On Sunday, April 20, 2014 10:24:22 PM UTC-4, jim wrote:
BeamMeUpScotty wrote:





ethanol is a cleaner fuel but has less BTU's per gallon and so it gets

worse mileage than gasoline....



No you are lying again. The energy cost of producing

higher octane blends without ethanol more than offset

the energy content difference. That is why middle east oil

producing nations buy tankers full of ethanol from the US to

blend with their gasoline.







Alcohol was never actually suppose to slow or stop Global Warming, more

likely is that they intend to deplete food storage and create world wide

food crisis to propel them into absolute power that totalitarians will

maintain for 2 generation.



More lies. If corn starch were not used for ethanol production

it would go into the production of animal fat and sugar. Ther

is no shortage of animal fat and sugar in the modern diet.







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If the middle east buys so much ethanol why does this government website show most ethanol going to Canada and none going to the middle east?

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move...eex_mbbl_m.htm

Dan

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If the middle east buys so much ethanol why does this government website show
most ethanol going to Canada and none going to the middle east?


Canada consumes a lot more motor fuel than the United Arab Emirates,
and shipping to Canada is cheaper, but the refinery economics are the
same. It takes more money and energy to produce higher octane fuel than
it does to blend ethanol with cheaper to produce lower octane fuel.
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/Lea...S-NTC_MBBL&f=M





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On 4/24/2014 8:44 AM, jim wrote:
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... It takes more money and energy to produce higher octane fuel than
it does to blend ethanol with cheaper to produce lower octane fuel....

? Ethanol _raises_ octane rating.

http://papers.sae.org/2012-01-1274/

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On Thursday, April 24, 2014 10:50:51 AM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
On 4/24/2014 8:44 AM, jim wrote:

... It takes more money and energy to produce higher octane fuel than

it does to blend ethanol with cheaper to produce lower octane fuel....

? Ethanol _raises_ octane rating.

http://papers.sae.org/2012-01-1274/

Corn ethanol production created tons of jobs and reduced GHG Emissions by 37-40.

-- http://www.ethanolrfa.org/news/entry...-to-fracking-/

dpb wrote:
On 4/24/2014 8:44 AM, jim wrote:
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... It takes more money and energy to produce higher octane fuel than
it does to blend ethanol with cheaper to produce lower octane fuel....

? Ethanol _raises_ octane rating.

Yes ethanol raises octane rating. That is why it is
valuable to oil refiners.
It is much cheaper to add ethanol to low octane fuel
than it is to raise octane level of 20 million gallons a day
by methods such as catalytic cracking that would require adding
expensive refinery infrastructure and consume energy.


http://papers.sae.org/2012-01-1274/

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On 4/24/2014 11:50 AM, jim wrote:
dpb wrote:
On 4/24/2014 8:44 AM, jim wrote:
...

... It takes more money and energy to produce higher octane fuel than
it does to blend ethanol with cheaper to produce lower octane fuel....

? Ethanol _raises_ octane rating.

Yes ethanol raises octane rating. That is why it is
valuable to oil refiners.
It is much cheaper to add ethanol to low octane fuel
than it is to raise octane level of 20 million gallons a day
by methods such as catalytic cracking that would require adding
....

OK, I see on a re-reading I misread your initial intended direction...

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On Thursday, April 24, 2014 9:44:25 AM UTC-4, jim wrote:
wrote:





If the middle east buys so much ethanol why does this government website show

most ethanol going to Canada and none going to the middle east?





Canada consumes a lot more motor fuel than the United Arab Emirates,

and shipping to Canada is cheaper, but the refinery economics are the

same. It takes more money and energy to produce higher octane fuel than

it does to blend ethanol with cheaper to produce lower octane fuel.

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/Lea...S-NTC_MBBL&f=M



I note that you backed off of oil producers around the world to Middle East countries to UAE.

Dan