On 3/8/2011 12:15 PM, Ignoramus25935 wrote:
On 2011-03-08, Ed wrote:

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On Mar 8, 2:18 pm, wrote:


You know how conservatives like to talk about what fine, generous, and
giving people they are. But when it actually comes time to put out the
money it's a different story. It's like, we'd love to help the guy out
but we think it's probably better for him to find a way on his own to
pay for his obligations. If we helped him it might make him weak, and we
wouldn't want that to happen.

Hawke

According to an actual study Conservatives were found to be more
generous than Liberals.
It seems the Liberals thought the government should do the giving.

There's truth in that. But, as a study done a few years ago showed, the
large majority of it was religion-based and often socially coerced by the
religions involved. The correlation between conservatism and active practice
of a religion is quite high, as I'm sure you know.

The objection to substituting private charity for a government safety net is
that the wealthy individuals who are so generous tend to support those
people, and those ideas, that they favor -- and to hell with everyone else.
This idea has been floating around for at least 250 years and was a point of
contention before this country was founded. The real hard-core conservatives
who provided most of the thought that preceded today's "conservatism" --
people like Milton Friedman, Barry Goldwater and the like -- acknowledged
this point and proposed a negative income tax to deal with it.


"Giving" to their own churchres, is like charitable giving to one's
own golf club -- these "charitable donations" are club fees for
belonging to a social club/church.

i


If you discount that giving at church by conservatives you see what's
left. It doesn't amount to jack ****. Which only proves my point. It's
totally against conservatism to be generous. A conservative believes he
gets to keep what he has and you get your own. It just doesn't compute
to a conservative why he should give anything to anyone. They think if
you want something you should get it on your own and if you can't you
don't deserve to have it. The idea of giving to the poor is a Christian
idea but is sure isn't a conservative one.

Hawke