http://www.technologyreview.com/view...mputerization/

Report Suggests Nearly Half of U.S. Jobs Are Vulnerable to
Computerization

Oxford researchers say that 45 percent of Americas occupations will
be automated within the next 20 years.

Rapid advances in technology have long represented a serious potential
threat to many jobs ordinarily performed by people.

A recent report (which is not online, but summarized here) from the
Oxford Martin Schools Programme on the Impacts of Future Technology
attempts to quantify the extent of that threat. It concludes that 45
percent of American jobs are at high risk of being taken by computers
within the next two decades.

The authors believe this takeover will happen in two stages. First,
computers will start replacing people in especially vulnerable fields
like transportation/logistics, production labor, and administrative
support. Jobs in services, sales, and construction may also be lost in
this first stage. Then, the rate of replacement will slow down due to
bottlenecks in harder-to-automate fields such engineering. This
€œtechnological plateau€� will be followed by a second wave of
computerization, dependent upon the development of good artificial
intelligence. This could next put jobs in management, science and
engineering, and the arts at risk.

The authors note that the rate of computerization depends on several
other factors, including regulation of new technology and access to
cheap labor.

These results were calculated with a common statistical modeling
method. More than 700 jobs on O*Net, an online career network, were
considered, as well as the skills and education required for
each. These features were weighted according to how automatable they
were, and according to the engineering obstacles currently preventing
computerization.

€œOur findings thus imply that as technology races ahead, low-skill
workers will reallocate to tasks that are non-susceptible to
computerization€”i.e., tasks that required creative and social
intelligence,€� the authors write. €œFor workers to win the race,
however, they will have to acquire creative and social skills.€�

Ignoramus8750 wrote:

http://www.technologyreview.com/view...mputerization/

Report Suggests Nearly Half of U.S. Jobs Are Vulnerable to
Computerization

The thing that is missed in many of those articles is that many of the
automatable jobs cease to exist when the jobs are not available to human
workers who can then earn an income and be consumers for the products of
the jobs. It doesn't matter how many widgets your automated factory can
produce when there are no buyers for them.

On 2013-09-16, Pete C. wrote:

Ignoramus8750 wrote:

http://www.technologyreview.com/view...mputerization/

Report Suggests Nearly Half of U.S. Jobs Are Vulnerable to
Computerization

The thing that is missed in many of those articles is that many of the
automatable jobs cease to exist when the jobs are not available to human
workers who can then earn an income and be consumers for the products of
the jobs. It doesn't matter how many widgets your automated factory can
produce when there are no buyers for them.

This is exactly right. It is a new equilibrium. The old equilibrium
was, workers worked at factories to make goods that then are sold to
those same workers.

The new equilibrium is, workers are not needed to make goods, which
are no longer made to sell to workers, since the workers have no
money to buy goods.

Exact same thing applies to services.

This is all why I m very worried about the future.

i

"Ignoramus14718" wrote in
message ...

The new equilibrium is, workers are not needed to make goods, which
are no longer made to sell to workers, since the workers have no
money to buy goods.

Exact same thing applies to services.

This is all why I m very worried about the future.

i

The traditional solution to having too many idle people in a slow
economy has been to start a war.

On 9/16/2013 6:39 AM, Pete C. wrote:

Ignoramus8750 wrote:

http://www.technologyreview.com/view...mputerization/

Report Suggests Nearly Half of U.S. Jobs Are Vulnerable to
Computerization

The thing that is missed in many of those articles is that many of the
automatable jobs cease to exist when the jobs are not available to human
workers who can then earn an income and be consumers for the products of
the jobs. It doesn't matter how many widgets your automated factory can
produce when there are no buyers for them.

That's the Lump of Labor fallacy again. Labor displaced from one use,
due to automation, finds some other use. It might take some time, but
it happens.

The Lump of Labor fallacy is that there is only so much work or labor -
a defined "lump" of it - to be done, and that if labor is displaced from
one use, it finds no other use. That's false. That's why it's a fallacy.

Automation makes everything cheaper. It's why even very poor people
have automobiles and big-screen TVs. Don't give us that **** about "no
buyers" for the stuff. There will always be buyers.

Poor people in the US today live many *many* times better than did the
rich of a century ago. That's why all this bull**** about income
inequality goes nowhere. In absolute terms, people even in the bottom
10% are better off than the 1% were a century ago.

On 9/16/2013 9:46 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Ignoramus14718" wrote in
message ...

The new equilibrium is, workers are not needed to make goods, which
are no longer made to sell to workers, since the workers have no
money to buy goods.

Exact same thing applies to services.

This is all why I m very worried about the future.

i

The traditional solution to having too many idle people in a slow
economy has been to start a war.

No, the traditional solution is that new activity leads to new
employment opportunity.

On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 12:46:15 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Ignoramus14718" wrote in
message ...

The new equilibrium is, workers are not needed to make goods, which
are no longer made to sell to workers, since the workers have no
money to buy goods.

Exact same thing applies to services.

This is all why I m very worried about the future.

i

The traditional solution to having too many idle people in a slow
economy has been to start a war.


So if we kill off the Left, it will remove the deadwood and the root
and branch of the welfare tree, remove horrendous regulations from
****y busybodies to enforce, and put the country back on a newer
leaner and better footing.

Got rope?


"The socialist movement takes great pains to circulate frequently new labels for its ideally constructed state.
Each worn-out label is replaced by another which raises hopes of an ultimate solution of the insoluble basic
problem of Socialism, until it becomes obvious that nothing has been changed but the name.
The most recent slogan is "State Capitalism."[Fascism] It is not commonly realized that this covers nothing more
than what used to be called Planned Economy and State Socialism, and that State Capitalism, Planned Economy,
and State Socialism diverge only in non-essentials from the "classic" ideal of egalitarian Socialism. - Ludwig von Mises (1922)

On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 12:22:57 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 12:46:15 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Ignoramus14718" wrote in
message ...

The new equilibrium is, workers are not needed to make goods, which
are no longer made to sell to workers, since the workers have no
money to buy goods.

Exact same thing applies to services.

This is all why I m very worried about the future.

i

The traditional solution to having too many idle people in a slow
economy has been to start a war.


So if we kill off the Left, it will remove the deadwood and the root
and branch of the welfare tree, remove horrendous regulations from
****y busybodies to enforce, and put the country back on a newer
leaner and better footing.

Got rope?


Thailand has had sufficient violent changes in government (18 coups
since the 1932 revolution) to give a reasonable insight into what
changes in the law and regulations occur after an up-rising and the
answer is non, or nearly non. With the exception of a very few laws
that the coup winners instigate to justify their overthrow of the
previous government nothing happens. All the niggling little rules and
regulations remain in force, the police and bureaucratic sections of
the government are still there and the same prissy busybodies that
were enforcing the regulations yesterday are still here today.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 08:39:35 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote:


Ignoramus8750 wrote:

http://www.technologyreview.com/view...mputerization/

Report Suggests Nearly Half of U.S. Jobs Are Vulnerable to
Computerization

The thing that is missed in many of those articles is that many of the
automatable jobs cease to exist when the jobs are not available to human
workers who can then earn an income and be consumers for the products of
the jobs. It doesn't matter how many widgets your automated factory can
produce when there are no buyers for them.

You're thinking way too narrowmindedly, Pete. Y'see, it's like this:
The evil Reps automate all the factories, laying off the entire
country in the process. Then the evil Dems put everyone on welfare
and the masses then have the money to buy the items produced by the
automated factories, all because the evil Dems taxed the evil Rep
factories to death. Oops, wait, that might end it all, huh?

NOW who's gonna pay off CONgress?

--
Try not to become a man of success but
rather try to become a man of value.
--Albert Einstein

On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 10:20:56 -0500, Ignoramus14718
wrote:

On 2013-09-16, Pete C. wrote:

Ignoramus8750 wrote:

http://www.technologyreview.com/view...mputerization/

Report Suggests Nearly Half of U.S. Jobs Are Vulnerable to
Computerization

The thing that is missed in many of those articles is that many of the
automatable jobs cease to exist when the jobs are not available to human
workers who can then earn an income and be consumers for the products of
the jobs. It doesn't matter how many widgets your automated factory can
produce when there are no buyers for them.

This is exactly right. It is a new equilibrium. The old equilibrium
was, workers worked at factories to make goods that then are sold to
those same workers.

The new equilibrium is, workers are not needed to make goods, which
are no longer made to sell to workers, since the workers have no
money to buy goods.

Exact same thing applies to services.

This is all why I m very worried about the future.

I'd start restocking that home shop of yours, Ig.
Damn the Wifey, Full Speed Ahead!

--
Try not to become a man of success but
rather try to become a man of value.
--Albert Einstein

On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 12:22:57 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 12:46:15 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Ignoramus14718" wrote in
message ...

The new equilibrium is, workers are not needed to make goods, which
are no longer made to sell to workers, since the workers have no
money to buy goods.

Exact same thing applies to services.

This is all why I m very worried about the future.

i

The traditional solution to having too many idle people in a slow
economy has been to start a war.


So if we kill off the Left, it will remove the deadwood and the root
and branch of the welfare tree, remove horrendous regulations from
****y busybodies to enforce, and put the country back on a newer
leaner and better footing.

Got rope?

Just stocked up (1k') on paracord last month.

Er, um, it's for bracelets. Yeah, that's the ticket.

--
Try not to become a man of success but
rather try to become a man of value.
--Albert Einstein

On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 22:36:56 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 12:22:57 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 12:46:15 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Ignoramus14718" wrote in
message ...

The new equilibrium is, workers are not needed to make goods, which
are no longer made to sell to workers, since the workers have no
money to buy goods.

Exact same thing applies to services.

This is all why I m very worried about the future.

i

The traditional solution to having too many idle people in a slow
economy has been to start a war.


So if we kill off the Left, it will remove the deadwood and the root
and branch of the welfare tree, remove horrendous regulations from
****y busybodies to enforce, and put the country back on a newer
leaner and better footing.

Got rope?

Just stocked up (1k') on paracord last month.

Er, um, it's for bracelets. Yeah, that's the ticket.

550 cord has the breaking weight of...550 pounds. (allegedly)

So if you tie a slip knot and use it to secure a falling weight...you
have to make sure that the dynamic loading isnt more than 500 lbs.
Which makes the line good for about 50 lbs dropped from 5 feet as best
as I can recall.

So if you use 550 cord to hang a dynamic meat load...lift slowly
rather than drop.

Its been years since Ive calculated rope load ranges so it might be
best to double check.

Or simply use a nice piece of barbed wire. Its harder to use, but is
more than tough enough for lifting and its easy to tie a knot around a
neck.

And reusable, where 550 tends to cut in and become fluid soaked and
quite nasty to reuse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/550_cord

Gunner

"The socialist movement takes great pains to circulate frequently new labels for its ideally constructed state.
Each worn-out label is replaced by another which raises hopes of an ultimate solution of the insoluble basic
problem of Socialism, until it becomes obvious that nothing has been changed but the name.
The most recent slogan is "State Capitalism."[Fascism] It is not commonly realized that this covers nothing more
than what used to be called Planned Economy and State Socialism, and that State Capitalism, Planned Economy,
and State Socialism diverge only in non-essentials from the "classic" ideal of egalitarian Socialism. - Ludwig von Mises (1922)

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 22:36:56 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:
...
Its been years since Ive calculated rope load ranges so it might be
best to double check.

http://www.safeclimbing.org/education/fallforces.htm

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 05:21:25 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 22:36:56 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 12:22:57 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 12:46:15 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Ignoramus14718" wrote in
message ...

The new equilibrium is, workers are not needed to make goods, which
are no longer made to sell to workers, since the workers have no
money to buy goods.

Exact same thing applies to services.

This is all why I m very worried about the future.

i

The traditional solution to having too many idle people in a slow
economy has been to start a war.


So if we kill off the Left, it will remove the deadwood and the root
and branch of the welfare tree, remove horrendous regulations from
****y busybodies to enforce, and put the country back on a newer
leaner and better footing.

Got rope?

Just stocked up (1k') on paracord last month.

Er, um, it's for bracelets. Yeah, that's the ticket.

550 cord has the breaking weight of...550 pounds. (allegedly)

So if you tie a slip knot and use it to secure a falling weight...you
have to make sure that the dynamic loading isnt more than 500 lbs.
Which makes the line good for about 50 lbs dropped from 5 feet as best
as I can recall.

So if you use 550 cord to hang a dynamic meat load...lift slowly
rather than drop.

Who says the load has to be dropped? If one put a 150# lift on the
rope, it might take longer, but the job would be done by morning,
yeah? This would be especially easier with libby lardasses, oui?


Its been years since Ive calculated rope load ranges so it might be
best to double check.

Or simply use a nice piece of barbed wire. Its harder to use, but is
more than tough enough for lifting and its easy to tie a knot around a
neck.

And reusable, where 550 tends to cut in and become fluid soaked and
quite nasty to reuse.

Yeah, barbed wire, piano wire, guitar strings should all work. But 550
is large enough not to require cleaning because it doesn't cut...if
you did it right.

Then again, wouldn't a machete be much more fulfilling? Ar, ar, ar!
Then rinse your wetsuit.

Yeah, those folks in the cull will have themselves a time while we sit
on our porches sippin' Dew and iced tea, mon.

--
Try not to become a man of success but
rather try to become a man of value.
--Albert Einstein

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:49:58 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 22:36:56 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:
...
Its been years since Ive calculated rope load ranges so it might be
best to double check.

http://www.safeclimbing.org/education/fallforces.htm

What's the force calc for collapsing the windpipe for 10 minutes? I
know it might vary with the dia of the rope.

--
Try not to become a man of success but
rather try to become a man of value.
--Albert Einstein

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:49:58 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 22:36:56 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:
...
Its been years since Ive calculated rope load ranges so it might be
best to double check.

http://www.safeclimbing.org/education/fallforces.htm

BTW, that guy is too accident-prone to be climbing. g

If at first you don't succeed, forget skydiving. --anon


--
Try not to become a man of success but
rather try to become a man of value.
--Albert Einstein

On 9/17/2013 5:21 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 22:36:56 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 12:22:57 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 12:46:15 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Ignoramus14718" wrote in
message ...

The new equilibrium is, workers are not needed to make goods, which
are no longer made to sell to workers, since the workers have no
money to buy goods.

Exact same thing applies to services.

This is all why I m very worried about the future.

i

The traditional solution to having too many idle people in a slow
economy has been to start a war.


So if we kill off the Left, it will remove the deadwood and the root
and branch of the welfare tree, remove horrendous regulations from
****y busybodies to enforce, and put the country back on a newer
leaner and better footing.

Got rope?

Just stocked up (1k') on paracord last month.

Er, um, it's for bracelets. Yeah, that's the ticket.

550 cord has the breaking weight of...550 pounds. (allegedly)

So if you tie a slip knot and use it to secure a falling weight...you
have to make sure that the dynamic loading isnt more than 500 lbs.
Which makes the line good for about 50 lbs dropped from 5 feet as best
as I can recall.

So if you use 550 cord to hang a dynamic meat load...lift slowly
rather than drop.

Its been years since Ive calculated rope load ranges so it might be
best to double check.

You've never checked that.

On 9/16/2013 12:22 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 12:46:15 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Ignoramus14718" wrote in
message ...

The new equilibrium is, workers are not needed to make goods, which
are no longer made to sell to workers, since the workers have no
money to buy goods.

Exact same thing applies to services.

This is all why I m very worried about the future.

i

The traditional solution to having too many idle people in a slow
economy has been to start a war.


So if we kill off the Left,

You won't. You couldn't.

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:49:58 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 22:36:56 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:
...
Its been years since Ive calculated rope load ranges so it might be
best to double check.

http://www.safeclimbing.org/education/fallforces.htm


Thanks!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Table_of_Drops

http://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/aberdare.html

Quite a good work on the subject

http://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/hanging2.html#pm


Gunner

"The socialist movement takes great pains to circulate frequently new labels for its ideally constructed state.
Each worn-out label is replaced by another which raises hopes of an ultimate solution of the insoluble basic
problem of Socialism, until it becomes obvious that nothing has been changed but the name.
The most recent slogan is "State Capitalism."[Fascism] It is not commonly realized that this covers nothing more
than what used to be called Planned Economy and State Socialism, and that State Capitalism, Planned Economy,
and State Socialism diverge only in non-essentials from the "classic" ideal of egalitarian Socialism. - Ludwig von Mises (1922)

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 06:42:19 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:49:58 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 22:36:56 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:
...
Its been years since Ive calculated rope load ranges so it might be
best to double check.

http://www.safeclimbing.org/education/fallforces.htm

What's the force calc for collapsing the windpipe for 10 minutes? I
know it might vary with the dia of the rope.

Unless one is doing it for torture..its customary to seperate the
spinal cord

http://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/hanging2.html#pm


"The socialist movement takes great pains to circulate frequently new labels for its ideally constructed state.
Each worn-out label is replaced by another which raises hopes of an ultimate solution of the insoluble basic
problem of Socialism, until it becomes obvious that nothing has been changed but the name.
The most recent slogan is "State Capitalism."[Fascism] It is not commonly realized that this covers nothing more
than what used to be called Planned Economy and State Socialism, and that State Capitalism, Planned Economy,
and State Socialism diverge only in non-essentials from the "classic" ideal of egalitarian Socialism. - Ludwig von Mises (1922)

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 09:09:55 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 06:42:19 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:49:58 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 22:36:56 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:
...
Its been years since Ive calculated rope load ranges so it might be
best to double check.

http://www.safeclimbing.org/education/fallforces.htm

What's the force calc for collapsing the windpipe for 10 minutes? I
know it might vary with the dia of the rope.

Unless one is doing it for torture..its customary to seperate the
spinal cord

http://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/hanging2.html#pm

If the intent is to relieve the individual of its liberality, aren't
all methods the same, with the exception of messiness? soupy grin

--
Try not to become a man of success but
rather try to become a man of value.
--Albert Einstein

On 2013-09-17, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 10:20:56 -0500, Ignoramus14718
wrote:

On 2013-09-16, Pete C. wrote:

Ignoramus8750 wrote:

http://www.technologyreview.com/view...mputerization/

Report Suggests Nearly Half of U.S. Jobs Are Vulnerable to
Computerization

The thing that is missed in many of those articles is that many of the
automatable jobs cease to exist when the jobs are not available to human
workers who can then earn an income and be consumers for the products of
the jobs. It doesn't matter how many widgets your automated factory can
produce when there are no buyers for them.

This is exactly right. It is a new equilibrium. The old equilibrium
was, workers worked at factories to make goods that then are sold to
those same workers.

The new equilibrium is, workers are not needed to make goods, which
are no longer made to sell to workers, since the workers have no
money to buy goods.

Exact same thing applies to services.

This is all why I m very worried about the future.

I'd start restocking that home shop of yours, Ig.
Damn the Wifey, Full Speed Ahead!


This will go on on the scale of decades, the food will go stale.

i

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 22:06:00 -0500, Ignoramus2837
wrote:

On 2013-09-17, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 10:20:56 -0500, Ignoramus14718
wrote:

On 2013-09-16, Pete C. wrote:

Ignoramus8750 wrote:

http://www.technologyreview.com/view...mputerization/

Report Suggests Nearly Half of U.S. Jobs Are Vulnerable to
Computerization

The thing that is missed in many of those articles is that many of the
automatable jobs cease to exist when the jobs are not available to human
workers who can then earn an income and be consumers for the products of
the jobs. It doesn't matter how many widgets your automated factory can
produce when there are no buyers for them.

This is exactly right. It is a new equilibrium. The old equilibrium
was, workers worked at factories to make goods that then are sold to
those same workers.

The new equilibrium is, workers are not needed to make goods, which
are no longer made to sell to workers, since the workers have no
money to buy goods.

Exact same thing applies to services.

This is all why I m very worried about the future.

I'd start restocking that home shop of yours, Ig.
Damn the Wifey, Full Speed Ahead!


This will go on on the scale of decades, the food will go stale.

Suit yourself, Mr. Ostrich.

--
Try not to become a man of success but
rather try to become a man of value.
--Albert Einstein

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 22:06:00 -0500, Ignoramus2837
wrote:

On 2013-09-17, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 10:20:56 -0500, Ignoramus14718
wrote:

On 2013-09-16, Pete C. wrote:

Ignoramus8750 wrote:

http://www.technologyreview.com/view...mputerization/

Report Suggests Nearly Half of U.S. Jobs Are Vulnerable to
Computerization

The thing that is missed in many of those articles is that many of the
automatable jobs cease to exist when the jobs are not available to human
workers who can then earn an income and be consumers for the products of
the jobs. It doesn't matter how many widgets your automated factory can
produce when there are no buyers for them.

This is exactly right. It is a new equilibrium. The old equilibrium
was, workers worked at factories to make goods that then are sold to
those same workers.

The new equilibrium is, workers are not needed to make goods, which
are no longer made to sell to workers, since the workers have no
money to buy goods.

Exact same thing applies to services.

This is all why I m very worried about the future.

I'd start restocking that home shop of yours, Ig.
Damn the Wifey, Full Speed Ahead!


This will go on on the scale of decades, the food will go stale.

i
Actually..not if its the proper foods and its been packed properly.

I have #10 cans filled at a Mormon packaging place that were filled in
the late 1990s that we eat regularly. They were filled and then
packed with an inert gas before sealing.

I was given about 900 lbs of such food stuffs about a year ago by one
of my clients, a Mormon who owns a machine shop. I am feeding 9
people..and its come in very handy.

Gunner

"The socialist movement takes great pains to circulate frequently new labels for its ideally constructed state.
Each worn-out label is replaced by another which raises hopes of an ultimate solution of the insoluble basic
problem of Socialism, until it becomes obvious that nothing has been changed but the name.
The most recent slogan is "State Capitalism."[Fascism] It is not commonly realized that this covers nothing more
than what used to be called Planned Economy and State Socialism, and that State Capitalism, Planned Economy,
and State Socialism diverge only in non-essentials from the "classic" ideal of egalitarian Socialism. - Ludwig von Mises (1922)

On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 06:27:25 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

snip
This will go on on the scale of decades, the food will go stale.

Suit yourself, Mr. Ostrich.
snip

-- coming soon to your community, or even your household...

While both long-term multi generational and abrupt processes
certainly occur, history seems to indicate self-generated
changes in the human environment are rapidly increasing in
both frequency and rapidity. The shift from hunter-gatherer
to farming took thousands of years, and there are still
small hunter-gatherer bands, excluding the urban "dumpster
divers." The digital social media change did not require
even a decade. Therefore it seems an abrupt "tipping point"
change is more likely than a gradual socio-economic
mutation.

The key question seems to be that if in our current
socio-economic environment, almost everything from social
status to material possessions depends on "work," what
happens when it "disappears," and how large of a fraction of
the population which is unemployed/dispossed can be
tolerated before gross instability occurs? Detroit,
Chicago, LA, and Philadelphia are the canaries in the coal
mine.

Although somewhat dated, you may find these books of
interest, as these contain actual data and not just
opinions/ polemics:

http://www.amazon.com/End-Work-Decli...end+of+work%22

http://www.amazon.com/When-Work-Disa...+disappears%22

and many new publications

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss...ymen t+issues

"F. George McDuffee" wrote in
message ...

The key question seems to be that if in our current
socio-economic environment, almost everything from social
status to material possessions depends on "work," what
happens when it "disappears," and how large of a fraction of
the population which is unemployed/dispossed can be
tolerated before gross instability occurs? Detroit,
Chicago, LA, and Philadelphia are the canaries in the coal
mine.

Governments can manipulate the demand that creates work, not only by
increasing bureaucracy, infrastructure or defense spending but also by
nationalizing farmland and creating collective farms, with incentives
to move there from cities. This doesn't have to be as brutal as the
Communist implementations we
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_P...Administration
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_collapse

On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 08:03:07 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 22:06:00 -0500, Ignoramus2837
wrote:

On 2013-09-17, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 10:20:56 -0500, Ignoramus14718
wrote:

On 2013-09-16, Pete C. wrote:

Ignoramus8750 wrote:

http://www.technologyreview.com/view...mputerization/

Report Suggests Nearly Half of U.S. Jobs Are Vulnerable to
Computerization

The thing that is missed in many of those articles is that many of the
automatable jobs cease to exist when the jobs are not available to human
workers who can then earn an income and be consumers for the products of
the jobs. It doesn't matter how many widgets your automated factory can
produce when there are no buyers for them.

This is exactly right. It is a new equilibrium. The old equilibrium
was, workers worked at factories to make goods that then are sold to
those same workers.

The new equilibrium is, workers are not needed to make goods, which
are no longer made to sell to workers, since the workers have no
money to buy goods.

Exact same thing applies to services.

This is all why I m very worried about the future.

I'd start restocking that home shop of yours, Ig.
Damn the Wifey, Full Speed Ahead!


This will go on on the scale of decades, the food will go stale.

i
Actually..not if its the proper foods and its been packed properly.

I received my bucket of hard white wheat yesterday and was greeted
with an expiration date of 4 Sept 2043 sticker on the square bucket.


I have #10 cans filled at a Mormon packaging place that were filled in
the late 1990s that we eat regularly. They were filled and then
packed with an inert gas before sealing.

I was given about 900 lbs of such food stuffs about a year ago by one
of my clients, a Mormon who owns a machine shop. I am feeding 9
people..and its come in very handy.

Cool! One of the survival blogs I read (did I just admit to reading a
damned blog? sigh) described the food industry as having accepted a
standardized 2-year expiration date on all canned foods, though most
things remain good for far, far longer. I'm no longer dicey about
eating old-date foods, having read about so many studies showing that
they stay wholesome for decades.

Kept nice and cold, my milk lasts up to 10 days after the expiration
date.

Ig's gonna **** when he can't find food 3 days after a mild power
outage and/or transportation strike in Chitown area, but that's his
choice. shrug

--
Try not to become a man of success but
rather try to become a man of value.
--Albert Einstein