I missed the staff meeting but the minutes show jim rozen
wrote back on 14 Sep 2004 17:09:55 -0700 in
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In article , pyotr filipivich
says...

So, you are believing that these documents are real documents, despite
the lack of verification aside from CBS?

Which documents, the ones released by the white house, that
say that bush got grounded for disobeying the order to
take a physical?

Naw, I'm talking about the fakes that CBS is pimping around to try and
make events of 32 years ago more relevant than what has happened in the
last four.

Okay, if you want to live in the past.

Now why would *any* jet pilot (heck, that's got to be
the best job in the whole world) decide he'd rather be
grounded than take a simple physical?

I realize that you have this fanciful notion of fighter jocks based on
the movies, but in case you were asleep in class, Bush wanted out of the NG
at a time when a lot of Regular Air Force Pilots wanted in.



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as an explaination for the decline in the US's tech edge, James
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producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with."

In article , pyotr filipivich
says...

Okay, if you want to live in the past.

It's a very popular approach. Anytime anything goes
wrong, the plaintive cry of "it's clinton's fault"
gets trotted out.

I realize that you have this fanciful notion of fighter jocks based on
the movies, but in case you were asleep in class, Bush wanted out of the NG
at a time when a lot of Regular Air Force Pilots wanted in.

I thought he didn't want to destroy his political aspirations
by failing the test at his medical.

Jim


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I missed the staff meeting but the minutes show jim rozen
wrote back on 15 Sep 2004 07:20:16 -0700 in
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In article , pyotr filipivich
says...

Okay, if you want to live in the past.

It's a very popular approach. Anytime anything goes
wrong, the plaintive cry of "it's clinton's fault"
gets trotted out.

Who cares about Clinton, he's recovering from open heart surgery
(Gottwillen.)

No, it is Rather and other yapping laptop lackeys of the Democrat Party
Aprarachniks who are fixated on the past. President Bush has two old
pennies, a button and some pocket lint invested in what he did while on
active duty. Dan Rather has the reputation of the entire CBS organization
on the line because he would rather believe documents about something which
happened thirty years ago that reflects badly on the Republican President.
The final crack up is going to far a more spectacular stunt than anything
Wile E. Coyote ever accomplished.
Mean while, Kerry has everything invested in his four months on the
Mekong River.

So what's going to happen in the future? What does Kerry intend to do
about the events which are more likely to occur? Does he have any realistic
plans for February 05? Based on what he's said over the last five months,
well, he served in Vietnam, and he knows what it is like to be under enemy
fire; and he wants to engage other countries in the shaping course of the
future. In other words, Kerry is till living in the past, and hopes nobody
will notice. He doesn't want to make any tough decisions, but that is the
nature of the job. Kerry isn't ready for command of anything larger than a
swift boat.

I realize that you have this fanciful notion of fighter jocks based on
the movies, but in case you were asleep in class, Bush wanted out of the NG
at a time when a lot of Regular Air Force Pilots wanted in.

I thought he didn't want to destroy his political aspirations
by failing the test at his medical.

Could be.

Could just be that he had six months more of duty, in an aircraft which
was being phased out of service, and was transferring to a unit which
didn't have that aircraft, anyway. Contrary to popular opinion, an Air
Force flight physical is a little more exacting that counting up the number
of eyes, arms and legs, dividing by three and check to see if the number is
2.


tschus
pyotr


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where, and what significance it all has.

pyotr filipivich wrote:

I missed the staff meeting but the minutes show jim rozen
wrote back on 15 Sep 2004 07:20:16 -0700 in
rec.crafts.metalworking :

In article , pyotr filipivich
says...


Okay, if you want to live in the past.

It's a very popular approach. Anytime anything goes
wrong, the plaintive cry of "it's clinton's fault"
gets trotted out.


Who cares about Clinton, he's recovering from open heart surgery
(Gottwillen.)

No, it is Rather and other yapping laptop lackeys of the Democrat Party

You misspelt "lapdog"

Aprarachniks who are fixated on the past. President Bush has two old
pennies, a button and some pocket lint invested in what he did while on
active duty. Dan Rather has the reputation of the entire CBS organization
on the line because he would rather believe documents about something which
happened thirty years ago that reflects badly on the Republican President.
The final crack up is going to far a more spectacular stunt than anything
Wile E. Coyote ever accomplished.
Mean while, Kerry has everything invested in his four months on the
Mekong River.

So what's going to happen in the future? What does Kerry intend to do
about the events which are more likely to occur? Does he have any realistic
plans for February 05? Based on what he's said over the last five months,
well, he served in Vietnam, and he knows what it is like to be under enemy
fire; and he wants to engage other countries in the shaping course of the
future. In other words, Kerry is till living in the past, and hopes nobody
will notice. He doesn't want to make any tough decisions, but that is the
nature of the job. Kerry isn't ready for command of anything larger than a
swift boat.

I realize that you have this fanciful notion of fighter jocks based on
the movies, but in case you were asleep in class, Bush wanted out of the NG
at a time when a lot of Regular Air Force Pilots wanted in.

I thought he didn't want to destroy his political aspirations
by failing the test at his medical.


Could be.

Could just be that he had six months more of duty, in an aircraft which
was being phased out of service, and was transferring to a unit which
didn't have that aircraft, anyway. Contrary to popular opinion, an Air
Force flight physical is a little more exacting that counting up the number
of eyes, arms and legs, dividing by three and check to see if the number is
2.


tschus
pyotr

In article , pyotr filipivich
says...

So what's going to happen in the future? What does Kerry intend to do
about the events which are more likely to occur? Does he have any realistic
plans for February 05?

Darn good questions. Could he do worse? Let's see,
get us involved in a war that blows up the US budget
deficit to the highest levels imaginable, which fails
to meet any of its predicted goals. That would
put him at par.

I dunno, I don't think he needs a plan. The incumbent
apparently never did have one. Unless you say,
"doing what paul wolfowitz tells me" is defined as
'a plan.'

Jim


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I missed the staff meeting but the minutes show Jim Stewart
wrote back on Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:41:21 -0700 in
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Who cares about Clinton, he's recovering from open heart surgery
(Gottwillen.)

No, it is Rather and other yapping laptop lackeys of the Democrat Party

You misspelt "lapdog"

Lapdof is so ... sixties. :-)

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Most journalists these days couldn't investigate a missing chocolate cake
at a pre-school without a Democrat office holder telling them what to look for,
where, and what significance it all has.

I missed the staff meeting but the minutes show jim rozen
wrote back on 16 Sep 2004 17:48:00 -0700 in
rec.crafts.metalworking :
In article , pyotr filipivich
says...

So what's going to happen in the future? What does Kerry intend to do
about the events which are more likely to occur? Does he have any realistic
plans for February 05?

Darn good questions. Could he do worse? Let's see,
get us involved in a war that blows up the US budget
deficit to the highest levels imaginable, which fails
to meet any of its predicted goals. That would
put him at par.

I dunno, I don't think he needs a plan. The incumbent
apparently never did have one. Unless you say,
"doing what paul wolfowitz tells me" is defined as
'a plan.'

Kerry has a plan: out source the State Department and Defense
Department. Who needs them if we're going to ask for permission from the
French to defend ourselves.

But don't worry, we'll all have "free" health insurance.

Jim

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as an explaination for the decline in the US's tech edge, James
Niccol wrote "It used to be that the USA was pretty good at
producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with."

In article , pyotr filipivich
says...

Kerry has a plan: out source the State Department and Defense
Department.

Yeah - to Halliburon!

Jim


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On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 15:42:31 -0700, Jim Stewart
wrote:

Slashdot had a link to this site:

http://shapeofdays.typepad.com/the_s...are_quest.html

WTF?

Fort Worth Star Telegram - Sept 17, 2004

By Michael Hedges

Houston Chronicle


WASHINGTON - Bill Burkett, who has emerged as a possible CBS source
for disputed memos about President Bush's Guard service, has a long
history of making charges against Bush and the Texas National Guard.

But Burkett's allegations have changed over the years and have been
dismissed as baseless by former Guard colleagues, state legislators
and others.

Even Burkett has admitted that some of his allegations are false.

Burkett wrote a long indictment of Bush for a Web site in 2003 in
which he said he was personally ordered to "alter personnel records of
George W. Bush." In that article, Burkett said that when he refused he
was sent to Panama as punishment, where he contracted a disabling
disease.

But when asked about that charge by the Houston Chronicle in February,
Burkett said, "That statement was not accurate, that is overstated."

Burkett, 54, of Baird, has refused to return calls since the CBS
report on Bush's Guard service aired last week.

On Thursday, The Washington Post and The New York Times named Burkett
as a possible source for documents CBS used that experts have called
fakes. The documents were faxed from a Kinko's in Abilene, the closest
commercial copier to Burkett's home in Baird.

The CBS report used documents signed by since-deceased Texas Air
National Guard Lt. Col. Jerry Killian to suggest that Bush disobeyed a
direct order to take a flight physical in 1972.

If Burkett is the source of the CBS documents, he apparently must have
obtained them recently. In earlier interviews, he described years of
fruitless searching.

One month ago, in an essay posted on a progressive Web site, Burkett
theorized that Killian would have been a likely person to know more
about Bush's service. But, he conceded, "I have found no documentation
from LTC Killian's hand or staff that indicate that this unit was
involved in any complicit way to ... cover for the failures of 1Lt.
Bush." Burkett went on to say, "On the contrary, LTC Killian's remarks
are rare."

Several people with connections to the Texas National Guard
immediately suspected that Burkett was the source of the CBS report
last week and saw it as part of an ongoing vendetta against Bush and
the Guard.

If Burkett does prove to be the source of the documents, CBS got them
from a man with a well-established history of Bush loathing.

In an article Burkett wrote for the Internet last year, he compared
Bush to Hitler and Napoleon as one of "the three small men" who sought
to rule through tyranny. "Three small men who wanted to conquer and
vanquish," Burkett wrote. Burkett confirmed authorship of that article
in the February Chronicle interview.

That Burkett's story has changed or evolved over the years is a matter
of record.

During Bush's first White House run in 2000, Burkett told reporters
that he overheard both ends of a phone conversation between former
Texas Guard commander Gen. Daniel James III and Joe Allbaugh, Bush's
one-time Texas chief of staff, that he said occurred in the summer of
1997.

But that claim changed this year.

In February, Burkett said he witnessed documents from Bush's records
in a garbage can at a Guard base in Austin.

In article ,
jim rozen wrote:

In article , pyotr filipivich
says...

So, you are believing that these documents are real documents, despite
the lack of verification aside from CBS?

Which documents, the ones released by the white house, that
say that bush got grounded for disobeying the order to
take a physical?

Now why would *any* jet pilot (heck, that's got to be
the best job in the whole world) decide he'd rather be
grounded than take a simple physical?

Jim

The 'simple physical' was a drug test. To the best of my knowledge he
has never taken a drug test since that day. You have to be drug free to
fly a plane, but there is no drug test required to order a nuclear
strike.

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Why would ANY person decide that he wanted to be President, likely the worst
job in the world? Bush et al were already more money that the President's job
pays, with alot less headaches and responsibility. Or for that matter, any
elected office. Flying a hunk of metal at sonic speeds and wearing a parachute
all the time is not my idea of the "perfect" job

In article , Nick Hull says...

Now why would *any* jet pilot (heck, that's got to be
the best job in the whole world) decide he'd rather be
grounded than take a simple physical?

Jim

The 'simple physical' was a drug test. To the best of my knowledge he
has never taken a drug test since that day. You have to be drug free to
fly a plane, but there is no drug test required to order a nuclear
strike.

If he had been convicted of a drug related offence, that
would have nearly destroyed his political career. He
made a choice to keep the political option open but
deal with the outfall of disobeying the order.

Jim


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In article , GMasterman says...

Why would ANY person decide that he wanted to be President,

Desire to be as good as dad.

:^)

Real reason: power.

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Jim,

Since you are so good at looking inside people's heads and figuring out what
their motives were... please tell us what Kerry was planning when he
defended himself from the attack by that wall that injured him so severely
(not) that he received a purple heart.

George Willer

"jim rozen" wrote in message
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In article , Nick Hull
says...

Now why would *any* jet pilot (heck, that's got to be
the best job in the whole world) decide he'd rather be
grounded than take a simple physical?

Jim

The 'simple physical' was a drug test. To the best of my knowledge he
has never taken a drug test since that day. You have to be drug free to
fly a plane, but there is no drug test required to order a nuclear
strike.

If he had been convicted of a drug related offence, that
would have nearly destroyed his political career. He
made a choice to keep the political option open but
deal with the outfall of disobeying the order.

Jim


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