I'll have a new co-worker in a couple of weeks and being the "old man"
of the shop I'd like to collect a "kit" of tools (shop supplied tools,
not personal) for him including things like drills, lathe bit blanks,
etc. I have other ideas but want to see what ideas you guys come up
with. Uh-Oh Is this considered trolling? Thanks.
--
Randy Replogle (Central Indiana)
Email address is legit
http://www.chem.purdue.edu/machine

This kit will embody the entire philosophy of your working relationship. If
you do this wrong, he will be scarred for life and every job he works on
will be colored by your choices.

That said: Allen wrenches, an 8" adjustable wrench and a 10 oz. ball-peen
hammer. But the most important tool: A small, shirt-pocket notebook and a
pencil. Teach him to make lists!!! Please trust me on this. This is the
most important lesson I ever learned...and I learned it here from these guys
and gals.


"randy replogle" wrote in message
news:j6o_c.308$j62.127@trnddc04...
I'll have a new co-worker in a couple of weeks and being the "old man" of
the shop I'd like to collect a "kit" of tools (shop supplied tools, not
personal) for him including things like drills, lathe bit blanks, etc. I
have other ideas but want to see what ideas you guys come up with. Uh-Oh
Is this considered trolling? Thanks.
--
Randy Replogle (Central Indiana)
Email address is legit
http://www.chem.purdue.edu/machine

On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 19:59:49 GMT, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:

This kit will embody the entire philosophy of your working relationship. If
you do this wrong, he will be scarred for life and every job he works on
will be colored by your choices.

That said: Allen wrenches, an 8" adjustable wrench and a 10 oz. ball-peen
hammer. But the most important tool: A small, shirt-pocket notebook and a
pencil. Teach him to make lists!!! Please trust me on this. This is the
most important lesson I ever learned...and I learned it here from these guys
and gals.


Hi,

Just to make sense, making lists such as for example?

Cheers,

Wizard

Jason D. wrote:

On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 19:59:49 GMT, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:


This kit will embody the entire philosophy of your working relationship. If
you do this wrong, he will be scarred for life and every job he works on
will be colored by your choices.

That said: Allen wrenches, an 8" adjustable wrench and a 10 oz. ball-peen
hammer. But the most important tool: A small, shirt-pocket notebook and a
pencil. Teach him to make lists!!! Please trust me on this. This is the
most important lesson I ever learned...and I learned it here from these guys
and gals.



Hi,

Just to make sense, making lists such as for example?

Cheers,

Wizard


"To do" lists, but more importantly "Don't do" lists, like "Don't borrow
the boss' pet micrometer and let him see you using it for a C-clamp.

Jeff

--
My name is Jeff Wisnia and I approved this message....

(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public
schools"

Jeff Wisnia wrote:
SNIP


"To do" lists, but more importantly "Don't do" lists, like "Don't borrow
the boss' pet micrometer and let him see you using it for a C-clamp.

Jeff


It's OK if the boss doesn't see you? G
--
Steve Walker
(remove wallet to reply)

Jeff Wisnia wrote:

"Don't borrow the boss' pet micrometer and let him see you using it for a
C-clamp."

Jeff

Now how the hell are you gonna clamp anything with any kind of precision if you
don't have a calibrated C-clamp??? Geez!!!!

Just to make sense, making lists such as for example?
Wizard

Lists of stuff that one would forget or delay because it isn't on the list.

"Jason D." wrote in message
...
Just to make sense, making lists such as for example?

Well, a good one to start off with: every time you have to borrow a tool,
you write it down in you notebook. After the next paycheck, when you go tool
shopping, you have a better idea exactly _what_ tools you need to be looking
at.


Other stuff to scribble down:
Measurements.

Compound calculations

Hours worked

Machine settings

I'm sure there's other things as well.

Speaking of notebooks. I carry a 3 x 5 notebook made by J. Darling Corp.,
Tacoma, WA, 253-922-5000 called "Rite in the Rain" It has polyethylene
covers and special treated paper that is water proof. The covers absolutely
do not tear off, and you can write on the paper while it is soaking wet.
They hold up extremely well riding around in my hip pocket all the time. I
date each one when I start using it. I then date it again when it is full.
I don't throw them away. In the front of each pad is my phone number list.
Each time I start a new notebook I transfer the list, removing numbers I no
longer need and alphabetizing the random numbers that accumulated from the
last list. This was very useful recently when I ran over my cell phone with
my van while out on the road! I find that the process of updating note
books also refreshes my own memory and insures that I get things done that I
have promised. I have them going back more than ten years now. My habit is
to NEVER write anything down somewhere else until I've written it down in my
notebook first. This way I never lose phone numbers or other important
data.

I consider a notebook a sign of a good manager. Managers that don't carry
and use a notebook are for the most part poor managers.

Gary H. Lucas

"Wayne Bengtsson" wrote in message
news

"Jason D." wrote in message
...
Just to make sense, making lists such as for example?

Well, a good one to start off with: every time you have to borrow a tool,
you write it down in you notebook. After the next paycheck, when you go
tool
shopping, you have a better idea exactly _what_ tools you need to be
looking
at.


Other stuff to scribble down:
Measurements.

Compound calculations

Hours worked

Machine settings

I'm sure there's other things as well.

Gary H. Lucas wrote:

This was very useful recently when I ran over my cell phone with
my van while out on the road!


Gary H. Lucas



I know cell phones can be very annoying but just turn the thing off, you
don't have to run over it. G


John

I use the cheap Mead or similar. I've been doing that since my first
management job. I've only started keeping the filled ones for the last 5
years since I have been in business for myself. I've got the full nerd set
up. Left shirt pocket: Scale in the scale pocket, flashlight, screwdriver,
sharpie, pen, pencil. In that order. Same pocket behind the clippable stuff
is the notebook and a Besley drill/tap chart. Right shirt pocket: Business
cards, laser pointer.


"Gary H. Lucas" wrote in message
news:nm1%c.5819$wF4.2705@trndny09...
Speaking of notebooks. I carry a 3 x 5 notebook made by J. Darling Corp.,
Tacoma, WA, 253-922-5000 called "Rite in the Rain" It has polyethylene
covers and special treated paper that is water proof. The covers
absolutely
do not tear off, and you can write on the paper while it is soaking wet.
They hold up extremely well riding around in my hip pocket all the time.
I
date each one when I start using it. I then date it again when it is
full.
I don't throw them away. In the front of each pad is my phone number
list.
Each time I start a new notebook I transfer the list, removing numbers I
no
longer need and alphabetizing the random numbers that accumulated from the
last list. This was very useful recently when I ran over my cell phone
with
my van while out on the road! I find that the process of updating note
books also refreshes my own memory and insures that I get things done that
I
have promised. I have them going back more than ten years now. My habit
is
to NEVER write anything down somewhere else until I've written it down in
my
notebook first. This way I never lose phone numbers or other important
data.

I consider a notebook a sign of a good manager. Managers that don't carry
and use a notebook are for the most part poor managers.

Gary H. Lucas

"Wayne Bengtsson" wrote in message
news

"Jason D." wrote in message
...
Just to make sense, making lists such as for example?

Well, a good one to start off with: every time you have to borrow a
tool,
you write it down in you notebook. After the next paycheck, when you go
tool
shopping, you have a better idea exactly _what_ tools you need to be
looking
at.


Other stuff to scribble down:
Measurements.

Compound calculations

Hours worked

Machine settings

I'm sure there's other things as well.

I used a Rite in the Rain in an WET underground mine. They are
indispensable. One Caveat: Make sure you use an appropriate writing tool. It
needs to be waterproof ink or a good pencil as well, or you just end up with
a bunch of smears on a page.

The RitR's are available at most office supply places, at least here in the
woods.

tHAT

"Gary H. Lucas" wrote in message
news:nm1%c.5819$wF4.2705@trndny09...
Speaking of notebooks. I carry a 3 x 5 notebook made by J. Darling Corp.,
Tacoma, WA, 253-922-5000 called "Rite in the Rain" It has polyethylene
covers and special treated paper that is water proof. The covers
absolutely
do not tear off, and you can write on the paper while it is soaking wet.
They hold up extremely well riding around in my hip pocket all the time.
I
date each one when I start using it. I then date it again when it is
full.
I don't throw them away. In the front of each pad is my phone number
list.
Each time I start a new notebook I transfer the list, removing numbers I
no
longer need and alphabetizing the random numbers that accumulated from the
last list. This was very useful recently when I ran over my cell phone
with
my van while out on the road! I find that the process of updating note
books also refreshes my own memory and insures that I get things done that
I
have promised. I have them going back more than ten years now. My habit
is
to NEVER write anything down somewhere else until I've written it down in
my
notebook first. This way I never lose phone numbers or other important
data.

I consider a notebook a sign of a good manager. Managers that don't carry
and use a notebook are for the most part poor managers.

Gary H. Lucas

"Wayne Bengtsson" wrote in message
news

"Jason D." wrote in message
...
Just to make sense, making lists such as for example?

Well, a good one to start off with: every time you have to borrow a tool,
you write it down in you notebook. After the next paycheck, when you go
tool
shopping, you have a better idea exactly _what_ tools you need to be
looking
at.


Other stuff to scribble down:
Measurements.

Compound calculations

Hours worked

Machine settings

I'm sure there's other things as well.

"Gary H. Lucas" wrote in message
news:nm1%c.5819$wF4.2705@trndny09...

I consider a notebook a sign of a good manager. Managers that don't carry
and use a notebook are for the most part poor managers.


I pay other people to carry the notebook for me.

--

SVL

I missed the staff meeting but the minutes show (Jason
D.) wrote back on Sat, 04 Sep 2004 21:54:08 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking
:
On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 19:59:49 GMT, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:

This kit will embody the entire philosophy of your working relationship. If
you do this wrong, he will be scarred for life and every job he works on
will be colored by your choices.

That said: Allen wrenches, an 8" adjustable wrench and a 10 oz. ball-peen
hammer. But the most important tool: A small, shirt-pocket notebook and a
pencil. Teach him to make lists!!! Please trust me on this. This is the
most important lesson I ever learned...and I learned it here from these guys
and gals.


Hi,

Just to make sense, making lists such as for example?

Lists to make: who, what and where. break times, locations of tools,
etc. (Of course, I am the sort who has to write it down, or I'll forget.
I may never again look at the notes, but "non scriptum, non est".)
Somewhere in that notebook is a page for "scribbling", especially job
numbers. "Where's the stuff for this Job?" isn't much different than
walking up to the metropolitan bus terminal and asking "What time does the
bus leave?" Write it down, then you are less likely to have to come back
wondering "was that 6061 or 6160?" Or worse, discover after the fact that
you got the wrong stock.

Write down setups. Tools needed (what size wrench, etc) Feeds, speeds,
tooling, "tricks of the trade", and the `howdoyas' ("How do you ...") Use
sketches. This doesn't have to be "art" just clear enough bring it back to
mind.

OF course, this presumes that the note-taker is "literate". I've known
some folks who couldn't write for spit. Read, yes, but their writing
skills were minimal.

tschus
pyotr



Cheers,

Wizard

--
pyotr filipivich.
as an explaination for the decline in the US's tech edge, James
Niccol wrote "It used to be that the USA was pretty good at
producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with."

"Tom Gardner" wrote in
:

This kit will embody the entire philosophy of your working
relationship. If you do this wrong, he will be scarred for life and
every job he works on will be colored by your choices.

That said: Allen wrenches, an 8" adjustable wrench and a 10 oz.
ball-peen hammer. But the most important tool: A small, shirt-pocket
notebook and a pencil. Teach him to make lists!!! Please trust me on
this. This is the most important lesson I ever learned...and I
learned it here from these guys and gals.


"randy replogle" wrote in message
news:j6o_c.308$j62.127@trnddc04...
I'll have a new co-worker in a couple of weeks and being the "old
man" of the shop I'd like to collect a "kit" of tools (shop supplied
tools, not personal) for him including things like drills, lathe bit
blanks, etc. I have other ideas but want to see what ideas you guys
come up with. Uh-Oh Is this considered trolling? Thanks.
--
Randy Replogle (Central Indiana)
Email address is legit
http://www.chem.purdue.edu/machine





Excellent advice, but please include a dead-blow hammer. Great for
seating parts in a vice or fixture.



--
Anthony

You can't 'idiot proof' anything....every time you try, they just make
better idiots.

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On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 19:59:49 GMT, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:

A small, shirt-pocket notebook and a pencil.

And if you want him to make lists that he ought to keep, make that a
Moleskine (yes, with the "e") notebook. I run several notebooks
simultaneously - a reporter's notebook for disposable "shopping lists"
and a Moleskine for the permanent stuff.

Oh, and a copy of Zeus' tables too - maybe Machinery's Handbook if
you're feeling generous.

Your _own_ safety glasses and ears make some people less squeamish
about using the "pool" sets.

--
Smert' spamionam

Tom Gardner wrote:

A small, shirt-pocket notebook and a
pencil. Teach him to make lists!!! Please trust me on this. This is the
most important lesson I ever learned...and I learned it here from these guys
and gals.


I've been doing this myself lately. A lot of ideas pass through my mind
during the day and if I don't write them down immediately they're gone
forever or at least 'til the next time I need that tap that we just ran
out of. Thanks.
--
Randy Replogle (Central Indiana)
Email address is legit
http://www.chem.purdue.edu/machine

Tom Gardner wrote:

This kit will embody the entire philosophy of your working relationship. If
you do this wrong, he will be scarred for life and every job he works on
will be colored by your choices.

Please elaborate.
--
Randy Replogle (Central Indiana)
Email address is legit
http://www.chem.purdue.edu/machine

How about a cleaning brush, some lubricants, a company shirt or hat or
coffee mug, a phone list of contacts and what they do. Give him the name of
the gal who really makes thing happen. Are we to assume that this person is
being hired to work in a machine shop, or is it some other kind of shop.
lg
no neat sig line

"randy replogle" wrote in message
news:j6o_c.308$j62.127@trnddc04...
I'll have a new co-worker in a couple of weeks and being the "old man"
of the shop I'd like to collect a "kit" of tools (shop supplied tools,
not personal) for him including things like drills, lathe bit blanks,
etc. I have other ideas but want to see what ideas you guys come up
with. Uh-Oh Is this considered trolling? Thanks.
--
Randy Replogle (Central Indiana)
Email address is legit
http://www.chem.purdue.edu/machine

larry g wrote:

How about a cleaning brush, some lubricants, a company shirt or hat or
coffee mug, a phone list of contacts and what they do. Give him the name of
the gal who really makes thing happen. Are we to assume that this person is
being hired to work in a machine shop, or is it some other kind of shop.
lg
no neat sig line

"randy replogle" wrote in message
news:j6o_c.308$j62.127@trnddc04...

I'll have a new co-worker in a couple of weeks and being the "old man"
of the shop I'd like to collect a "kit" of tools (shop supplied tools,
not personal) for him including things like drills, lathe bit blanks,
etc. I have other ideas but want to see what ideas you guys come up
with. Uh-Oh Is this considered trolling? Thanks.
--
Randy Replogle (Central Indiana)
Email address is legit
http://www.chem.purdue.edu/machine





Yes, it's a machine shop, check the URL in my sig. It hasn't been
updated, though. "The gal who makes things happen?" I think he's married
Just kidding! Thanks.
--
Randy Replogle (Central Indiana)
Email address is legit
http://www.chem.purdue.edu/machine

On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 15:48:14 GMT, randy replogle
wrote:




Yes, it's a machine shop, check the URL in my sig. It hasn't been
updated, though. "The gal who makes things happen?" I think he's married
Just kidding! Thanks.
Actually, this is the young female clerk who looks after the time
sheets and makes out the checks.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

I missed the staff meeting but the minutes show Gerald Miller
wrote back on Sun, 05 Sep 2004 16:38:10 GMT in
rec.crafts.metalworking :

Yes, it's a machine shop, check the URL in my sig. It hasn't been
updated, though. "The gal who makes things happen?" I think he's married
Just kidding! Thanks.
Actually, this is the young female clerk who looks after the time
sheets and makes out the checks.

In every outfit, there is a formal organization, and an informal
organization. Twice bless is the company which has the two organizations
the same.

The formal organization is obvious, who has what job title, and what
official responsibility.
The informal organization is the one which you knows that to get a
[fill in the blank], you talk to Person Y, not the person on the chart. I
saw this years ago during an internship. The liaison guy couldn't get us
the Company hats, but we did get hats from one of the guys we knew who also
worked there.

It still is a good policy to be nice to the office staff, they can help
you, or just "work to rule". But that is often something which is entirely
up to the individual.

tschus
pyotr


--
pyotr filipivich.
as an explaination for the decline in the US's tech edge, James
Niccol wrote "It used to be that the USA was pretty good at
producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with."

A cheap digital caliper from HF. They're simply fantastic.

"randy replogle" wrote in message
news:j6o_c.308$j62.127@trnddc04...
I'll have a new co-worker in a couple of weeks and being the "old man"
of the shop I'd like to collect a "kit" of tools (shop supplied tools,
not personal) for him including things like drills, lathe bit blanks,
etc. I have other ideas but want to see what ideas you guys come up
with. Uh-Oh Is this considered trolling? Thanks.
--
Randy Replogle (Central Indiana)
Email address is legit
http://www.chem.purdue.edu/machine