Report Card on Obama's First Two Years
By K.E. Campbell
Two years ago today, Barack Obama was inaugurated as president of the
United States. Are you better off today than you were two years ago?

Numbers don't lie, and here are the data on the impact he has had on the
lives of Americans:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/..._first_tw.html

On 2011-02-07, Steve W. wrote:


Report Card on Obama's First Two Years
By K.E. Campbell
Two years ago today, Barack Obama was inaugurated as president of the
United States. Are you better off today than you were two years ago?

Numbers don't lie, and here are the data on the impact he has had on the
lives of Americans:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/..._first_tw.html


The "hope and change" is working great for me.

I am far better off now than I was two year ago.

The American thinker report shows decent progress too. Stock market up
50% percent, cheaper housing, CPI up only 3.8%. In addition, American
thinker neglects to mention that we are in the midst of a broad
economic recovery that I call "Obama recovery".

Inflation and debt, doubtless, is a worry to me, to a greater extent
than the bond market seems to think.

i

Ignoramus31358 wrote:
On 2011-02-07, Steve W. wrote:


Report Card on Obama's First Two Years
By K.E. Campbell
Two years ago today, Barack Obama was inaugurated as president of the
United States. Are you better off today than you were two years ago?

Numbers don't lie, and here are the data on the impact he has had on
the lives of Americans:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/..._first_tw.html


The "hope and change" is working great for me.

I am far better off now than I was two year ago.

The American thinker report shows decent progress too. Stock market up
50% percent, cheaper housing, CPI up only 3.8%. In addition, American
thinker neglects to mention that we are in the midst of a broad
economic recovery that I call "Obama recovery".

Inflation and debt, doubtless, is a worry to me, to a greater extent
than the bond market seems to think.

i

I still can't find a job doing what I was doing - building commercial
cabinetry . This is because there is *NO* commercial construction going on
here to speak of . You might be better off , but there's still an awful lot
of people without jobs . A lot of people have dropped off the unemployment
rolls , which gives a skewed picture of the true situation .
I'm luckier than some , my wife's job is just barely enough to make ends
meet , and I contribute what I can when I can find work . I'm hoping my
handyman business picks up when the weather warms a bit , or this is gonna
be one mighty damn bleak summer .
--
Snag
Tightening my belt
one more notch .

"Snag" wrote in message
news
Ignoramus31358 wrote:
On 2011-02-07, Steve W. wrote:


Report Card on Obama's First Two Years
By K.E. Campbell
Two years ago today, Barack Obama was inaugurated as president of the
United States. Are you better off today than you were two years ago?

Numbers don't lie, and here are the data on the impact he has had on
the lives of Americans:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/..._first_tw.html


The "hope and change" is working great for me.

I am far better off now than I was two year ago.

The American thinker report shows decent progress too. Stock market up
50% percent, cheaper housing, CPI up only 3.8%. In addition, American
thinker neglects to mention that we are in the midst of a broad
economic recovery that I call "Obama recovery".

Inflation and debt, doubtless, is a worry to me, to a greater extent
than the bond market seems to think.

i

I still can't find a job doing what I was doing - building commercial
cabinetry . This is because there is *NO* commercial construction going on
here to speak of . You might be better off , but there's still an awful
lot of people without jobs . A lot of people have dropped off the
unemployment rolls , which gives a skewed picture of the true situation .
I'm luckier than some , my wife's job is just barely enough to make ends
meet , and I contribute what I can when I can find work . I'm hoping my
handyman business picks up when the weather warms a bit , or this is gonna
be one mighty damn bleak summer .


If you're twiddling your thumbs waiting for the next construction boom then
you have nobody to blame but yourself.

Hint:

Pretty much most of the money that had been going into your wallet during
the housing bubble was borrowed--and now it, ( along with the interest
paymenst ) are slowly being re-paid to the banksters and other speculative
"investors"....most whom are already extremely wealthy...

And to make matters worse, much of the ( Bush ) Bailout money straight went
into pockets ( at taxpayer expense ) of investment firm executives who had
made poor choices for their clients...yes, the same rich assholes that alway
come out as being against revoking any tax cuts that Bush had made for the
rich.

By the time Bush was done mucking things up we were losing jobs at the
astounding rate of 700,000 per month

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_...omestic_policy

"
Under the Bush Administration, real GDP grew at an average annual rate of
2.5%,[96] considerably below the average for business cycles from 1949 to
2000.[97][98] Bush entered office with the Dow Jones Industrial Average at
10,587, and the average peaked in October 2007 at over 14,000. When Bush
left office, the average was at 7,949, one of the lowest levels of his
presidency.[99] Unemployment originally rose from 4.2% in January 2001 to
6.3% in June 2003, but subsequently dropped to 4.5% as of July 2007.[100]
Adjusted for inflation, median household income dropped by $1,175 between
2000 and 2007,[101] while Professor Ken Homa of Georgetown University has
noted that "after-tax median household income increased by 2%"[102] The
poverty rate increased from 11.3% in 2000 to 12.3% in 2006 after peaking at
12.7% in 2004.[103] By October 2008, due to increases in domestic and
foreign spending,[104] the national debt had risen to $11.3
trillion,[105][106] an increase of over 100% from the start of the year 2000
when the debt was $5.6 trillion.[107][108] Most debt was accumulated as a
result of what became known as the "Bush tax cuts" and increased national
security spending.[109] By the end of Bush's presidency, unemployment
climbed to 7.2%.[110] The perception of Bush's effect on the economy is
significantly affected by partisanship.[111]

In December 2007, the United States entered the longest post-World War II
recession,[15] which included a housing market correction, a subprime
mortgage crisis, soaring oil prices, and a declining dollar value.[112] In
February, 63,000 jobs were lost, a five-year record.[113][114] To aid with
the situation, Bush signed a $170 billion economic stimulus package which
was intended to improve the economic situation by sending tax rebate checks
to many Americans and providing tax breaks for struggling businesses. The
Bush administration pushed for significantly increased regulation of Fannie
Mae and Freddie Mac in 2003,[115] and after two years, the regulations
passed the House but died in the Senate. Many Republican senators, as well
as influential members of the Bush Administration, feared that the agency
created by these regulations would merely be mimicking the private sector's
risky practices.[116][117] In September 2008, the crisis became much more
serious beginning with the government takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
followed by the collapse of Lehman Brothers[118] and a federal bailout of
American International Group for $85 billion.[119]

Many economists and world governments determined that the situation became
the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.[120][121] Additional
regulation over the housing market would have been beneficial, according to
former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan.[122] Bush, meanwhile,
proposed a financial rescue plan to buy back a large portion of the U.S.
mortgage market.[123] Vince Reinhardt, a former Federal Reserve economist
now at the American Enterprise Institute, said "it would have helped for the
Bush administration to empower the folks at Treasury and the Federal Reserve
and the comptroller of the currency and the FDIC to look at these issues
more closely", and additionally, that it would have helped "for Congress to
have held hearings".[117]

In November 2008, over 500,000 jobs were lost, which marked the largest loss
of jobs in the United States in 34 years.[124] The Bureau of Labor
Statistics reported that in the last four months of 2008, 1.9 million jobs
were lost.[125] By the end of 2008, the U.S. had lost a total of 2.6 million
jobs.[126]"



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"Snag" wrote in message

I still can't find a job doing what I was doing - building commercial
cabinetry . This is because there is *NO* commercial construction going
on

Oops--almost forgot...good luck finding a new job.

--

PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
"PrecisionmachinisT" wrote in message
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"Snag" wrote in message

I still can't find a job doing what I was doing - building
commercial cabinetry . This is because there is *NO* commercial
construction going on

Oops--almost forgot...good luck finding a new job.

--

I've quit looking , am working a handyman business now . I think it'll
work out , when the weather warms things should pick up .
BTW , I don't blame Bush , I don't blame Obammy , I don't blame
republicans or democrats . I blame all the politicians , those who "just
went along" , and those lined their pockets with special interest money .
The bankers and others couldn't have done what they did to us without the
complicity of those who make the laws that regulate them .
Follow the money .
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !

Snag wrote:

Ignoramus31358 wrote:
On 2011-02-07, Steve W. wrote:


Report Card on Obama's First Two Years
By K.E. Campbell
Two years ago today, Barack Obama was inaugurated as president of the
United States. Are you better off today than you were two years ago?

Numbers don't lie, and here are the data on the impact he has had on
the lives of Americans:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/..._first_tw.html


The "hope and change" is working great for me.

I am far better off now than I was two year ago.

The American thinker report shows decent progress too. Stock market up
50% percent, cheaper housing, CPI up only 3.8%. In addition, American
thinker neglects to mention that we are in the midst of a broad
economic recovery that I call "Obama recovery".

Inflation and debt, doubtless, is a worry to me, to a greater extent
than the bond market seems to think.

i

I still can't find a job doing what I was doing - building commercial
cabinetry. This is because there is *NO* commercial construction going on
here to speak of . You might be better off, but there's still an awful lot
of people without jobs . A lot of people have dropped off the unemployment
rolls, which gives a skewed picture of the true situation.
I'm luckier than some , my wife's job is just barely enough to make ends
meet, and I contribute what I can when I can find work. I'm hoping my
handyman business picks up when the weather warms a bit, or this is gonna
be one mighty damn bleak summer.


This area has seen a lot of retail businesses closing, along with
restaurants. Even thrift stores are going out of business.

Good luck with your handyman business. Word of mouth is your best
advertising. In Obama's economy a lot of people are doing without a
telephone, or are using that 100 minute a month free cell phone service
which doesn't go far.


--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Snag wrote:

Ignoramus31358 wrote:
On 2011-02-07, Steve W. wrote:


Report Card on Obama's First Two Years
By K.E. Campbell
Two years ago today, Barack Obama was inaugurated as president of
the United States. Are you better off today than you were two
years ago?

Numbers don't lie, and here are the data on the impact he has had
on the lives of Americans:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/..._first_tw.html


The "hope and change" is working great for me.

I am far better off now than I was two year ago.

The American thinker report shows decent progress too. Stock market
up 50% percent, cheaper housing, CPI up only 3.8%. In addition,
American thinker neglects to mention that we are in the midst of a
broad economic recovery that I call "Obama recovery".

Inflation and debt, doubtless, is a worry to me, to a greater extent
than the bond market seems to think.

i

I still can't find a job doing what I was doing - building
commercial cabinetry. This is because there is *NO* commercial
construction going on here to speak of . You might be better off,
but there's still an awful lot of people without jobs . A lot of
people have dropped off the unemployment rolls, which gives a skewed
picture of the true situation. I'm luckier than some , my wife's
job is just barely enough to make ends meet, and I contribute what I
can when I can find work. I'm hoping my handyman business picks up
when the weather warms a bit, or this is gonna be one mighty damn
bleak summer.


This area has seen a lot of retail businesses closing, along with
restaurants. Even thrift stores are going out of business.

Good luck with your handyman business. Word of mouth is your best
advertising. In Obama's economy a lot of people are doing without a
telephone, or are using that 100 minute a month free cell phone
service which doesn't go far.


--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because
it's Teflon coated.

Thanks , I've been down this road before . Last time I was self-employed
my main thing was home repairs and remodeling . I'm not exactly looking to
hump 4x8 plywood up stairs anymore ...
A little welding , fix a dishwasher , replace faucet washers looks more
attractive now ...
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !

On 2/7/2011 12:27 PM, Snag wrote:
Ignoramus31358 wrote:
On 2011-02-07, Steve wrote:


Report Card on Obama's First Two Years
By K.E. Campbell
Two years ago today, Barack Obama was inaugurated as president of the
United States. Are you better off today than you were two years ago?

Numbers don't lie, and here are the data on the impact he has had on
the lives of Americans:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/..._first_tw.html


The "hope and change" is working great for me.

I am far better off now than I was two year ago.

The American thinker report shows decent progress too. Stock market up
50% percent, cheaper housing, CPI up only 3.8%. In addition, American
thinker neglects to mention that we are in the midst of a broad
economic recovery that I call "Obama recovery".

Inflation and debt, doubtless, is a worry to me, to a greater extent
than the bond market seems to think.

i

I still can't find a job doing what I was doing - building commercial
cabinetry . This is because there is *NO* commercial construction going on
here to speak of . You might be better off , but there's still an awful lot
of people without jobs . A lot of people have dropped off the unemployment
rolls , which gives a skewed picture of the true situation .
I'm luckier than some , my wife's job is just barely enough to make ends
meet , and I contribute what I can when I can find work . I'm hoping my
handyman business picks up when the weather warms a bit , or this is gonna
be one mighty damn bleak summer .


Good luck, but you're in one of the hardest hit fields and one that is
going to be at the end of the line when it comes to turning around.
Unfortunately, construction work and housing is probably the worst area
of the economy. But when that does turn around things will really get
moving. I hope you can keep your head above water until that happens.

Hawke

On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 13:13:02 -0600, Ignoramus31358
wrote:

On 2011-02-07, Steve W. wrote:


Report Card on Obama's First Two Years
By K.E. Campbell
Two years ago today, Barack Obama was inaugurated as president of the
United States. Are you better off today than you were two years ago?

Numbers don't lie, and here are the data on the impact he has had on the
lives of Americans:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/..._first_tw.html


The "hope and change" is working great for me.

I am far better off now than I was two year ago.

What, specifically, has Obama done that has made you better off?


The American thinker report shows decent progress too. Stock market up
50% percent, cheaper housing, CPI up only 3.8%. In addition, American
thinker neglects to mention that we are in the midst of a broad
economic recovery that I call "Obama recovery".

Only a democrat in denial could think that hundreds of thousands of
homes in foreclosure, lowering the value of all properties, was a good
thing and call it "cheaper housing". You ought to be ashamed for
lying to yourself (and others) on that one, Ig.

--
If the American people ever allow private banks to control
the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by
deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up
around them will deprive the people of all property until
their children wake up homeless on the continent their
Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions
are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies...
The issuing power should be taken from the banks and
restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
--Thomas Jefferson

On 2011-02-08, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 13:13:02 -0600, Ignoramus31358
wrote:

On 2011-02-07, Steve W. wrote:


Report Card on Obama's First Two Years
By K.E. Campbell
Two years ago today, Barack Obama was inaugurated as president of the
United States. Are you better off today than you were two years ago?

Numbers don't lie, and here are the data on the impact he has had on the
lives of Americans:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/..._first_tw.html


The "hope and change" is working great for me.

I am far better off now than I was two year ago.

What, specifically, has Obama done that has made you better off?

Restored general confidence tat a collapse of everything will not be
allowed.


The American thinker report shows decent progress too. Stock market up
50% percent, cheaper housing, CPI up only 3.8%. In addition, American
thinker neglects to mention that we are in the midst of a broad
economic recovery that I call "Obama recovery".

Only a democrat in denial could think that hundreds of thousands of
homes in foreclosure, lowering the value of all properties, was a good
thing and call it "cheaper housing". You ought to be ashamed for
lying to yourself (and others) on that one, Ig.

Actually, yes, lower housing prices is a good and not a bad thing, it
means that houses are more affordable. As for those in foreclosure, it
simply is a result of loans that were given unwisely, at the time when
they were actually given.

You cannot blame Obama for a dumb loan made in 2007 to an
irresponsible borrower.

i

Ignoramus31358 wrote:
On 2011-02-08, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 13:13:02 -0600, Ignoramus31358
wrote:

On 2011-02-07, Steve W. wrote:


Report Card on Obama's First Two Years
By K.E. Campbell
Two years ago today, Barack Obama was inaugurated as president of
the United States. Are you better off today than you were two
years ago?

Numbers don't lie, and here are the data on the impact he has had
on the lives of Americans:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/..._first_tw.html


The "hope and change" is working great for me.

I am far better off now than I was two year ago.

What, specifically, has Obama done that has made you better off?

Restored general confidence tat a collapse of everything will not be
allowed.


The American thinker report shows decent progress too. Stock market
up 50% percent, cheaper housing, CPI up only 3.8%. In addition,
American thinker neglects to mention that we are in the midst of a
broad economic recovery that I call "Obama recovery".

Only a democrat in denial could think that hundreds of thousands of
homes in foreclosure, lowering the value of all properties, was a
good thing and call it "cheaper housing". You ought to be ashamed
for lying to yourself (and others) on that one, Ig.

Actually, yes, lower housing prices is a good and not a bad thing, it
means that houses are more affordable. As for those in foreclosure, it
simply is a result of loans that were given unwisely, at the time when
they were actually given.

You cannot blame Obama for a dumb loan made in 2007 to an
irresponsible borrower.

i

But we CAN blame those who forced banks to make loans they shouldn't have
made in the first place - they're called "politicians" .

--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !

Snag wrote:
Ignoramus31358 wrote:
On 2011-02-08, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 13:13:02 -0600, Ignoramus31358
wrote:

On 2011-02-07, Steve W. wrote:

Report Card on Obama's First Two Years
By K.E. Campbell
Two years ago today, Barack Obama was inaugurated as president of
the United States. Are you better off today than you were two
years ago?

Numbers don't lie, and here are the data on the impact he has had
on the lives of Americans:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/..._first_tw.html

The "hope and change" is working great for me.

I am far better off now than I was two year ago.
What, specifically, has Obama done that has made you better off?
Restored general confidence tat a collapse of everything will not be
allowed.

The American thinker report shows decent progress too. Stock market
up 50% percent, cheaper housing, CPI up only 3.8%. In addition,
American thinker neglects to mention that we are in the midst of a
broad economic recovery that I call "Obama recovery".
Only a democrat in denial could think that hundreds of thousands of
homes in foreclosure, lowering the value of all properties, was a
good thing and call it "cheaper housing". You ought to be ashamed
for lying to yourself (and others) on that one, Ig.
Actually, yes, lower housing prices is a good and not a bad thing, it
means that houses are more affordable. As for those in foreclosure, it
simply is a result of loans that were given unwisely, at the time when
they were actually given.

You cannot blame Obama for a dumb loan made in 2007 to an
irresponsible borrower.

i

But we CAN blame those who forced banks to make loans they shouldn't have
made in the first place - they're called "politicians" .


SNAG, YOU HAVE IT ALL BACKWARDS!

The bankers paid the politicians to change those old laws -
so they could make buckets of bucks!



--

Richard Lamb
email me:
web site: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb

On 2011-02-08, Snag wrote:
Ignoramus31358 wrote:
On 2011-02-08, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 13:13:02 -0600, Ignoramus31358
wrote:

On 2011-02-07, Steve W. wrote:


Report Card on Obama's First Two Years
By K.E. Campbell
Two years ago today, Barack Obama was inaugurated as president of
the United States. Are you better off today than you were two
years ago?

Numbers don't lie, and here are the data on the impact he has had
on the lives of Americans:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/..._first_tw.html


The "hope and change" is working great for me.

I am far better off now than I was two year ago.

What, specifically, has Obama done that has made you better off?

Restored general confidence tat a collapse of everything will not be
allowed.


The American thinker report shows decent progress too. Stock market
up 50% percent, cheaper housing, CPI up only 3.8%. In addition,
American thinker neglects to mention that we are in the midst of a
broad economic recovery that I call "Obama recovery".

Only a democrat in denial could think that hundreds of thousands of
homes in foreclosure, lowering the value of all properties, was a
good thing and call it "cheaper housing". You ought to be ashamed
for lying to yourself (and others) on that one, Ig.

Actually, yes, lower housing prices is a good and not a bad thing, it
means that houses are more affordable. As for those in foreclosure, it
simply is a result of loans that were given unwisely, at the time when
they were actually given.

You cannot blame Obama for a dumb loan made in 2007 to an
irresponsible borrower.

i

But we CAN blame those who forced banks to make loans they shouldn't have
made in the first place - they're called "politicians" .


I agree with that, yes.

i

On 2/8/2011 4:08 AM, Snag wrote:
Ignoramus31358 wrote:
On 2011-02-08, Larry wrote:
On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 13:13:02 -0600, Ignoramus31358
wrote:

On 2011-02-07, Steve wrote:


Report Card on Obama's First Two Years
By K.E. Campbell
Two years ago today, Barack Obama was inaugurated as president of
the United States. Are you better off today than you were two
years ago?

Numbers don't lie, and here are the data on the impact he has had
on the lives of Americans:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/..._first_tw.html


The "hope and change" is working great for me.

I am far better off now than I was two year ago.

What, specifically, has Obama done that has made you better off?

Restored general confidence tat a collapse of everything will not be
allowed.


The American thinker report shows decent progress too. Stock market
up 50% percent, cheaper housing, CPI up only 3.8%. In addition,
American thinker neglects to mention that we are in the midst of a
broad economic recovery that I call "Obama recovery".

Only a democrat in denial could think that hundreds of thousands of
homes in foreclosure, lowering the value of all properties, was a
good thing and call it "cheaper housing". You ought to be ashamed
for lying to yourself (and others) on that one, Ig.

Actually, yes, lower housing prices is a good and not a bad thing, it
means that houses are more affordable. As for those in foreclosure, it
simply is a result of loans that were given unwisely, at the time when
they were actually given.

You cannot blame Obama for a dumb loan made in 2007 to an
irresponsible borrower.

i

But we CAN blame those who forced banks to make loans they shouldn't have
made in the first place - they're called "politicians" .

Nobody "forced" banks to make loans. Where did you get that cockeyed
idea? The banks wanted to make those bad loans. They were immune from
loss if they went bad because of how they set the system up. They made
loans they knew were bad and then sold them to someone else. The lender
made their money and it didn't matter to them if the borrower couldn't
pay. So nobody from the government came around and made them do that.
Greed did. And nobody from the government paying any attention to what
they were doing. By the way, that was the Bush administration's fault.

Hawke

On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 21:18:21 -0600, Ignoramus31358
wrote:

On 2011-02-08, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 13:13:02 -0600, Ignoramus31358
wrote:

On 2011-02-07, Steve W. wrote:


Report Card on Obama's First Two Years
By K.E. Campbell
Two years ago today, Barack Obama was inaugurated as president of the
United States. Are you better off today than you were two years ago?

Numbers don't lie, and here are the data on the impact he has had on the
lives of Americans:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/..._first_tw.html


The "hope and change" is working great for me.

I am far better off now than I was two year ago.

What, specifically, has Obama done that has made you better off?

Restored general confidence tat a collapse of everything will not be
allowed.

"Here's a trillion. Please don't collapse." Rinse, repeat. sigh

No, I mean physically "done", not "said" or "hoped for".
No etherics, please.

And on the flip side, terror from the realities of Obamacare hasn't
yet saturated the public's awareness, but expect absolute panic when
it finally does.


The American thinker report shows decent progress too. Stock market up
50% percent, cheaper housing, CPI up only 3.8%. In addition, American
thinker neglects to mention that we are in the midst of a broad
economic recovery that I call "Obama recovery".

Only a democrat in denial could think that hundreds of thousands of
homes in foreclosure, lowering the value of all properties, was a good
thing and call it "cheaper housing". You ought to be ashamed for
lying to yourself (and others) on that one, Ig.

Actually, yes, lower housing prices is a good and not a bad thing, it
means that houses are more affordable. As for those in foreclosure, it
simply is a result of loans that were given unwisely, at the time when
they were actually given.

I'm sorry. I forgot that you were a True Believer of The Chosen One.


You cannot blame Obama for a dumb loan made in 2007 to an
irresponsible borrower.

I sure as hell _can_! He helped creat, as well as tremendously
expand, fully irresponsible LOANERS.

He was one of the senators who pushed the hell out of the Powers That
Be in D.C. (on the boards of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, in Congress,
and in the media) to loan more money to people (primarily, blacks) who
could not afford a home. that meant they were loaning to people of all
color who couldn't afford homes. You can verify that via the
Democratic Black Caucus. And he turned ACORN into what it was, a
thuggish mob ready to show people how to cheat the gov't. (See ACORN
scandal movies, etc.)

I didn't catch the Obama interview on O'Reilly last Saturday, did you?

--
Education should provide the tools for a widening and deepening
of life, for increased appreciation of all one sees or experiences.
It should equip a person to live life well, to understand what is
happening around him, for to live life well one must live life with
awareness. -- Louis L'Amour

On Tue, 8 Feb 2011 08:42:48 -0700, Steve Ackman
wrote:

In , on Tue, 08 Feb 2011
05:17:55 -0800, Larry Jaques, wrote:

On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 21:18:21 -0600, Ignoramus31358
wrote:

I'm sorry. I forgot that you were a True Believer of The Chosen One.

Larry, you're the one who first mentioned ch. 4 in
Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion. (Thanks for
that, btw -- took me a while to get around to it, but
I'm finally on the last chapter)

Jewelcome. Ed Huntress, I believe, turned me on to that several years
ago. I was happy to pass it on. Great book, isn't it? The jewelry
sale was another thing that caught my eye. (Store owner couldn't sell
pieces at $5, left instructions for the clerk to run 'em at 2/5 while
she left for the weekend/ vacation, clerk mistook that for $25 and
sold them all that weekend at the increased price, IIRC.)


Remember, once the prophesied occurences don't, the
faithful become even more rabidly faithful.

I didn't catch the Obama interview on O'Reilly last Saturday, did you?

Not at the time, but it's available.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3SX0lRWjEk

I'll definitely have to watch the squirming, though I'm sure it was an
entirely scripted scene. I don't think The O's handlers let him talk
freely. Is this guy another (slightly more tanned) version of Slick
Willy, or what?

the Muslim Brotherhood, "there are strains of their ideology which
are anti-US"? Sheeeeeeit, what an understatement.

--
Education should provide the tools for a widening and deepening
of life, for increased appreciation of all one sees or experiences.
It should equip a person to live life well, to understand what is
happening around him, for to live life well one must live life with
awareness. -- Louis L'Amour

On Feb 7, 10:18*pm, Ignoramus31358 ignoramus31...@NOSPAM.
31358.invalid wrote:


What, specifically, has Obama done that has made you better off?

Restored general confidence tat a collapse of everything will not be
allowed.




Actually, yes, lower housing prices is a good and not a bad thing, it
means that houses are more affordable. As for those in foreclosure, it
simply is a result of loans that were given unwisely, at the time when
they were actually given.

You cannot blame Obama for a dumb loan made in 2007 to an
irresponsible borrower.

i


I do not believe that Obama restored confidence. I had confidence,
but it was shaken when Obama put the emphasis on the Health Care
instead of the economy. And it is somewhat shaken by the increase in
the national debt.

Lower house prices are a good thing, unless one wants to sell their
house or in my case some land. The land was acquired back in 1975 for
cash so no problem with loans. Just not much market for land and the
real estate taxes still have to be paid. According to the evalution
for taxes the land has gone down in value by 87k$ from 2010 to 2011.
That time period is all on OBama's watch. Problems selling applies
regardless of whether the loans were prudent or unwise.

Dan

wrote in message
...


According to the evalution
for taxes the land has gone down in value by 87k$ from 2010 to 2011.
That time period is all on OBama's watch.


Bush caused 9/11

Happened on his watch....
--

I figured the taxes of Clinton, and the stagflation of
Carter. In both cases, I understimated our Community
Organizer in Chief.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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wrote in message
...


I do not believe that Obama restored confidence. I had
confidence,
but it was shaken when Obama put the emphasis on the Health
Care
instead of the economy. And it is somewhat shaken by the
increase in
the national debt.


Dan

On Feb 8, 8:20*am, " wrote:
On Feb 7, 10:18*pm, Ignoramus31358 ignoramus31...@NOSPAM.





31358.invalid wrote:

What, specifically, has Obama done that has made you better off?

Restored general confidence tat a collapse of everything will not be
allowed.

Actually, yes, lower housing prices is a good and not a bad thing, it
means that houses are more affordable. As for those in foreclosure, it
simply is a result of loans that were given unwisely, at the time when
they were actually given.

You cannot blame Obama for a dumb loan made in 2007 to an
irresponsible borrower.

i

I do not believe that Obama restored confidence. *I had confidence,
but it was shaken when Obama put the emphasis on the Health Care
instead of the economy. *And it is somewhat shaken by the increase in
the national debt.

Lower house prices are a good thing, unless one wants to sell their
house or in my case some land. *The land was acquired back in 1975 for
cash so no problem with loans. *Just not much market for land and the
real estate taxes still have to be paid. * According to the evalution
for taxes the land has gone down in value by 87k$ from 2010 to 2011.
That time period is all on OBama's watch. *Problems selling *applies
regardless of whether the loans were prudent or unwise.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Dan- Hide quoted text -

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Dan...when things are going to hell, you put the biggest fire out
first.

Medical costs in this Country WAS and still IS the biggest fire...with
projections that it will outstrip the entire GNP in the near future.

Job production was #2...and the Obama stimilus was and still is
considered to be a temporary bandaid.

If there is anyone who should be hung by their thumbs, it is the
Repubicans for delaying work on the needs of America...their behavior
has cost both you and me BILLIONS.

TMT

On 2/7/2011 7:18 PM, Ignoramus31358 wrote:
On 2011-02-08, Larry wrote:
On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 13:13:02 -0600, Ignoramus31358
wrote:

On 2011-02-07, Steve wrote:


Report Card on Obama's First Two Years
By K.E. Campbell
Two years ago today, Barack Obama was inaugurated as president of the
United States. Are you better off today than you were two years ago?

Numbers don't lie, and here are the data on the impact he has had on the
lives of Americans:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/..._first_tw.html


The "hope and change" is working great for me.

I am far better off now than I was two year ago.

What, specifically, has Obama done that has made you better off?

Restored general confidence tat a collapse of everything will not be
allowed.


The American thinker report shows decent progress too. Stock market up
50% percent, cheaper housing, CPI up only 3.8%. In addition, American
thinker neglects to mention that we are in the midst of a broad
economic recovery that I call "Obama recovery".

Only a democrat in denial could think that hundreds of thousands of
homes in foreclosure, lowering the value of all properties, was a good
thing and call it "cheaper housing". You ought to be ashamed for
lying to yourself (and others) on that one, Ig.

Actually, yes, lower housing prices is a good and not a bad thing, it
means that houses are more affordable. As for those in foreclosure, it
simply is a result of loans that were given unwisely, at the time when
they were actually given.

You cannot blame Obama for a dumb loan made in 2007 to an
irresponsible borrower.


Oh yes he can. You underestimate the inability to think straight when it
comes to people on the right. For them, they want to blame Obama for
everything even if it's obvious he had nothing to do with it. It has to
do with not facing the truth, which is that the people he voted into
office, caused our problems. People like him won't admit the truth so
they make it up any way they want it to be. So for guys like him every
thing that goes wrong is Obama's fault and none of the blame goes to the
republicans. After all, it makes him look bad too. He and others like
him voted Bush and Company in office. That means he is largely
responsible for the damage they did when in office. So rather than admit
the truth they look to lay blame on someone else. For him it's always a
Democrat. It has nothing to do with reality it's all about creating the
fantasy he wants to believe. It's that and simple denial. You'd be
surprised what they can do with those two things.

Hawke

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 13:13:02 -0600, Ignoramus31358
wrote:

On 2011-02-07, Steve W. wrote:


Report Card on Obama's First Two Years
By K.E. Campbell
Two years ago today, Barack Obama was inaugurated as president of the
United States. Are you better off today than you were two years ago?

Numbers don't lie, and here are the data on the impact he has had on the
lives of Americans:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/..._first_tw.html


The "hope and change" is working great for me.

I am far better off now than I was two year ago.

What, specifically, has Obama done that has made you better off?


My 27 yo son was laid off of his job in construction in ~ 2007 where he had
been employed for nearly a decade building apartment buildings in the US for
a Canadian "Investment firm"...

Eventually, he was unable to keep up with Cobra insurance premiums and so he
had to drop his ( as well as my grandkid's ) health insurance after an 18
months time period finally elapsed.

Fast forward 7 months where he again became against all odds employed
working for a paving company that was fixing the deteriorated interstate
road systems in our region.

All a Sudden No big surprise

My 4 yo grand daughter gets excluded because of "pre existing conditions"
same carrier even

**** them **** all of you inthe insurance industry and **** all of you tha
SUPPORT THEIR BULL**** PROFIT CLAims we ****ing work all of our life and
next thing we know we are getting ****ed on and my grand daughter with
leukemia gets the shaft and my son goes entirely bankrupt.


He has already lost everything and is now
almost two decades late in even starting a retirement account


--

On 2011-02-09, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:

My 27 yo son was laid off of his job in construction in ~ 2007 where he had
been employed for nearly a decade building apartment buildings in the US for
a Canadian "Investment firm"...

Eventually, he was unable to keep up with Cobra insurance premiums and so he
had to drop his ( as well as my grandkid's ) health insurance after an 18
months time period finally elapsed.

Fast forward 7 months where he again became against all odds employed
working for a paving company that was fixing the deteriorated interstate
road systems in our region.

All a Sudden No big surprise

My 4 yo grand daughter gets excluded because of "pre existing conditions"
same carrier even

**** them **** all of you inthe insurance industry and **** all of you tha
SUPPORT THEIR BULL**** PROFIT CLAims we ****ing work all of our life and
next thing we know we are getting ****ed on and my grand daughter with
leukemia gets the shaft and my son goes entirely bankrupt.


He has already lost everything and is now
almost two decades late in even starting a retirement account



Very sad. Many people fear a catastrophe risk like this, for good
reasons.

In fact, if people knew that they can have affordable medical
coverage, more of them would become entrepreneurs instead of being
stuck in jobs just because of medical coverage.

i

"Ignoramus25972" wrote in message
...
On 2011-02-09, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:

My 27 yo son was laid off of his job in construction in ~ 2007 where he
had
been employed for nearly a decade building apartment buildings in the US
for
a Canadian "Investment firm"...

Eventually, he was unable to keep up with Cobra insurance premiums and so
he
had to drop his ( as well as my grandkid's ) health insurance after an 18
months time period finally elapsed.

Fast forward 7 months where he again became against all odds employed
working for a paving company that was fixing the deteriorated interstate
road systems in our region.

All a Sudden No big surprise

My 4 yo grand daughter gets excluded because of "pre existing conditions"
same carrier even

**** them **** all of you inthe insurance industry and **** all of you
tha
SUPPORT THEIR BULL**** PROFIT CLAims we ****ing work all of our life and
next thing we know we are getting ****ed on and my grand daughter with
leukemia gets the shaft and my son goes entirely bankrupt.


He has already lost everything and is now
almost two decades late in even starting a retirement account



Very sad. Many people fear a catastrophe risk like this, for good
reasons.

In fact, if people knew that they can have affordable medical
coverage, more of them would become entrepreneurs instead of being
stuck in jobs just because of medical coverage.

i

I think, perhaps, but not necessarily, also that they would start savings
accounts, not buy that 196" PlasmaTron HiDef TV WITH surround sound, not buy
a new car every 18 months, eat out less, not have to wear those $60 jeans
and $300 cowboy boots, not pay $12 for a tube of lipstick, not pay $150 to
take the family out to dinner, and find other ways to set aside money for
the important things in life.

Some people lose it all through no fault of their own, and went down with an
admirable fight. Others live from paycheck to credit card, and wail when
the bill comes in the mail.

We do need some reforms in the insurance situation. Those reforms do not
include providing better health care for criminals than our own citizens,
and then putting the burden of payment on the backs of people who do
actually work. Your son and granddaughter are fighting a valiant fight.
Too bad they're not Mexican citizens who have been in the us for nine years
but can't speak English yet. Their hospital care would be a walk-through.

Steve

On Feb 9, 1:42*am, "PrecisionmachinisT"
wrote:
"Larry Jaques" wrote in message

...





On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 13:13:02 -0600, Ignoramus31358
wrote:

On 2011-02-07, Steve W. wrote:

Report Card on Obama's First Two Years
By K.E. Campbell
Two years ago today, Barack Obama was inaugurated as president of the
United States. *Are you better off today than you were two years ago?

Numbers don't lie, and here are the data on the impact he has had on the
lives of Americans:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/...bamas_first_tw....

The "hope and change" is working great for me.

I am far better off now than I was two year ago.

What, specifically, has Obama done that has made you better off?

My 27 yo son was laid off of his job in construction in ~ 2007 where he had
been employed for nearly a decade building apartment buildings in the US for
a Canadian "Investment firm"...

Eventually, he was unable to keep up with Cobra insurance premiums and so he
had to drop his ( as well as my grandkid's ) health insurance after an 18
months time period finally elapsed.

Fast forward 7 months where he again became against all odds employed
working for a paving company that was fixing the deteriorated interstate
road systems in our region.

All a Sudden * No big surprise

My 4 yo grand daughter gets excluded because of "pre existing conditions"
same carrier even

**** them **** all of you inthe insurance industry and **** all of you tha
SUPPORT THEIR BULL**** PROFIT CLAims we ****ing work all of our life and
next thing we know we are getting ****ed on and my grand daughter with
leukemia gets the shaft and my son goes entirely bankrupt.

He has already lost everything and is now
almost two decades late in even starting a retirement account

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Your son's employment at the pavement company was a direct result of
the Obama injection of Government spending for economic
stimulus...something the Republicans were and are still against.

It is a well known fact that the infrastructure of the United States
is in dire need of repair.

I wish your son and his family the best in the future.

TMT

On 2/7/2011 11:13 AM, Ignoramus31358 wrote:
On 2011-02-07, Steve wrote:


Report Card on Obama's First Two Years
By K.E. Campbell
Two years ago today, Barack Obama was inaugurated as president of the
United States. Are you better off today than you were two years ago?

Numbers don't lie, and here are the data on the impact he has had on the
lives of Americans:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/..._first_tw.html


The "hope and change" is working great for me.

I am far better off now than I was two year ago.

The American thinker report shows decent progress too. Stock market up
50% percent, cheaper housing, CPI up only 3.8%. In addition, American
thinker neglects to mention that we are in the midst of a broad
economic recovery that I call "Obama recovery".

Inflation and debt, doubtless, is a worry to me, to a greater extent
than the bond market seems to think.

i


I second that. I'm a lot better off financially now than I was two years
ago. I also see the country in a lot better shape than it was two years
ago two. Our standing in the world is much better. We're at least moving
in the right direction now and are not still digging ourselves into a
hole. Are things great? Nope. We still have a ton of problems that we
have to solve. But at least they are being worked on instead of being
ignored as we wait for the markets to improve everyone's life. When you
consider where we were when Obama walked in the door and where we are
now, and where we're headed in the next two years, things are looking
way up from where they were two years ago. So I give Obama high marks
for his job so far. Not like Bush, who I fail.

Hawke

"Steve W." wrote in message
...


Report Card on Obama's First Two Years
By K.E. Campbell
Two years ago today, Barack Obama was inaugurated as president of the
United States. Are you better off today than you were two years ago?

Numbers don't lie, and here are the data on the impact he has had on the
lives of Americans:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/..._first_tw.html


How stupid do they think their readers are? We all know when the recession
started and more-or-less the policies that caused it.

Why do they not show when these numbers started trending in a bad direction
and when they started trending in a good direction?

When a ship is steaming full tilt backwards into a reef, and a new captain
takes over and reverses the engines, will its motion suddenly reverse? No,
it will gradually slow its backward movement and then start moving forwards
taking some time until it again reaches that point where the more attentive
captain took over.

On 2011-02-07, anorton wrote:

"Steve W." wrote in message
...


Report Card on Obama's First Two Years
By K.E. Campbell
Two years ago today, Barack Obama was inaugurated as president of the
United States. Are you better off today than you were two years ago?

Numbers don't lie, and here are the data on the impact he has had on the
lives of Americans:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/..._first_tw.html


How stupid do they think their readers are? We all know when the recession
started and more-or-less the policies that caused it.

Why do they not show when these numbers started trending in a bad direction
and when they started trending in a good direction?

When a ship is steaming full tilt backwards into a reef, and a new captain
takes over and reverses the engines, will its motion suddenly reverse? No,
it will gradually slow its backward movement and then start moving forwards
taking some time until it again reaches that point where the more attentive
captain took over.


What did you expect from them, honest analysis?

i

Ignoramus31358 wrote:
On 2011-02-07, anorton wrote:

"Steve W." wrote in message
...


Report Card on Obama's First Two Years
By K.E. Campbell
Two years ago today, Barack Obama was inaugurated as president of
the United States. Are you better off today than you were two
years ago?

Numbers don't lie, and here are the data on the impact he has had
on the lives of Americans:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/..._first_tw.html


How stupid do they think their readers are? We all know when the
recession started and more-or-less the policies that caused it.

Why do they not show when these numbers started trending in a bad
direction and when they started trending in a good direction?

When a ship is steaming full tilt backwards into a reef, and a new
captain takes over and reverses the engines, will its motion
suddenly reverse? No, it will gradually slow its backward movement
and then start moving forwards taking some time until it again
reaches that point where the more attentive captain took over.


What did you expect from them, honest analysis?

i

Well , uh , yes !

--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !

"anorton" wrote in message
news

"Steve W." wrote in message
...


Report Card on Obama's First Two Years
By K.E. Campbell
Two years ago today, Barack Obama was inaugurated as president of the
United States. Are you better off today than you were two years ago?

Numbers don't lie, and here are the data on the impact he has had on the
lives of Americans:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/..._first_tw.html


How stupid do they think their readers are? We all know when the
recession started and more-or-less the policies that caused it.

Yes, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and their, everyone should own a home
policies, which
include Fannie May and Freddie Mac buying up the mortgages, banks were
forced to make
under boycot threats.
And Alan Greenspan making money to cheap for to long.
Mikek

I think the recession started with the implementing of
massive "stimulus" deficit spending. This destroyed consumer
confidence. Combined with regulations, taxes, and
prohibiting businsess action like drilling in Gulf of
Mexico. Has really damaged the economy.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"anorton" wrote in
message
news
How stupid do they think their readers are? We all know
when the recession
started and more-or-less the policies that caused it.

Why do they not show when these numbers started trending in
a bad direction
and when they started trending in a good direction?

When a ship is steaming full tilt backwards into a reef, and
a new captain
takes over and reverses the engines, will its motion
suddenly reverse? No,
it will gradually slow its backward movement and then start
moving forwards
taking some time until it again reaches that point where the
more attentive
captain took over.

On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 13:00:48 -0500, "Steve W."
wrote:



Report Card on Obama's First Two Years
By K.E. Campbell
Two years ago today, Barack Obama was inaugurated as president of the
United States. Are you better off today than you were two years ago?

Numbers don't lie, and here are the data on the impact he has had on the
lives of Americans:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/..._first_tw.html


Policrap posting.

In my social circle. Prices are up. Unemployment is up. The
economy is a mess. I trace it all back to "stimulus" waste
of my money. Inflation, and business killing presidential
directives, like prohibiting oil drilling. I'd take Bush II
back, any day. Along with conservatives in the house and
senate. Not necessarily Republicans, but definitely
conservatives.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Steve W." wrote in message
...


Report Card on Obama's First Two Years
By K.E. Campbell
Two years ago today, Barack Obama was inaugurated as
president of the
United States. Are you better off today than you were two
years ago?

Numbers don't lie, and here are the data on the impact he
has had on the
lives of Americans:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/..._first_tw.html

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...


the economy is a mess. I trace it all back to "stimulus" waste
of my money.

Except we all know that you don't pay any taxes.

--

PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...


the economy is a mess. I trace it all back to "stimulus" waste
of my money.

Except we all know that you don't pay any taxes.

--

And how do we know this ???

--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !

"Snag" wrote in message
...
PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...


the economy is a mess. I trace it all back to "stimulus" waste
of my money.

Except we all know that you don't pay any taxes.

--

And how do we know this ???


I guess I'll retract the "we" part...

Anyways, it's pretty obvious if you've followed his postings for any length
of time...which, apparently, some here haven't.

Chris only works part time *at best*

--mostly relying on members of his church for the occasional odd job picking
locks or attempting to troubleshooti and repair hvac systems.
--

And supposing I work part time at best. Are you implying
that racist, homophobe, child molesting, capitalist,
Republican voting, part time workers who drink milk out of
the jug pay no taxes?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"PrecisionmachinisT" wrote in
message
news:B56dndcN2ZEi5M3QnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@scnresearch. com...


And how do we know this ???


I guess I'll retract the "we" part...

Anyways, it's pretty obvious if you've followed his postings
for any length
of time...which, apparently, some here haven't.

Chris only works part time *at best*

--mostly relying on members of his church for the occasional
odd job picking
locks or attempting to troubleshooti and repair hvac
systems.
--

On 2011-02-07, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:

"Snag" wrote in message
...
PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...


the economy is a mess. I trace it all back to "stimulus" waste
of my money.

Except we all know that you don't pay any taxes.

--

And how do we know this ???


I guess I'll retract the "we" part...

Anyways, it's pretty obvious if you've followed his postings for any length
of time...which, apparently, some here haven't.

Chris only works part time *at best*

--mostly relying on members of his church for the occasional odd job picking
locks or attempting to troubleshooti and repair hvac systems.


I would be shocked if this Storming Mormon paid any income taxes. I
agree with your assessment of his economic situation.

i

Same way that he knows I'm a racist, homophobe, child
molestor, and a greedy capitalist. Oh, and I have been known
to vote Republican. I also drink milk out of the jug.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Snag"
wrote in message ...


Except we all know that you don't pay any taxes.

--

And how do we know this ???

--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !