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Frank Ford
 
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I moved into my house in 1971, and bought (for $15.00) the used late
1960s vintage GE washer that was there at the time. I stuck it down
in the basement, and simply connected its outflow hose to the end of
the sewer line. It worked fine, pumping to a 6 foot head, but as the
the hoses began to age, the water that sluiced back into the washer
after each load carried with it quite a bit of black residue from the
rubber hoses. About 8 years ago, I stuck an old oil drum behind the
machine with a sump pump in it, and connected it to the end of the
sewer line. It works better than before - so much better that I
wished I'd done it in the first place. And, yes, that washer is still
in fine shape, cranking load after load. I did have to replace the
timer about 15 years ago, but otherwise, I think I've gotten my 15
bucks out of that machine. Maybe someday I'll have to replace the
hoses. Wouldn't want to rush things, though. . .
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I wish i was so lucky I went a bought the most expensive washer in the store (
maytag neptune) thinking the more i spend the less proplems i will have .Well
they have changed it out 3 times and now my waranty is out.My door latch went
bad
and blew a resister in the main board $ 200 just for parts . I wonder why they
can't make the same washers as the one you have .Why change it if it works.
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TLKALLAM8 wrote:
I wish i was so lucky I went a bought the most expensive washer in the store (
maytag neptune) thinking the more i spend the less proplems i will have .Well
they have changed it out 3 times and now my waranty is out.My door latch went
bad
and blew a resister in the main board $ 200 just for parts . I wonder why they
can't make the same washers as the one you have .Why change it if it works.

well I like it, good to hear about old equipment still doing its job.
how about extending this thread to cover all old gear being used?
including tools equipment plant just about anything?

Ill start off by mentioniing Ive here in the UK a nice 1942 15kw ex WD
generator. Just did an oil change and the fibre coupling between the
diesel and the alternator. now 62 years old and still going well. Use it
to power a stick welder/ transformer of the same vintage. Will give 200
amps continious all day.
Look forward to other news.
Ted Frater Dorset UK.
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AL
 
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The front loading Neptune is troublesome because it is a new design. Same
with those models equipped with LCD displays.

A plain old top loading washer from a good company (eg. Whirlpool, Maytag,
but not GE) will still last a long time.

"TLKALLAM8" wrote in message
...
I wish i was so lucky I went a bought the most expensive washer in the

store (
maytag neptune) thinking the more i spend the less proplems i will have

..Well
they have changed it out 3 times and now my waranty is out.My door latch

went
bad
and blew a resister in the main board $ 200 just for parts . I wonder why

they
can't make the same washers as the one you have .Why change it if it

works.




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Leon Heller
 
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"TLKALLAM8" wrote in message
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I wish i was so lucky I went a bought the most expensive washer in the

store (
maytag neptune) thinking the more i spend the less proplems i will have

..Well
they have changed it out 3 times and now my waranty is out.My door latch

went
bad
and blew a resister in the main board $ 200 just for parts . I wonder why

they
can't make the same washers as the one you have .Why change it if it

works.

Didn't Maytag make very reliable long-lasting equipment at one time? I think
Vance Packard mentioned them favourably in his book 'The Wastemakers'.

Leon
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http://www.geocities.com/leon_heller


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wallster
 
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"Leon Heller" wrote in message
...
"TLKALLAM8" wrote in message
...
I wish i was so lucky I went a bought the most expensive washer in the

store (
maytag neptune) thinking the more i spend the less proplems i will have

.Well
they have changed it out 3 times and now my waranty is out.My door latch

went
bad
and blew a resister in the main board $ 200 just for parts . I wonder why

they
can't make the same washers as the one you have .Why change it if it

works.

Didn't Maytag make very reliable long-lasting equipment at one time? I
think
Vance Packard mentioned them favourably in his book 'The Wastemakers'.

Leon
--
Leon Heller, G1HSM
http://www.geocities.com/leon_heller

I have a year old maytag dishwasher that was installed when i had my kitchen
completly gutted and renovated. About six months after it was installed it
just stopped. I pulled the service panel off and checked the power lead with
a multimeter. It showed 117.5 volts... it had power (or so i thought) I
didn't want to mess with something i knew little about so i called a friend
of the family who had been fixing our appliances for years. He worked full
time for an appliance service company and in the evening he repairs stuff
"on the side"
He stopped by, pulled the panel and found a loose wire nut on the common
lead (i checked the freakin power lead never thinking the common was loose)
he replaced the wire nuts, reattached the panel (about 4-6 screws) then
charged us $40.00 Not bad for about five minutes of work! (that's like $480.
per hour) i think brain surgery cost that much.
Anyway, i hope my $40.00 story will inspire all of you to check ALL the
basic stuff before giving in. I think $40. was excessive, if it were me, i'd
have said, "it was a simple fix, how about $20." but that's me.

walt


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1n 1972 we build a new house and filled it up with all new appliances,
whirlpool refrigerator, kenmore washer and a kenmore dryer..... the
house had caloric oven, cook top and dishwasher installed by the
builder...the washer lasted about 30 yrs. we just got tired of looking
at the avacado color.. the dryer only lasted about 28 yrs... due to a
gas problems that i could not figure out and it was leaking sometimes
and was too close to the pilot in the hot water heat so we got rid of
it. the ovwen conked out at about 30 yrs... the dishwasher never worked
right after the first year and we never had much use for it..the cooktop
is still working fine and the refrigerator was replace by a new one
about three years ago... but still in use in the garage... the new stuff
we had to replace it did not hold up as well. i think i had worked on
just about everything new we had bought recently... good think i kept
all my old repair manuals to keep the new ones running.... same
priniciple but now getting to electronically involved that the techs
dont work on them anymore and just replace circuit boards............
anything beyound a bad solder joint on the circuit board, a burned
resistor, a broken or burned contact point ... and then i am lost on the
electronics part.......
worst thing they could have done(in my opinion) is to fill all the new
stuff with electronics)... kinda hard to fix and costly as hell.....
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1n 1972 we build a new house and filled it up with all new appliances,
whirlpool refrigerator, kenmore washer and a kenmore dryer..... the
house had caloric oven, cook top and dishwasher installed by the
builder...the washer lasted about 30 yrs. we just got tired of looking
at the avacado color.. the dryer only lasted about 28 yrs... due to a
gas problems that i could not figure out and it was leaking sometimes
and was too close to the pilot in the hot water heat so we got rid of
it. the ovwen conked out at about 30 yrs... the dishwasher never worked
right after the first year and we never had much use for it..the cooktop
is still working fine and the refrigerator was replace by a new one
about three years ago... but still in use in the garage... the new stuff
we had to replace it did not hold up as well. i think i had worked on
just about everything new we had bought recently... good think i kept
all my old repair manuals to keep the new ones running.... same
priniciple but now getting to electronically involved that the techs
dont work on them anymore and just replace circuit boards............
anything beyound a bad solder joint on the circuit board, a burned
resistor, a broken or burned contact point ... and then i am lost on the
electronics part.......
worst thing they could have done(in my opinion) is to fill all the new
stuff with electronics)... kinda hard to fix and costly as hell.....


Yes, I can hardly wait to be able to email my refrigerator and tell it what
to defrost for dinner while it offers me the selections via web cam...


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Ecnerwal
 
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In article . net,
"Rick" wrote:

Yes, I can hardly wait to be able to email my refrigerator and tell it what
to defrost for dinner while it offers me the selections via web cam...


And I can hardly wait until you get the "liver and onions" virus (for
people who don't like liver and onions - the virus will examine your
eating records before deciding how to infect your fridge - your fridge
electronically orders 100's of lbs of food you never eat from the store
for you, and defrosts 5 lbs of it every night, no matter what you tell
it to defrost), or the "vacation virus" (your fridge defrosts everything
and it all rots throughout your vacation).

Having seen the digital toster first as a joke, and then as a reality
that lived up to most of the problems in the joke, I'm not going for
anything excessively "smart" in my house. I prefer a dumb house that
can't get screwed up, with dumb appliances.

--
Cats, Coffee, Chocolate...vices to live by
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Leon Heller wrote:

Didn't Maytag make very reliable long-lasting equipment at one time?
I think Vance Packard mentioned them favourably in his book 'The
Wastemakers'.

Leon


My Maytag washer & dryer were bought in 1964 and still going strong. The
last service call turned out to be for a dead motor, and the guy had one
in his truck. It's been improved, but it's still a drop in replacement!
Everythin I hear says the new ones aren't nearly as long lasting.

David
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Machineman
 
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How about the new LG fridge with the tv in the door :-) Havn't seen a
price on it but they have one without that goes for $3k cnd.
http://ca.lge.com/en/prodmodeldetail...elect+a+model#

Ecnerwal wrote:

In article . net,
"Rick" wrote:


Yes, I can hardly wait to be able to email my refrigerator and tell it what
to defrost for dinner while it offers me the selections via web cam...



And I can hardly wait until you get the "liver and onions" virus (for
people who don't like liver and onions - the virus will examine your
eating records before deciding how to infect your fridge - your fridge
electronically orders 100's of lbs of food you never eat from the store
for you, and defrosts 5 lbs of it every night, no matter what you tell
it to defrost), or the "vacation virus" (your fridge defrosts everything
and it all rots throughout your vacation).

Having seen the digital toster first as a joke, and then as a reality
that lived up to most of the problems in the joke, I'm not going for
anything excessively "smart" in my house. I prefer a dumb house that
can't get screwed up, with dumb appliances.


--
James P Crombie
Slemon Park, PEI
Canada
Machinist - 3D Cad Design - Amateur Astronomer

http://www.jamescrombie.com

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Greetings all,

It was announced that a new company, TMIO I believe, will be taking over
an abandoned manufacturing site here in Chattanooga to build "smart" ovens.
They are supposed to be similar to the "smart" refrigerators mentioned
above. Price tag, about $3,500. YIKES! Guess I'll stick with my old Magic
Chef for a while.

Regards,
Jim C Roberts


http://www.tmio.com/TonightsMenuIntelligentOven.htm



"Machineman" wrote in message
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How about the new LG fridge with the tv in the door :-) Havn't seen a
price on it but they have one without that goes for $3k cnd.

http://ca.lge.com/en/prodmodeldetail...delCate goryI
d=050101&categoryId=050101&parentId=0501&modelCode Display=LRSC26980SB-TT&mod
el=Select+a+model#

Ecnerwal wrote:

In article . net,
"Rick" wrote:


Yes, I can hardly wait to be able to email my refrigerator and tell it

what
to defrost for dinner while it offers me the selections via web cam...



And I can hardly wait until you get the "liver and onions" virus (for
people who don't like liver and onions - the virus will examine your
eating records before deciding how to infect your fridge - your fridge
electronically orders 100's of lbs of food you never eat from the store
for you, and defrosts 5 lbs of it every night, no matter what you tell
it to defrost), or the "vacation virus" (your fridge defrosts everything
and it all rots throughout your vacation).

Having seen the digital toster first as a joke, and then as a reality
that lived up to most of the problems in the joke, I'm not going for
anything excessively "smart" in my house. I prefer a dumb house that
can't get screwed up, with dumb appliances.


--
James P Crombie
Slemon Park, PEI
Canada
Machinist - 3D Cad Design - Amateur Astronomer

http://www.jamescrombie.com



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On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:56:28 +0100, "Leon Heller"
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Didn't Maytag make very reliable long-lasting equipment at one time? I think
Vance Packard mentioned them favourably in his book 'The Wastemakers'.

Leon

In '78 I had a good year so we bought Maytag washer, dryer, and
dishwasher. The washer has never (touch wood) required service. The
element has been replaced three times along with one fan impeller and
one drive belt on the dryer, oh yes and a door latch and a substitute
door safety switch. The dishwasher OTOH has been replaced one piece at
a time, motor, belt, pump, timer, water level switch, dish rack,
silverware basket (2), and solenoid water valve. I now have two spare
parts DW'ers bought at a cost of $11 so I should get a few more years
from this one. Over all, I have been well served by these machines,
although I understand that latter machines don't last as well.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada
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I had that sort of a problem with a dryer spent. Took an hour before I
checked the outlet and found I only had one side of the 220. The electrician
only tightened one hot and the neutral screw, one hot had never been
tightened down. I thought it was good because I checked and reset the
breaker first.
Karl

"wallster" wrote in message
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"Leon Heller" wrote in message
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"TLKALLAM8" wrote in message
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I wish i was so lucky I went a bought the most expensive washer in the

store (
maytag neptune) thinking the more i spend the less proplems i will have

.Well
they have changed it out 3 times and now my waranty is out.My door

latch
went
bad
and blew a resister in the main board $ 200 just for parts . I wonder

why
they
can't make the same washers as the one you have .Why change it if it

works.

Didn't Maytag make very reliable long-lasting equipment at one time? I
think
Vance Packard mentioned them favourably in his book 'The Wastemakers'.

Leon
--
Leon Heller, G1HSM
http://www.geocities.com/leon_heller

I have a year old maytag dishwasher that was installed when i had my

kitchen
completly gutted and renovated. About six months after it was installed it
just stopped. I pulled the service panel off and checked the power lead

with
a multimeter. It showed 117.5 volts... it had power (or so i thought) I
didn't want to mess with something i knew little about so i called a

friend
of the family who had been fixing our appliances for years. He worked full
time for an appliance service company and in the evening he repairs stuff
"on the side"
He stopped by, pulled the panel and found a loose wire nut on the common
lead (i checked the freakin power lead never thinking the common was

loose)
he replaced the wire nuts, reattached the panel (about 4-6 screws) then
charged us $40.00 Not bad for about five minutes of work! (that's like

$480.
per hour) i think brain surgery cost that much.
Anyway, i hope my $40.00 story will inspire all of you to check ALL the
basic stuff before giving in. I think $40. was excessive, if it were me,

i'd
have said, "it was a simple fix, how about $20." but that's me.

walt




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On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 03:29:55 GMT, "Karl Vorwerk"
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I had that sort of a problem with a dryer spent. Took an hour before I
checked the outlet and found I only had one side of the 220. The electrician
only tightened one hot and the neutral screw, one hot had never been
tightened down. I thought it was good because I checked and reset the
breaker first.
Karl


Ran into this when my chums tenant got her dryer motor rewound and I
got to reinstall it. still no joy so I put a test light on the outlet
and one side was dead, both fuses looked OK but one was open. I had
run into this before when a neighbor's dryer had no heat and I found
an open fuse in the line that wasn't feeding the motor. I never trust
a good "looking" fuse, It only takes a second to check.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada
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Maytags, here in Canada at least, are identical to some of the other
run-of-the-mill appliances I see in the stores. I think they're being
built by the same people who build most of the other machines for the
various brands, and so they're essentially identical mechanically and
not the superior construction that they used to be. I think they'd be
made in China if they weren't so big; shipping keeps that from being
worthwhile. I bought a 1964 Maytag washer/dryer set a few years ago,
used them in the house without much trouble, and brought them to the
shop when we bought a newer pair. We still use those old ones to do
coveralls, rags, and so on without a hitch, and the newer ones need
frequent tinkering.
It really burns me that the electronic stuff costs so much. It's
all profit: the mechanical timers were labour-intensive to assemble,
and there were many pieces in the things, all requiring various
different stamping dies, molds, machining and so on. The electronic
devices are made entirely by machine and human hands never touch them
except to stick them in the appliance. They cost more because they
impress the consumer more. They *look* more expensive.
I'm restoring a 1951 International Harvester pickup truck. Tired
of electronic engine controls and ignition, plastic, and aluminum
transmission cases. It now has a newer Ford engine in it, with a
points-and-capacitor distributor, and better rear axle ratio, but
there are no fancy doodads to give me fits.

Dan
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