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Shaft sizing
I have an old cement mixer. The shaft size that is on there for the steel
wheels is about .7000+. I have some rubber tires with tubes that have a hub axle diameter of .625, or thereabouts. I know that all rods come in standard fractional sizes. Is there some standard deduction when one is calculating a shaft versus an opening size so it will just slide on, and not be a press fit requiring hydraulics, beating with a large hammer, or immersion in dry ice or liquid nitrogen? This is going to be max 200 rpm for 200 yds, so it is not critical. Is there a place to buy this slightly less than nominal diameter material in a cold rolled, so it will be a little stiffer than the normal rod? Thanks Steve visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com Get a free electronic book before they run out! |
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On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:06:21 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote: I have an old cement mixer. The shaft size that is on there for the steel wheels is about .7000+. I have some rubber tires with tubes that have a hub axle diameter of .625, or thereabouts. I know that all rods come in standard fractional sizes. Is there some standard deduction when one is calculating a shaft versus an opening size so it will just slide on, and not be a press fit requiring hydraulics, beating with a large hammer, or immersion in dry ice or liquid nitrogen? This is going to be max 200 rpm for 200 yds, so it is not critical. Is there a place to buy this slightly less than nominal diameter material in a cold rolled, so it will be a little stiffer than the normal rod? Thanks Steve visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com Get a free electronic book before they run out! Why not take a piece of 3/4" rod, and turn the ends down to 5/8" and put a cotter pin in each end so the wheels dont fall off? If you want to be fancy..you can thread both ends for .625 and put a lock nut on both ends? Gunner I am the Sword of my Family and the Shield of my Nation. If sent, I will crush everything you have built, burn everything you love, and kill every one of you. (Hebrew quote) |
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"Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:06:21 -0700, "Steve B" wrote: I have an old cement mixer. The shaft size that is on there for the steel wheels is about .7000+. I have some rubber tires with tubes that have a hub axle diameter of .625, or thereabouts. I know that all rods come in standard fractional sizes. Is there some standard deduction when one is calculating a shaft versus an opening size so it will just slide on, and not be a press fit requiring hydraulics, beating with a large hammer, or immersion in dry ice or liquid nitrogen? This is going to be max 200 rpm for 200 yds, so it is not critical. Is there a place to buy this slightly less than nominal diameter material in a cold rolled, so it will be a little stiffer than the normal rod? Thanks Steve visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com Get a free electronic book before they run out! Why not take a piece of 3/4" rod, and turn the ends down to 5/8" and put a cotter pin in each end so the wheels dont fall off? If you want to be fancy..you can thread both ends for .625 and put a lock nut on both ends? Gunner That would require knowledge, expertise, and a lathe, of which I have none. Steve |
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On Aug 22, 11:25*pm, "Steve B" wrote:
"Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... Why not take a piece of 3/4" rod, and turn the ends down to 5/8" and put a cotter pin in each end so the wheels dont fall off? If you want to be fancy..you can thread both ends for .625 and put a lock nut on both ends? Gunner That would require knowledge, expertise, and a lathe, of which I have none. Steve And yet you complain if we employ them. Can you drill and tap the ends for 5/8" bolts? Their shanks are somewhat undersized. jsw |
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"Jim Wilkins" wrote And yet you complain if we employ them. huh? |
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On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:25:02 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote: "Gunner Asch" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:06:21 -0700, "Steve B" wrote: I have an old cement mixer. The shaft size that is on there for the steel wheels is about .7000+. I have some rubber tires with tubes that have a hub axle diameter of .625, or thereabouts. I know that all rods come in standard fractional sizes. Is there some standard deduction when one is calculating a shaft versus an opening size so it will just slide on, and not be a press fit requiring hydraulics, beating with a large hammer, or immersion in dry ice or liquid nitrogen? This is going to be max 200 rpm for 200 yds, so it is not critical. Is there a place to buy this slightly less than nominal diameter material in a cold rolled, so it will be a little stiffer than the normal rod? Thanks Steve visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com Get a free electronic book before they run out! Why not take a piece of 3/4" rod, and turn the ends down to 5/8" and put a cotter pin in each end so the wheels dont fall off? If you want to be fancy..you can thread both ends for .625 and put a lock nut on both ends? Gunner That would require knowledge, expertise, and a lathe, of which I have none. Steve As a fellow CABG vet, I bet Gunner would turn down your shaft if you sent it to him. I certainly would. I'd make it about .622 on each end, you say how long, leaving enough addendum for cross holes for cotter keys. Wouldn't take 20 minutes. |
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"Don Foreman" wrote in message ... On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:25:02 -0700, "Steve B" wrote: "Gunner Asch" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:06:21 -0700, "Steve B" wrote: I have an old cement mixer. The shaft size that is on there for the steel wheels is about .7000+. I have some rubber tires with tubes that have a hub axle diameter of .625, or thereabouts. I know that all rods come in standard fractional sizes. Is there some standard deduction when one is calculating a shaft versus an opening size so it will just slide on, and not be a press fit requiring hydraulics, beating with a large hammer, or immersion in dry ice or liquid nitrogen? This is going to be max 200 rpm for 200 yds, so it is not critical. Is there a place to buy this slightly less than nominal diameter material in a cold rolled, so it will be a little stiffer than the normal rod? Thanks Steve visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com Get a free electronic book before they run out! Why not take a piece of 3/4" rod, and turn the ends down to 5/8" and put a cotter pin in each end so the wheels dont fall off? If you want to be fancy..you can thread both ends for .625 and put a lock nut on both ends? Gunner That would require knowledge, expertise, and a lathe, of which I have none. Steve As a fellow CABG vet, I bet Gunner would turn down your shaft if you sent it to him. I certainly would. I'd make it about .622 on each end, you say how long, leaving enough addendum for cross holes for cotter keys. Wouldn't take 20 minutes. The hubs come out of these wheel assemblies. I'm going to take one of them to the store today, and look for some bolts that will work. I can weld on the bolts, but I think I need to add a diagonal support cage/frame that will run from the frame to the outside of the bolt's threads because the axle is getting fairly wide, and with the machine and 180# of mud, it might bend. Not the bolt, but the angle iron frame. I could make it bolt on for quick change tire repair. Have to get a tube repair kit, too. These things are a PITA, but it's almost done, and I'm ready to pour some footers for another metal shade cover, and some retaining wall for walkways, plus some brick work. This mixer looks like the perfect size, just have to get it so it moves around good. Right now, the original steel wheels don't roll very well in our sandy soil. Steve visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com Get your free book! We only have 999 trillion left on electronic storage! |
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On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:06:21 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote: I have an old cement mixer. The shaft size that is on there for the steel wheels is about .7000+. I have some rubber tires with tubes that have a hub axle diameter of .625, or thereabouts. I know that all rods come in standard fractional sizes. Is there some standard deduction when one is calculating a shaft versus an opening size so it will just slide on, and not be a press fit requiring hydraulics, beating with a large hammer, or immersion in dry ice or liquid nitrogen? This is going to be max 200 rpm for 200 yds, so it is not critical. Is there a place to buy this slightly less than nominal diameter material in a cold rolled, so it will be a little stiffer than the normal rod? Grade five or grade eight bolts should work well. Otherwise, I bet your tires are made to take standard dimension stuff and work. Mcmaster carr has a great selection of high quality rod. karl Thanks Steve visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com Get a free electronic book before they run out! |
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On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:06:21 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote: I have an old cement mixer. The shaft size that is on there for the steel wheels is about .7000+. I have some rubber tires with tubes that have a hub axle diameter of .625, or thereabouts. I know that all rods come in standard fractional sizes. Is there some standard deduction when one is calculating a shaft versus an opening size so it will just slide on, and not be a press fit requiring hydraulics, beating with a large hammer, or immersion in dry ice or liquid nitrogen? This is going to be max 200 rpm for 200 yds, so it is not critical. Is there a place to buy this slightly less than nominal diameter material in a cold rolled, so it will be a little stiffer than the normal rod? Thanks Steve Max clearance would be .001". |
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On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:19:35 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote: On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:06:21 -0700, "Steve B" wrote: I have an old cement mixer. The shaft size that is on there for the steel wheels is about .7000+. I have some rubber tires with tubes that have a hub axle diameter of .625, or thereabouts. I know that all rods come in standard fractional sizes. Is there some standard deduction when one is calculating a shaft versus an opening size so it will just slide on, and not be a press fit requiring hydraulics, beating with a large hammer, or immersion in dry ice or liquid nitrogen? This is going to be max 200 rpm for 200 yds, so it is not critical. Is there a place to buy this slightly less than nominal diameter material in a cold rolled, so it will be a little stiffer than the normal rod? Thanks Steve Max clearance would be .001". Oops. Min clearance would be about .001". Max clearance would be determined by how much wobble you could tolerate. Rule of thumb: .001 to .005 for nice-running wheels. |
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On Aug 22, 5:06*pm, "Steve B" wrote:
I have an old cement mixer. *The shaft size that is on there for the steel wheels is about .7000+. *I have some rubber tires with tubes that have a hub axle diameter of .625, or thereabouts. *I know that all rods come in standard fractional sizes. *Is there some standard deduction when one is calculating a shaft versus an opening size so it will just slide on, and not be a press fit requiring hydraulics, beating with a large hammer, or immersion in dry ice or liquid nitrogen? *This is going to be max 200 rpm for 200 yds, so it is not critical. *Is there a place to buy this slightly less than nominal diameter material in a cold rolled, so it will be a little stiffer than the normal rod? Thanks Steve visit my blog athttp://cabgbypasssurgery.com Get a free electronic book before they run out! The hardware stores around here have a selection of cold-drawn shafting, which is what you want. Machines like crap, so the nominal size had better be what you want. The one hardware store had it labeled as drill rod, which it wasn't. Has a drawn finish vs. ground for drill rod. You want a "running fit", such info is in the manuals, see "Machinery's Handbook". IIRC, it runs around .001" per inch. If all you're doing is trundling the thing around by hand, basically if the wheels stay on, you're golden. Wouldn't matter if the clearance was 20 thous. Stan Stan |
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As others have said, plain 'ole cold rolled should be fine. I've used
it to re-life wheels from lawn mowers, etc without problems. Bob |
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