Even setting aside the global warming, I am very worried, how the hell
I and my people are supposed to work this summer.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...tml?tid=pm_pop

http://goo.gl/wEhuC

WASHINGTON €” Its been so warm in the United States this year,
especially in March, that national records werent just broken, they
were deep-fried.

Temperatures in the lower 48 states were 8.6 degrees above normal for
March and 6 degrees higher than average for the first three months of
the year, according to calculations by the National Oceanic and
Atmospheric Administration. That far exceeds the old records.


( David Goldman / Associated Press ) - FILE - In this March 25, 2012,
file photo a couple enjoy a sunny afternoon against the backdrop of
the Midtown skyline from Piedmont Park in Atlanta. The lower 48 states
were 8.6 degrees above normal for March and 6 degrees higher than
average for the first three months of the year, according to
calculations by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration,
with both March and the first three months of the year far exceeding
the countrys old records.
The magnitude of how unusual the year has been in the U.S. has alarmed
some meteorologists who have warned about global warming. One climate
scientist said its the weather equivalent of a baseball player on
steroids, with old records obliterated.

€œEverybody has this uneasy feeling. This is weird. This is not
good,€� said Jerry Meehl, a climate scientist who specializes in
extreme weather at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in
Boulder, Colo. €œIts a guilty pleasure. Youre out enjoying this
nice March weather, but you know its not a good thing.€�

"Ignoramus4025" wrote in message
...
Even setting aside the global warming, I am very worried, how the hell
I and my people are supposed to work this summer.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...tml?tid=pm_pop

http://goo.gl/wEhuC

WASHINGTON ?" It?Ts been so warm in the United States this year,
especially in March, that national records weren?Tt just broken, they
were deep-fried.

Temperatures in the lower 48 states were 8.6 degrees above normal for
March and 6 degrees higher than average for the first three months of
the year, according to calculations by the National Oceanic and
Atmospheric Administration. That far exceeds the old records.


( David Goldman / Associated Press ) - FILE - In this March 25, 2012,
file photo a couple enjoy a sunny afternoon against the backdrop of
the Midtown skyline from Piedmont Park in Atlanta. The lower 48 states
were 8.6 degrees above normal for March and 6 degrees higher than
average for the first three months of the year, according to
calculations by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration,
with both March and the first three months of the year far exceeding
the country?Ts old records.
The magnitude of how unusual the year has been in the U.S. has alarmed
some meteorologists who have warned about global warming. One climate
scientist said it?Ts the weather equivalent of a baseball player on
steroids, with old records obliterated.

?oEverybody has this uneasy feeling. This is weird. This is not
good,?� said Jerry Meehl, a climate scientist who specializes in
extreme weather at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in
Boulder, Colo. ?oIt?Ts a guilty pleasure. You?Tre out enjoying this
nice March weather, but you know it?Ts not a good thing.?�



In Australia we've just had the hottest summer on record on the west coast
and the some of the worst floods on record on the east coast. At times 3/4
of some of the eastern states were under water.

Tomorrow we are expecting a hot 35C/95F. Normally we'd be expecting say
22C/70F and maybe some rain.



But who cares, Australia's sold a **** load of coal and gas real cheap to
the Chinese.......

On Apr 9, 7:35*am, Ignoramus4025
wrote:
Even setting aside the global warming, I am very worried, how the hell
I and my people are supposed to work this summer.

In eastern U.S. we had a much warmer winter, but now it has reverted
to some what colder than average temperatures.


Dan

wrote in message
...
On Apr 9, 7:35 am, Ignoramus4025
wrote:
Even setting aside the global warming, I am very worried, how the hell
I and my people are supposed to work this summer.

In eastern U.S. we had a much warmer winter, but now it has reverted
to some what colder than average temperatures.


Dan


================================================== =======================

In south western austalia, in areas of virgin bush, satellite imaging has
show large areas (IIRC up to 10%) of old growth trees dying due to extended
drought periods. Definitely concerning.

On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 22:26:28 +0800, "Dennis" wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Apr 9, 7:35 am, Ignoramus4025
wrote:
Even setting aside the global warming, I am very worried, how the hell
I and my people are supposed to work this summer.

In eastern U.S. we had a much warmer winter, but now it has reverted
to some what colder than average temperatures.


Dan


================================================= ========================

In south western austalia, in areas of virgin bush, satellite imaging has
show large areas (IIRC up to 10%) of old growth trees dying due to extended
drought periods. Definitely concerning.

I don't know what part of the eastern US that Dan is talking about,
but March was much warmer than normal for the Northeast, and April, so
far, is also above normal. Precipitation is below normal:

http://www.nrcc.cornell.edu/#

Check the daily almanacs for New York, Philadelphia, Wilmington,
Charleston W.Va., Washington D.C., and Boston.

--
Ed Huntress

On Apr 9, 1:15*pm, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 22:26:28 +0800, "Dennis" wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Apr 9, 7:35 am, Ignoramus4025
wrote:
Even setting aside the global warming, I am very worried, how the hell
I and my people are supposed to work this summer.

In eastern U.S. we had a much warmer winter, but now it has reverted
to some what colder than average temperatures.

Dan

================================================= ========================

In south western austalia, in areas of virgin bush, satellite imaging has
show large areas (IIRC up to 10%) of old growth trees dying due to extended
drought periods. Definitely concerning.

I don't know what part of the eastern US that Dan is talking about,
but March was much warmer than normal for the Northeast, and April, so
far, is also above normal. Precipitation is below normal:

http://www.nrcc.cornell.edu/#

Check the daily almanacs for New York, Philadelphia, Wilmington,
Charleston W.Va., Washington D.C., and Boston.

--
Ed Huntress



"Precipitation is below normal" is quite the understatement, Ed. It's
dry as a bone here in Northeast Bergen County, and there are wildfires
in Burlington. At this rate, with the lack of April showers, I fear
for the May flowers. This time of year, the resevoirs should be
overflowing.

Seriously, I know this one hot year does not constitute "climate
change," but still, it's kind of creepy.

On Apr 9, 3:40*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 09 Apr 2012 06:35:29 -0500, Ignoramus4025





wrote:
Even setting aside the global warming, I am very worried, how the hell
I and my people are supposed to work this summer.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...ut-start-of-20...

http://goo.gl/wEhuC

WASHINGTON €” Its been so warm in the United States this year,
especially in March, that national records werent just broken, they
were deep-fried.

Temperatures in the lower 48 states were 8.6 degrees above normal for
March and 6 degrees higher than average for the first three months of
the year, according to calculations by the National Oceanic and
Atmospheric Administration. That far exceeds the old records.

( David Goldman / Associated Press ) - FILE - In this March 25, 2012,
file photo a couple enjoy a sunny afternoon against the backdrop of
the Midtown skyline from Piedmont Park in Atlanta. The lower 48 states
were 8.6 degrees above normal for March and 6 degrees higher than
average for the first three months of the year, according to
calculations by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration,
with both March and the first three months of the year far exceeding
the countrys old records.
The magnitude of how unusual the year has been in the U.S. has alarmed
some meteorologists who have warned about global warming. One climate
scientist said its the weather equivalent of a baseball player on
steroids, with old records obliterated.

€œEverybody has this uneasy feeling. This is weird. This is not
good,€? said Jerry Meehl, a climate scientist who specializes in
extreme weather at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in
Boulder, Colo. €œIts a guilty pleasure. Youre out enjoying this
nice March weather, but you know its not a good thing.€?

Yet Anchorage got a record breaking snow fall recently.

Damn that Gorbal Warming!!


Gunner, you're truly an idiot.

On Apr 9, 1:15*pm, Ed Huntress wrote:



I don't know what part of the eastern US that Dan is talking about,
but March was much warmer than normal for the Northeast, and April, so
far, is also above normal. Precipitation is below normal:

--
Ed Huntress

I am probably wrong. The TV weather people have been saying that the
highs are below normal. But I have not been paying a lot of attention
as to how often they have been saying that. The weather happens
whether I pay attention or not.

Dan

On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 13:50:35 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck
wrote:

On Apr 9, 1:15*pm, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 22:26:28 +0800, "Dennis" wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Apr 9, 7:35 am, Ignoramus4025
wrote:
Even setting aside the global warming, I am very worried, how the hell
I and my people are supposed to work this summer.

In eastern U.S. we had a much warmer winter, but now it has reverted
to some what colder than average temperatures.

Dan

================================================= ========================

In south western austalia, in areas of virgin bush, satellite imaging has
show large areas (IIRC up to 10%) of old growth trees dying due to extended
drought periods. Definitely concerning.

I don't know what part of the eastern US that Dan is talking about,
but March was much warmer than normal for the Northeast, and April, so
far, is also above normal. Precipitation is below normal:

http://www.nrcc.cornell.edu/#

Check the daily almanacs for New York, Philadelphia, Wilmington,
Charleston W.Va., Washington D.C., and Boston.

--
Ed Huntress



"Precipitation is below normal" is quite the understatement, Ed. It's
dry as a bone here in Northeast Bergen County, and there are wildfires
in Burlington. At this rate, with the lack of April showers, I fear
for the May flowers. This time of year, the resevoirs should be
overflowing.

Seriously, I know this one hot year does not constitute "climate
change," but still, it's kind of creepy.

I read a review of it somewhere a few days ago. The Jet Stream is in a
nutty, oscillating pattern well to the north of its usual path, and it
hasn't allowed much Arctic air to penetrate south. And a second
consequence is that it hasn't allowed those air masses to clash and
cause precipitation.

It's dry down here in Middlesex, too. I've been watering the garden
every day and I'm worried about a tree we just planted.

--
Ed Huntress

On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 14:09:53 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Apr 9, 1:15*pm, Ed Huntress wrote:



I don't know what part of the eastern US that Dan is talking about,
but March was much warmer than normal for the Northeast, and April, so
far, is also above normal. Precipitation is below normal:

--
Ed Huntress

I am probably wrong. The TV weather people have been saying that the
highs are below normal. But I have not been paying a lot of attention
as to how often they have been saying that. The weather happens
whether I pay attention or not.

Dan

Well, for the Northeast overall, March was *way* higher than normal,
and April, so far, is a couple or three degrees warmer than normal.

As for climate issues, apparently the question is what made the Jet
Stream stay so far north all winter and, so far, this spring. There is
some discussion about it in the weather analyses sites but it doesn't
look to me like there is a consensus.

--
Ed Huntress

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message ...
On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 13:50:35 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck
wrote:

On Apr 9, 1:15 pm, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 22:26:28 +0800, "Dennis" wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Apr 9, 7:35 am, Ignoramus4025
wrote:
Even setting aside the global warming, I am very worried, how the hell
I and my people are supposed to work this summer.

In eastern U.S. we had a much warmer winter, but now it has reverted
to some what colder than average temperatures.

Dan

================================================= ========================

In south western austalia, in areas of virgin bush, satellite imaging has
show large areas (IIRC up to 10%) of old growth trees dying due to extended
drought periods. Definitely concerning.

I don't know what part of the eastern US that Dan is talking about,
but March was much warmer than normal for the Northeast, and April, so
far, is also above normal. Precipitation is below normal:

http://www.nrcc.cornell.edu/#

Check the daily almanacs for New York, Philadelphia, Wilmington,
Charleston W.Va., Washington D.C., and Boston.

--
Ed Huntress



"Precipitation is below normal" is quite the understatement, Ed. It's
dry as a bone here in Northeast Bergen County, and there are wildfires
in Burlington. At this rate, with the lack of April showers, I fear
for the May flowers. This time of year, the resevoirs should be
overflowing.

Seriously, I know this one hot year does not constitute "climate
change," but still, it's kind of creepy.

I read a review of it somewhere a few days ago. The Jet Stream is in a
nutty, oscillating pattern well to the north of its usual path, and it
hasn't allowed much Arctic air to penetrate south. And a second
consequence is that it hasn't allowed those air masses to clash and
cause precipitation.

It's dry down here in Middlesex, too. I've been watering the garden
every day and I'm worried about a tree we just planted.



It's supposed to get up to 72F tomorrow here along the lower Columbia.

Still a 40% chance of rain though.

On Mon, 09 Apr 2012 13:15:53 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 22:26:28 +0800, "Dennis" wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Apr 9, 7:35 am, Ignoramus4025
wrote:
Even setting aside the global warming, I am very worried, how the hell
I and my people are supposed to work this summer.

In eastern U.S. we had a much warmer winter, but now it has reverted
to some what colder than average temperatures.


Dan


================================================ =========================

In south western austalia, in areas of virgin bush, satellite imaging has
show large areas (IIRC up to 10%) of old growth trees dying due to extended
drought periods. Definitely concerning.

I don't know what part of the eastern US that Dan is talking about,
but March was much warmer than normal for the Northeast, and April, so
far, is also above normal. Precipitation is below normal:

http://www.nrcc.cornell.edu/#

Check the daily almanacs for New York, Philadelphia, Wilmington,
Charleston W.Va., Washington D.C., and Boston.
Our local conservation authority is concerned about the lack of spring
runoff, usully at this time of year, they are warning people to stay
away from stream banks. this year they have mid summer flows in mid
April.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0827141349.htm



An international team of scientists led by the National Center for
Atmospheric Research (NCAR) used more than a century of weather
observations and three powerful computer models to tackle one of the
more difficult questions in meteorology: if the total energy that
reaches Earth from the Sun varies by only 0.1 percent across the
approximately 11-year solar cycle, how can such a small variation drive
major changes in weather patterns on Earth?

The answer, according to the new study, has to do with the Sun's impact
on two seemingly unrelated regions. Chemicals in the stratosphere and
sea surface temperatures in the Pacific Ocean respond during solar
maximum in a way that amplifies the Sun's influence on some aspects of
air movement. This can intensify winds and rainfall, change sea surface
temperatures and cloud cover over certain tropical and subtropical
regions, and ultimately influence global weather.

"The Sun, the stratosphere, and the oceans are connected in ways that
can influence events such as winter rainfall in North America," says
NCAR scientist Gerald Meehl, the lead author. "Understanding the role of
the solar cycle can provide added insight as scientists work toward
predicting regional weather patterns for the next couple of decades."

....

The connection between peaks in solar energy and cooler water in the
equatorial Pacific was first discovered by Harry Van Loon of NCAR and
Colorado Research Associates, who is a co-author of the new paper.
....
(Snipped a lot of good stuff you can read if you want)

It's weather, FFS.. specifications subject to change without notice, in case
you haven't noticed by now.

NM had severe snow and ice storms in December-January, previously unheard
of. Not just because they were unequipped to remove the snow and ice, the
highways would still have been closed if they'd had adequate plow/removal
equipment (opinion of a friend there, who's familiar with winter weather in
the northeast US).

Cave Of Forgotten Dreams (2010)

--
WB
..........


"Ignoramus4025" wrote in message
...
Even setting aside the global warming, I am very worried, how the hell
I and my people are supposed to work this summer.

Cave Of Forgotten Dreams (2010)


Pretty good stuff.
As was Encounters at the End of the WOrld.
The rest Herzog's stuff doesn't move me much though.



Oh? Weather?
Is that still legal?

On Mon, 09 Apr 2012 14:42:11 -0500
Karl Townsend wrote:

The other shoe is falling in the upper Midwest tonight. There will be
a hard freeze taking out the bloom on many perennial plants such as
apples etc.
snip

Not sure about MI.

Hi Karl,

It has been ugly here. Traverse City area took a bad hit recently,
wiping out much of the cherry and grape crops. Asparagus (of all things)
is way early and the growers pickers are still down south. Haven't
heard any recent updates concerning the latter so I don't know if they
found a way to harvest or not. Oh, almost forgot, no bees either. The
ones rented/used for pollination are still stuck in either FL or CA.
Seems it is next to impossible to expedite them.

What I thought you would find most interesting though are my local
apple growers. The temps have been dipping down in the freezing area
pretty regular. The Ridge growers have been fighting back. Burning
hay/straw bales, propane heaters, irrigation, HUGE fan/blowers and even
helicopters trying to push warmer air down to the ground.

A few of the Press articles, no particular order:

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapi...hire_heli.html

http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/...rt_cherry.html

http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/index...f5d014b3713217

http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/...ts-newest.html

http://www.mlive.com/golf/saginawnew...c66fe4c57968df

Best wishes, I hope your luck with all this holds.

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
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