer selected what they wanted
from a touch panel and after swiping a credit card, out it popped at
the other end. This was probably 5 years ago. Obviously didn't take
off in a huge way, but it seemed like an interesting experiment.

I imagine most of it was a "social" problem and not a techinical one
that it has not taken off.

JW

"jw" wrote:

Whatever happened to the test McDonalds in Colorado(Denver I think)
that had no active employees? There was a "manager" that loaded all of
the machines in the morning. The customer selected what they wanted
from a touch panel and after swiping a credit card, out it popped at
the other end. This was probably 5 years ago. Obviously didn't take
off in a huge way, but it seemed like an interesting experiment.

I imagine most of it was a "social" problem and not a techinical one
that it has not taken off.

Seems like all the Home Depot's and all the grocery stores around here
have installed do-it-yourself checkout machines.

They first started appearing about a year ago. At first, they just
stood there, not many people used them. Now they are getting a fair
amount of traffic, though it is still not as much as the human being
manned checkout lanes.

Look for a glut of unemployed cashiers in the next couple of years.

jw wrote:

Whatever happened to the test McDonalds in Colorado(Denver I think)
that had no active employees? There was a "manager" that loaded all of
the machines in the morning. The customer selected what they wanted
from a touch panel and after swiping a credit card, out it popped at
the other end. This was probably 5 years ago. Obviously didn't take
off in a huge way, but it seemed like an interesting experiment.

I imagine most of it was a "social" problem and not a techinical one
that it has not taken off.

JW

I dont know why it didnt work.. another couple of hours of sitting can't
make it any worse in my opinion.

John

For many McDonald's food hold some appeal.

For me, it simply 'sucks' and so I avoid it...I really don't care what
they do or what happens to them, or for that matter their employees and
customers.

By contrast, I find the food at Taco Bell very tasty, and for a hearty,
sit-down meal, Olive Garden is hard to beat. For pizza, Papa Johns is
also hard to beat, but they don't service New England which is where I
live.

Realize that the vast majority of the jobs being exported are at the
very low end of the employmnet spectrum, but on the other hand these
are the jobs and workers that tend to fuel the major portion of our
economy. Eventually this entire trade thing is going to sort itself
out, but while it does we may expect to see another depression.

New home sales are the indicator. Watch what is selling an what is
not.

Harry C.