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Parts washer solvent options (and then disposal of used solvent)
As a hobbiest, I do not have the same option such as a service that
changes out the parts washer solvent. I have a 20 gal parts washer with with a electric pump and sprayer. In the past I have used paint thinner as the solvent. A local paint supply store sold the thinner in bulk (at $2/gal, the price was right) and the evaporation was not too fast. Now I have to buy the paint thinner at retail. At the other end, disposing of the dirty solvent poses a problem for me. Lately, I have been thinking that if my solvent were say kerosene or diesel (an oil) maybe I could dispose of the dirty solvent with the used oil that my local autoparts accept for free. I do not want to be the person that "contaminates" the used oil bin. I have also been thinking of adding an engine oil filter between the pump and the sprayer, not sure that the pump has enough power to push the solvent thru a filter. If it works, I might not need to change the solvent for many years. I know that there are water based solvents (Simple Green, etc) out there. Question is, how does one dispose of the water based solvent - I could flush it down the sanitary sewer - but does that not cause potential issues at the water treatment plant (I presume that there is still oil in the water emulsion)? What do you do? WHat do you suggest? |
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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:02:37 -0600, RBnDFW
wrote: Randy wrote: On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:04:48 -0800 (PST), wrote: As a hobbiest, I do not have the same option such as a service that changes out the parts washer solvent. I have a 20 gal parts washer with with a electric pump and sprayer. In the past I have used paint thinner as the solvent. A local paint supply store sold the thinner in bulk (at $2/gal, the price was right) and the evaporation was not too fast. Now I have to buy the paint thinner at retail. At the other end, disposing of the dirty solvent poses a problem for me. Lately, I have been thinking that if my solvent were say kerosene or diesel (an oil) maybe I could dispose of the dirty solvent with the used oil that my local autoparts accept for free. I do not want to be the person that "contaminates" the used oil bin. I have also been thinking of adding an engine oil filter between the pump and the sprayer, not sure that the pump has enough power to push the solvent thru a filter. If it works, I might not need to change the solvent for many years. My primary parts cleaner is a 55-gallon drum. It has a false floor about 12 inches down. Another 12 inches down is the pump. I use kerosene or diesel oil. The bottom 10-12" is water. The idea is that the heavier particles settle into the water and keeps the solvent cleaner. Seems to work. Be cafeful if the bottom of the drum rusts through. Thank You, Randy Remove 333 from email address to reply. |
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My primary parts cleaner is a 55-gallon drum. It has a false floor about 12 inches down. Another 12 inches down is the pump. I use kerosene or diesel oil. The bottom 10-12" is water. The idea is that the heavier particles settle into the water and keeps the solvent cleaner. Seems to work. As far as I know the water/soap types must be heated to work well. If you have one of the Chinese units with a flat bottom, a magnetic engine heater is perfect for that. Have you found need of disposing of the solvent? If so, where to you off load the kero or diesel? This to me is the biggest issue. My parts washer is infact of of the chinese units. I have a brick under the legs opposite of the pump end and then a couple more bricks inside of the tank to reduce the volume The idea of needing to heat up the water based cleaner does not appeal to me - I do not use the parts washer frequently and consequently would not want to keep it heated up, on the other hand when I want to use it, I would not want to have to wait for the solution to heat up. |
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On Sunday, 15 November 2009 21:04:48 UTC-5, wrote:
As a hobbiest, I do not have the same option such as a service that changes out the parts washer solvent. I have a 20 gal parts washer with with a electric pump and sprayer. In the past I have used paint thinner as the solvent. A local paint supply store sold the thinner in bulk (at $2/gal, the price was right) and the evaporation was not too fast. Now I have to buy the paint thinner at retail. At the other end, disposing of the dirty solvent poses a problem for me. Lately, I have been thinking that if my solvent were say kerosene or diesel (an oil) maybe I could dispose of the dirty solvent with the used oil that my local autoparts accept for free. I do not want to be the person that "contaminates" the used oil bin. I have also been thinking of adding an engine oil filter between the pump and the sprayer, not sure that the pump has enough power to push the solvent thru a filter. If it works, I might not need to change the solvent for many years. I know that there are water based solvents (Simple Green, etc) out there. Question is, how does one dispose of the water based solvent - I could flush it down the sanitary sewer - but does that not cause potential issues at the water treatment plant (I presume that there is still oil in the water emulsion)? What do you do? WHat do you suggest? Your local Hasardous Waste Collection Site should take spent Solvent. Safety Kleen may be more pricey but is much healthier on your hands. Varsol can eat away at your liver so isn't best choice. Diesel is Ok but smelly/oily and does not work as well. Filters will remove particles but not the hasardous materials. The older and more used solvent, the worse it gets. Water based products should not be used on precision parts...rust is possible on these parts if not completely dried. |
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On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 12:52:06 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sunday, 15 November 2009 21:04:48 UTC-5, wrote: As a hobbiest, I do not have the same option such as a service that changes out the parts washer solvent. I have a 20 gal parts washer with with a electric pump and sprayer. In the past I have used paint thinner as the solvent. A local paint supply store sold the thinner in bulk (at $2/gal, the price was right) and the evaporation was not too fast. Now I have to buy the paint thinner at retail. At the other end, disposing of the dirty solvent poses a problem for me. Lately, I have been thinking that if my solvent were say kerosene or diesel (an oil) maybe I could dispose of the dirty solvent with the used oil that my local autoparts accept for free. I do not want to be the person that "contaminates" the used oil bin. I have also been thinking of adding an engine oil filter between the pump and the sprayer, not sure that the pump has enough power to push the solvent thru a filter. If it works, I might not need to change the solvent for many years. I know that there are water based solvents (Simple Green, etc) out there. Question is, how does one dispose of the water based solvent - I could flush it down the sanitary sewer - but does that not cause potential issues at the water treatment plant (I presume that there is still oil in the water emulsion)? What do you do? WHat do you suggest? Your local Hasardous Waste Collection Site should take spent Solvent. Safety Kleen may be more pricey but is much healthier on your hands. Varsol can eat away at your liver so isn't best choice. Diesel is Ok but smelly/oily and does not work as well. Filters will remove particles but not the hasardous materials. The older and more used solvent, the worse it gets. Water based products should not be used on precision parts...rust is possible on these parts if not completely dried. Realizing this is an eight year old thread, I just want to say that 40 or so years ago, I had a small motorcycle shop. I used Safety Kleen and it was pretty cheap. The guy would come weekly, pick up the dirty drum and drop off a clean one. It was something of a luxury to always have clean solvent and again, it wasn't even close to being expensive. Of course, that was then.... |
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 07:19:43 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck
wrote: On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 12:52:06 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Sunday, 15 November 2009 21:04:48 UTC-5, wrote: As a hobbiest, I do not have the same option such as a service that changes out the parts washer solvent. I have a 20 gal parts washer with with a electric pump and sprayer. In the past I have used paint thinner as the solvent. A local paint supply store sold the thinner in bulk (at $2/gal, the price was right) and the evaporation was not too fast. Now I have to buy the paint thinner at retail. At the other end, disposing of the dirty solvent poses a problem for me. Lately, I have been thinking that if my solvent were say kerosene or diesel (an oil) maybe I could dispose of the dirty solvent with the used oil that my local autoparts accept for free. I do not want to be the person that "contaminates" the used oil bin. I have also been thinking of adding an engine oil filter between the pump and the sprayer, not sure that the pump has enough power to push the solvent thru a filter. If it works, I might not need to change the solvent for many years. I know that there are water based solvents (Simple Green, etc) out there. Question is, how does one dispose of the water based solvent - I could flush it down the sanitary sewer - but does that not cause potential issues at the water treatment plant (I presume that there is still oil in the water emulsion)? What do you do? WHat do you suggest? Your local Hasardous Waste Collection Site should take spent Solvent. Safety Kleen may be more pricey but is much healthier on your hands. Varsol can eat away at your liver so isn't best choice. Diesel is Ok but smelly/oily and does not work as well. Filters will remove particles but not the hasardous materials. The older and more used solvent, the worse it gets. Water based products should not be used on precision parts...rust is possible on these parts if not completely dried. Realizing this is an eight year old thread, I just want to say that 40 or so years ago, I had a small motorcycle shop. I used Safety Kleen and it was pretty cheap. The guy would come weekly, pick up the dirty drum and drop off a clean one. It was something of a luxury to always have clean solvent and again, it wasn't even close to being expensive. Of course, that was then... I've always had the "safety kleen" solution when at m,y place of work. I've also used old solvent type parts cleaning fluid as an accellerant to burn trash in the past. basically de-odorized Kerosene - or "parafin" |
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On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 12:10:51 PM UTC-4, Clare wrote:
On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 07:19:43 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck wrote: On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 12:52:06 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Sunday, 15 November 2009 21:04:48 UTC-5, wrote: As a hobbiest, I do not have the same option such as a service that changes out the parts washer solvent. I have a 20 gal parts washer with with a electric pump and sprayer. In the past I have used paint thinner as the solvent. A local paint supply store sold the thinner in bulk (at $2/gal, the price was right) and the evaporation was not too fast. Now I have to buy the paint thinner at retail. At the other end, disposing of the dirty solvent poses a problem for me. Lately, I have been thinking that if my solvent were say kerosene or diesel (an oil) maybe I could dispose of the dirty solvent with the used oil that my local autoparts accept for free. I do not want to be the person that "contaminates" the used oil bin. I have also been thinking of adding an engine oil filter between the pump and the sprayer, not sure that the pump has enough power to push the solvent thru a filter. If it works, I might not need to change the solvent for many years. I know that there are water based solvents (Simple Green, etc) out there. Question is, how does one dispose of the water based solvent - I could flush it down the sanitary sewer - but does that not cause potential issues at the water treatment plant (I presume that there is still oil in the water emulsion)? What do you do? WHat do you suggest? Your local Hasardous Waste Collection Site should take spent Solvent. Safety Kleen may be more pricey but is much healthier on your hands. Varsol can eat away at your liver so isn't best choice. Diesel is Ok but smelly/oily and does not work as well. Filters will remove particles but not the hasardous materials. The older and more used solvent, the worse it gets. Water based products should not be used on precision parts...rust is possible on these parts if not completely dried. Realizing this is an eight year old thread, I just want to say that 40 or so years ago, I had a small motorcycle shop. I used Safety Kleen and it was pretty cheap. The guy would come weekly, pick up the dirty drum and drop off a clean one. It was something of a luxury to always have clean solvent and again, it wasn't even close to being expensive. Of course, that was then... I've always had the "safety kleen" solution when at m,y place of work. I've also used old solvent type parts cleaning fluid as an accellerant to burn trash in the past. basically de-odorized Kerosene - or "parafin" Don't know whether it's still true, but back then, they told me that Safety Kleen was made from out of date jet fuel. That gave it a certain "coolness" factor. |
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rangerssuck writes:
Don't know whether it's still true, but back then, they told me that Safety= Kleen was made from out of date jet fuel. That gave it a certain "coolness= " factor. Jet A is ultra-pure Kerosene, nothing more. -- A host is a host from coast to & no one will talk to a host that's close.......................... Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 |
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On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 6:43:54 PM UTC-4, David Lesher wrote:
rangerssuck writes: Don't know whether it's still true, but back then, they told me that Safety= Kleen was made from out of date jet fuel. That gave it a certain "coolness= " factor. Jet A is ultra-pure Kerosene, nothing more. -- A host is a host from coast to & no one will talk to a host that's close.......................... Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 Not exactly, there are additives: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel And it does degrade over time: http://www.intertek.com/petroleum/te...e-degradation/ Anyhow, this was something told to me by The Safety Kleen sales guy who may have been full of it. |
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On Fri, 9 Mar 2018 09:52:04 -0800 (PST),
wrote: On Sunday, 15 November 2009 21:04:48 UTC-5, wrote: As a hobbiest, I do not have the same option such as a service that changes out the parts washer solvent. I have a 20 gal parts washer with with a electric pump and sprayer. In the past I have used paint thinner as the solvent. A local paint supply store sold the thinner in bulk (at $2/gal, the price was right) and the evaporation was not too fast. Now I have to buy the paint thinner at retail. At the other end, disposing of the dirty solvent poses a problem for me. Lately, I have been thinking that if my solvent were say kerosene or diesel (an oil) maybe I could dispose of the dirty solvent with the used oil that my local autoparts accept for free. I do not want to be the person that "contaminates" the used oil bin. I have also been thinking of adding an engine oil filter between the pump and the sprayer, not sure that the pump has enough power to push the solvent thru a filter. If it works, I might not need to change the solvent for many years. I know that there are water based solvents (Simple Green, etc) out there. Question is, how does one dispose of the water based solvent - I could flush it down the sanitary sewer - but does that not cause potential issues at the water treatment plant (I presume that there is still oil in the water emulsion)? What do you do? WHat do you suggest? Your local Hasardous Waste Collection Site should take spent Solvent. Safety Kleen may be more pricey but is much healthier on your hands. Varsol can eat away at your liver so isn't best choice. Diesel is Ok but smelly/oily and does not work as well. Filters will remove particles but not the hasardous materials. The older and more used solvent, the worse it gets. Water based products should not be used on precision parts...rust is possible on these parts if not completely dried. Water based products work very well..as long as you monitor your water/solvent properly and keep the ratios good https://www.google.com/search?q=wate...utf-8&oe=utf-8 I cant be specific....I work in California and anything other than water distilled by passing it through the sleeves of Communist Propagandists is illegal to use. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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