On Thursday, November 6, 2014 6:23:23 PM UTC-8, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 08:57:32 +0700, John B. Slocomb
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 17:14:38 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 13:51:40 -0800 (PST), jon_banquer
wrote:

On Thursday, November 6, 2014 1:48:00 PM UTC-8, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 13:42:58 -0800 (PST), jon_banquer
wrote:

On Thursday, November 6, 2014 1:24:25 PM UTC-8, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 12:44:06 -0800 (PST), jon_banquer
wrote:

On Thursday, November 6, 2014 11:36:36 AM UTC-8, wrote:
jon_banquer wrote:

On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 4:42:25 PM UTC-8, jon_banquer wrote:*
*http://youtu.be/Lu-catime2c*

Now at 10 views.*

Inverter technology will be the norm as transformers get phased out.*

Yeah in general (outside of the welding field which I know very little about), inverters are cheaper and they are known for switching DC from green power to AC.

I'm sure the inverter inside the Millermatic 190 is made in China to their standards.

Miller will have to keep coming up with unique engineering innovations, preferably patented, or it's all over.

Miller's inverters, including for the 190 and all others, are made by
Miller's Semiconductor Department in Appleton, WI.

Semiconductor components, as with all electronics made everywhere, are
sourced from all over the world. But the inverter assemblies are made
right here in the U.S.

You probably picked that up from one of the blog idiots. All Miller
machines made in China are sold in Asia. I'm in contact with them
every week.

--
Ed Huntress

Just checked with Justin in tech at Miller. The 190 is made in the USA from Chinese parts. Miller also has a Chinese division which does make the inverter power supplies in China.

What do you mean, "Chinese parts"? Semiconductor components, of
course, as I said above.

I'll be meeting with some of their executives next Wednesday. We'll
see what "Justin" was talking about.

--
Ed Huntress

You still won't know what you're talking about, slow Eddy. You didn't even know Miller had a separate Chinese division.

Ha-ha! Jon, whenever you make the mistake of bloviating about things
you know nothing about, you get caught. You did it for years with
CAD/CAM, and you got caught constantly. Now, talking about new
developments and big companies in the welding business, you're on my
turf. We publish welding articles every month, and I even have my
Miler/Hobart media contact on my cell phone "favorites" list. 'Same
for Lincoln Electric.


With increased competition from the Chinese it's only a matter of time before Miller's Chinese division makes all the inverters for Miller.

Tell that to ITW. The Chinese "division" makes low-end welders for the
Asian market. They don't make welders for the U.S. Because they're not
in the US market, I don't know much about them, except that Miller has
announced their existence in their press information in the past. You
probably know nothing about them at all, and won't, until you Google
around or call Justin again.

There are a boatload of Chinese welder manufacturers. Few of them have
a toehold in the US, mostly at the hobbyist end of the market. Whether
they make it to the quality commercial end of the market is an open
issue.

From what I see, small contractors in S.E.A. are using Chinese made
welders almost universally. Some of small shipyards making flat top
barges are still using transformers :-)

The U.S. probably will be slow to accept Chinese welding machines,
partly because they tried selling some real junk over here in the past
few years, and hurt their reputation. But that may change.

Regarding barges: Funny you should bring that up. Barge builders are
still using transformers in a lot of cases here, but that's changing.
Here's an article we publshed a few months ago about a big barge
builder in St. Louis who recently switched from transformer welders to
ESAB inverter machines. ESAB had some reliability problems a few years
ago but this barge company, Eagle Fabrication, gave them a hell of a
workout and they've held up great. They apply *miles* of weld bead to
build a big one of these things. This is dual-shield welding:

http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/fabs.../march2014/#/7

--
Ed Huntress


More slow eddy bull****. Sales of Chinese made inverters are really beginning to pick up in US. In the last year the quality of Chinese made inverter welders has jumped significantly.

As per usual, slow eddy is completely out of touch. slow eddy only knows what those who advertise in magazines he writes worthless ad copy for tell him.

On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 17:55:46 -0800 (PST), jon_banquer
wrote:

On Thursday, November 6, 2014 5:03:28 PM UTC-8, slow eddy wrote more useless bull**** that tries to cover his lack of real world hands on experience in a modern CNC machining job shop:

slow eddy bull**** snipped


Nothing to respond to.

You mean nothing you CAN respond to, because you're bankrupt and in a
corner.

Next time, check your facts before engaging your mouth, and you won't
have to go into full pandemonium to cover your butt. I wasn't
questioning yourexpertise, Jon. I just clarified a fact, which you had
expressed as a probability. You're the one who decided that
perpetuating your bull**** was necessary to protect your honor.

Oh...and checkmate again. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 18:30:31 -0800 (PST), jon_banquer
wrote:

On Thursday, November 6, 2014 6:23:23 PM UTC-8, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 08:57:32 +0700, John B. Slocomb
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 17:14:38 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 13:51:40 -0800 (PST), jon_banquer
wrote:

On Thursday, November 6, 2014 1:48:00 PM UTC-8, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 13:42:58 -0800 (PST), jon_banquer
wrote:

On Thursday, November 6, 2014 1:24:25 PM UTC-8, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 12:44:06 -0800 (PST), jon_banquer
wrote:

On Thursday, November 6, 2014 11:36:36 AM UTC-8, wrote:
jon_banquer wrote:

On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 4:42:25 PM UTC-8, jon_banquer wrote:*
*http://youtu.be/Lu-catime2c*

Now at 10 views.*

Inverter technology will be the norm as transformers get phased out.*

Yeah in general (outside of the welding field which I know very little about), inverters are cheaper and they are known for switching DC from green power to AC.

I'm sure the inverter inside the Millermatic 190 is made in China to their standards.

Miller will have to keep coming up with unique engineering innovations, preferably patented, or it's all over.

Miller's inverters, including for the 190 and all others, are made by
Miller's Semiconductor Department in Appleton, WI.

Semiconductor components, as with all electronics made everywhere, are
sourced from all over the world. But the inverter assemblies are made
right here in the U.S.

You probably picked that up from one of the blog idiots. All Miller
machines made in China are sold in Asia. I'm in contact with them
every week.

--
Ed Huntress

Just checked with Justin in tech at Miller. The 190 is made in the USA from Chinese parts. Miller also has a Chinese division which does make the inverter power supplies in China.

What do you mean, "Chinese parts"? Semiconductor components, of
course, as I said above.

I'll be meeting with some of their executives next Wednesday. We'll
see what "Justin" was talking about.

--
Ed Huntress

You still won't know what you're talking about, slow Eddy. You didn't even know Miller had a separate Chinese division.

Ha-ha! Jon, whenever you make the mistake of bloviating about things
you know nothing about, you get caught. You did it for years with
CAD/CAM, and you got caught constantly. Now, talking about new
developments and big companies in the welding business, you're on my
turf. We publish welding articles every month, and I even have my
Miler/Hobart media contact on my cell phone "favorites" list. 'Same
for Lincoln Electric.


With increased competition from the Chinese it's only a matter of time before Miller's Chinese division makes all the inverters for Miller.

Tell that to ITW. The Chinese "division" makes low-end welders for the
Asian market. They don't make welders for the U.S. Because they're not
in the US market, I don't know much about them, except that Miller has
announced their existence in their press information in the past. You
probably know nothing about them at all, and won't, until you Google
around or call Justin again.

There are a boatload of Chinese welder manufacturers. Few of them have
a toehold in the US, mostly at the hobbyist end of the market. Whether
they make it to the quality commercial end of the market is an open
issue.

From what I see, small contractors in S.E.A. are using Chinese made
welders almost universally. Some of small shipyards making flat top
barges are still using transformers :-)

The U.S. probably will be slow to accept Chinese welding machines,
partly because they tried selling some real junk over here in the past
few years, and hurt their reputation. But that may change.

Regarding barges: Funny you should bring that up. Barge builders are
still using transformers in a lot of cases here, but that's changing.
Here's an article we publshed a few months ago about a big barge
builder in St. Louis who recently switched from transformer welders to
ESAB inverter machines. ESAB had some reliability problems a few years
ago but this barge company, Eagle Fabrication, gave them a hell of a
workout and they've held up great. They apply *miles* of weld bead to
build a big one of these things. This is dual-shield welding:

http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/fabs.../march2014/#/7

--
Ed Huntress


More slow eddy bull****. Sales of Chinese made inverters are really beginning to pick up in US. In the last year the quality of Chinese made inverter welders has jumped significantly.

At the bottom end of the market, as I said. It's mostly hobbyists and
small-time operators.


As per usual, slow eddy is completely out of touch. slow eddy only knows what those who advertise in magazines he writes worthless ad copy for tell him.

You're an idiot, Jon.

--
Ed Huntress

On Thursday, November 6, 2014 6:46:31 PM UTC-8, Ed Huntress tried to save face and failed:

slow eddy bull**** snipped

Nothing to respond to.

On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 18:57:23 -0800 (PST), jon_banquer
wrote:

On Thursday, November 6, 2014 6:46:31 PM UTC-8, Ed Huntress tried to save face and failed:

slow eddy bull**** snipped

Nothing to respond to.

Ha-ha! You are SUCH a phony. Even for a nutcase.

--
Ed Huntress

On Thursday, November 6, 2014 7:18:32 PM UTC-8, slow eddy continued to show why he's worthless:

snip

Nothing to respond to.

On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 19:29:42 -0800 (PST), jon_banquer
wrote:

On Thursday, November 6, 2014 7:18:32 PM UTC-8, slow eddy continued to show why he's worthless:

snip

Nothing to respond to.

....check....mate....check....mate...

Your king is really dead. g

--
Ed Huntress

On Thursday, November 6, 2014 7:45:26 PM UTC-8, slow eddy continued to cause this thread to stay on top:

slow eddy bull**** snipped

Nothing to respond to.

On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 19:56:37 -0800 (PST), jon_banquer
wrote:

On Thursday, November 6, 2014 7:45:26 PM UTC-8, slow eddy continued to cause this thread to stay on top:

slow eddy bull**** snipped

Nothing to respond to.

Just think how hard you make it on yourself, Jon, because you can't
bring yourself to say, "Well, after talking to a Miller technician, I
see that I guessed wrong, that they do build the inverters for the
Millermatic 190 right here in the US, and that they don't have their
inverters made in China."

It wasn't a test of your manhood or your intelligence. It was just a
point of fact that I was clearing up, because Miller is so proud of
the fact that they're US-made.

Instead, you make it a test of your CAD/CAM skillset. d8-)

Good grief. You really make life hard on yourself.

--
Ed Huntress

On Thursday, November 6, 2014 11:26:27 PM UTC-8, slow eddy continued to try and prove he's more than a worthless ad copy writer who lies frequently and failed:

slow eddy lies and bull**** snipped

Nothing to respond to.

On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 4:42:25 PM UTC-8, jon_banquer wrote:
http://youtu.be/Lu-catime2c

Now at almost 40 views.

On 11/7/2014 12:57 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:

From what I see, small contractors in S.E.A. are using Chinese made
welders almost universally. Some of small shipyards making flat top
barges are still using transformers

Using a Cigweld at work. I'm impressed with them, especially for
maintenance work. Easy to carry up a ladder, down into crawl spaces,
etc. Can't speak to reliability. I'm pretty sure getting one repaired
would not be economical.
But I think back to my days at NASA Ames in the heavy fab shop, and the
big old 400 amp Lincoln welders that were probably WWII vintage.
400 amps and a carbon arc gouge will remove a lot of metal in a big
damned hurry. I sorta doubt inverter welders will take over that niche
market anytime soon...

Jon

On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 19:17:27 +1100, Jon Anderson
wrote:

On 11/7/2014 12:57 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:

From what I see, small contractors in S.E.A. are using Chinese made
welders almost universally. Some of small shipyards making flat top
barges are still using transformers

Using a Cigweld at work. I'm impressed with them, especially for
maintenance work. Easy to carry up a ladder, down into crawl spaces,
etc. Can't speak to reliability. I'm pretty sure getting one repaired
would not be economical.
But I think back to my days at NASA Ames in the heavy fab shop, and the
big old 400 amp Lincoln welders that were probably WWII vintage.
400 amps and a carbon arc gouge will remove a lot of metal in a big
damned hurry. I sorta doubt inverter welders will take over that niche
market anytime soon...

Jon

The first "cheap Chinese welder" I saw was a contractor in Singapore
putting up a fence. He had this little box hanging on a strap over his
shoulder that had what looked like welding leads on it. I asked him
what it was and he told me it was a welding machine.

I didn't believe him :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 21:23:17 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 08:57:32 +0700, John B. Slocomb
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 17:14:38 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 13:51:40 -0800 (PST), jon_banquer
wrote:

On Thursday, November 6, 2014 1:48:00 PM UTC-8, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 13:42:58 -0800 (PST), jon_banquer
wrote:

On Thursday, November 6, 2014 1:24:25 PM UTC-8, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 12:44:06 -0800 (PST), jon_banquer
wrote:

On Thursday, November 6, 2014 11:36:36 AM UTC-8, wrote:
jon_banquer wrote:

On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 4:42:25 PM UTC-8, jon_banquer wrote:*
*http://youtu.be/Lu-catime2c*

Now at 10 views.*

Inverter technology will be the norm as transformers get phased out.*

Yeah in general (outside of the welding field which I know very little about), inverters are cheaper and they are known for switching DC from green power to AC.

I'm sure the inverter inside the Millermatic 190 is made in China to their standards.

Miller will have to keep coming up with unique engineering innovations, preferably patented, or it's all over.

Miller's inverters, including for the 190 and all others, are made by
Miller's Semiconductor Department in Appleton, WI.

Semiconductor components, as with all electronics made everywhere, are
sourced from all over the world. But the inverter assemblies are made
right here in the U.S.

You probably picked that up from one of the blog idiots. All Miller
machines made in China are sold in Asia. I'm in contact with them
every week.

--
Ed Huntress

Just checked with Justin in tech at Miller. The 190 is made in the USA from Chinese parts. Miller also has a Chinese division which does make the inverter power supplies in China.

What do you mean, "Chinese parts"? Semiconductor components, of
course, as I said above.

I'll be meeting with some of their executives next Wednesday. We'll
see what "Justin" was talking about.

--
Ed Huntress

You still won't know what you're talking about, slow Eddy. You didn't even know Miller had a separate Chinese division.

Ha-ha! Jon, whenever you make the mistake of bloviating about things
you know nothing about, you get caught. You did it for years with
CAD/CAM, and you got caught constantly. Now, talking about new
developments and big companies in the welding business, you're on my
turf. We publish welding articles every month, and I even have my
Miler/Hobart media contact on my cell phone "favorites" list. 'Same
for Lincoln Electric.


With increased competition from the Chinese it's only a matter of time before Miller's Chinese division makes all the inverters for Miller.

Tell that to ITW. The Chinese "division" makes low-end welders for the
Asian market. They don't make welders for the U.S. Because they're not
in the US market, I don't know much about them, except that Miller has
announced their existence in their press information in the past. You
probably know nothing about them at all, and won't, until you Google
around or call Justin again.

There are a boatload of Chinese welder manufacturers. Few of them have
a toehold in the US, mostly at the hobbyist end of the market. Whether
they make it to the quality commercial end of the market is an open
issue.

From what I see, small contractors in S.E.A. are using Chinese made
welders almost universally. Some of small shipyards making flat top
barges are still using transformers :-)

The U.S. probably will be slow to accept Chinese welding machines,
partly because they tried selling some real junk over here in the past
few years, and hurt their reputation. But that may change.

Regarding barges: Funny you should bring that up. Barge builders are
still using transformers in a lot of cases here, but that's changing.
Here's an article we publshed a few months ago about a big barge
builder in St. Louis who recently switched from transformer welders to
ESAB inverter machines. ESAB had some reliability problems a few years
ago but this barge company, Eagle Fabrication, gave them a hell of a
workout and they've held up great. They apply *miles* of weld bead to
build a big one of these things. This is dual-shield welding:

http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/fabs.../march2014/#/7

Most of the S.E.A. barges, up to say ~180 ft. are probably still built
in small yards here. In Singapore the workers are likely to be
Malaysian who live in Malaysia and commute to work in Singapore, at
lower wages then Singaporeans. Generally speaking, things in Malaysia
are about half the price of the same goods in Singapore so even though
the Malaysian is making less than a Singaporean he is still making
more then he can at home. Everyone is happy and people costs are the
lowest cost the yard has.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 19:17:27 +1100, Jon Anderson
wrote:

On 11/7/2014 12:57 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:

From what I see, small contractors in S.E.A. are using Chinese made
welders almost universally. Some of small shipyards making flat top
barges are still using transformers

Using a Cigweld at work. I'm impressed with them, especially for
maintenance work. Easy to carry up a ladder, down into crawl spaces,
etc. Can't speak to reliability. I'm pretty sure getting one repaired
would not be economical.
But I think back to my days at NASA Ames in the heavy fab shop, and the
big old 400 amp Lincoln welders that were probably WWII vintage.
400 amps and a carbon arc gouge will remove a lot of metal in a big
damned hurry. I sorta doubt inverter welders will take over that niche
market anytime soon...

No, but plasma cutters already have, to a great extent.

--
The more you know, the less you need.
-- Aboriginal Saying

On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 4:42:25 PM UTC-8, jon_banquer wrote:
http://youtu.be/Lu-catime2c

Past 40 views and headed to 50. Like slow eddy claims no one reads what I post :)


BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Yet another slow eddy lie debunked.

On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 4:42:25 PM UTC-8, jon_banquer wrote:
http://youtu.be/Lu-catime2c

Past 50 views and headed to 60.