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If we could shrink the earth's population to a village of precisely 100 people, with all the existing human ratios remaining the same, it would look something like the following: There would be: · 57 Asians · 21 Europeans · 14 from the Western Hemisphere, both north and south · 8 Africans · 52 would be female · 48 would be male · 70 would be non-white · 30 would be white · 70 would be non-Christian · 30 would be Christian · 89 would be heterosexual · 11 would be homosexual · 6 people would possess 59% of the entire world's wealth and all 6 would be from the United States · 80 would live in substandard housing · 70 would be unable to read · 50 would suffer from malnutrition · 1 would be near death · 1 would be near birth · 1 (yes, only 1) would have a college education · 1 would own a computer When one considers our world from such a compressed perspective, the need for acceptance, understanding and education becomes glaringly apparent. ] Neocons would be fractional persons at best ..... What part of "We The People" was hard to understand? -- Cliff |
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so then by your stats then, my being a white christian male I am a minority
ha "Cliff" wrote in message ... [ If we could shrink the earth's population to a village of precisely 100 people, with all the existing human ratios remaining the same, it would look something like the following: There would be: · 57 Asians · 21 Europeans · 14 from the Western Hemisphere, both north and south · 8 Africans · 52 would be female · 48 would be male · 70 would be non-white · 30 would be white · 70 would be non-Christian · 30 would be Christian · 89 would be heterosexual · 11 would be homosexual · 6 people would possess 59% of the entire world's wealth and all 6 would be from the United States · 80 would live in substandard housing · 70 would be unable to read · 50 would suffer from malnutrition · 1 would be near death · 1 would be near birth · 1 (yes, only 1) would have a college education · 1 would own a computer When one considers our world from such a compressed perspective, the need for acceptance, understanding and education becomes glaringly apparent. ] Neocons would be fractional persons at best ..... What part of "We The People" was hard to understand? -- Cliff |
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Cliff wrote in
: [ If we could shrink the earth's population to a village of precisely 100 people, with all the existing human ratios remaining the same, it would look something like the following: There would be: · 57 Asians Nope · 21 Europeans Nope · 14 from the Western Hemisphere, both north and south Nope · 8 Africans Nope · 52 would be female · 48 would be male · 70 would be non-white Nope · 30 would be white Nope · 70 would be non-Christian Nope · 30 would be Christian Nope · 89 would be heterosexual Nope · 11 would be homosexual Nope · 6 people would possess 59% of the entire world's wealth and all 6 would be from the United States Nope · 80 would live in substandard housing Nope · 70 would be unable to read Nope · 50 would suffer from malnutrition Nope · 1 would be near death · 1 would be near birth Not likely, but possible · 1 (yes, only 1) would have a college education Nope · 1 would own a computer Nope When one considers our world from such a compressed perspective, the need for acceptance, understanding and education becomes glaringly apparent. Hard to say, your "facts" are all wrong. ] Neocons would be fractional persons at best ..... What part of "We The People" was hard to understand? Do you ever check any facts? Just seize the blog? Dan |
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"Dan Murphy" wrote in message .. . Cliff wrote in : [ If we could shrink the earth's population to a village of precisely 100 people, with all the existing human ratios remaining the same, it would look something like the following: There would be: · 57 Asians Nope · 21 Europeans Nope · 14 from the Western Hemisphere, both north and south Nope · 8 Africans Nope · 52 would be female · 48 would be male · 70 would be non-white Nope · 30 would be white Nope · 70 would be non-Christian Nope · 30 would be Christian Nope · 89 would be heterosexual Nope · 11 would be homosexual Nope · 6 people would possess 59% of the entire world's wealth and all 6 would be from the United States Nope · 80 would live in substandard housing Nope · 70 would be unable to read Nope · 50 would suffer from malnutrition Nope · 1 would be near death · 1 would be near birth Not likely, but possible · 1 (yes, only 1) would have a college education Nope · 1 would own a computer Nope When one considers our world from such a compressed perspective, the need for acceptance, understanding and education becomes glaringly apparent. Hard to say, your "facts" are all wrong. ] Neocons would be fractional persons at best ..... What part of "We The People" was hard to understand? Do you ever check any facts? Just seize the blog? Dan Nope.... just likes to lie. Frequently gets caught in his many lies. It's all part of the metal illness he suffers from. This is following is a post from Michael Gailey to alt.machi*nes.cnc. and is buried in a thread called "CADDS 5 Help". It seemed *to me that it would be helpful for others to see so that they can gain *an understanding about what the real problem is and perhaps con*vince the person to get some badly needed help. From: Michael User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; *rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.machines.cnc Subject: CADDS 5 Help References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 201 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: X-Trace: 52616e646f6d4956d422779dc538c04b923339e90dd54fdb78 91ed4fe69d*27d4d7d92bcd5a5 dc6e91e65a8ec1e55b903cd887079349ee33d969a6db9*ac60 072f8a8cc52a0665e8f99d826d 41b927885824dcb14776162478645f*0adc4e1662e4 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward ALL headers so that *we may process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:20:10 GMT Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:20:10 GMT "Cliff wrote: On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 00:35:32 GMT, Michael wrote: You don't need to whine & snivel. Just learn. More groveling would be nice too G. HTH Yet another dodge of my question. Have you ever heard of Narcissistic Personality Disorder? See explanation above for clues. Michael Michael, A) You usually post a load of BS about some term you have *heard of*, just like jb did/does. You make most of it up without actually knowing much. Usually things are NOT as you imagined. This makes your posts full of bad information. Some may actually not know any better of later find your junk in the archives when searching for valid information. Oh, you need the links to verify what I posted, no problem. I suppose another of Cliff's Urban Legends has been exposed. Go see if this describes you Cliff. There may still be time for you to get help. http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis1/p21-pe07.html http://www.halcyon.com/jmashmun/npd/ http://www.healthyplace.com/communit...orders/narciss... http://www.healthyplace.com/communit...orders/narciss... http://www.healthyplace.com/Communit...orders/Site/Tr... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...nality+Disorde... B) You very clearly don't care about truth or you just might check some of your BS first. ALL you care about is posting your guesses and then objecting when someone else corrects your nearly endless misinformation. Here is a snippet derived from the American Psychiatric Asso*ciation: Malignant Self Love - Narcissism Revisited Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) Definition, Fact Sheet and Tips What is Narcissism? A pattern of traits and behaviors which signify infatuation *and obsession with one's self to the exclusion of all others and* the egotistic and ruthless pursuit of one's gratification, domin*ance and ambition. Most narcissists (75%) are men. NPD is one of a "family" of personality disorders (formerly *known as "Cluster B"). Other members: Borderline PD, Antisocial PD and Histrionic P*D. NPD is often diagnosed with other mental health disorders ("co-morbidity") - or with substance abuse, or impulsive and* reckless behaviors ("dual diagnosis"). NPD is new (1980) mental health category in the Diagnostic a*nd Statistics Manual (DSM). There is only scant research regarding narcissism. But what *there is has not demonstrated any ethnic, social, cultural, economic, gen*etic, or professional predilection to NPD. It is estimated that 0.7-1% of the general population suffer* from NPD. Pathological narcissism was first described in detail by Fre*ud. Other major contributors a Klein, Horney, Kohut, Kernberg, Mill*on, Roningstam, Gunderson, Hare. The onset of narcissism is in infancy, childhood and early a*dolescence. It is commonly attributed to childhood abuse and trauma infl*icted by parents, authority figures, or even peers. There is a whole range of narcissistic reactions - from the *mild, reactive and transient to the permanent personality disorder*. Narcissists are either "Cerebral" (derive their narcissistic* supply from their intelligence or academic achievements) - or "Somatic" *(derive their narcissistic supply from their physique, exercise, phy*sical or sexual prowess and "conquests"). Narcissists are either "Classic" - see definition below - or* they are "Compensatory", or "Inverted" - see definitions he "The I*nverted Narcissist". NPD is treated in talk therapy (psychodynamic or cognitive-b*ehavioral). The prognosis for an adult narcissist is poor, though his ad*aptation to life and to others can improve with treatment. Medication is* applied to side-effects and behaviors (such as mood or affect disorders* and obsession-compulsion) - usually with some success. Please read CAREFULLY! The text in italics is NOT based on the Diagnostics and Stat*istics Manual, Fourth Edition-Text Revision (2000). The text in italics IS based on "Malignant Self Love - Narci*ssism Revisited", fourth, revised, printing (2003) An all-pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behav*iour), need for admiration or adulation and lack of empathy, usually beg*inning by early adulthood and present in various contexts. Five (or mo*re) of the following criteria must be met: Feels grandiose and self-important (e.g., exaggerates achiev*ements and talents to the point of lying, demands to be recognized as s*uperior without commensurate achievements) Is obsessed with fantasies of unlimited success, fame, fears*ome power or omnipotence, unequalled brilliance (the cerebral narcissist)*, bodily beauty or sexual performance (the somatic narcissist), or id*eal, everlasting, all-conquering love or passion Firmly convinced that he or she is unique and, being special*, can only be understood by, should only be treated by, or associate wi*th, other special or unique, or high-status people (or institutions) Requires excessive admiration, adulation, attention and affi*rmation - or, failing that, wishes to be feared and to be notorious (n*arcissistic supply) Feels entitled. Expects unreasonable or special and favorabl*e priority treatment. Demands automatic and full compliance with his or* her expectations Is "interpersonally exploitative", i.e., uses others to achi*eve his or her own ends Devoid of empathy. Is unable or unwilling to identify with o*r acknowledge the feelings and needs of others Constantly envious of others or believes that they feel the *same about him or her Arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes coupled with rage *when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted C) Even after all that you usually persist with your misinformation way past any point of sanity. If you think I posted misinformation, please read the last s*nippett again. D) You are a gun-toting winger, living in fear & denial of much truth. I have a legal permit to protect myself. E) You at times seem to do the Sunday Fundie thing. That is your paranoia talking again. F) You seem incapable of learning much. Back to the NPD snippet. G) You are loads of fun G. I don't think you are capable of having fun, mental illness *does that to people. Get some help Cliff. Michael HTH -- Michael Gailey Artistic CNC Mill, Router and Engraver Programming 3D modeling for Product Design and Development http://www.microsystemsgeorgia.com/toc.htm " My thanks to Michael for the post and hope others benefit fr*om it as I have. jon |
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In article , Cliff says...
· 1 would own a computer And that one would be cliff crossposting more crap where nobody wants to see it. Still. I'm beginning to see that gunner's approach of shunning is the right way to go. Worked for the cassmeister..... Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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Dan Murphy wrote:
Cliff wrote in : [ If we could shrink the earth's population to a village of precisely 100 people, with all the existing human ratios remaining the same, it would look something like the following: There would be: · 57 Asians Nope · 21 Europeans Nope · 14 from the Western Hemisphere, both north and south Nope · 8 Africans Nope · 52 would be female · 48 would be male · 70 would be non-white Nope · 30 would be white Nope · 70 would be non-Christian Nope · 30 would be Christian Nope · 89 would be heterosexual Nope · 11 would be homosexual Nope · 6 people would possess 59% of the entire world's wealth and all 6 would be from the United States Nope · 80 would live in substandard housing Nope · 70 would be unable to read Nope · 50 would suffer from malnutrition Nope · 1 would be near death · 1 would be near birth Not likely, but possible · 1 (yes, only 1) would have a college education Nope · 1 would own a computer Nope When one considers our world from such a compressed perspective, the need for acceptance, understanding and education becomes glaringly apparent. Hard to say, your "facts" are all wrong. ] Neocons would be fractional persons at best ..... What part of "We The People" was hard to understand? Do you ever check any facts? Just seize the blog? Dan Now you got me curious , you got the correct facts that proves him wrong ? wanna share ? |
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Myal wrote in :
snip Now you got me curious , you got the correct facts that proves him wrong ? wanna share ? This is one of those e-mail, blogger fodder, urban legends. So, where better to go than Snopes.com? http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/populate.htm And even if the facts were correct, so what? Only a simpleton could find a political ideology in a bunch of disparate factoids. Dan |
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"Cliff" wrote in message
... | [ | If we could shrink the earth's population to a village of precisely | 100 people, with all the existing human ratios remaining the same, it | would look something like the following: Here we go again... | | There would be: | · 57 Asians | · 21 Europeans | · 14 from the Western Hemisphere, both north and south | · 8 Africans | · 52 would be female The figure would even be more if the Chinese hadn't killed all the girls to accomodate the government's one child policy. Turns out that the best thing to slow population growth is a healthy economy where more folks have good jobs. | · 48 would be male Why bother with that figure since we know what the figure for women is already given? | · 70 would be non-white | · 30 would be white Can you define "white" please? | · 70 would be non-Christian | · 30 would be Christian | · 89 would be heterosexual | · 11 would be homosexual This factoid I _have_ to see proof of, because I don't buy it for a second. | · 6 people would possess 59% of the entire world's wealth and all 6 | would be from the United States Okay, if the rest of the world's governments weren't so busy trying to control the actions of their citizens I bet that they, too, would possess gobs of wealth, given the freeedom to do so. | · 80 would live in substandard housing When I was in the Phillipines, I spent some time with a gal who had an apartment and even running water. She even had all her teeth! This gal had it made. Substandard housing must be relative to what the US, I guess. | · 70 would be unable to read | · 50 would suffer from malnutrition Just look at the governments of these countries and you start to get the picture. | · 1 would be near death | · 1 would be near birth | · 1 (yes, only 1) would have a college education | · 1 would own a computer | | When one considers our world from such a compressed perspective, the | need for acceptance, understanding and education becomes glaringly | apparent. | ] And a less oppressive government. Don't you even dare say that the US has an oppressive government, because it would become painfully obvious that you have never spent any time in other countries other than as a tourist. The US has the life that every aspiring non-American wants. The Arabs all over the world while pontificating about the hate they have for the US still use computers and the internet developed in the US, wear clothing styles from the US, and listen to music piped in from the US on US satellites. | | Neocons would be fractional persons at best ..... | What part of "We The People" was hard to understand? | -- | Cliff |
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Here's an interesting seque:
Why I'm an anti-anti-American http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...9/IN290713.DTL Note two things: One, the rag that this link is to is a San Francisco paper, of all sources! Two, the writer is not an American. I really like the bit about even the poor folks in America being fat, born out by an ill-fated attempt by the usual American news network tried to embarrass a president, and lovingly perpetuated by the "well-intentioned" Russians, to exactly the opposite effect. It's not a short opinion piece, so it might give us a few minutes of peace from Cliff before he decides that it doesn't agree with his preconceived notions and goes back to trying to make the rest of us as unhappy as he is. |
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sittingduck wrote in
news:Xns95EE9D4F01DFAduckrulestheuniverse@individu al.net: Myal wrote: Now you got me curious , you got the correct facts that proves him wrong ? wanna share ? No, they just want to prove their ignorance. Which shows quite nicely. Some people refuse to believe or even entertain any ideas that are contrary to their narrow views, and will attack anything that threatens that. Yeah, you're right. I should just blindly believe an old mass e-mailed urban legend cross posted all over the usenet by the world's biggest troll. Tell me more about my narrow views. At least I bothered to look up some of the factoids. Dan |
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Cliff wrote: [ If we could shrink the earth's population to a village of precisely 100 people, with all the existing human ratios remaining the same, it would look something like the following: There would be: · 57 Asians · 21 Europeans · 14 from the Western Hemisphere, both north and south · 8 Africans · 52 would be female · 48 would be male · 70 would be non-white · 30 would be white · 70 would be non-Christian · 30 would be Christian · 89 would be heterosexual · 11 would be homosexual · 6 people would possess 59% of the entire world's wealth and all 6 would be from the United States · 80 would live in substandard housing · 70 would be unable to read · 50 would suffer from malnutrition · 1 would be near death · 1 would be near birth · 1 (yes, only 1) would have a college education · 1 would own a computer When one considers our world from such a compressed perspective, the need for acceptance, understanding and education becomes glaringly apparent. ] Neocons would be fractional persons at best ..... What part of "We The People" was hard to understand? So at least five of those six rich people don't have college educations? Interesting. -- B.B. --I am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net http://web2.airmail.net/thegoat4/ |
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Myal wrote:
Now you got me curious , you got the correct facts that proves him wrong ? wanna share ? Myal: From "Snopes". http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/populate.htm ================================================== === Claim: If we could shrink the earth's population to a village of precisely 100 people, that village would resemble one described in this piece. Status: Not quite. Example: If we could shrink the earth's population to a village of precisely 100 people, with all the existing human ratios remaining the same, it would look something like the following. There would be: * 57 Asians * 21 Europeans * 14 from the Western Hemisphere, both north and south * 8 Africans * 52 would be female * 48 would be male * 70 would be non-white * 30 would be white * 70 would be non-Christian * 30 would be Christian * 89 would be heterosexual * 11 would be homosexual * 6 people would possess 59% of the entire world's wealth and all 6 would be from the United States. * 80 would live in substandard housing * 70 would be unable to read * 50 would suffer from malnutrition * 1 would be near death; 1 would be near birth * 1 (yes, only 1) would have a college education * 1 would own a computer Origins: This thing has been circulating for ages (in Internet time) now, and people seem to find the contrasts it highlights between the "haves" and "have-nots" of the world compelling. However, much of the information it presents is questionable, out of date, or poorly-defined: 57 Asians 21 Europeans 14 from the Western Hemisphere, both north and south 8 Africans According to the United Nations World Population Prospects document, the world population in the year 2000 was about 6.1 billion, with this geographic distribution: * Africa: 794,000,000 * Asia: 3,672,000,000 * Latin America and Caribbean: 519,000,000 * Europe: 727,000,000 * North America: 314,000,000 * Oceania: 51,000,000 If we calculate the corresponding percentages (and lump North America, Latin America, the Caribbean, and Oceania into the "western hemisphere" category), we get the following ratios for our population of 100: * Asians: 60 * Europeans: 12 * Western Hemisphereans: 15 (9 Latin Americans/Caribbeans, 5 North Americans, 1 Oceanian) * Africans: 13 52 would be female 48 would be male According to that same United Nations document, the world population in the year 2000 consisted of 3,051,099,000 men and 3,005,616,000 women, which (with a little rounding) breaks down to 50 men and 50 women in a population of 100. 70 would be non-white 30 would be white Here we run into definitional problems trying to lump entire continents' worth of people into one class based on some nebulous concept of color. What makes a person "white" or "black"? If we say that Africans are considered "black," does that categorization apply equally to Nigerians, Egyptians, and South Africans? (Is the Middle East part of Africa or Asia?) Should the classification of Asians as "white" or "non-white" be based solely upon skin tone, or upon geographical and cultural factors as well? The numbers given here seem to be based upon the classification of Europeans and Western Hemisphereans as "white" and Africans and Asians as "non-white" (and the assumption that those continents are homogeneous in racial composition). With those qualfications, a population of 100 (based on year 2000 numbers) would include 27 whites and 73 non-whites. 70 would be non-Christian 30 would be Christian According to the chart at Adherents.com, which provides estimates of "the number of people who have at least a minimal level of self-identification as adherents" of a particular religion, the world's population in early 2001 was 33% Christian. So, our reduced population of 100 would be composed of 33 Christians and 67 non-Christians. 89 would be heterosexual 11 would be homosexual This one is almost impossible to estimate with any reasonable degree of accuracy. The classification of people as being either "heterosexual" or "homosexual" is too dependent upon subjective criteria, and the answers of respondents to surveys about their sexual habits are too easily influenced by other social factors. The common figure of "10% of the population is homosexual" is often bandied about, but that number is derived from a misapplication of a Kinsey study which was not based upon a representative sample of the population. One can find estimates that place of the percentage of the population considered to be homosexual anywhere between 1-2% and 25%-35%, but a reasonable survey of the more controlled studies would put the figure in about the 2-3% range (for males, at least). 6 people would possess 59% of the entire world's wealth, and all 6 would be from the United States. This claim demontrates the precariousness of trying to summarize a very large, diverse population in a few simple statistics. For starters, our miniature world of 100 people only includes 5 people from all of North America, so any statement involving 6 people from the United States just doesn't compute! "Wealth" is a concept difficult to measure with any precision, but we can use Gross Domestic Product (GDP) as a reasonable approximation. If we take some figures from the CIA's World Factbook 2000, we find that the estimated GDP of the United States in 1999 was $9.255 trillion, out of a world total of $40.7 trillion. In other words, in 1999 the United States possessed about 23% of the world's wealth. If we assume that all 5 North Americans in our miniature world are from the United States, and that they have inherited an amount of wealth proportional to that held by the United States in the "real" world, together they'd still have only 23% of the world's wealth, not 59%. Even if you could find some combination of 6 people in our putative population of 100 who held 59% of the total wealth, they wouldn't all be from the United States. 80 would live in substandard housing This statement can't be assessed without knowing the definition of "substandard" being employed here. "Substandard" by whose standards? And if a full 80% of the world's population truly lives in "substandard" housing, doesn't that indicate whatever standard is being used must be too high? Estimates for this figure are all over the map as well (some United Nations housing statistics are informative but don't really answer the question), but a 1999 article in International Wildlife puts the estimate at 33%, not the 80% figure offered here. 70 would be unable to read A 1998 UNICEF study put the world illiteracy rate at 16%, well short of the 70% claimed here. 50 would suffer from malnutrition The World Health Organization puts the malnutrition figure at about 33%. 1 would be near death 1 would be near birth This statement is simply too vague to evaluate. At any given time, one person in a hundred is near death? Just how "near"? Is age a factor in this statistic? 1 (yes, only 1) would have a college education Again, we have to know whether our miniature world's inhabitants represent current population trends in age as well as other factors. According to the United Nations World Population Prospects document, the median age of the world's population was 26.5 in 2000, with that figure being lower in less developed (and more populous) areas of the world. (The median age of Africans, for example, was only 18.4 in 2000.) So, this statistic could be true simply because much of our miniature population would be too young to have finished college yet (assuming that "having a college education" means "graduated with the equivalent of a bachelor's degree"). However, if we assume everyone in our miniature world is of sufficient age and apply the current graduation rates of the USA (33%) to its share of the population (5), we'd have almost two college graduates from America alone. And other parts of the world (e.g., New Zealand, Netherlands, Britain, and Norway) have graduation rates equal to or higher than the USA's. 1 would own a computer Computer ownership rates in the USA now indicate that over 50% of American households have computers, so if we assume that "households" can be equated with "people" in our miniature world, our 5 Americans alone would have at least two computers between them. On the other hand, if this is the kind of material having a computer gives one access to, the inhabitants of our miniature world just might opt to do without them. Last updated: 27 March 2001 -- BottleBob http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob |
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"carl mciver" wrote in message ink.net... Here's an interesting seque: Why I'm an anti-anti-American http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...9/IN290713.DTL Note two things: One, the rag that this link is to is a San Francisco paper, of all sources! Two, the writer is not an American. I really like the bit about even the poor folks in America being fat, born out by an ill-fated attempt by the usual American news network tried to embarrass a president, and lovingly perpetuated by the "well-intentioned" Russians, to exactly the opposite effect. It's not a short opinion piece, so it might give us a few minutes of peace from Cliff before he decides that it doesn't agree with his preconceived notions and goes back to trying to make the rest of us as unhappy as he is. Are you saying his Narcissistic Personality Disorder might be contagious ? :) jon |
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so then by your stats then, my being a white christian male I am a minority ha As a "white christian male" you are most certainly in a minority in terms of a global population! FACT: There are more 'non-whites' than 'whites' in this world. FACT: There are more 'non-Xtians' than 'Xtians' in this world (do not forget to include those people with a brain that can think for themselves without the need of religious claptrap/propaganda!) FACT: There are more females than males in this world. So as a "white christian male" you are in a minority......FACT! The chances are you are even in a minority in a 'white christian' grouping as there are probably more "white christian females" than "white christian males"! -- Larry Green |
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You forgot 1 asshole with a computer to SPAM the other.
gary "Cliff" wrote in message ... [ If we could shrink the earth's population to a village of precisely 100 people, with all the existing human ratios remaining the same, it would look something like the following: There would be: · 57 Asians · 21 Europeans · 14 from the Western Hemisphere, both north and south · 8 Africans · 52 would be female · 48 would be male · 70 would be non-white · 30 would be white · 70 would be non-Christian · 30 would be Christian · 89 would be heterosexual · 11 would be homosexual · 6 people would possess 59% of the entire world's wealth and all 6 would be from the United States · 80 would live in substandard housing · 70 would be unable to read · 50 would suffer from malnutrition · 1 would be near death · 1 would be near birth · 1 (yes, only 1) would have a college education · 1 would own a computer When one considers our world from such a compressed perspective, the need for acceptance, understanding and education becomes glaringly apparent. ] Neocons would be fractional persons at best ..... What part of "We The People" was hard to understand? -- Cliff |
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Massive trimming The US has the life that every aspiring non-American wants. The above sentence REALY needs thinking about . Its the cause of a lot of anti US feelings , especialy when others dont believe it . |
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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... | And it still wouldn't assuage my fear of the global village as the | inevitable progenitor of all of those village idiots.... Cliff went missing some years ago. They're calling their idiots back, so he should get going! Anyone want to pitch in for a one way ticket? I got a nickel! |
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"Cliff" wrote in message
| [ | If we could shrink the earth's population to a village of precisely | 100 people, with all the existing human ratios remaining the same, it | would look something like the following: | | There would be: sigh From our favorite UL commentators: http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/populate.htm Note that the debunking dates back to 2001, which would indicate that this has been floating around considerably longer. Origins: This thing has been circulating for ages (in Internet time) now, and people seem to find the contrasts it highlights between the "haves" and "have-nots" of the world compelling. However, much of the information it presents is questionable, out of date, or poorly-defined: 57 Asians 21 Europeans 14 from the Western Hemisphere, both north and south 8 Africans According to the United Nations World Population Prospects document, the world population in the year 2000 was about 6.1 billion, with this geographic distribution: Africa: 794,000,000 Asia: 3,672,000,000 Latin America and Caribbean: 519,000,000 Europe: 727,000,000 North America: 314,000,000 Oceania: 51,000,000 If we calculate the corresponding percentages (and lump North America, Latin America, the Caribbean, and Oceania into the "western hemisphere" category), we get the following ratios for our population of 100: Asians: 60 Europeans: 12 Western Hemisphereans: 15 (9 Latin Americans/Caribbeans, 5 North Americans, 1 Oceanian) Africans: 13 52 would be female 48 would be male According to that same United Nations document, the world population in the year 2000 consisted of 3,051,099,000 men and 3,005,616,000 women, which (with a little rounding) breaks down to 50 men and 50 women in a population of 100. 70 would be non-white 30 would be white Here we run into definitional problems trying to lump entire continents' worth of people into one class based on some nebulous concept of color. What makes a person "white" or "black"? If we say that Africans are considered "black," does that categorization apply equally to Nigerians, Egyptians, and South Africans? (Is the Middle East part of Africa or Asia?) Should the classification of Asians as "white" or "non-white" be based solely upon skin tone, or upon geographical and cultural factors as well? The numbers given here seem to be based upon the classification of Europeans and Western Hemisphereans as "white" and Africans and Asians as "non-white" (and the assumption that those continents are homogeneous in racial composition). With those qualfications, a population of 100 (based on year 2000 numbers) would include 27 whites and 73 non-whites. 70 would be non-Christian 30 would be Christian According to the chart at Adherents.com, which provides estimates of "the number of people who have at least a minimal level of self-identification as adherents" of a particular religion, the world's population in early 2001 was 33% Christian. So, our reduced population of 100 would be composed of 33 Christians and 67 non-Christians. 89 would be heterosexual 11 would be homosexual This one is almost impossible to estimate with any reasonable degree of accuracy. The classification of people as being either "heterosexual" or "homosexual" is too dependent upon subjective criteria, and the answers of respondents to surveys about their sexual habits are too easily influenced by other social factors. The common figure of "10% of the population is homosexual" is often bandied about, but that number is derived from a misapplication of a Kinsey study which was not based upon a representative sample of the population. One can find estimates that place of the percentage of the population considered to be homosexual anywhere between 1-2% and 25%-35%, but a reasonable survey of the more controlled studies would put the figure in about the 2-3% range (for males, at least). 6 people would possess 59% of the entire world's wealth, and all 6 would be from the United States. This claim demontrates the precariousness of trying to summarize a very large, diverse population in a few simple statistics. For starters, our miniature world of 100 people only includes 5 people from all of North America, so any statement involving 6 people from the United States just doesn't compute! "Wealth" is a concept difficult to measure with any precision, but we can use Gross Domestic Product (GDP) as a reasonable approximation. If we take some figures from the CIA's World Factbook 2000, we find that the estimated GDP of the United States in 1999 was $9.255 trillion, out of a world total of $40.7 trillion. In other words, in 1999 the United States possessed about 23% of the world's wealth. If we assume that all 5 North Americans in our miniature world are from the United States, and that they have inherited an amount of wealth proportional to that held by the United States in the "real" world, together they'd still have only 23% of the world's wealth, not 59%. Even if you could find some combination of 6 people in our putative population of 100 who held 59% of the total wealth, they wouldn't all be from the United States. 80 would live in substandard housing This statement can't be assessed without knowing the definition of "substandard" being employed here. "Substandard" by whose standards? And if a full 80% of the world's population truly lives in "substandard" housing, doesn't that indicate whatever standard is being used must be too high? Estimates for this figure are all over the map as well (some United Nations housing statistics are informative but don't really answer the question), but a 1999 article in International Wildlife puts the estimate at 33%, not the 80% figure offered here. 70 would be unable to read A 1998 UNICEF study put the world illiteracy rate at 16%, well short of the 70% claimed here. 50 would suffer from malnutrition The World Health Organization puts the malnutrition figure at about 33%. 1 would be near death 1 would be near birth This statement is simply too vague to evaluate. At any given time, one person in a hundred is near death? Just how "near"? Is age a factor in this statistic? 1 (yes, only 1) would have a college education Again, we have to know whether our miniature world's inhabitants represent current population trends in age as well as other factors. According to the United Nations World Population Prospects document, the median age of the world's population was 26.5 in 2000, with that figure being lower in less developed (and more populous) areas of the world. (The median age of Africans, for example, was only 18.4 in 2000.) So, this statistic could be true simply because much of our miniature population would be too young to have finished college yet (assuming that "having a college education" means "graduated with the equivalent of a bachelor's degree"). However, if we assume everyone in our miniature world is of sufficient age and apply the current graduation rates of the USA (33%) to its share of the population (5), we'd have almost two college graduates from America alone. And other parts of the world (e.g., New Zealand, Netherlands, Britain, and Norway) have graduation rates equal to or higher than the USA's. 1 would own a computer Computer ownership rates in the USA now indicate that over 50% of American households have computers, so if we assume that "households" can be equated with "people" in our miniature world, our 5 Americans alone would have at least two computers between them. On the other hand, if this is the kind of material having a computer gives one access to, the inhabitants of our miniature world just might opt to do without them. Last updated: 27 March 2001 |
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"Tom Accuosti" wrote in message
om snip Oh hell - I posted all that without checking downthread first. I should have known someone else would have checked. Sorry. That knee-jerk thingie happened when I saw glurge. |
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Tom Accuosti wrote:
Oh hell - I posted all that without checking downthread first. I should have known someone else would have checked. Tom: You had me worried for a minute there. I thought you might have had me killfiled. g -- BottleBob http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob |
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:27:50 -0800, sittingduck
wrote: Myal wrote: Now you got me curious , you got the correct facts that proves him wrong ? wanna share ? No, they just want to prove their ignorance. Which shows quite nicely. Some people refuse to believe or even entertain any ideas that are contrary to their narrow views, and will attack anything that threatens that. I notice you didn't wait for the documentation before you launched your fact-free condemnation. As such it says more about you than it does about the other person's putative 'ignorance'. --RC "Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. It just yells 'can't you remember anything I've told you?' and lets fly with a club. -- John W. Cambell Jr. |
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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:21:03 -0500, Cliff wrote: If we could shrink the earth's population to a village of precisely 100 people, with all the existing human ratios remaining the same, it would look something like the following: snip When one considers our world from such a compressed perspective, the need for acceptance, understanding and education becomes glaringly apparent. Snips And it still wouldn't assuage my fear of the global village as the inevitable progenitor of all of those village idiots.... Why is it when any one says the Global Village I automatically think of the Village People singing and dancing to the song "At the YMCA" -- The Independent of Clackamas County "What experience and history teach is this -- That people and governments never have learned anything from history, or acted on principles deduced from it" George Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel 1770-1831 |
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B.B. wrote:
In article , Cliff wrote: [ If we could shrink the earth's population to a village of precisely 100 people, with all the existing human ratios remaining the same, it would look something like the following: There would be: · 57 Asians · 21 Europeans · 14 from the Western Hemisphere, both north and south · 8 Africans · 52 would be female · 48 would be male · 70 would be non-white · 30 would be white · 70 would be non-Christian · 30 would be Christian · 89 would be heterosexual · 11 would be homosexual · 6 people would possess 59% of the entire world's wealth and all 6 would be from the United States · 80 would live in substandard housing · 70 would be unable to read · 50 would suffer from malnutrition · 1 would be near death · 1 would be near birth · 1 (yes, only 1) would have a college education · 1 would own a computer 5 would own fire arms and they would all Live in the United ST ates When one considers our world from such a compressed perspective, the need for acceptance, understanding and education becomes glaringly apparent. ] Neocons would be fractional persons at best ..... What part of "We The People" was hard to understand? So at least five of those six rich people don't have college educations? Interesting. Yes and they would all be living in the United States which makes a statement about the work ethic here and the lazy shiftless people who lay around under trees doing nothing or robbing other people of their goods. And you may as why don't they come and take the wealth of the 6 Americans??? Answer will shoot their god dammed heads off!!!! -- The Independent of Clackamas County "What experience and history teach is this -- That people and governments never have learned anything from history, or acted on principles deduced from it" George Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel 1770-1831 |
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Dan Murphy wrote:
Cliff wrote in : [ If we could shrink the earth's population to a village of precisely 100 people, with all the existing human ratios remaining the same, it would look something like the following: There would be: · 57 Asians Nope · 21 Europeans Nope · 14 from the Western Hemisphere, both north and south Nope · 8 Africans Nope · 52 would be female · 48 would be male · 70 would be non-white Nope · 30 would be white Nope · 70 would be non-Christian Nope · 30 would be Christian Nope · 89 would be heterosexual Nope · 11 would be homosexual Nope · 6 people would possess 59% of the entire world's wealth and all 6 would be from the United States Nope · 80 would live in substandard housing Nope · 70 would be unable to read Nope · 50 would suffer from malnutrition Nope · 1 would be near death · 1 would be near birth Not likely, but possible · 1 (yes, only 1) would have a college education Nope · 1 would own a computer Nope When one considers our world from such a compressed perspective, the need for acceptance, understanding and education becomes glaringly apparent. Hard to say, your "facts" are all wrong. Neocons would be fractional persons at best ..... What part of "We The People" was hard to understand? Do you ever check any facts? Just seize the blog? "Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes." http://www.ibras.dk/montypython/fina...f.htm#Argument -- Jeff |
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sittingduck wrote:
Myal wrote: Now you got me curious , you got the correct facts that proves him wrong ? wanna share ? No, they just want to prove their ignorance. Which shows quite nicely. Some people refuse to believe or even entertain any ideas that are contrary to their narrow views, and will attack anything that threatens that. "Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are even incapable of forming such opinions." --Einstein |
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"Jeff Lowe" wrote in message news:%rpLd.1737$B64.12@trnddc07... "Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes." http://www.ibras.dk/montypython/fina...f.htm#Argument -- Jeff No it isn't. -- Jeff R. (am I first?) |
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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 00:13:16 -0800, The Independent of Clackamas
County wrote: B.B. wrote: In article , Cliff wrote: [ If we could shrink the earth's population to a village of precisely 100 people, with all the existing human ratios remaining the same, it would look something like the following: There would be: · 57 Asians · 21 Europeans · 14 from the Western Hemisphere, both north and south · 8 Africans · 52 would be female · 48 would be male · 70 would be non-white · 30 would be white · 70 would be non-Christian · 30 would be Christian · 89 would be heterosexual · 11 would be homosexual · 6 people would possess 59% of the entire world's wealth and all 6 would be from the United States · 80 would live in substandard housing · 70 would be unable to read · 50 would suffer from malnutrition · 1 would be near death · 1 would be near birth · 1 (yes, only 1) would have a college education · 1 would own a computer 5 would own fire arms and they would all Live in the United ST ates When one considers our world from such a compressed perspective, the need for acceptance, understanding and education becomes glaringly apparent. ] Neocons would be fractional persons at best ..... What part of "We The People" was hard to understand? So at least five of those six rich people don't have college educations? Interesting. Yes and they would all be living in the United States which makes a statement about the work ethic here and the lazy shiftless people who lay around under trees doing nothing or robbing other people of their goods. it is not very easy to make lots of money if you don't have any. it takes money to make money. america has it all and we waste it on things we don't need like diet pills to eat away the mcdonalds in our fat asses. buy cheap over priced clothes that were made in some other country by poor starving children because we want to look pretty. if i was in a third world country i would kill your ass in an instant to fill my stomach, it beats huffing paint to get rid of the hunger pains. DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE TO STARVE? DO YOU KNOW WHAT POVERTY IS LIKE? i really don't think you do. And you may as why don't they come and take the wealth of the 6 Americans??? Answer will shoot their god dammed heads off!!!! as we bang our head against the wall, munching down prozac, thinking we will go to heaven when we die, and never really living life. |
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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 06:25:24 -0700, Nocturne_Necromancy wrote:
it is not very easy to make lots of money if you don't have any. it takes money to make money. america has it all and we waste it on things we don't need like diet pills to eat away the mcdonalds in our fat asses. buy cheap over priced clothes that were made in some other country by poor starving children because we want to look pretty. if i was in a third world country i would kill your ass in an instant to fill my stomach, it beats huffing paint to get rid of the hunger pains. DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE TO STARVE? DO YOU KNOW WHAT POVERTY IS LIKE? i really don't think you do. You would be very surprised to know how many of us indeed do know what grinding poverty is really like. Fortunately..most of us who do know, appreciate the fact we live in "the land of opportunity" and have been able to do something about it through our own efforts. Gunner "Considering the events of recent years, the world has a long way to go to regain its credibility and reputation with the US." unknown |
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On 30 Jan 2005 21:44:01 GMT, Dan Murphy wrote:
Do you ever check any facts? Just seize the blog? Dan, Looks like you should check yours first G. OTOH You do have a point about the literacy one it seems. The US seems to be on the low end of that one (it would probably be about correct if only Indiana and a few similar US States was under discussion). Literacy outside the US seems higher than inside the US. Probably a lot more wingers inside the US account for it. -- Cliff |
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:12:48 -0700, "jon banquer"
wrote: Nope.... just likes to lie. Frequently gets caught in his many lies. No clues here G. Reading comprehension issues yet again? It's all part of the metal illness he suffers from. Banqueritus? -- Cliff |
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:55:31 GMT, BottleBob
wrote: Origins: This thing has been circulating for ages And hence might be a tad outdated? LOL .... -- Cliff |
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:36:07 GMT, "carl mciver"
wrote: | · 89 would be heterosexual | · 11 would be homosexual This factoid I _have_ to see proof of, because I don't buy it for a second. Good point. The figures shown elsewhere said [ the population considered to be homosexual anywhere between 1-2% and 25%-35% ] Looks like 11% is sort of in the middle .... do you think that they all joined the Log Cabin Republicans? -- Cliff |
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:36:07 GMT, "carl mciver"
wrote: Don't you even dare say that the US has an oppressive government, Subject to threats of torture? because it would become painfully obvious What kind of "pain" ? -- Cliff |
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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 00:13:16 -0800, The Independent of Clackamas
County wrote: 5 would own fire arms and they would all Live in the United ST ates How many would be literate enough to learn to spell? -- Cliff |
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:15:23 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote: On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:21:03 -0500, Cliff wrote: If we could shrink the earth's population to a village of precisely 100 people, with all the existing human ratios remaining the same, it would look something like the following: snip When one considers our world from such a compressed perspective, the need for acceptance, understanding and education becomes glaringly apparent. Snips And it still wouldn't assuage my fear of the global village as the inevitable progenitor of all of those village idiots.... I knew that some of them were here G. -- Cliff |
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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 03:16:28 GMT, "Tom Accuosti"
wrote: From our favorite UL commentators: And the "Status" was? -- Cliff |
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"jon banquer" wrote:
Nope.... just likes to lie. Frequently gets caught in his many lies. It's all part of the metal illness he suffers from. ROFLMAO!!!!! And here I thought it was only me who had noticed his faults! ral |
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Cliff wrote:
Welcome to the world of Winger's Disease, gunlogic & jb's clueless ads G. Same one trick pony bull**** still, cliff? LOL ral -- Cliff |
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