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On 3/8/2011 11:28 AM, wrote:
On Mar 8, 2:18 pm, wrote:


You know how conservatives like to talk about what fine, generous, and
giving people they are. But when it actually comes time to put out the
money it's a different story. It's like, we'd love to help the guy out
but we think it's probably better for him to find a way on his own to
pay for his obligations. If we helped him it might make him weak, and we
wouldn't want that to happen.

Hawke


According to an actual study Conservatives were found to be more
generous than Liberals.
It seems the Liberals thought the government should do the giving.

Dan



Aside from the fact that is is completely logical for the more
conservative to keep more of everything for themselves, one little study
doesn't prove otherwise. Besides, I have numerous personal examples of
conservatives whose habit is to give nothing to anyone and think that is
right and proper.

In addition, most of what qualifies as "conservative" giving is church
related, and we all know how biased they are in who they choose to help.
But the main thing is to compare how much private giving is compared to
what the government does. No comparison, by the way. The government does
far more than any private giving. Look at the government's contribution
to the hurricane Katrina victims and look what came from private
sources. Again, the government's share is huge in comparison. But in the
end I'd take my chances asking for help from someone that's liberal than
from a conservative any day of the week. I've already tried it in the
past. Conservatives always say no. They need the money.

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On Mar 9, 3:05*pm, Hawke wrote:
On 3/8/2011 11:28 AM, wrote:



On Mar 8, 2:18 pm, *wrote:


You know how conservatives like to talk about what fine, generous, and
giving people they are. But when it actually comes time to put out the
money it's a different story. It's like, we'd love to help the guy out
but we think it's probably better for him to find a way on his own to
pay for his obligations. If we helped him it might make him weak, and we
wouldn't want that to happen.


Hawke


According to an actual study Conservatives were found to be more
generous than Liberals.
It seems the Liberals thought the government should do the giving.


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Dan


Aside from the fact that is is completely logical for the more
conservative to keep more of everything for themselves, one little study
doesn't prove otherwise. Besides, I have numerous personal examples of
conservatives whose habit is to give nothing to anyone and think that is
right and proper.

In addition, most of what qualifies as "conservative" giving is church
related, and we all know how biased they are in who they choose to help.
But the main thing is to compare how much private giving is compared to
what the government does. No comparison, by the way. The government does
far more than any private giving. Look at the government's contribution
to the hurricane Katrina victims and look what came from private
sources. Again, the government's share is huge in comparison. But in the
end I'd take my chances asking for help from someone that's liberal than
from a conservative any day of the week. I've already tried it in the
past. Conservatives always say no. They need the money.

Hawke


All Bull****. Total how I think the world is without any facts or
figures.


Dan

Sixteen months ago, Arthur C. Brooks, a professor at Syracuse
University, published "Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About
Compassionate Conservatism." The surprise is that liberals are
markedly less charitable than conservatives.

Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood.

-- Residents of the states that voted for John Kerry in 2004 gave
smaller percentages of their incomes to charity than did residents of
states that voted for George Bush.

Reviewing Brooks' book in the Texas Review of Law & Politics, Justice
Willett notes that Austin -- it voted 56 percent for Kerry while he
was getting just 38 percent statewide -- is ranked by The Chronicle of
Philanthropy as 48th out of America's 50 largest cities in per capita
charitable giving. Brooks' data about disparities between liberals'
and conservatives' charitable giving fit these facts: Democrats
represent a majority of the wealthiest congressional districts, and
half of America's richest households live in states where both
senators are Democrats.

In 2000, brows were furrowed in perplexity because Vice President Al
Gore's charitable contributions, as a percentage of his income, were
below the national average: He gave 0.2 percent of his family income,
one-seventh of the average for donating households. But Gore "gave at
the office." By using public office to give other peoples' money to
government programs, he was being charitable, as liberals
increasingly, and conveniently, understand that word.
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