Stormin Mormon wrote:

Sure it was Goodyear? I've seen spoof brands, Somy or Panascenic. Mighta
been Goodwear, instead of Goodyear.

The last time I looked it said Goodyear and USA. They also have O/A twin
hose that is Goodyear USA as well. The Goodyear stuff HF sells is not at
China prices, but it is a couple bucks less than from most other
sources. In case folks haven't noticed, a lot of stuff that HF sells is
*not* from China.

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:56:03 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote:


Stormin Mormon wrote:

Sure it was Goodyear? I've seen spoof brands, Somy or Panascenic. Mighta
been Goodwear, instead of Goodyear.

The last time I looked it said Goodyear and USA. They also have O/A twin
hose that is Goodyear USA as well. The Goodyear stuff HF sells is not at
China prices, but it is a couple bucks less than from most other
sources. In case folks haven't noticed, a lot of stuff that HF sells is
*not* from China.

I've seen a couple of Taiwanese products thrown in, but the rest has
been all China. What have you seen, Pete? I know that Japan is
outsourcing to China and China is outsourcing things to Thailand and
Vietnam, but I haven't seen any of those sourcings from HF...and I'm
there a whole lot.

--
While we have the gift of life, it seems to me that only tragedy
is to allow part of us to die - whether it is our spirit, our
creativity, or our glorious uniqueness.
-- Gilda Radner

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:10:48 -0800, the renowned Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:56:03 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote:


Stormin Mormon wrote:

Sure it was Goodyear? I've seen spoof brands, Somy or Panascenic. Mighta
been Goodwear, instead of Goodyear.

The last time I looked it said Goodyear and USA. They also have O/A twin
hose that is Goodyear USA as well. The Goodyear stuff HF sells is not at
China prices, but it is a couple bucks less than from most other
sources. In case folks haven't noticed, a lot of stuff that HF sells is
*not* from China.

I've seen a couple of Taiwanese products thrown in, but the rest has
been all China. What have you seen, Pete? I know that Japan is
outsourcing to China and China is outsourcing things to Thailand and
Vietnam, but I haven't seen any of those sourcings from HF...and I'm
there a whole lot.

I've seen stuff from India, definitely, and IIRC Pakistan (picks,
tweezers).


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

Larry Jaques wrote:

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:56:03 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote:


Stormin Mormon wrote:

Sure it was Goodyear? I've seen spoof brands, Somy or Panascenic. Mighta
been Goodwear, instead of Goodyear.

The last time I looked it said Goodyear and USA. They also have O/A twin
hose that is Goodyear USA as well. The Goodyear stuff HF sells is not at
China prices, but it is a couple bucks less than from most other
sources. In case folks haven't noticed, a lot of stuff that HF sells is
*not* from China.

I've seen a couple of Taiwanese products thrown in, but the rest has
been all China. What have you seen, Pete? I know that Japan is
outsourcing to China and China is outsourcing things to Thailand and
Vietnam, but I haven't seen any of those sourcings from HF...and I'm
there a whole lot.

India, Pakistan, heard they had some anvils from Russia a while back,
etc.

Larry Jaques wrote:

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:56:03 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote:


Stormin Mormon wrote:

Sure it was Goodyear? I've seen spoof brands, Somy or Panascenic. Mighta
been Goodwear, instead of Goodyear.

The last time I looked it said Goodyear and USA. They also have O/A twin
hose that is Goodyear USA as well. The Goodyear stuff HF sells is not at
China prices, but it is a couple bucks less than from most other
sources. In case folks haven't noticed, a lot of stuff that HF sells is
*not* from China.

I've seen a couple of Taiwanese products thrown in, but the rest has
been all China. What have you seen, Pete? I know that Japan is
outsourcing to China and China is outsourcing things to Thailand and
Vietnam, but I haven't seen any of those sourcings from HF...and I'm
there a whole lot.


They had some clear hard casters made in Vietnam.

In article ,
"Pete C." wrote:

Stormin Mormon wrote:

Sure it was Goodyear? I've seen spoof brands, Somy or Panascenic. Mighta
been Goodwear, instead of Goodyear.

The last time I looked it said Goodyear and USA. They also have O/A twin
hose that is Goodyear USA as well. The Goodyear stuff HF sells is not at
China prices, but it is a couple bucks less than from most other
sources. In case folks haven't noticed, a lot of stuff that HF sells is
*not* from China.

The spot welder I bought a while ago is made in Armenia.

Joe Gwinn

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:40:40 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote:


Larry Jaques wrote:

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:56:03 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote:


Stormin Mormon wrote:

Sure it was Goodyear? I've seen spoof brands, Somy or Panascenic. Mighta
been Goodwear, instead of Goodyear.

The last time I looked it said Goodyear and USA. They also have O/A twin
hose that is Goodyear USA as well. The Goodyear stuff HF sells is not at
China prices, but it is a couple bucks less than from most other
sources. In case folks haven't noticed, a lot of stuff that HF sells is
*not* from China.

I've seen a couple of Taiwanese products thrown in, but the rest has
been all China. What have you seen, Pete? I know that Japan is
outsourcing to China and China is outsourcing things to Thailand and
Vietnam, but I haven't seen any of those sourcings from HF...and I'm
there a whole lot.

India, Pakistan, heard they had some anvils from Russia a while back,
etc.

Oh, yeah, the Russky anvils. I forgot about those. I have a really
cheaparse Indian plane from there. I use it on jobsites when there
might be nails. (I won't ruin a good iron on hazards like that.) And,
come to think of it, some of the stainless toolsets are Paki.
Fine-point tweezers, test probe/picks, mini-spatulas, etc.

I recently got a student med kit off eBay (Paki) for about $12
delivered. Scalpel holder and blade, 2 pairs of bandage scissors, 4
different types of hemostats and forceps, and a case. 12 sutures were
$11.49. I'm ready to do my own surgery on me, in a pinch. g Numb
it up and fix torn arms and legs during times of strife (which don't
seem far off at this juncture.)

--
While we have the gift of life, it seems to me that only tragedy
is to allow part of us to die - whether it is our spirit, our
creativity, or our glorious uniqueness.
-- Gilda Radner

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:53:45 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:40:40 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote:


Larry Jaques wrote:

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:56:03 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote:


Stormin Mormon wrote:

Sure it was Goodyear? I've seen spoof brands, Somy or Panascenic. Mighta
been Goodwear, instead of Goodyear.

The last time I looked it said Goodyear and USA. They also have O/A twin
hose that is Goodyear USA as well. The Goodyear stuff HF sells is not at
China prices, but it is a couple bucks less than from most other
sources. In case folks haven't noticed, a lot of stuff that HF sells is
*not* from China.

I've seen a couple of Taiwanese products thrown in, but the rest has
been all China. What have you seen, Pete? I know that Japan is
outsourcing to China and China is outsourcing things to Thailand and
Vietnam, but I haven't seen any of those sourcings from HF...and I'm
there a whole lot.

India, Pakistan, heard they had some anvils from Russia a while back,
etc.

Oh, yeah, the Russky anvils. I forgot about those. I have a really
cheaparse Indian plane from there. I use it on jobsites when there
might be nails. (I won't ruin a good iron on hazards like that.) And,
come to think of it, some of the stainless toolsets are Paki.
Fine-point tweezers, test probe/picks, mini-spatulas, etc.

I recently got a student med kit off eBay (Paki) for about $12
delivered. Scalpel holder and blade, 2 pairs of bandage scissors, 4
different types of hemostats and forceps, and a case. 12 sutures were
$11.49. I'm ready to do my own surgery on me, in a pinch. g Numb
it up and fix torn arms and legs during times of strife (which don't
seem far off at this juncture.)


Ask an EMT or doctor for some 4-0 precut sutures and needles. They
come nicely sterile..Im not terribly happy about the packaging of the
sutures in the import medikits. I have several and have used them to
stitch up 3 dogs and a neighbor so far and I soaked the sutures in
benadine before use.

Works just fine

Gunner

"The national budget must be balanced. The public debt must be
reduced; the arrogance of the authorities must be moderated and
controlled. Payments to foreign governments must be reduced,
if the nation doesn't want to go bankrupt. People must again
learn to work, instead of living on public assistance."

(Marcus Tullius Cicero, 55 B.C.)

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 00:19:18 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:53:45 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

I recently got a student med kit off eBay (Paki) for about $12
delivered. Scalpel holder and blade, 2 pairs of bandage scissors, 4
different types of hemostats and forceps, and a case. 12 sutures were
$11.49. I'm ready to do my own surgery on me, in a pinch. g Numb
it up and fix torn arms and legs during times of strife (which don't
seem far off at this juncture.)


Ask an EMT or doctor for some 4-0 precut sutures and needles. They

http://tinyurl.com/ajvxsqr (different vendor, same price and item)
I bought the sterile, individually packed box of 12 already.

Where am _I_ going to see a doctor or EMT? I live in the sticks, too.
Besides, I stay as far away from those types as I can, always. It's
safer that way, knowwhatImean,Vern?


come nicely sterile..Im not terribly happy about the packaging of the
sutures in the import medikits. I have several and have used them to
stitch up 3 dogs and a neighbor so far and I soaked the sutures in

These are made in Ig's back yard, Metawa, IL. The Paki med kit will
certainly be boiled before use. I used to be in the shipping and
receiving inspection section of SouthCom, Int'l. (not the gov't) back
in the '70s. We received our manpack radios in boxes packed with
floor-sweepings, and some of the bugs which made it through quarantine
were amazing. Spiders and crawlies from Pakistan are quite different
from those here. Scary stuff, mon.


benadine before use.

Betadine mixed with grenadine? Interesting.


Works just fine

Ayup. I stocked up Betadine, too.

--
While we have the gift of life, it seems to me that only tragedy
is to allow part of us to die - whether it is our spirit, our
creativity, or our glorious uniqueness.
-- Gilda Radner

On 11/12/2012 03:31 PM, Spehro Pefhany wrote:

I've seen stuff from India, definitely, and IIRC Pakistan (picks,
tweezers).

I know all of the casters are made in India. Pakistan has for years
been a source of tweezers/grabbers/hemostat type "surgical" tools, some
of them rather well made.

I don't know what they use in the OR, though.

Jon

Have you looked at HF for sutures?

Since HF is the subject of this thread.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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..

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
I recently got a student med kit off eBay (Paki) for about $12
delivered. Scalpel holder and blade, 2 pairs of bandage scissors, 4
different types of hemostats and forceps, and a case. 12 sutures were
$11.49. I'm ready to do my own surgery on me, in a pinch. g Numb
it up and fix torn arms and legs during times of strife (which don't
seem far off at this juncture.)


Ask an EMT or doctor for some 4-0 precut sutures and needles. They

http://tinyurl.com/ajvxsqr (different vendor, same price and item)
I bought the sterile, individually packed box of 12 already.

Where am _I_ going to see a doctor or EMT? I live in the sticks, too.
Besides, I stay as far away from those types as I can, always. It's
safer that way, knowwhatImean,Vern?

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
...
"The national budget must be balanced. The public debt must be
reduced; the arrogance of the authorities must be moderated and
controlled. Payments to foreign governments must be reduced,
if the nation doesn't want to go bankrupt. People must again
learn to work, instead of living on public assistance."

(Marcus Tullius Cicero, 55 B.C.)

Instead their Republic descended into civil war followed by
dictatorship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus

But, did they have Harbor Freight? Or spoofs?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
...
"Gunner" wrote in message
...
...
"The national budget must be balanced. The public debt must be
reduced; the arrogance of the authorities must be moderated and
controlled. Payments to foreign governments must be reduced,
if the nation doesn't want to go bankrupt. People must again
learn to work, instead of living on public assistance."

(Marcus Tullius Cicero, 55 B.C.)

Instead their Republic descended into civil war followed by
dictatorship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:14:04 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Gunner" wrote in message
.. .
...
"The national budget must be balanced. The public debt must be
reduced; the arrogance of the authorities must be moderated and
controlled. Payments to foreign governments must be reduced,
if the nation doesn't want to go bankrupt. People must again
learn to work, instead of living on public assistance."

(Marcus Tullius Cicero, 55 B.C.)

Instead their Republic descended into civil war followed by
dictatorship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus

To which the crowd replied "Got AMMO?"

--
While we have the gift of life, it seems to me that only tragedy
is to allow part of us to die - whether it is our spirit, our
creativity, or our glorious uniqueness.
-- Gilda Radner

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
But, did they have Harbor Freight? Or spoofs?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
...
"Gunner" wrote in message
...
...
"The national budget must be balanced. The public debt must be
reduced; the arrogance of the authorities must be moderated and
controlled. Payments to foreign governments must be reduced,
if the nation doesn't want to go bankrupt. People must again
learn to work, instead of living on public assistance."

(Marcus Tullius Cicero, 55 B.C.)

Instead their Republic descended into civil war followed by
dictatorship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus


Rubbish that floats to the top is called "Flotsam" (jetsam sinks).

Don't litter.

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:14:04 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Gunner" wrote in message
. ..
...
"The national budget must be balanced. The public debt must be
reduced; the arrogance of the authorities must be moderated and
controlled. Payments to foreign governments must be reduced,
if the nation doesn't want to go bankrupt. People must again
learn to work, instead of living on public assistance."

(Marcus Tullius Cicero, 55 B.C.)

Instead their Republic descended into civil war followed by
dictatorship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus

To which the crowd replied "Got AMMO?"


Nah, back then civilians had no effective way to resist bands of large
men with swords, either soldiers or bandits.

The crowds were easily satisfied with subsidized Bread and Circuses,
the rich and powerful by luxury imports such as silk from China.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road
"The Roman Senate issued, in vain, several edicts to prohibit the
wearing of silk, on economic and moral grounds: the importation of
Chinese silk caused a huge outflow of gold, and silk clothes were
considered to be decadent and immoral"

On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:01:26 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:


"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:14:04 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
...
"The national budget must be balanced. The public debt must be
reduced; the arrogance of the authorities must be moderated and
controlled. Payments to foreign governments must be reduced,
if the nation doesn't want to go bankrupt. People must again
learn to work, instead of living on public assistance."

(Marcus Tullius Cicero, 55 B.C.)

Instead their Republic descended into civil war followed by
dictatorship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus

To which the crowd replied "Got AMMO?"


Nah, back then civilians had no effective way to resist bands of large
men with swords, either soldiers or bandits.

I meant the new crowd, the one reading about Cicero.


The crowds were easily satisfied with subsidized Bread and Circuses,
the rich and powerful by luxury imports such as silk from China.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road
"The Roman Senate issued, in vain, several edicts to prohibit the
wearing of silk, on economic and moral grounds: the importation of
Chinese silk caused a huge outflow of gold, and silk clothes were
considered to be decadent and immoral"

As if immorality ever bothered a politician of any age...

--
While we have the gift of life, it seems to me that only tragedy
is to allow part of us to die - whether it is our spirit, our
creativity, or our glorious uniqueness.
-- Gilda Radner

On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:01:26 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:


"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:14:04 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
...
"The national budget must be balanced. The public debt must be
reduced; the arrogance of the authorities must be moderated and
controlled. Payments to foreign governments must be reduced,
if the nation doesn't want to go bankrupt. People must again
learn to work, instead of living on public assistance."

(Marcus Tullius Cicero, 55 B.C.)

Instead their Republic descended into civil war followed by
dictatorship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus

To which the crowd replied "Got AMMO?"


Nah, back then civilians had no effective way to resist bands of large
men with swords, either soldiers or bandits.

The crowds were easily satisfied with subsidized Bread and Circuses,
the rich and powerful by luxury imports such as silk from China.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road
"The Roman Senate issued, in vain, several edicts to prohibit the
wearing of silk, on economic and moral grounds: the importation of
Chinese silk caused a huge outflow of gold, and silk clothes were
considered to be decadent and immoral"


Sumptuary laws were hardly unique to Ancient Rome. This type of ruling
has actually been quite common throughout history.

The Greeks had one in 700 BC; the Romans had a series of laws
specifying what was legal wear and actions; the Chinese; the
Japanese; there were Islamic dress regulations concerning both members
of the faith and non-believers; Medieval and Renaissance Europe had
various regulation regarding clothing for both Christians and
Heretics; France in the 17th century and even America - In the
Massachusetts Bay Colony, only people with a personal fortune of at
least two hundred pounds could wear lace, silver or gold thread or
buttons, cutwork, embroidery, hatbands, belts, ruffles, capes, and
other articles.

--
Cheers,
John B.

"John B." wrote in message
...
On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:01:26 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:


"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:14:04 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Gunner" wrote in message
m...
...
"The national budget must be balanced. The public debt must be
reduced; the arrogance of the authorities must be moderated and
controlled. Payments to foreign governments must be reduced,
if the nation doesn't want to go bankrupt. People must again
learn to work, instead of living on public assistance."

(Marcus Tullius Cicero, 55 B.C.)

Instead their Republic descended into civil war followed by
dictatorship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus

To which the crowd replied "Got AMMO?"


Nah, back then civilians had no effective way to resist bands of
large
men with swords, either soldiers or bandits.

The crowds were easily satisfied with subsidized Bread and Circuses,
the rich and powerful by luxury imports such as silk from China.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road
"The Roman Senate issued, in vain, several edicts to prohibit the
wearing of silk, on economic and moral grounds: the importation of
Chinese silk caused a huge outflow of gold, and silk clothes were
considered to be decadent and immoral"


Sumptuary laws were hardly unique to Ancient Rome. This type of
ruling
has actually been quite common throughout history.

John B.

The Romans objected to silk for the same reason we ban tight,
revealing clothes in schools.

On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 07:23:02 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:


"John B." wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:01:26 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:


"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
news On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:14:04 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Gunner" wrote in message
om...
...
"The national budget must be balanced. The public debt must be
reduced; the arrogance of the authorities must be moderated and
controlled. Payments to foreign governments must be reduced,
if the nation doesn't want to go bankrupt. People must again
learn to work, instead of living on public assistance."

(Marcus Tullius Cicero, 55 B.C.)

Instead their Republic descended into civil war followed by
dictatorship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus

To which the crowd replied "Got AMMO?"


Nah, back then civilians had no effective way to resist bands of
large
men with swords, either soldiers or bandits.

The crowds were easily satisfied with subsidized Bread and Circuses,
the rich and powerful by luxury imports such as silk from China.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road
"The Roman Senate issued, in vain, several edicts to prohibit the
wearing of silk, on economic and moral grounds: the importation of
Chinese silk caused a huge outflow of gold, and silk clothes were
considered to be decadent and immoral"


Sumptuary laws were hardly unique to Ancient Rome. This type of
ruling
has actually been quite common throughout history.

John B.

The Romans objected to silk for the same reason we ban tight,
revealing clothes in schools.

The first Roman sumptuary law was the Lex Oppia established in 215 BC
and restricted a woman's wealth and also her display of wealth.

Specifically, it forbade any woman to possess more than half an ounce
of gold, to wear a multi-colored garment (particularly those trimmed
in purple), or to ride in an animal-drawn vehicle in the city or any
town or within a mile thereof, except in the case of public religious
festivals.

--
Cheers,
John B.