On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 18:03:29 -0500, Ignoramus31161
wrote:

On 2011-06-08, Karl Townsend wrote:
Man, Gunner, its going to take deep pockets to get that old limey bike
going. Unless you got a hard on for that unit, I'd part it out on flea
bay and use the profit to buy something more recent/common.

I got nothing against this fine old machine. I just remember the
SEVERE DRAIN to my wallet redoing an old Triumph. And then I slid it
under a car that pulled out in front of me.

I personally have a severe dislike for motorcycles.

I love 'em! But I no longer want to ride in today's traffic.
People no longer pay much attention to driving.


There is no such thing as a minor motorcycle road accident.

That's not quite true, Ig. I had to dump my bike and ride it into the
lady who not only pulled out in front of me, she stopped when she saw
me dump it. Luckily, I was only doing 35mph and could climb on. And
luckily, I was only doing about 15-20 mph when I hit her with my back
and head. Luckily, I had a helmet and thick jacket on. I got a bit of
jacket-spin road rash and a headache, but I was otherwise unharmed.

And I've seen people dump the bike in the ditch, hurdle the bars, and
run their way to a stop with no damage to themselves and little harm
to the bike when they avoided the idiot who didn't see them.

I've seen people slide to a stop in their riding leathers without too
much harm, too.

On the hurt end, a friend was riding a tricked out Kaw 100 dirt bike
on the freeway at about 90mph when the engine froze. He now has an
ABS kneecap (or different plastic 30 years later.)

Another took a jump too high on an old bike and the shocks broke off
the frame. He lost a couple discs to that hard landing.

Another hit the freeway WFO on his Kaw Ninja and it took the front
half of his head off when he landed upside down.

Another lost his life a year after dumping his road racing bike in a
race. He was a quadraplegic and unable to speak for most of that
time.

So, the damage varies.

--
Fleas can be taught nearly anything that a Congressman can.
-- Mark Twain

On 2011-06-09, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 18:03:29 -0500, Ignoramus31161
wrote:

On 2011-06-08, Karl Townsend wrote:
Man, Gunner, its going to take deep pockets to get that old limey bike
going. Unless you got a hard on for that unit, I'd part it out on flea
bay and use the profit to buy something more recent/common.

I got nothing against this fine old machine. I just remember the
SEVERE DRAIN to my wallet redoing an old Triumph. And then I slid it
under a car that pulled out in front of me.

I personally have a severe dislike for motorcycles.

I love 'em! But I no longer want to ride in today's traffic.
People no longer pay much attention to driving.

This is exactly why I feel so about motorcycles. Someone may be the
best rider in the world, but just one idiot with a cell phone can kill
you without even noticing.


There is no such thing as a minor motorcycle road accident.

That's not quite true, Ig. I had to dump my bike and ride it into the
lady who not only pulled out in front of me, she stopped when she saw
me dump it. Luckily, I was only doing 35mph and could climb on. And
luckily, I was only doing about 15-20 mph when I hit her with my back
and head. Luckily, I had a helmet and thick jacket on. I got a bit of
jacket-spin road rash and a headache, but I was otherwise unharmed.

And I've seen people dump the bike in the ditch, hurdle the bars, and
run their way to a stop with no damage to themselves and little harm
to the bike when they avoided the idiot who didn't see them.

I've seen people slide to a stop in their riding leathers without too
much harm, too.

On the hurt end, a friend was riding a tricked out Kaw 100 dirt bike
on the freeway at about 90mph when the engine froze. He now has an
ABS kneecap (or different plastic 30 years later.)

Another took a jump too high on an old bike and the shocks broke off
the frame. He lost a couple discs to that hard landing.

Another hit the freeway WFO on his Kaw Ninja and it took the front
half of his head off when he landed upside down.

Another lost his life a year after dumping his road racing bike in a
race. He was a quadraplegic and unable to speak for most of that
time.

So, the damage varies.


Scary. I would say, that people get hurt while doing stupid stuff like
90 mph rides, jumping, races etc, does not bother me as much.

What bothers me a lot more is that I could try to be the safest rider,
etc and still be killed, accidentally, by someone who might even be a
great person.

i

On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 23:01:01 -0500, Ignoramus31161
wrote:

On 2011-06-09, Larry Jaques wrote:
--snip--
So, the damage varies.


Scary. I would say, that people get hurt while doing stupid stuff like
90 mph rides, jumping, races etc, does not bother me as much.

It bothers the hell out of them, though, Mr. Compassionate.


What bothers me a lot more is that I could try to be the safest rider,
etc and still be killed, accidentally, by someone who might even be a
great person.

I'd be willing to bet that's the #1 reason so many people don't ride.
Then again, if you're a fatalist, when your number comes up, it
doesn't matter what you're in/on or where you are, so why worry?

As far as motorcycle accidents go, I'm afraid of living through a bad
one, ending up a quad or vegetable.

--
Never underestimate the innate animosity of inanimate objects.
--anon

On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 05:19:04 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:



Scary. I would say, that people get hurt while doing stupid stuff like
90 mph rides, jumping, races etc, does not bother me as much.

It bothers the hell out of them, though, Mr. Compassionate.


What bothers me a lot more is that I could try to be the safest rider,
etc and still be killed, accidentally, by someone who might even be a
great person.

I'd be willing to bet that's the #1 reason so many people don't ride.
Then again, if you're a fatalist, when your number comes up, it
doesn't matter what you're in/on or where you are, so why worry?

As far as motorcycle accidents go, I'm afraid of living through a bad
one, ending up a quad or vegetable.


I was following a truck along the road to work on a little Kawa KZ440 at 30
mph when a lady pulled out of a side road in a Mini and caught the near side
exhaust header on the front of the car. She'd assumed that there was nothing
following the truck.

I bounced along the road for a bit, without the bike, got up and walked back,
prepared to tear her a new orifice. I found her crying. She'd just picked the
car up and had driven it all of 150 yards. The Kawa was written off, the Mini
was written off (front subframe had a 2" skew in it). I was rather amazed at
the damage a bike can do to a car...


Mark Rand
RTFM

Sorry most of the attributions are gone; they were gone when I saw the
post....

Mark Rand writes:
On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 05:19:04 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:



Scary. I would say, that people get hurt while doing stupid stuff like
90 mph rides, jumping, races etc, does not bother me as much.

It bothers the hell out of them, though, Mr. Compassionate.

While getting hurt doing something risky would and should bother me, but
should not bother anybody else outside my direct family. And hopefully
they'd recognize that they were bothered because they were involved, and
not join or start stupid "educate people!" causes.

On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 23:39:40 +0100, Mark Rand
wrote:

On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 05:19:04 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:



Scary. I would say, that people get hurt while doing stupid stuff like
90 mph rides, jumping, races etc, does not bother me as much.

It bothers the hell out of them, though, Mr. Compassionate.


What bothers me a lot more is that I could try to be the safest rider,
etc and still be killed, accidentally, by someone who might even be a
great person.

I'd be willing to bet that's the #1 reason so many people don't ride.
Then again, if you're a fatalist, when your number comes up, it
doesn't matter what you're in/on or where you are, so why worry?

As far as motorcycle accidents go, I'm afraid of living through a bad
one, ending up a quad or vegetable.


I was following a truck along the road to work on a little Kawa KZ440 at 30
mph when a lady pulled out of a side road in a Mini and caught the near side
exhaust header on the front of the car. She'd assumed that there was nothing
following the truck.

I bounced along the road for a bit, without the bike, got up and walked back,
prepared to tear her a new orifice. I found her crying. She'd just picked the
car up and had driven it all of 150 yards.

Was the bitz crying for you or for her demolished car?


The Kawa was written off, the Mini
was written off (front subframe had a 2" skew in it). I was rather amazed at
the damage a bike can do to a car...

A new car? Believe it. They're all beer can thick any more.

--
Never underestimate the innate animosity of inanimate objects.
--anon

On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 23:39:40 +0100, Mark Rand
wrote:

On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 05:19:04 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:



Scary. I would say, that people get hurt while doing stupid stuff like
90 mph rides, jumping, races etc, does not bother me as much.

It bothers the hell out of them, though, Mr. Compassionate.


What bothers me a lot more is that I could try to be the safest rider,
etc and still be killed, accidentally, by someone who might even be a
great person.

I'd be willing to bet that's the #1 reason so many people don't ride.
Then again, if you're a fatalist, when your number comes up, it
doesn't matter what you're in/on or where you are, so why worry?

As far as motorcycle accidents go, I'm afraid of living through a bad
one, ending up a quad or vegetable.


I was following a truck along the road to work on a little Kawa KZ440 at 30
mph when a lady pulled out of a side road in a Mini and caught the near side
exhaust header on the front of the car. She'd assumed that there was nothing
following the truck.

I bounced along the road for a bit, without the bike, got up and walked back,
prepared to tear her a new orifice. I found her crying. She'd just picked the
car up and had driven it all of 150 yards. The Kawa was written off, the Mini
was written off (front subframe had a 2" skew in it). I was rather amazed at
the damage a bike can do to a car...


Mark Rand
RTFM

A couple..good friends of mine, drove their full dress Harley over to
Bakersfield the last night before moving out of town.

Just north of the dump road..they met a Chevy driven by and occupied by
4 drunk kids..in the wrong lane and doing 90 mph (CHP estimate)

Everyone was killed. Well..one kid died 2 days later after they
harvested everything they could. Nearly tore that car in half, right up
the middle. It took em over 3 hours to find Becky's head..it had come
off and sailed out into the oilfields some 200 yrds away.

RIP

Gunner

"As physicists now know, there is some nonzero probability that any object will,
through quantum effects, tunnel from the workbench in your shop to Floyds Knobs,
Indiana (unless your shop is already in Indiana, in which case the object will
tunnel to Trotters, North Dakota).

The smaller mass of the object, the higher the probability.
Therefore, disassembled parts, particularly small ones,
of machines disappear much faster than assembled machines."
Greg Dermer: rec.crafts.metalworking

On Jun 8, 6:41*pm, Larry Jaques
wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 18:03:29 -0500, Ignoramus31161

wrote:
On 2011-06-08, Karl Townsend wrote:
Man, Gunner, its going to take deep pockets to get that old limey bike
going. Unless you got a hard on for that unit, I'd part it out on flea
bay and use the profit to buy something more recent/common.

I got nothing against this fine old machine. I just remember the
SEVERE DRAIN to my wallet redoing an old Triumph. And then I slid it
under a car that pulled out in front of me.

I personally have a severe dislike for motorcycles.

I love 'em! *But I no longer want to ride in today's traffic.
People no longer pay much attention to driving.

There is no such thing as a minor motorcycle road accident.

That's not quite true, Ig. *I had to dump my bike and ride it into the
lady who not only pulled out in front of me, she stopped when she saw
me dump it. Luckily, I was only doing 35mph and could climb on. And
luckily, I was only doing about 15-20 mph when I hit her with my back
and head. *Luckily, I had a helmet and thick jacket on. I got a bit of
jacket-spin road rash and a headache, but I was otherwise unharmed.

And I've seen people dump the bike in the ditch, hurdle the bars, and
run their way to a stop with no damage to themselves and little harm
to the bike when they avoided the idiot who didn't see them.

I've seen people slide to a stop in their riding leathers without too
much harm, too.

On the hurt end, a friend was riding a tricked out Kaw 100 dirt bike
on the freeway at about 90mph when the engine froze. *He now has an
ABS kneecap (or different plastic 30 years later.)

Another took a jump too high on an old bike and the shocks broke off
the frame. He lost a couple discs to that hard landing.

Another hit the freeway WFO on his Kaw Ninja and it took the front
half of his head off when he landed upside down.

Another lost his life a year after dumping his road racing bike in a
race. *He was a quadraplegic and unable to speak for most of that
time.

So, the damage varies.

--
Fleas can be taught nearly anything that a Congressman can.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *-- Mark Twain

I have a friend that on a clear dry spring day was riding down a
residential street at 25 MPH when a gal backed out of her driveway and
he ended up with brain damage. He was wearing a helmet and what
happened was he slid int the curb, the helmet protected his skull but
the brain sloshed inside the skull and damaged the brain. So for 15
years now his life has been one very long migraine headache.

There was a waitress at Denny's that had 2 kids. Her youngest was
retarded and a lot of work. Her daughter just before her 18th
birthday was on the back of a quad runner when it flipped. The
waitress and her car salesman husband had to file bankruptcy over the
over one million dollars in medical bills.

While s*%t happens, my observation is that a motorcycle makes it a
whole lot likelier to happen.

Roger Shoaf