I looked for parts washing solvent, and I am finding that it is a lot
more expensive than other hydrocarbons like kerosene. I am wondering,
why is this the case?

Any idea what is a relatively cheap way to get about 40-50 gallons of
that stuff.

Thanks

Ignoramus5263 wrote:

I looked for parts washing solvent, and I am finding that it is a lot
more expensive than other hydrocarbons like kerosene. I am wondering,
why is this the case?

Any idea what is a relatively cheap way to get about 40-50 gallons of
that stuff.

Thanks

Three letters - E - P - A

The big shops are using heated parts washers with water based solvents
now.

On Sep 9, 1:17*pm, "Pete C." wrote:
Ignoramus5263 wrote:

I looked for parts washing solvent, and I am finding that it is a lot
more expensive than other hydrocarbons like kerosene. I am wondering,
why is this the case?

Any idea what is a relatively cheap way to get about 40-50 gallons of
that stuff.

Thanks

Three letters - E - P - A

The big shops are using heated parts washers with water based solvents
now.

LOL...yeah let's all forget how all the bad stuff went down the drain,
into the aquifer and then out of the faucet into your kid's glass of
water.

TMT

On Fri, 09 Sep 2011 12:34:39 -0500, Ignoramus5263
wrote:

I looked for parts washing solvent, and I am finding that it is a lot
more expensive than other hydrocarbons like kerosene. I am wondering,
why is this the case?

Any idea what is a relatively cheap way to get about 40-50 gallons of
that stuff.

Thanks

CONTENTS: Ed's Red Bore Cleaner

1 part Dexron ATF, GM Spec. D-20265 or later.

1 part Kerosene - deodorized, K1

1 part Aliphatic Mineral Spirits

CAS #64741-49-9, or substitute "Stoddard Solvent", CAS #8052-41-3, or
equivalent.

1 part Acetone, CAS #67-64-1.

(Optional 1 lb. of Lanolin, Anhydrous, USP per gallon, or OK to
substitute Lanolin, Modified, Topical Lubricant, from the drug store)





I skip the acetone and use WD40 for the stoddard solvent

Karl

On 9/9/2011 1:34 PM, Ignoramus5263 wrote:
I looked for parts washing solvent, and I am finding that it is a lot
more expensive than other hydrocarbons like kerosene. I am wondering,
why is this the case?

Any idea what is a relatively cheap way to get about 40-50 gallons of
that stuff.



This doesn't answer the question asked, but many businesses are using
outfits like this to supply the stuff and haul it away:

http://www.safety-kleen.com/products/CleaningEquipment/Pages/SolventPartsWashers.aspx


if you are talking 40-50 gallons, you are getting into the territory
where the EPA/DEP might get interested. It might be good to have paperwork.

Kevin Gallimore

"axolotl" wrote in message
...
On 9/9/2011 1:34 PM, Ignoramus5263 wrote:
I looked for parts washing solvent, and I am finding that it is a lot
more expensive than other hydrocarbons like kerosene. I am wondering,
why is this the case?

Any idea what is a relatively cheap way to get about 40-50 gallons of
that stuff.



This doesn't answer the question asked, but many businesses are using
outfits like this to supply the stuff and haul it away:

http://www.safety-kleen.com/products/CleaningEquipment/Pages/SolventPartsWashers.aspx


if you are talking 40-50 gallons, you are getting into the territory where
the EPA/DEP might get interested. It might be good to have paperwork.

Kevin Gallimore


Illinois also has thier own state run EPA to contend with.
You gonna need a big paper trail if they come a knocken.

Best Regards
Tom.

On 2011-09-10, azotic wrote:

"axolotl" wrote in message
...
On 9/9/2011 1:34 PM, Ignoramus5263 wrote:
I looked for parts washing solvent, and I am finding that it is a lot
more expensive than other hydrocarbons like kerosene. I am wondering,
why is this the case?

Any idea what is a relatively cheap way to get about 40-50 gallons of
that stuff.



This doesn't answer the question asked, but many businesses are using
outfits like this to supply the stuff and haul it away:

http://www.safety-kleen.com/products/CleaningEquipment/Pages/SolventPartsWashers.aspx


if you are talking 40-50 gallons, you are getting into the territory where
the EPA/DEP might get interested. It might be good to have paperwork.

Kevin Gallimore


Illinois also has thier own state run EPA to contend with.
You gonna need a big paper trail if they come a knocken.

What kind of paper trail?

i

"Ignoramus5263" wrote in message
...
On 2011-09-10, azotic wrote:

"axolotl" wrote in message
...
On 9/9/2011 1:34 PM, Ignoramus5263 wrote:
I looked for parts washing solvent, and I am finding that it is a lot
more expensive than other hydrocarbons like kerosene. I am wondering,
why is this the case?

Any idea what is a relatively cheap way to get about 40-50 gallons of
that stuff.



This doesn't answer the question asked, but many businesses are using
outfits like this to supply the stuff and haul it away:

http://www.safety-kleen.com/products/CleaningEquipment/Pages/SolventPartsWashers.aspx


if you are talking 40-50 gallons, you are getting into the territory
where
the EPA/DEP might get interested. It might be good to have paperwork.

Kevin Gallimore


Illinois also has thier own state run EPA to contend with.
You gonna need a big paper trail if they come a knocken.

What kind of paper trail?

i

Disposal of spent solvents. Hydrocarbon spills can be very
expensive to clean up. A passer by made a call on thier cell
phone and it cost my neighbor 50k after the guys in the space
suits got done with him. He was cleaning electric motors behind
his shop on his driveway. He did not have any paperwork for
proper disposal. Apparently the passer by called the 800 number
to report illegal dumping.

Best Regards
Tom.

On 2011-09-10, azotic wrote:

"Ignoramus5263" wrote in message
...
On 2011-09-10, azotic wrote:

"axolotl" wrote in message
...
On 9/9/2011 1:34 PM, Ignoramus5263 wrote:
I looked for parts washing solvent, and I am finding that it is a lot
more expensive than other hydrocarbons like kerosene. I am wondering,
why is this the case?

Any idea what is a relatively cheap way to get about 40-50 gallons of
that stuff.



This doesn't answer the question asked, but many businesses are using
outfits like this to supply the stuff and haul it away:

http://www.safety-kleen.com/products/CleaningEquipment/Pages/SolventPartsWashers.aspx


if you are talking 40-50 gallons, you are getting into the territory
where
the EPA/DEP might get interested. It might be good to have paperwork.

Kevin Gallimore


Illinois also has thier own state run EPA to contend with.
You gonna need a big paper trail if they come a knocken.

What kind of paper trail?

i

Disposal of spent solvents. Hydrocarbon spills can be very
expensive to clean up. A passer by made a call on thier cell
phone and it cost my neighbor 50k after the guys in the space
suits got done with him. He was cleaning electric motors behind
his shop on his driveway. He did not have any paperwork for
proper disposal. Apparently the passer by called the 800 number
to report illegal dumping.

Best Regards
Tom.


Frightening!

i

On Fri, 09 Sep 2011 20:41:07 -0400, axolotl
wrote:

On 9/9/2011 1:34 PM, Ignoramus5263 wrote:
I looked for parts washing solvent, and I am finding that it is a lot
more expensive than other hydrocarbons like kerosene. I am wondering,
why is this the case?

Any idea what is a relatively cheap way to get about 40-50 gallons of
that stuff.



This doesn't answer the question asked, but many businesses are using
outfits like this to supply the stuff and haul it away:

http://www.safety-kleen.com/products/CleaningEquipment/Pages/SolventPartsWashers.aspx


if you are talking 40-50 gallons, you are getting into the territory
where the EPA/DEP might get interested. It might be good to have paperwork.

Kevin Gallimore

I have the Mod 257.

Gunner

--
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
fools that made him their prince".

On Sep 9, 8:41*pm, axolotl wrote:
On 9/9/2011 1:34 PM, Ignoramus5263 wrote:

I looked for parts washing solvent, and I am finding that it is a lot
more expensive than other hydrocarbons like kerosene. I am wondering,
why is this the case?

Any idea what is a relatively cheap way to get about 40-50 gallons of
that stuff.

This doesn't answer the question asked, but many businesses are using
outfits like this to supply the stuff and haul it away:

http://www.safety-kleen.com/products/CleaningEquipment/Pages/SolventP...

if you are talking 40-50 gallons, you are getting into the territory
where the EPA/DEP might get interested. It might be good to have paperwork.

Kevin Gallimore

When I had a motorcycle shop in the mid-70s, I had a contract with
Safety Kleen. It was pretty cheap, and they would just come and swap
the (20 gal.) tank once a week.

On 09/09/2011 12:34 PM, Ignoramus5263 wrote:
I looked for parts washing solvent, and I am finding that it is a lot
more expensive than other hydrocarbons like kerosene. I am wondering,
why is this the case?

Any idea what is a relatively cheap way to get about 40-50 gallons of
that stuff.

Thanks

My parts washer is homemade from a 15 gallon drum with a kitchen sink
bolted to it. I use an old 12vdc gas pump submerged in the tank by an
old coathanger. Solvent is 10 gallons of diesel fuel. Fuel that is
too dirty to clean any longer is pumped into 5 gallon gas cans and
delivered to my oil change place where it is dumped into their tank
of mystery oil.

Took several years of scrounging to get all the parts, but I'm frugal
and patient.



technomaNge
--
That is how you spell "cheap", isn't it?

In rec.crafts.metalworking, technomaNge wrote:
My parts washer is homemade from a 15 gallon drum with a kitchen sink
bolted to it. I use an old 12vdc gas pump submerged in the tank by an
old coathanger. Solvent is 10 gallons of diesel fuel. Fuel that is
too dirty to clean any longer is pumped into 5 gallon gas cans and
delivered to my oil change place where it is dumped into their tank
of mystery oil.

Sounds like a nice one to me. Hmmm.

Elijah
------
even has a spare kitchen sink already

On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 19:16:24 -0500, technomaNge wrote:
On 09/09/2011 12:34 PM, Ignoramus5263 wrote:
I looked for parts washing solvent, and I am finding that it is a lot
more expensive than other hydrocarbons like kerosene. I am wondering,
why is this the case?

Any idea what is a relatively cheap way to get about 40-50 gallons of
that stuff.

My parts washer is homemade from a 15 gallon drum with a kitchen sink
bolted to it. I use an old 12vdc gas pump submerged in the tank by an
old coathanger. Solvent is 10 gallons of diesel fuel. Fuel that is too
dirty to clean any longer is pumped into 5 gallon gas cans and delivered
to my oil change place where it is dumped into their tank of mystery
oil.
....

What do you mean by "too dirty to clean any longer" ? Seems like
some settling, followed by screen, cheesecloth, and coffee filter
paper would get almost all dirt and grit out of the mix. I don't
know how much of a problem dissolved grease and oil is, as far as
cleaning effectiveness; is that where the problem is? Or is
it more of a "too dirty to mess with anymore" problem?

--
jiw

"James Waldby" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 19:16:24 -0500, technomaNge wrote:
On 09/09/2011 12:34 PM, Ignoramus5263 wrote:
I looked for parts washing solvent, and I am finding that it is a lot
more expensive than other hydrocarbons like kerosene. I am wondering,
why is this the case?

Any idea what is a relatively cheap way to get about 40-50 gallons of
that stuff.

My parts washer is homemade from a 15 gallon drum with a kitchen sink
bolted to it. I use an old 12vdc gas pump submerged in the tank by an
old coathanger. Solvent is 10 gallons of diesel fuel. Fuel that is too
dirty to clean any longer is pumped into 5 gallon gas cans and delivered
to my oil change place where it is dumped into their tank of mystery
oil.
...

What do you mean by "too dirty to clean any longer" ? Seems like
some settling, followed by screen, cheesecloth, and coffee filter
paper would get almost all dirt and grit out of the mix. I don't
know how much of a problem dissolved grease and oil is, as far as
cleaning effectiveness; is that where the problem is? Or is
it more of a "too dirty to mess with anymore" problem?

--
jiw

I had pondered that point, too, then remembered my high school chemistry
about solids and solvents. An increase in some of the solvent levels could
affect the whole solution. Particularly liquids that tend to stratify and
separate. And then there's the ph factor to be considered. And the
flammability of the whole thing as it changes from pure diesel fuel to a mix
of many things. Carburetors are cleaned occasionally, and a build up of gas
could occur. And a very large explosion can be had with a very small amount
of gasoline evaporating into the air of a closed shop, and then the
compressor kicks on with a spark at the contact points, and ............. I
do not know if the diesel fuel would keep the aromatic gas from offgassing
into the surrounding air, but I wouldn't want to bet a whole shop, and the
windows a block around on it.

Steve

On 09/11/2011 03:45 PM, James Waldby wrote:

What do you mean by "too dirty to clean any longer" ? Seems like
some settling, followed by screen, cheesecloth, and coffee filter
paper would get almost all dirt and grit out of the mix. I don't
know how much of a problem dissolved grease and oil is, as far as
cleaning effectiveness; is that where the problem is? Or is
it more of a "too dirty to mess with anymore" problem?


I mostly clean VW engine parts with the diesel. An acid brush
or an old toothbrush will get into the tight spots.

But the exterior crud washed off is old oil and sandy crud.
Interior crud is carbon and metal shavings.

Eventually the diesel contains too much oil and won't cut it anymore.

If I had a diesel engine of some kind, I would do extensive filtering
then put it to use. But I don't, so I won't do that much work.

I forgot to mention: Don't let the pump sit on the bottom of the
barrel. DAMHIKT.



technomaNge
--
If the answer is more government,
the question was stupid.

On Sep 11, 10:19*pm, technomaNge wrote:
On 09/11/2011 03:45 PM, James Waldby wrote:



What do you mean by "too dirty to clean any longer" ? *Seems like
some settling, followed by screen, cheesecloth, and coffee filter
paper would get almost all dirt and grit out of the mix. *I don't
know how much of a problem dissolved grease and oil is, as far as
cleaning effectiveness; is that where the problem is? *Or is
it more of a "too dirty to mess with anymore" problem?

I mostly clean VW engine parts with the diesel. An acid brush
or an old toothbrush will get into the tight spots.

But the exterior crud washed off is old oil and sandy crud.
Interior crud is carbon and metal shavings.

Eventually the diesel contains too much oil and won't cut it anymore.

If I had a diesel engine of some kind, I would do extensive filtering
then put it to use. But I don't, so I won't do that much work.

I forgot to mention: Don't let the pump sit on the bottom of the
barrel. *DAMHIKT.

My parts washer is a 55-gallon drum with a disc of flat steel mounted
about 14 inches from the top. It is held up by 3 small bolts extending
into the barrel radially. The pump is a good submersible 110V pump
made for the purpose, Grainger-sourced I think. it sits about 1/2 down
the barrel, with a flex spout on the outlet coming through a nothc in
the plate. The lower third of the barrel is straight water, with Kero
or diesel on top of that. Any heavy insolubles settle out and down
into the water, never to return. That diesel was coming out milky the
other night. I bet today it will be crystal clear. No messing with
inline filters etc.
So far I've used it about 10 years and have not done anything
except top off the solvent with whatever was cheapest at the time.
Currently, that would be diesel.

On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 22:19:35 -0500, technomaNge wrote:

On 09/11/2011 03:45 PM, James Waldby wrote:

What do you mean by "too dirty to clean any longer" ? Seems like
some settling, followed by screen, cheesecloth, and coffee filter
paper would get almost all dirt and grit out of the mix. I don't
know how much of a problem dissolved grease and oil is, as far as
cleaning effectiveness; is that where the problem is? Or is
it more of a "too dirty to mess with anymore" problem?


I mostly clean VW engine parts with the diesel. An acid brush
or an old toothbrush will get into the tight spots.

But the exterior crud washed off is old oil and sandy crud.
Interior crud is carbon and metal shavings.

Eventually the diesel contains too much oil and won't cut it anymore.

If I had a diesel engine of some kind, I would do extensive filtering
then put it to use. But I don't, so I won't do that much work.

Such used fuels make a very nice shop heater btw....

http://www.backyardmetalcasting.com/oilburners03.html

etc etc etc


I forgot to mention: Don't let the pump sit on the bottom of the
barrel. DAMHIKT.



technomaNge

--
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
fools that made him their prince".

On 09/12/2011 04:05 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 22:19:35 -0500, wrote:

If I had a diesel engine of some kind, I would do extensive filtering
then put it to use. But I don't, so I won't do that much work.

Such used fuels make a very nice shop heater btw....

http://www.backyardmetalcasting.com/oilburners03.html

etc etc etc


Oh, puleeze!
I'm in Alabama, don't even need a heater except in January and
February.

See the RCMer map:
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=117570912561510306224. 0004764a2159981c8a842&ll=39.97712,-93.164062&spn=37.753589,67.763672&z=4



technomaNge
--
Proud to be one of the
".....jingoistic reactionaries who have too much time on their hands."
Thank you, Ed Huntress.