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Please list company's that hir illegals here
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On Sat, 8 May 2010 09:49:30 -0500, wrote:
Please list company's that hir illegals here Most. Some unintentionally..most..simply dont care. A machine shop that went out of business a few years ago, that I did service work for, had 3 shifts of 30 employees, plus supervisors and management. Of the 90 employees working the machinery..there were a total of 45 Social Security numbers. Every 6-9 month, the Social Security administration would write a letter about duplicate numbers. Management would claim.."computer errors" and the employees would spend $15 to get new social security numbers from Macarther Park numbers dealers..and those numbers would be submitted...and then in 9 months...Social Security would write a letter about duplicate numbers....etc etc etc Of course, this is in California.....shrug Gunner -- "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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ok, the US army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine core, to start with
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"Bill Noble" wrote:
ok, the US army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine core, to start with No. They have their green card. And if willing to serve and having served honorably, I'd be glad to welcome as a new citizen. ### The United States military is composed entirely of volunteers. While individuals are paid for their service, the decision join the military is entirely voluntary. The branches of the United States military include the Army, Air Force, Navy, Coast Guard and the Marines. In general each branch has different requirements for enlistment, but there are some standard requirements for all the branches. Only individuals who are U.S. citizens can become commissioned officers in the United States military. Those who are considered US citizens also include citizens of Puerto Rico, the Northern Marianas Islands, the Federated States of Micronesia, Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands, American Samoa, and the Republic of the Marshall Islands. Non-citizens are eligible to enlist in the military but can not be commissioned. A non-citizen that is eligible to join the military must meet certain requirements: (1) Have an Alien Registration Receipt Card (stamped I-94 or I-551 Green card/INS Form 1-551), (2) Have a bona fide residence established, and (3) Have established a record of the U.S. as their home. Some non-citizens from countries with a reputation of hostility towards the U.S. may also require a waiver. The federal government cannot petition on behalf of an illegal immigrant so that they can obtain legal status and be able to enlist in the military. In order for an immigrant to join the United States military, they must first go through the immigration process of the USCIS (previously known as the INS) and then and then begin the enlisting process. Another requirement is that the Green Card and/or visa if the immigrant desiring to join the military must be valid for the entire period of their enlistment. http://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/military.html Wes |
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wrote in message ... Please list company's that hir illegals here O'booverburton |
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"Wes" wrote in message ... "Bill Noble" wrote: ok, the US army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine core, to start with No. They have their green card. And if willing to serve and having served honorably, I'd be glad to welcome as a new citizen. not true - there is a case in the newspapers here about a lady who was honorably discharged after 6 years, was 3 days from citizenship and the discovered she had used her aunt's ID to enlist, so they are deporting her back to (mexico? guatemala?) a country she has no memory of. I think that is not fair to her, and I think it is not good for our country to just toss these folks out. |
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Gunner Asch on Sat, 08 May 2010 13:24:55 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: On Sat, 8 May 2010 09:49:30 -0500, wrote: Please list company's that hir illegals here Most. Some unintentionally..most..simply dont care. Some may not know, some may overlook. Company I worked for, had a big INS raid. Caught about 10% of the work force. Unfortunately, quite a few good workers went, and the couple real a-holes - were legit. Although one had overstayed a visa and had to leave anyway. The question got raised, watching the new management's subsequent behavior, - could it not have been possible for someone in the new management team to have made that anonymous tip to the INS, as a means of cutting the workforce, without having to fire anyone? I don't know either. - pyotr filipivich We will drink no whiskey before its nine. It's eight fifty eight. Close enough! |
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"Bill Noble" wrote:
"Wes" wrote in message ... "Bill Noble" wrote: ok, the US army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine core, to start with No. They have their green card. And if willing to serve and having served honorably, I'd be glad to welcome as a new citizen. not true - there is a case in the newspapers here about a lady who was honorably discharged after 6 years, was 3 days from citizenship and the discovered she had used her aunt's ID to enlist, so they are deporting her back to (mexico? guatemala?) a country she has no memory of. I think that is not fair to her, and I think it is not good for our country to just toss these folks out. How is what I wrote not true? You respond with a case of some one commiting fraud by using another family members green card. Wes |
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Wes wrote:
"Bill Noble" wrote: "Wes" wrote in message ... "Bill Noble" wrote: ok, the US army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine core, to start with No. They have their green card. And if willing to serve and having served honorably, I'd be glad to welcome as a new citizen. not true - there is a case in the newspapers here about a lady who was honorably discharged after 6 years, was 3 days from citizenship and the discovered she had used her aunt's ID to enlist, so they are deporting her back to (mexico? guatemala?) a country she has no memory of. I think that is not fair to her, and I think it is not good for our country to just toss these folks out. How is what I wrote not true? You respond with a case of some one commiting fraud by using another family members green card. You said "... I'd be glad to welcome as a new citizen". Bill knows that isn't true. :-) |
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"Wes" wrote in message ... "Bill Noble" wrote: "Wes" wrote in message ... "Bill Noble" wrote: ok, the US army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine core, to start with No. They have their green card. And if willing to serve and having served honorably, I'd be glad to welcome as a new citizen. not true - there is a case in the newspapers here about a lady who was honorably discharged after 6 years, was 3 days from citizenship and the discovered she had used her aunt's ID to enlist, so they are deporting her back to (mexico? guatemala?) a country she has no memory of. I think that is not fair to her, and I think it is not good for our country to just toss these folks out. How is what I wrote not true? You respond with a case of some one commiting fraud by using another family members green card. the lady in question did in fact serve, and presumably get paid for doing so, in the US Army. That makes the army one of the groups that employs (even if unknowingly) illegal aliens. My point in posting was not to wag a finger at the army, but to make the point that not all illegals are evil, some are more "american" than native borne. And, that it does not serve our national interest to deport these people any more than it served our purpose to put into prison those who lied about their age to enlist Wes |
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"Bill Noble" wrote:
not true - there is a case in the newspapers here about a lady who was honorably discharged after 6 years, was 3 days from citizenship and the discovered she had used her aunt's ID to enlist, so they are deporting her back to (mexico? guatemala?) a country she has no memory of. I think that is not fair to her, and I think it is not good for our country to just toss these folks out. How is what I wrote not true? You respond with a case of some one commiting fraud by using another family members green card. the lady in question did in fact serve, and presumably get paid for doing so, in the US Army. That makes the army one of the groups that employs (even if unknowingly) illegal aliens. My point in posting was not to wag a finger at the army, but to make the point that not all illegals are evil, some are more "american" than native borne. And, that it does not serve our national interest to deport these people any more than it served our purpose to put into prison those who lied about their age to enlist Let us reset this a bit. You made a blanket claim that there are illegal's in the services. I responded that by law there isn't supposed to be. Nice job comparing the underaged that sneak with your example using the aunts ID. The underaged if still underaged when discovered generally get sent home. As the the lady in question, do you have links that indicate if she got an immigration hearing? Was she deported? Wes |
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"Wes" wrote in message ... "Bill Noble" wrote: not true - there is a case in the newspapers here about a lady who was honorably discharged after 6 years, was 3 days from citizenship and the discovered she had used her aunt's ID to enlist, so they are deporting her back to (mexico? guatemala?) a country she has no memory of. I think that is not fair to her, and I think it is not good for our country to just toss these folks out. How is what I wrote not true? You respond with a case of some one commiting fraud by using another family members green card. the lady in question did in fact serve, and presumably get paid for doing so, in the US Army. That makes the army one of the groups that employs (even if unknowingly) illegal aliens. My point in posting was not to wag a finger at the army, but to make the point that not all illegals are evil, some are more "american" than native borne. And, that it does not serve our national interest to deport these people any more than it served our purpose to put into prison those who lied about their age to enlist Let us reset this a bit. You made a blanket claim that there are illegal's in the services. I responded that by law there isn't supposed to be. Nice job comparing the underaged that sneak with your example using the aunts ID. The underaged if still underaged when discovered generally get sent home. As the the lady in question, do you have links that indicate if she got an immigration hearing? Was she deported? Wes The last article I saw was in theLA Times, it said she had a hearing in a day or two and was at risk - here is the article http://articles.latimes.com/2010/apr...rmy-20100426/3 and there is this article about the wife of a soldier who is "about to be deported" (in 2009) because she was brought into the country illegally at age 6 http://articles.latimes.com/2009/oct...mmig-soldier26, and here is a more recent article about her http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...migarmy09.html which seems to be nearly identical - no new information. so, to answer your question - I don't know how her hearing came out, or IF it has been held. I usually ignore these political posts, but I felt this deserved a "sharp" response - I am absolutely not in favor of illegal immigration into this country, however, there is also the notion of humanity, compassion, and consideration for good deeds - as I stated originally, it does our country no good, nor does it help anything to deport all who came illegally blindly and without consideration - the soldier was one way for me to make this point clearly. here is an article where we decided to do the right thing - at least temporarily http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,285754,00.html Let us not be so fast to rush to judgment that we demonize everyone in a group - what many did is no more wrong (maybe less wrong) than taking food when you are hungry, and we often will forgive theft under those circumstances. Fix the problem, but not by breaking the good people who are part of it. |
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"Bill Noble" wrote:
"Wes" wrote in message ... "Bill Noble" wrote: not true - there is a case in the newspapers here about a lady who was honorably discharged after 6 years, was 3 days from citizenship and the discovered she had used her aunt's ID to enlist, so they are deporting her back to (mexico? guatemala?) a country she has no memory of. I think that is not fair to her, and I think it is not good for our country to just toss these folks out. How is what I wrote not true? You respond with a case of some one commiting fraud by using another family members green card. the lady in question did in fact serve, and presumably get paid for doing so, in the US Army. That makes the army one of the groups that employs (even if unknowingly) illegal aliens. My point in posting was not to wag a finger at the army, but to make the point that not all illegals are evil, some are more "american" than native borne. And, that it does not serve our national interest to deport these people any more than it served our purpose to put into prison those who lied about their age to enlist Let us reset this a bit. You made a blanket claim that there are illegal's in the services. I responded that by law there isn't supposed to be. Nice job comparing the underaged that sneak with your example using the aunts ID. The underaged if still underaged when discovered generally get sent home. As the the lady in question, do you have links that indicate if she got an immigration hearing? Was she deported? Wes The last article I saw was in theLA Times, it said she had a hearing in a day or two and was at risk - here is the article http://articles.latimes.com/2010/apr...rmy-20100426/3 Based on that article, I'd sure be willing to give her a break. and there is this article about the wife of a soldier who is "about to be deported" (in 2009) because she was brought into the country illegally at age 6 http://articles.latimes.com/2009/oct...mmig-soldier26, and here is a more recent article about her http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...migarmy09.html which seems to be nearly identical - no new information. That one seems like a no brainer. She is married to a US Citizen. From the sound of it they have been married for a few years so it wasn't a get into the country marriage that can happen with those that serve outside the country. Hell, my Aunt Peg from GB is a war bride. WWII in her case. so, to answer your question - I don't know how her hearing came out, or IF it has been held. I wasn't able to google anything more on it. I usually ignore these political posts, but I felt this deserved a "sharp" response - I am absolutely not in favor of illegal immigration into this country, however, there is also the notion of humanity, compassion, and consideration for good deeds - as I stated originally, it does our country no good, nor does it help anything to deport all who came illegally blindly and without consideration - the soldier was one way for me to make this point clearly. I have a soft spot for those willing to serve. At least they are putting something in at an early stage in their lives. Serving during times of war gets bonus points imho. http://voices.kansascity.com/node/1225 http://www.weareoneamerica.org/immig...ary-fact-sheet here is an article where we decided to do the right thing - at least temporarily http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,285754,00.html I'm glad she can stay. I have a heart besides, Jimenez is a citizen, a US Citizen should be able to marry anyone they wish and bring them into this country. Let us not be so fast to rush to judgment that we demonize everyone in a group - what many did is no more wrong (maybe less wrong) than taking food when you are hungry, and we often will forgive theft under those circumstances. Fix the problem, but not by breaking the good people who are part of it. Some of the stories of those that risked all to get here can rip your heart out. The problem is what is the fix? I'd like some really solid details on that to form an favorable opinion of a fix being something other than strong border enforcement. Will the fix encourage more illegal immigration? Reagan cut a deal to 'solve' it, now there are more illegals. Wes |
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On Sat, 8 May 2010 19:58:59 -0700, "Bill Noble"
wrote: "Wes" wrote in message ... "Bill Noble" wrote: ok, the US army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine core, to start with No. They have their green card. And if willing to serve and having served honorably, I'd be glad to welcome as a new citizen. not true - there is a case in the newspapers here about a lady who was honorably discharged after 6 years, was 3 days from citizenship and the discovered she had used her aunt's ID to enlist, so they are deporting her back to (mexico? guatemala?) a country she has no memory of. I think that is not fair to her, and I think it is not good for our country to just toss these folks out. So you are one of those that think Felony Fraud is just a little thing? Gunner -- "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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On Sun, 09 May 2010 15:20:53 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Sat, 8 May 2010 19:58:59 -0700, "Bill Noble" wrote: "Wes" wrote in message ... "Bill Noble" wrote: ok, the US army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine core, to start with No. They have their green card. And if willing to serve and having served honorably, I'd be glad to welcome as a new citizen. not true - there is a case in the newspapers here about a lady who was honorably discharged after 6 years, was 3 days from citizenship and the discovered she had used her aunt's ID to enlist, so they are deporting her back to (mexico? guatemala?) a country she has no memory of. I think that is not fair to her, and I think it is not good for our country to just toss these folks out. So you are one of those that think Felony Fraud is just a little thing? Gunner I think it is in this case. I think we should welcome one who has served honorably for six years. She's more than paid her dues. Tell me everything you did while in the military was 100% squeaky clean boy scout legal straight up non-felonious no **** tell-the-truth no crosses count yoo betcha. I already know that you love me and the check's in the mail. Wayne in Arizona may disagree with me as usual, while enjoying and nearly abusing the rights others have preserved for him. You and Arizona Wayne in the same camp, ain't that a pair to draw to? Wayne hugging Gunner in solidarity for defense of the realm Arizona style. Gunner on banjo, Wayne on harmonica or something he can blow. Video please? On second thought, skip the video: y'all enjoy now, hear? Most vets have learned to pull their weight. We both know that, while a few combat vets struggle or fail to adjust successfully to civilian life, most vets become productive, contributive and often very successful citizens. I think this vet has earned admission to citizenship. |
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On Mon, 10 May 2010 00:25:47 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote: On Sun, 09 May 2010 15:20:53 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sat, 8 May 2010 19:58:59 -0700, "Bill Noble" wrote: "Wes" wrote in message ... "Bill Noble" wrote: ok, the US army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine core, to start with No. They have their green card. And if willing to serve and having served honorably, I'd be glad to welcome as a new citizen. not true - there is a case in the newspapers here about a lady who was honorably discharged after 6 years, was 3 days from citizenship and the discovered she had used her aunt's ID to enlist, so they are deporting her back to (mexico? guatemala?) a country she has no memory of. I think that is not fair to her, and I think it is not good for our country to just toss these folks out. So you are one of those that think Felony Fraud is just a little thing? Gunner I think it is in this case. I think we should welcome one who has served honorably for six years. She's more than paid her dues. Dont get me wrong..I believe as you do, that she should be allowed to stay. But the fact of the matter is..she did..did commit a serious crime. Tell me everything you did while in the military was 100% squeaky clean boy scout legal straight up non-felonious no **** tell-the-truth no crosses count yoo betcha. I already know that you love me and the check's in the mail. VBG Wayne in Arizona may disagree with me as usual, while enjoying and nearly abusing the rights others have preserved for him. You and Arizona Wayne in the same camp, ain't that a pair to draw to? Wayne hugging Gunner in solidarity for defense of the realm Arizona style. Gunner on banjo, Wayne on harmonica or something he can blow. Video please? On second thought, skip the video: y'all enjoy now, hear? Most vets have learned to pull their weight. We both know that, while a few combat vets struggle or fail to adjust successfully to civilian life, most vets become productive, contributive and often very successful citizens. I think this vet has earned admission to citizenship. I do think she should be not simply tossed out, and a strong case could be made for her citizenship. But the fact remains..that she indeed was not..not..not a US citizen, and she did commit a felony case of at the least, fraud, knowingly and with intent. I fully understand that she came to this nation a 6 yrs old, and was not a citizen..was a "wetback" legally. And served honorably for a number of years. But she did so knowing full well she was committing a rather serious crime. On a one to one basis, Id say give her her citizenship. But the fact remains, the only thing that seperates her from any other wetback committing a crime and being deported, is her service in the military. And that cannot be ignored Gunner -- "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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On Mon, 10 May 2010 00:25:47 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote: On Sun, 09 May 2010 15:20:53 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sat, 8 May 2010 19:58:59 -0700, "Bill Noble" wrote: "Wes" wrote in message ... "Bill Noble" wrote: ok, the US army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine core, to start with No. They have their green card. And if willing to serve and having served honorably, I'd be glad to welcome as a new citizen. not true - there is a case in the newspapers here about a lady who was honorably discharged after 6 years, was 3 days from citizenship and the discovered she had used her aunt's ID to enlist, so they are deporting her back to (mexico? guatemala?) a country she has no memory of. I think that is not fair to her, and I think it is not good for our country to just toss these folks out. So you are one of those that think Felony Fraud is just a little thing? Gunner I think it is in this case. I think we should welcome one who has served honorably for six years. She's more than paid her dues. Bravo. Right on all counts. Tell me everything you did while in the military was 100% squeaky clean boy scout legal straight up non-felonious no **** tell-the-truth no crosses count yoo betcha. I already know that you love me and the check's in the mail. I doubt that many believe that gummer ever served. The odds of any one of his tall tales being true must be infinitesimal. Wayne in Arizona may disagree with me as usual, while enjoying and nearly abusing the rights others have preserved for him. You and Arizona Wayne in the same camp, ain't that a pair to draw to? Wayne hugging Gunner in solidarity for defense of the realm Arizona style. Gunner on banjo, Wayne on harmonica or something he can blow. Video please? On second thought, skip the video: y'all enjoy now, hear? Gawd, what a load of BS. Pure fiction and cheap shots. As it happens I gave up much of my last weekend to rescue a vet whose bus/RV broke down near here. I think this vet has earned admission to citizenship. Right. And you should have said that and nothing else given that you can't seem to make a point without venturing off into crapland. Wayne |
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On Mon, 10 May 2010 03:44:38 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Mon, 10 May 2010 00:25:47 -0500, Don Foreman wrote: On Sun, 09 May 2010 15:20:53 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sat, 8 May 2010 19:58:59 -0700, "Bill Noble" wrote: "Wes" wrote in message ... "Bill Noble" wrote: ok, the US army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine core, to start with No. They have their green card. And if willing to serve and having served honorably, I'd be glad to welcome as a new citizen. not true - there is a case in the newspapers here about a lady who was honorably discharged after 6 years, was 3 days from citizenship and the discovered she had used her aunt's ID to enlist, so they are deporting her back to (mexico? guatemala?) a country she has no memory of. I think that is not fair to her, and I think it is not good for our country to just toss these folks out. So you are one of those that think Felony Fraud is just a little thing? Gunner I think it is in this case. I think we should welcome one who has served honorably for six years. She's more than paid her dues. Dont get me wrong..I believe as you do, that she should be allowed to stay. But the fact of the matter is..she did..did commit a serious crime. Tell me everything you did while in the military was 100% squeaky clean boy scout legal straight up non-felonious no **** tell-the-truth no crosses count yoo betcha. I already know that you love me and the check's in the mail. VBG Wayne in Arizona may disagree with me as usual, while enjoying and nearly abusing the rights others have preserved for him. You and Arizona Wayne in the same camp, ain't that a pair to draw to? Wayne hugging Gunner in solidarity for defense of the realm Arizona style. Gunner on banjo, Wayne on harmonica or something he can blow. Video please? On second thought, skip the video: y'all enjoy now, hear? Most vets have learned to pull their weight. We both know that, while a few combat vets struggle or fail to adjust successfully to civilian life, most vets become productive, contributive and often very successful citizens. I think this vet has earned admission to citizenship. I do think she should be not simply tossed out, and a strong case could be made for her citizenship. But the fact remains..that she indeed was not..not..not a US citizen, and she did commit a felony case of at the least, fraud, knowingly and with intent. I fully understand that she came to this nation a 6 yrs old, and was not a citizen..was a "wetback" legally. And served honorably for a number of years. But she did so knowing full well she was committing a rather serious crime. On a one to one basis, Id say give her her citizenship. But the fact remains, the only thing that seperates her from any other wetback committing a crime and being deported, is her service in the military. And that cannot be ignored Gunner From Wikipedia: "The label of "crime" and the accompanying social stigma normally confine their scope to those activities seen as injurious to the general population or to the State, including some that cause serious loss or damage to individuals." Those who do fraud with intent to harm or wrongfully take from others should indeed be banned. One who misrepresents in order to serve constructively has committed an administrative infraction, broken a law if you must, but I don't see her as a criminal. |
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Don Foreman wrote: On Mon, 10 May 2010 03:44:38 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 10 May 2010 00:25:47 -0500, Don Foreman wrote: On Sun, 09 May 2010 15:20:53 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sat, 8 May 2010 19:58:59 -0700, "Bill Noble" wrote: "Wes" wrote in message ... "Bill Noble" wrote: ok, the US army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine core, to start with No. They have their green card. And if willing to serve and having served honorably, I'd be glad to welcome as a new citizen. not true - there is a case in the newspapers here about a lady who was honorably discharged after 6 years, was 3 days from citizenship and the discovered she had used her aunt's ID to enlist, so they are deporting her back to (mexico? guatemala?) a country she has no memory of. I think that is not fair to her, and I think it is not good for our country to just toss these folks out. So you are one of those that think Felony Fraud is just a little thing? Gunner I think it is in this case. I think we should welcome one who has served honorably for six years. She's more than paid her dues. Dont get me wrong..I believe as you do, that she should be allowed to stay. But the fact of the matter is..she did..did commit a serious crime. Tell me everything you did while in the military was 100% squeaky clean boy scout legal straight up non-felonious no **** tell-the-truth no crosses count yoo betcha. I already know that you love me and the check's in the mail. VBG Wayne in Arizona may disagree with me as usual, while enjoying and nearly abusing the rights others have preserved for him. You and Arizona Wayne in the same camp, ain't that a pair to draw to? Wayne hugging Gunner in solidarity for defense of the realm Arizona style. Gunner on banjo, Wayne on harmonica or something he can blow. Video please? On second thought, skip the video: y'all enjoy now, hear? Most vets have learned to pull their weight. We both know that, while a few combat vets struggle or fail to adjust successfully to civilian life, most vets become productive, contributive and often very successful citizens. I think this vet has earned admission to citizenship. I do think she should be not simply tossed out, and a strong case could be made for her citizenship. But the fact remains..that she indeed was not..not..not a US citizen, and she did commit a felony case of at the least, fraud, knowingly and with intent. I fully understand that she came to this nation a 6 yrs old, and was not a citizen..was a "wetback" legally. And served honorably for a number of years. But she did so knowing full well she was committing a rather serious crime. On a one to one basis, Id say give her her citizenship. But the fact remains, the only thing that seperates her from any other wetback committing a crime and being deported, is her service in the military. And that cannot be ignored Gunner From Wikipedia: "The label of "crime" and the accompanying social stigma normally confine their scope to those activities seen as injurious to the general population or to the State, including some that cause serious loss or damage to individuals." Those who do fraud with intent to harm or wrongfully take from others should indeed be banned. One who misrepresents in order to serve constructively has committed an administrative infraction, broken a law if you must, but I don't see her as a criminal. A relevant distinction is between these two legal terms: "malum in se" -- Wrong in itself - a crime that is inherently wrong. "malum prohibitum" -- A prohibited wrong - A crime that society decides is wrong for some reason, but is not inherently evil. Joe Gwinn |
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Illeagals
On Mon, 10 May 2010 12:14:35 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote: On Mon, 10 May 2010 03:44:38 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: I think it is in this case. I think we should welcome one who has served honorably for six years. She's more than paid her dues. Dont get me wrong..I believe as you do, that she should be allowed to stay. But the fact of the matter is..she did..did commit a serious crime. Tell me everything you did while in the military was 100% squeaky clean boy scout legal straight up non-felonious no **** tell-the-truth no crosses count yoo betcha. I already know that you love me and the check's in the mail. VBG Wayne in Arizona may disagree with me as usual, while enjoying and nearly abusing the rights others have preserved for him. You and Arizona Wayne in the same camp, ain't that a pair to draw to? Wayne hugging Gunner in solidarity for defense of the realm Arizona style. Gunner on banjo, Wayne on harmonica or something he can blow. Video please? On second thought, skip the video: y'all enjoy now, hear? Most vets have learned to pull their weight. We both know that, while a few combat vets struggle or fail to adjust successfully to civilian life, most vets become productive, contributive and often very successful citizens. I think this vet has earned admission to citizenship. I do think she should be not simply tossed out, and a strong case could be made for her citizenship. But the fact remains..that she indeed was not..not..not a US citizen, and she did commit a felony case of at the least, fraud, knowingly and with intent. I fully understand that she came to this nation a 6 yrs old, and was not a citizen..was a "wetback" legally. And served honorably for a number of years. But she did so knowing full well she was committing a rather serious crime. On a one to one basis, Id say give her her citizenship. But the fact remains, the only thing that seperates her from any other wetback committing a crime and being deported, is her service in the military. And that cannot be ignored Gunner From Wikipedia: "The label of "crime" and the accompanying social stigma normally confine their scope to those activities seen as injurious to the general population or to the State, including some that cause serious loss or damage to individuals." Those who do fraud with intent to harm or wrongfully take from others should indeed be banned. One who misrepresents in order to serve constructively has committed an administrative infraction, broken a law if you must, but I don't see her as a criminal. In a different thread today you're sanctimoniously accusing a Nobel Prize winner of hypocrisy, as if you'd otherwise do anything but find a different way to demean the man. Yet here you're somehow able to rationalize the undisputed hypocrisy of a guy who, best case, claims to have served under another's name, but who has the gall to complain about someone who really did serve honorably under another's name. From Wikipedia: "The term double standard, coined in 1912,[1] refers to any set of principles containing different provisions for one group of people than for another, typically without a good reason for having said difference." You might submit a photo of yourself for inclusion in that article. Wayne |
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