I think you and I can make a case, that the present
Democrat party is not on the side of God.

Looking at thier policies, how they treat people, and
who they nominate to office.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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"RogerN" wrote in message
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Those who go against God's word are of their father "the devil". God says
homosexuality is an abomination, according to the center for disease control
reports that 52% of new AIDS cases happen to 2% of the population that are
men that have sex with men. So on one side we have scientific evidence that
agrees with the word of God, on the other side we have political correctness
and sexual immorality supported by the Democratic party.

God is called the Heavenly Father, a father wants what is best for his
children even if the children don't want to obey, for example, "Don't play
in the street". A friend will tell a person not to listen to their parent
and tell them it's OK to play in the street. The Father, not the friend,
has what is in the best interest of the child. The child may side with the
friend and disobey the father because the child wants to play in the street.
The Democratic party is like the friend that says to do what you want even
if it's not in your best interest. The politician doesn't want you to have
what's best for you, they just want your vote, after that they don't care if
you get ran over.

RogerN

"Michael A. Terrell" on Sun, 11 Nov 2012
00:35:09 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

pyotr filipivich wrote:

Great, now you have a collection of soft metal of little
applicable use. OTOH, "look - shiny stuff!"

Sigh - in a crisis, start with the "top" - will they take credit
cards? Or check, or greenbacks, or "cold cash (read that as gold or
silver coins), gold jewelry, "trade goods"? And in that order.

"Malevil" 1972 - set in France, Protagonist owns a castle from the
Hundred years war, hence the title. WW3 fries France. He and friends
survive, more by luck than anything else. Later, they contact
survivors in a nearby village, and their offer to trade food for the
two mares is accepted. Bad move - even in France, you want to be
careful when dealing with Horse Traders. Because Monsieur Emanuel
Comte knows that he will now have a monopoly on horse production in
the "valley".

But while he is saddling up the mares, one of the minions of the
local 'warlord' shakes Emanuel down - and Emanuel "buys" him off with
a gold ring. Because he, Emanuel knows, it will be a long time till
this part of France is back on the gold standard, or any currency.
Horses, wheat, spare parts, "knowledge" (trade skills) are going to be
the medium of trade for the duration.
That's about how I see it. The only things worth trading for in that
situation is something you NEED to ensure your survival.

Way back in the early 1800, it was discovered that the Natives
along the Puget Sound were quite eager to get their hands on iron - in
any form. So a consortium loaded a ship with all the scrap iron in
Boston they could stuff in a ship, and shipped it around the horn to
what is now "Seattle". And traded all that scrap for fur pelts.
Both sides got rid of "useless stuff" in exchange for "really
valuable" stuff. Ripped them off badly.

If they will take a lot of useless "stuff" in exchange for useful
stuff, who am I to complain? Example, the Indians who "sold"
Manhattan to the Dutch in exchange for "$24 in junk jewelry" -
actually were selling their transit rights - the island wasn't theirs
to sell. Yep, the Indians ripped off the white men.

--
pyotr
Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a lightbulb.

pyotr filipivich wrote:

Way back in the early 1800, it was discovered that the Natives
along the Puget Sound were quite eager to get their hands on iron - in
any form. So a consortium loaded a ship with all the scrap iron in
Boston they could stuff in a ship, and shipped it around the horn to
what is now "Seattle". And traded all that scrap for fur pelts.
Both sides got rid of "useless stuff" in exchange for "really
valuable" stuff. Ripped them off badly.

If they will take a lot of useless "stuff" in exchange for useful
stuff, who am I to complain? Example, the Indians who "sold"
Manhattan to the Dutch in exchange for "$24 in junk jewelry" -
actually were selling their transit rights - the island wasn't theirs
to sell. Yep, the Indians ripped off the white men.


Well, it was already a bad neighborhood, with no electricity.

"Michael A. Terrell" on Mon, 12 Nov 2012
18:44:30 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

pyotr filipivich wrote:

Way back in the early 1800, it was discovered that the Natives
along the Puget Sound were quite eager to get their hands on iron - in
any form. So a consortium loaded a ship with all the scrap iron in
Boston they could stuff in a ship, and shipped it around the horn to
what is now "Seattle". And traded all that scrap for fur pelts.
Both sides got rid of "useless stuff" in exchange for "really
valuable" stuff. Ripped them off badly.

If they will take a lot of useless "stuff" in exchange for useful
stuff, who am I to complain? Example, the Indians who "sold"
Manhattan to the Dutch in exchange for "$24 in junk jewelry" -
actually were selling their transit rights - the island wasn't theirs
to sell. Yep, the Indians ripped off the white men.

Well, it was already a bad neighborhood, with no electricity.

Yes, but that wasn't the Indian's fault...
--
pyotr
Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a lightbulb.

pyotr filipivich wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" on Mon, 12 Nov 2012
18:44:30 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

pyotr filipivich wrote:

Way back in the early 1800, it was discovered that the Natives
along the Puget Sound were quite eager to get their hands on iron - in
any form. So a consortium loaded a ship with all the scrap iron in
Boston they could stuff in a ship, and shipped it around the horn to
what is now "Seattle". And traded all that scrap for fur pelts.
Both sides got rid of "useless stuff" in exchange for "really
valuable" stuff. Ripped them off badly.

If they will take a lot of useless "stuff" in exchange for useful
stuff, who am I to complain? Example, the Indians who "sold"
Manhattan to the Dutch in exchange for "$24 in junk jewelry" -
actually were selling their transit rights - the island wasn't theirs
to sell. Yep, the Indians ripped off the white men.

Well, it was already a bad neighborhood, with no electricity.

Yes, but that wasn't the Indian's fault...


Well, they did try to pay their electric bill with reject pelts...

"Michael A. Terrell" on Thu, 08 Nov 2012
09:14:54 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

"John B." wrote:

pyotr filipivich wrote:

Do "Consultants" make their own office furniture, pencils,
projectors and brochures?

Nope, if you are doing your job right the client supplies the office,
desk, chair, pencils, and other necessary services.

That depends on the indusrty where you do the consulting.

So his consultants live on the streets until they get a gig?

The point of the observation was that even the "service"
industries have a "material component" without with they cannot
provide their services.
Or would he hire a cleaning service that expected him to provide
the materials they will use to clean his establishment?
--
pyotr
Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a lightbulb.

pyotr filipivich wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" on Thu, 08 Nov 2012
09:14:54 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

"John B." wrote:

pyotr filipivich wrote:

Do "Consultants" make their own office furniture, pencils,
projectors and brochures?

Nope, if you are doing your job right the client supplies the office,
desk, chair, pencils, and other necessary services.

That depends on the indusrty where you do the consulting.

So his consultants live on the streets until they get a gig?

The point of the observation was that even the "service"
industries have a "material component" without with they cannot
provide their services.
Or would he hire a cleaning service that expected him to provide
the materials they will use to clean his establishment?


Some industries do supply the bags & cleaners, but it is calculated
into the cost of the service.

"Michael A. Terrell" on Mon, 28 Jan 2013
15:01:40 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" on Thu, 08 Nov 2012
09:14:54 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

"John B." wrote:

pyotr filipivich wrote:

Do "Consultants" make their own office furniture, pencils,
projectors and brochures?

Nope, if you are doing your job right the client supplies the office,
desk, chair, pencils, and other necessary services.

That depends on the indusrty where you do the consulting.

So his consultants live on the streets until they get a gig?

The point of the observation was that even the "service"
industries have a "material component" without with they cannot
provide their services.
Or would he hire a cleaning service that expected him to provide
the materials they will use to clean his establishment?

Some industries do supply the bags & cleaners, but it is calculated
into the cost of the service.

My point remains - there are very few "services" which do not
require a manufactured component: Stand-up comics, story tellers,
preachers / politicians. Maybe lawyers, if you keep the laws simple
enough that nothing needs to be written. Prostitutes, but even then,
I'm sure most of their clients would prefer a mattress of some kind.

But cleaners need soap, water and wash rags, and a means to haul
off the trash; Lawyers need legal pads, law books and coffee;
Consultants need office furniture, cell phones, paper, pens, business
cards and computers. It doesn't matter if they bring them to the job,
or are provided - someone has to make the soap, bucket, trash bags,
legal pads, desks, business cards, books, and the coffee pot (and
cups), etc.
Which is where the whole idea of a "service" economy breaks down.
Who is making all that "stuff"? Where do these "wizards" get the
"material components" of their craft? If the client provides them,
that just moves the problem one step back.


--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."