On 2/15/2012 3:12 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
On 2/15/2012 1:33 PM, Hawke wrote:
On 2/13/2012 11:18 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
On 2/13/2012 11:12 AM, Hawke wrote:
On 2/13/2012 8:17 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
On 2/13/2012 12:11 AM, Larry wrote:
In ,

says...

Too much money already is taken from hard-working entrepreneurs and
managers.

That's true, but many of the wealthiest are simply leeches on society
who
produce nothing.

They're not leeches on society in any way. The may not apply their
labor
effort to anything to generate new value, but that doesn't equate to
being a leech. If they lawfully and ethically own assets that provide
them with a financial return and they live off that, they are not
leeches.


A good way of equalizing things would be a graduated capital
gains tax, that stepped up just like income tax does, with 15% being
the
bottom bracket and 38% being the top bracket.

I see no valid reason to want to "equalize" anything.

That's because you have a bizarre view of what "fairness" is.

Nope. Fairness exists is when people who create value lawfully and
ethically get to keep all of it without worrying about looters sending
government agents to take it from them.


Fairness is when those people who create value understand that they came
into a society that aided them, provided a place for them to be free to
do as they pleased,

No, "society" did no such thing. "Society" doesn't *do* anything.
Society is merely s description of people viewed together rather than in
isolation.

No debt *ever* is owed to "society" for having engaged in productive
effort. If I'm sitting around on a weekend afternoon considering my
options, and I think I can (a) sit around and watch sports on TV, or (b)
go outside and repair something on my house, or (c) go across the street
to my neighbor and repair something on his house in exchange for $100,
"society" has no valid ethical claim on any part of the $100 if I choose
(c).

Your beliefs about society are 100% wrong. They have no basis in logic,
ethics or law.


You wouldn't have the choices you just described if it wasn't for the
society that has been built here in the last 200 years by lots of other
people.

Hawke

On 2/16/2012 3:51 PM, Hawke wrote:
On 2/15/2012 3:12 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
On 2/15/2012 1:33 PM, Hawke wrote:
On 2/13/2012 11:18 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
On 2/13/2012 11:12 AM, Hawke wrote:
On 2/13/2012 8:17 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
On 2/13/2012 12:11 AM, Larry wrote:
In ,

says...

Too much money already is taken from hard-working entrepreneurs and
managers.

That's true, but many of the wealthiest are simply leeches on
society
who
produce nothing.

They're not leeches on society in any way. The may not apply their
labor
effort to anything to generate new value, but that doesn't equate to
being a leech. If they lawfully and ethically own assets that provide
them with a financial return and they live off that, they are not
leeches.


A good way of equalizing things would be a graduated capital
gains tax, that stepped up just like income tax does, with 15% being
the
bottom bracket and 38% being the top bracket.

I see no valid reason to want to "equalize" anything.

That's because you have a bizarre view of what "fairness" is.

Nope. Fairness exists is when people who create value lawfully and
ethically get to keep all of it without worrying about looters sending
government agents to take it from them.


Fairness is when those people who create value understand that they came
into a society that aided them, provided a place for them to be free to
do as they pleased,

No, "society" did no such thing. "Society" doesn't *do* anything.
Society is merely s description of people viewed together rather than in
isolation.

No debt *ever* is owed to "society" for having engaged in productive
effort. If I'm sitting around on a weekend afternoon considering my
options, and I think I can (a) sit around and watch sports on TV, or (b)
go outside and repair something on my house, or (c) go across the street
to my neighbor and repair something on his house in exchange for $100,
"society" has no valid ethical claim on any part of the $100 if I choose
(c).

Your beliefs about society are 100% wrong. They have no basis in logic,
ethics or law.


You wouldn't have the choices you just described if it wasn't for the
society that has been built here in the last 200 years by lots of other
people.

It isn't the "society". Society is a description, not an entity.
"Society" does nothing.

On 2/16/2012 7:23 PM, George Plimpton wrote:

No, "society" did no such thing. "Society" doesn't *do* anything.
Society is merely s description of people viewed together rather than in
isolation.

No debt *ever* is owed to "society" for having engaged in productive
effort. If I'm sitting around on a weekend afternoon considering my
options, and I think I can (a) sit around and watch sports on TV, or (b)
go outside and repair something on my house, or (c) go across the street
to my neighbor and repair something on his house in exchange for $100,
"society" has no valid ethical claim on any part of the $100 if I choose
(c).

Your beliefs about society are 100% wrong. They have no basis in logic,
ethics or law.


You wouldn't have the choices you just described if it wasn't for the
society that has been built here in the last 200 years by lots of other
people.

It isn't the "society". Society is a description, not an entity.
"Society" does nothing.


Dude, you need to go back to school and take Sociology. You don't know
the first thing about society.

Hawke

On 2/17/2012 2:11 PM, Hawke wrote:
On 2/16/2012 7:23 PM, George Plimpton wrote:

No, "society" did no such thing. "Society" doesn't *do* anything.
Society is merely s description of people viewed together rather
than in
isolation.

No debt *ever* is owed to "society" for having engaged in productive
effort. If I'm sitting around on a weekend afternoon considering my
options, and I think I can (a) sit around and watch sports on TV, or
(b)
go outside and repair something on my house, or (c) go across the
street
to my neighbor and repair something on his house in exchange for $100,
"society" has no valid ethical claim on any part of the $100 if I
choose
(c).

Your beliefs about society are 100% wrong. They have no basis in logic,
ethics or law.


You wouldn't have the choices you just described if it wasn't for the
society that has been built here in the last 200 years by lots of other
people.

It isn't the "society". Society is a description, not an entity.
"Society" does nothing.


Dude, you need to go back to school and take Sociology.

Sociology is even more worthless than political science. It's complete
and utter bull****.

On 2/17/2012 2:15 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
On 2/17/2012 2:11 PM, Hawke wrote:
On 2/16/2012 7:23 PM, George Plimpton wrote:

No, "society" did no such thing. "Society" doesn't *do* anything.
Society is merely s description of people viewed together rather
than in
isolation.

No debt *ever* is owed to "society" for having engaged in productive
effort. If I'm sitting around on a weekend afternoon considering my
options, and I think I can (a) sit around and watch sports on TV, or
(b)
go outside and repair something on my house, or (c) go across the
street
to my neighbor and repair something on his house in exchange for $100,
"society" has no valid ethical claim on any part of the $100 if I
choose
(c).

Your beliefs about society are 100% wrong. They have no basis in
logic,
ethics or law.


You wouldn't have the choices you just described if it wasn't for the
society that has been built here in the last 200 years by lots of other
people.

It isn't the "society". Society is a description, not an entity.
"Society" does nothing.


Dude, you need to go back to school and take Sociology.

Sociology is even more worthless than political science. It's complete
and utter bull****.


Ignorant people always say things just like that.

Hawke

On 2/18/2012 12:24 PM, Hawke wrote:
On 2/17/2012 2:15 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
On 2/17/2012 2:11 PM, Hawke wrote:
On 2/16/2012 7:23 PM, George Plimpton wrote:

No, "society" did no such thing. "Society" doesn't *do* anything.
Society is merely s description of people viewed together rather
than in
isolation.

No debt *ever* is owed to "society" for having engaged in productive
effort. If I'm sitting around on a weekend afternoon considering my
options, and I think I can (a) sit around and watch sports on TV, or
(b)
go outside and repair something on my house, or (c) go across the
street
to my neighbor and repair something on his house in exchange for
$100,
"society" has no valid ethical claim on any part of the $100 if I
choose
(c).

Your beliefs about society are 100% wrong. They have no basis in
logic,
ethics or law.


You wouldn't have the choices you just described if it wasn't for the
society that has been built here in the last 200 years by lots of
other
people.

It isn't the "society". Society is a description, not an entity.
"Society" does nothing.


Dude, you need to go back to school and take Sociology.

Sociology is even more worthless than political science. It's complete
and utter bull****.


Ignorant people always say things just like that.

Nope. Knowledgeable people who know what's what say it.

Sociology and economics usually make completely opposite statements
about human behavior. The predictions economists make about human
behavior are almost always right, sociologists' nearly always wrong. It
is simply a fact that there is no theory whatever behind sociology; it's
all wishful thinking.

On 2/18/2012 12:43 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
On 2/18/2012 12:24 PM, Hawke wrote:
On 2/17/2012 2:15 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
On 2/17/2012 2:11 PM, Hawke wrote:
On 2/16/2012 7:23 PM, George Plimpton wrote:

No, "society" did no such thing. "Society" doesn't *do* anything.
Society is merely s description of people viewed together rather
than in
isolation.

No debt *ever* is owed to "society" for having engaged in productive
effort. If I'm sitting around on a weekend afternoon considering my
options, and I think I can (a) sit around and watch sports on TV, or
(b)
go outside and repair something on my house, or (c) go across the
street
to my neighbor and repair something on his house in exchange for
$100,
"society" has no valid ethical claim on any part of the $100 if I
choose
(c).

Your beliefs about society are 100% wrong. They have no basis in
logic,
ethics or law.


You wouldn't have the choices you just described if it wasn't for the
society that has been built here in the last 200 years by lots of
other
people.

It isn't the "society". Society is a description, not an entity.
"Society" does nothing.


Dude, you need to go back to school and take Sociology.

Sociology is even more worthless than political science. It's complete
and utter bull****.


Ignorant people always say things just like that.

Nope. Knowledgeable people who know what's what say it.

Sociology and economics usually make completely opposite statements
about human behavior. The predictions economists make about human
behavior are almost always right, sociologists' nearly always wrong. It
is simply a fact that there is no theory whatever behind sociology; it's
all wishful thinking.


What's wishful thinking is that economics has the answers to anything.
It has none. It's a soft science too. Ask an economist a question and he
never knows anything for sure. He can't predict anything. He never sees
anything coming until it's way too late. All the recommendations of
economists are worthless. Talk about useless bull****. You won't find
anything better to tear apart than anything an economist says. All you
have to do is get another one of them and he will tell you what the
first one said is ridiculous. Go get another an he'll tell you what the
second one said is ridiculous, and on and on. None of them agrees with
any of the other ones. And to think some people think having a degree in
a piece of crap field like economics means they have brains. It means
they don't. Why else does no one listen to what they say?

Hawke

On 2/18/2012 1:03 PM, Hawke-Ptooey, totalitarian, wrote a lot of bull****:
On 2/18/2012 12:43 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
On 2/18/2012 12:24 PM, Hawke-Ptooey, totalitarian, wrote a lot of bull****:
On 2/17/2012 2:15 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
On 2/17/2012 2:11 PM, Hawke-Ptooey, totalitarian, wrote a lot of bull****:
On 2/16/2012 7:23 PM, George Plimpton wrote:

No, "society" did no such thing. "Society" doesn't *do* anything.
Society is merely s description of people viewed together rather
than in
isolation.

No debt *ever* is owed to "society" for having engaged in
productive
effort. If I'm sitting around on a weekend afternoon considering my
options, and I think I can (a) sit around and watch sports on
TV, or
(b)
go outside and repair something on my house, or (c) go across the
street
to my neighbor and repair something on his house in exchange for
$100,
"society" has no valid ethical claim on any part of the $100 if I
choose
(c).

Your beliefs about society are 100% wrong. They have no basis in
logic,
ethics or law.


You wouldn't have the choices you just described if it wasn't for
the
society that has been built here in the last 200 years by lots of
other
people.

It isn't the "society". Society is a description, not an entity.
"Society" does nothing.


Dude, you need to go back to school and take Sociology.

Sociology is even more worthless than political science. It's complete
and utter bull****.


Ignorant people always say things just like that.

Nope. Knowledgeable people who know what's what say it.

Sociology and economics usually make completely opposite statements
about human behavior. The predictions economists make about human
behavior are almost always right, sociologists' nearly always wrong. It
is simply a fact that there is no theory whatever behind sociology; it's
all wishful thinking.


What's wishful thinking is that economics has the answers to anything.

It has the answers to understanding most of human behavior.

On Feb 18, 3:24*pm, Hawke wrote:



Ignorant people always say things just like that.

Hawke

Right. If you do not have a good counter argument, denigrate the
opponent.
Dan

On Feb 18, 4:03*pm, Hawke wrote:


What's wishful thinking is that economics has the answers to anything.
It has none. It's a soft science too. Ask an economist a question and he
never knows anything for sure. He can't predict anything. He never sees
anything coming until it's way too late. All the recommendations of
economists are worthless. Talk about useless bull****. You won't find
anything better to tear apart than anything an economist says. All you
have to do is get another one of them and he will tell you what the
first one said is ridiculous. Go get another an he'll tell you what the
second one said is ridiculous, and on and on. None of them agrees with
any of the other ones. And to think some people think having a degree in
a piece of crap field like economics means they have brains. It means
they don't. Why else does no one listen to what they say?

Hawke

Did you not take any economics in college? I believe everyone should
take at least one economics course in college. It is important to
understanding how the world operates. And I consider anyone that has
not had a course in economics as not really educated.

Dan

On 2/18/2012 1:10 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
On 2/18/2012 1:03 PM, Hawke-Ptooey, totalitarian, wrote a lot of bull****:
On 2/18/2012 12:43 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
On 2/18/2012 12:24 PM, Hawke-Ptooey, totalitarian, wrote a lot of
bull****:
On 2/17/2012 2:15 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
On 2/17/2012 2:11 PM, Hawke-Ptooey, totalitarian, wrote a lot of
bull****:
On 2/16/2012 7:23 PM, George Plimpton wrote:

No, "society" did no such thing. "Society" doesn't *do* anything.
Society is merely s description of people viewed together rather
than in
isolation.

No debt *ever* is owed to "society" for having engaged in
productive
effort. If I'm sitting around on a weekend afternoon
considering my
options, and I think I can (a) sit around and watch sports on
TV, or
(b)
go outside and repair something on my house, or (c) go across the
street
to my neighbor and repair something on his house in exchange for
$100,
"society" has no valid ethical claim on any part of the $100 if I
choose
(c).

Your beliefs about society are 100% wrong. They have no basis in
logic,
ethics or law.


You wouldn't have the choices you just described if it wasn't for
the
society that has been built here in the last 200 years by lots of
other
people.

It isn't the "society". Society is a description, not an entity.
"Society" does nothing.


Dude, you need to go back to school and take Sociology.

Sociology is even more worthless than political science. It's complete
and utter bull****.


Ignorant people always say things just like that.

Nope. Knowledgeable people who know what's what say it.

Sociology and economics usually make completely opposite statements
about human behavior. The predictions economists make about human
behavior are almost always right, sociologists' nearly always wrong. It
is simply a fact that there is no theory whatever behind sociology; it's
all wishful thinking.


What's wishful thinking is that economics has the answers to anything.

It has the answers to understanding most of human behavior.


Maybe in your dreams it does. In real life it does a crappy job
predicting anything. I just heard Peter Orszag give a talk today and he
pointed out how all the economists had gotten it wrong predicting the
recession. Even the CBO predicted that unemployment would be only 6.3%
by now. By the way, he's Citibank Global Operations VP so he's not
connected with the government in any way. When someone like that tells
you all the economists got it wrong it's believable. But it's like I
said, they always get it wrong, and that's why it's a poor field to be in.


Hawke

On 2/18/2012 7:29 PM, Hawke wrote:
On 2/18/2012 1:10 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
On 2/18/2012 1:03 PM, Hawke-Ptooey, totalitarian, wrote a lot of
bull****:
On 2/18/2012 12:43 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
On 2/18/2012 12:24 PM, Hawke-Ptooey, totalitarian, wrote a lot of
bull****:
On 2/17/2012 2:15 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
On 2/17/2012 2:11 PM, Hawke-Ptooey, totalitarian, wrote a lot of
bull****:
On 2/16/2012 7:23 PM, George Plimpton wrote:

No, "society" did no such thing. "Society" doesn't *do* anything.
Society is merely s description of people viewed together rather
than in
isolation.

No debt *ever* is owed to "society" for having engaged in
productive
effort. If I'm sitting around on a weekend afternoon
considering my
options, and I think I can (a) sit around and watch sports on
TV, or
(b)
go outside and repair something on my house, or (c) go across the
street
to my neighbor and repair something on his house in exchange for
$100,
"society" has no valid ethical claim on any part of the $100 if I
choose
(c).

Your beliefs about society are 100% wrong. They have no basis in
logic,
ethics or law.


You wouldn't have the choices you just described if it wasn't for
the
society that has been built here in the last 200 years by lots of
other
people.

It isn't the "society". Society is a description, not an entity.
"Society" does nothing.


Dude, you need to go back to school and take Sociology.

Sociology is even more worthless than political science. It's
complete
and utter bull****.


Ignorant people always say things just like that.

Nope. Knowledgeable people who know what's what say it.

Sociology and economics usually make completely opposite statements
about human behavior. The predictions economists make about human
behavior are almost always right, sociologists' nearly always wrong. It
is simply a fact that there is no theory whatever behind sociology;
it's
all wishful thinking.


What's wishful thinking is that economics has the answers to anything.

It has the answers to understanding most of human behavior.


Maybe in your dreams it does.

In reality it does. Economics makes useful and accurate predictions of
people's behavior; sociology never does.