I recently befriended two guys that started up a machine shop and they
also do stampings on a couple of old presses. Nice guys, and they have
done stuff for me that I was too busy or machines tied up. Their work
was OK and the price was right.

They are pretty hungry and are looking for work to pay the bills. What
kink of jobs would be the easiest for them to find and what kind of jobs
would be the most lucrative? I know, every machinist in the world wants
the answer to those questions.

On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 15:47:09 -0500, Tom Gardner wrote:

I recently befriended two guys that started up a machine shop and they
also do stampings on a couple of old presses. Nice guys, and they have
done stuff for me that I was too busy or machines tied up. Their work
was OK and the price was right.

They are pretty hungry and are looking for work to pay the bills. What
kink of jobs would be the easiest for them to find and what kind of jobs
would be the most lucrative? I know, every machinist in the world wants
the answer to those questions.

I suspect that the answer depends on them, their equipment, and the
nature of the economy around them.

If they've got a couple of old manual machines, then probably just
repairs and prototyping. If they've got NC machines and the know-how to
program them, then some sort of short-run manufacturing.

Beyond that -- I dunno. I think every new business needs to go through a
stage where they're starving and learning.

--
Tim Wescott
Control system and signal processing consulting
www.wescottdesign.com

On 2014-02-15, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:
I recently befriended two guys that started up a machine shop and they
also do stampings on a couple of old presses. Nice guys, and they have
done stuff for me that I was too busy or machines tied up. Their work
was OK and the price was right.

They are pretty hungry and are looking for work to pay the bills. What
kink of jobs would be the easiest for them to find and what kind of jobs
would be the most lucrative? I know, every machinist in the world wants
the answer to those questions.

No one will ever tell you how to make a lot of money with little
capital. People do it, but they do not share the good ideas.

i

On Saturday, February 15, 2014 12:47:09 PM UTC-8, Tom Gardner wrote:
I recently befriended two guys that started up a machine shop and they

also do stampings on a couple of old presses. Nice guys, and they have

done stuff for me that I was too busy or machines tied up. Their work

was OK and the price was right.



They are pretty hungry and are looking for work to pay the bills. What

kink of jobs would be the easiest for them to find and what kind of jobs

would be the most lucrative? I know, every machinist in the world wants

the answer to those questions.

If they are asking you they are already doomed.

On 2/15/2014 4:23 PM, Ignoramus8717 wrote:
On 2014-02-15, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:
I recently befriended two guys that started up a machine shop and they
also do stampings on a couple of old presses. Nice guys, and they have
done stuff for me that I was too busy or machines tied up. Their work
was OK and the price was right.

They are pretty hungry and are looking for work to pay the bills. What
kink of jobs would be the easiest for them to find and what kind of jobs
would be the most lucrative? I know, every machinist in the world wants
the answer to those questions.

No one will ever tell you how to make a lot of money with little
capital. People do it, but they do not share the good ideas.

i


I just want to see them stay in business. They started as a hobby, not
to get rich, i suspect they already are but they won't offer their work
unless in supports itself. But, I'm just guessing. Most people will
gladly share ideas unless it directly competes with them, at least
that's my experience.

On 2/15/2014 4:18 PM, Tim Wescott wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 15:47:09 -0500, Tom Gardner wrote:

I recently befriended two guys that started up a machine shop and they
also do stampings on a couple of old presses. Nice guys, and they have
done stuff for me that I was too busy or machines tied up. Their work
was OK and the price was right.

They are pretty hungry and are looking for work to pay the bills. What
kink of jobs would be the easiest for them to find and what kind of jobs
would be the most lucrative? I know, every machinist in the world wants
the answer to those questions.

I suspect that the answer depends on them, their equipment, and the
nature of the economy around them.

If they've got a couple of old manual machines, then probably just
repairs and prototyping. If they've got NC machines and the know-how to
program them, then some sort of short-run manufacturing.

Beyond that -- I dunno. I think every new business needs to go through a
stage where they're starving and learning.


Very nice machines! But, all manual, they don't want to do long-run
production. They prefer model making and very short runs. They also
design and build dies, fixtures and assemblies.

On Saturday, February 15, 2014 1:43:09 PM UTC-8, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 2/15/2014 4:18 PM, Tim Wescott wrote:

On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 15:47:09 -0500, Tom Gardner wrote:



I recently befriended two guys that started up a machine shop and they

also do stampings on a couple of old presses. Nice guys, and they have

done stuff for me that I was too busy or machines tied up. Their work

was OK and the price was right.



They are pretty hungry and are looking for work to pay the bills. What

kink of jobs would be the easiest for them to find and what kind of jobs

would be the most lucrative? I know, every machinist in the world wants

the answer to those questions.



I suspect that the answer depends on them, their equipment, and the

nature of the economy around them.



If they've got a couple of old manual machines, then probably just

repairs and prototyping. If they've got NC machines and the know-how to

program them, then some sort of short-run manufacturing.



Beyond that -- I dunno. I think every new business needs to go through a

stage where they're starving and learning.





Very nice machines! But, all manual, they don't want to do long-run

production. They prefer model making and very short runs. They also

design and build dies, fixtures and assemblies.



Machine shops can't survive doing long run production any longer. Long run production has mostly moved to China.

This is the kind of machining facility you have no clue about because you're on your knees constantly sucking Mark Wieber's dick:

www.pyramidprecision.com

They do no long run production. What they do is short run production of multiple varied parts on machining centers with linear pallet pools. Lots of it runs lights out. The CADCAM system they use is able to handle this requirement far better than most CADCAM systems.

This is the kind of machining facility that Mark Wieber clique of idiots have no clue about. Mark Wieber says machine shops are all dieing in SoCal. What Mark Wieber really means is shops that use his services are dying and closing.

Other shops that understand the machining business far better than Mark Wieber does are thriving.

When you lie and focus all your time sucking Mark Wieber's cock the world passes you buy. Compare the above facility to your **** hole shop, Ohio Brush:

http://neme-s.org/Oshkosh_2007/Ohio_Brush/DSC02519.JPG

On Saturday, February 15, 2014 4:43:09 PM UTC-5, Tom Gardner wrote:



They are pretty hungry and are looking for work to pay the bills. What

kink of jobs would be the easiest for them to find and what kind of jobs

would be the most lucrative? I know, every machinist in the world wants

the answer to those questions.




I would get a bunch of business cards and spend some time passing them out. Including to places with their own machine shop. I got a job making parts for a fishing rod company. A machine shop did not want to do the work as it involved a lot of hand holding. So they referred the owner to me.

Dan

On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 15:23:52 -0600, Ignoramus8717 wrote:

On 2014-02-15, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:
I recently befriended two guys that started up a machine shop and they
also do stampings on a couple of old presses. Nice guys, and they have
done stuff for me that I was too busy or machines tied up. Their work
was OK and the price was right.

They are pretty hungry and are looking for work to pay the bills. What
kink of jobs would be the easiest for them to find and what kind of
jobs would be the most lucrative? I know, every machinist in the world
wants the answer to those questions.

No one will ever tell you how to make a lot of money with little
capital. People do it, but they do not share the good ideas.

Most people that manage to make a lot of money with little capital are
either very capable in some valuable way, very energetic, willing to do
work that others don't find enjoyable, or some combination thereof.

If it's easy and lucrative, it's been done so much that it's not
lucrative any more.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

On 2/15/2014 5:21 PM, Tim Wescott wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 15:23:52 -0600, Ignoramus8717 wrote:

On 2014-02-15, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:
I recently befriended two guys that started up a machine shop and they
also do stampings on a couple of old presses. Nice guys, and they have
done stuff for me that I was too busy or machines tied up. Their work
was OK and the price was right.

They are pretty hungry and are looking for work to pay the bills. What
kink of jobs would be the easiest for them to find and what kind of
jobs would be the most lucrative? I know, every machinist in the world
wants the answer to those questions.

No one will ever tell you how to make a lot of money with little
capital. People do it, but they do not share the good ideas.

Most people that manage to make a lot of money with little capital are
either very capable in some valuable way, very energetic, willing to do
work that others don't find enjoyable, or some combination thereof.

If it's easy and lucrative, it's been done so much that it's not
lucrative any more.


I think "lucrative" here means it pays the overhead with the least
amount of time and effort, not to get rich. That frees up machine and
people time to do more fascinating things. These guys seem to enjoy the
work that involves being clever.

On Saturday, February 15, 2014 12:47:09 PM UTC-8, Tom Gardner wrote:
I recently befriended two guys that started up a machine shop and they
also do stampings on a couple of old presses. Nice guys, and they have
done stuff for me that I was too busy or machines tied up. Their work
was OK and the price was right.

They are pretty hungry and are looking for work to pay the bills. What
kink of jobs would be the easiest for them to find and what kind of jobs
would be the most lucrative?

Those sorts of jobs are surprisingly numerous. I have talked to many small shop machinists in recent years. Many have shared their own experience in making their shops pay for themselves. One guy had a friend who worked for a railroad. That railroad needed a simple aluminum adapter for a surverying tripod. He had a couple samples. they said "Fine, I'll take 300".. and they kept coming back for more until he was tired of it.
A friend of mine was at a compressor shop and mentioned he had machine tools. The shop owner asked if he could bore cylinders. Seems they were paying several hundred each to ship them out of state since no one Dallas or Fort Worth would do them.
So as suggested above, spread those business cards around. Medical labs are good. Have samples of your best work to show when someone shows interest.

On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 15:47:09 -0500, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

I recently befriended two guys that started up a machine shop and they
also do stampings on a couple of old presses. Nice guys, and they have
done stuff for me that I was too busy or machines tied up. Their work
was OK and the price was right.

They are pretty hungry and are looking for work to pay the bills. What
kink of jobs would be the easiest for them to find and what kind of jobs
would be the most lucrative? I know, every machinist in the world wants
the answer to those questions.


Over here we have several small "job shops". One does mainly stainless
fabrications for yachts - we got three large marinas within a 20 Km
distance. Another makes a profession out of rebuilding outboard
motors, the kind that require welding back together again, and a third
that does more general work - you want your excavator bucket rebushed,
bring it by.

But all the shops aren't just machine shops, they all have welding
equipment, Presses, big hammers, etc. so maybe a better term might be
"I'll fix it shop" :-)

Any demand for that kind of work in your locale?

--
Cheers,

John B.

John B. wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 15:47:09 -0500, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

I recently befriended two guys that started up a machine shop and
they also do stampings on a couple of old presses. Nice guys, and
they have done stuff for me that I was too busy or machines tied up.
Their work was OK and the price was right.

They are pretty hungry and are looking for work to pay the bills.
What kink of jobs would be the easiest for them to find and what
kind of jobs would be the most lucrative? I know, every machinist
in the world wants the answer to those questions.


Over here we have several small "job shops". One does mainly stainless
fabrications for yachts - we got three large marinas within a 20 Km
distance. Another makes a profession out of rebuilding outboard
motors, the kind that require welding back together again, and a third
that does more general work - you want your excavator bucket rebushed,
bring it by.

But all the shops aren't just machine shops, they all have welding
equipment, Presses, big hammers, etc. so maybe a better term might be
"I'll fix it shop" :-)

Any demand for that kind of work in your locale?

My niche up here in Arkansas is just that type of work , on a smaller
scale . No big press yet , but most of the rest , and I get small jobs of
all kinds - from teensy TIG welds to build up a shotgun ejector to boring
3"+ holes in 1.75" plate for a tractor-mounted tree processor .
--
Snag

On 2/16/2014 6:51 AM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 15:47:09 -0500, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

I recently befriended two guys that started up a machine shop and they
also do stampings on a couple of old presses. Nice guys, and they have
done stuff for me that I was too busy or machines tied up. Their work
was OK and the price was right.

They are pretty hungry and are looking for work to pay the bills. What
kink of jobs would be the easiest for them to find and what kind of jobs
would be the most lucrative? I know, every machinist in the world wants
the answer to those questions.


Over here we have several small "job shops". One does mainly stainless
fabrications for yachts - we got three large marinas within a 20 Km
distance. Another makes a profession out of rebuilding outboard
motors, the kind that require welding back together again, and a third
that does more general work - you want your excavator bucket rebushed,
bring it by.

But all the shops aren't just machine shops, they all have welding
equipment, Presses, big hammers, etc. so maybe a better term might be
"I'll fix it shop" :-)

Any demand for that kind of work in your locale?




There is a lot of marine activity in Cleveland. A big pleasure boat area.

Tom Gardner Mars@tacks wrote:
I recently befriended two guys that started up a machine shop and they
also do stampings on a couple of old presses. Nice guys, and they have
done stuff for me that I was too busy or machines tied up. Their work
was OK and the price was right.

They are pretty hungry and are looking for work to pay the bills. What
kink of jobs would be the easiest for them to find and what kind of jobs
would be the most lucrative? I know, every machinist in the world wants
the answer to those questions.

They need to let people know they exist.

Do they have a simple get effective website showcasing what they can do,
and how they're willing to do it?

If not, they might as well close down now.

Cydrome Leader wrote:
Tom Gardner Mars@tacks wrote:
I recently befriended two guys that started up a machine shop and
they also do stampings on a couple of old presses. Nice guys, and
they have done stuff for me that I was too busy or machines tied up.
Their work was OK and the price was right.

They are pretty hungry and are looking for work to pay the bills.
What kink of jobs would be the easiest for them to find and what
kind of jobs would be the most lucrative? I know, every machinist
in the world wants the answer to those questions.

They need to let people know they exist.

Do they have a simple get effective website showcasing what they can
do, and how they're willing to do it?

If not, they might as well close down now.

That's a pretty broad brush yer wieldin' there Cy ... up here in Stone
County it's word-of-mouth that'll either make ya or break ya - some of these
folks don't even know there *IS* an internet . Well , not really , but this
ain't like any metropolitan area , we'uns is jus' a buncha hillbillies .
Seriously , around here it's all about personal recommendations , a fella
from "off" isn't going to make much if he doesn't get integrated into the
local good-ol-boy network . I've been fortunate enough to make a few people
happy , and the work is slowly starting to increase as word gets out that
that guy out in Sunnyland has a shop and knows how to use it .
--
Snag

Terry Coombs wrote:
Cydrome Leader wrote:
Tom Gardner Mars@tacks wrote:
I recently befriended two guys that started up a machine shop and
they also do stampings on a couple of old presses. Nice guys, and
they have done stuff for me that I was too busy or machines tied up.
Their work was OK and the price was right.

They are pretty hungry and are looking for work to pay the bills.
What kink of jobs would be the easiest for them to find and what
kind of jobs would be the most lucrative? I know, every machinist
in the world wants the answer to those questions.

They need to let people know they exist.

Do they have a simple get effective website showcasing what they can
do, and how they're willing to do it?

If not, they might as well close down now.

That's a pretty broad brush yer wieldin' there Cy ... up here in Stone
County it's word-of-mouth that'll either make ya or break ya - some of these
folks don't even know there *IS* an internet . Well , not really , but this
ain't like any metropolitan area , we'uns is jus' a buncha hillbillies .
Seriously , around here it's all about personal recommendations , a fella
from "off" isn't going to make much if he doesn't get integrated into the
local good-ol-boy network . I've been fortunate enough to make a few people
happy , and the work is slowly starting to increase as word gets out that
that guy out in Sunnyland has a shop and knows how to use it .

It didn't sound like the new shop was setup in the middle of nowhere, but
I could be wrong on that. Even if it was, there's got to be what, tens of
dollars floating around the local economy to keep a new place in business?

Even here in a big city I was looking for a local printer to handle a
simple job. It's apparently too hard for them to come up with pricing,
even if you want in the shop.

Guess what- the job is probably going to an out of state internet printer,
since they can provide a quote and the best pricing in the least amount of
time.

Suck for the slow to adapter, backwards businessess who thing it's still
the olden days.

Cydrome Leader wrote:
Terry Coombs wrote:
Cydrome Leader wrote:
Tom Gardner Mars@tacks wrote:
I recently befriended two guys that started up a machine shop and
they also do stampings on a couple of old presses. Nice guys, and
they have done stuff for me that I was too busy or machines tied
up. Their work was OK and the price was right.

They are pretty hungry and are looking for work to pay the bills.
What kink of jobs would be the easiest for them to find and what
kind of jobs would be the most lucrative? I know, every machinist
in the world wants the answer to those questions.

They need to let people know they exist.

Do they have a simple get effective website showcasing what they can
do, and how they're willing to do it?

If not, they might as well close down now.

That's a pretty broad brush yer wieldin' there Cy ... up here in
Stone County it's word-of-mouth that'll either make ya or break ya -
some of these folks don't even know there *IS* an internet . Well ,
not really , but this ain't like any metropolitan area , we'uns is
jus' a buncha hillbillies . Seriously , around here it's all about
personal recommendations , a fella from "off" isn't going to make
much if he doesn't get integrated into the local good-ol-boy network
. I've been fortunate enough to make a few people happy , and the
work is slowly starting to increase as word gets out that that guy
out in Sunnyland has a shop and knows how to use it .

It didn't sound like the new shop was setup in the middle of nowhere,
but I could be wrong on that. Even if it was, there's got to be what,
tens of dollars floating around the local economy to keep a new place
in business?

Even here in a big city I was looking for a local printer to handle a
simple job. It's apparently too hard for them to come up with pricing,
even if you want in the shop.

Guess what- the job is probably going to an out of state internet
printer, since they can provide a quote and the best pricing in the
least amount of time.

Suck for the slow to adapter, backwards businessess who thing it's
still the olden days.

As I said , it all depends on the market . BTW , I print my own cards . And
flyers , etc .
--
Snag

On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 21:16:42 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

My buddy Terry is doing that in LoCal. He started in
electromechanical repair but has steadily increased his work in
automating small businesses. He's buying and rebuilding scrap, having
them buy new and let him modify it for their business, etc. And he's
designing and building his own stuff on a small scale. He doesn't
have a machine shop, but can do a lot on an old Shopsmith. Go figure!

Give Terry my name and phone number.

Gunner

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Really?

"Hurt" aint the word.

For Liberals, the truth is like salt to a slug.
Sunlight to a vampire.
Raid® to a cockroach.
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Bush to a Liberal

The truth doesn't just hurt. It's painful, like a red hot poker shoved
up their ass. Like sliding down a hundred foot razor blade using their
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They HATE the truth."


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On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 07:37:26 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

John B. wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 15:47:09 -0500, Tom Gardner Mars@Tacks wrote:

I recently befriended two guys that started up a machine shop and
they also do stampings on a couple of old presses. Nice guys, and
they have done stuff for me that I was too busy or machines tied up.
Their work was OK and the price was right.

They are pretty hungry and are looking for work to pay the bills.
What kink of jobs would be the easiest for them to find and what
kind of jobs would be the most lucrative? I know, every machinist
in the world wants the answer to those questions.


Over here we have several small "job shops". One does mainly stainless
fabrications for yachts - we got three large marinas within a 20 Km
distance. Another makes a profession out of rebuilding outboard
motors, the kind that require welding back together again, and a third
that does more general work - you want your excavator bucket rebushed,
bring it by.

But all the shops aren't just machine shops, they all have welding
equipment, Presses, big hammers, etc. so maybe a better term might be
"I'll fix it shop" :-)

Any demand for that kind of work in your locale?

My niche up here in Arkansas is just that type of work , on a smaller
scale . No big press yet , but most of the rest , and I get small jobs of
all kinds - from teensy TIG welds to build up a shotgun ejector to boring
3"+ holes in 1.75" plate for a tractor-mounted tree processor .

Funny, you know. It used to be that every little town had a shop like
that and it always seemed like they were busy. Now I'm getting the
idea, at least from this site, that nobody fixes things any more and
"machine shops" are all computer controlled :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 22:20:14 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 21:16:42 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

My buddy Terry is doing that in LoCal. He started in
electromechanical repair but has steadily increased his work in
automating small businesses. He's buying and rebuilding scrap, having
them buy new and let him modify it for their business, etc. And he's
designing and building his own stuff on a small scale. He doesn't
have a machine shop, but can do a lot on an old Shopsmith. Go figure!

Give Terry my name and phone number.

DONE!

--
The most powerful factors in the world are clear
ideas in the minds of energetic men of good will.
-- J. Arthur Thomson