On Mon, 10 May 2010 03:44:38 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Mon, 10 May 2010 00:25:47 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Sun, 09 May 2010 15:20:53 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 8 May 2010 19:58:59 -0700, "Bill Noble"
wrote:



"Wes" wrote in message
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"Bill Noble" wrote:

ok, the US army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine core, to start with

No. They have their green card. And if willing to serve and having
served honorably, I'd
be glad to welcome as a new citizen.



not true - there is a case in the newspapers here about a lady who was
honorably discharged after 6 years, was 3 days from citizenship and the
discovered she had used her aunt's ID to enlist, so they are deporting her
back to (mexico? guatemala?) a country she has no memory of. I think that
is not fair to her, and I think it is not good for our country to just toss
these folks out.

So you are one of those that think Felony Fraud is just a little thing?

Gunner

I think it is in this case. I think we should welcome one who has
served honorably for six years. She's more than paid her dues.

Dont get me wrong..I believe as you do, that she should be allowed to
stay. But the fact of the matter is..she did..did commit a serious
crime.

Tell me everything you did while in the military was 100% squeaky
clean boy scout legal straight up non-felonious no ****
tell-the-truth no crosses count yoo betcha. I already know that you
love me and the check's in the mail.

VBG

Wayne in Arizona may disagree with me as usual, while enjoying and
nearly abusing the rights others have preserved for him. You and
Arizona Wayne in the same camp, ain't that a pair to draw to? Wayne
hugging Gunner in solidarity for defense of the realm Arizona style.
Gunner on banjo, Wayne on harmonica or something he can blow. Video
please? On second thought, skip the video: y'all enjoy now, hear?
Most vets have learned to pull their weight. We both know that, while
a few combat vets struggle or fail to adjust successfully to civilian
life, most vets become productive, contributive and often very
successful citizens.

I think this vet has earned admission to citizenship.

I do think she should be not simply tossed out, and a strong case could
be made for her citizenship. But the fact remains..that she indeed was
not..not..not a US citizen, and she did commit a felony case of at the
least, fraud, knowingly and with intent.

I fully understand that she came to this nation a 6 yrs old, and was not
a citizen..was a "wetback" legally. And served honorably for a number
of years. But she did so knowing full well she was committing a
rather serious crime.

On a one to one basis, Id say give her her citizenship. But the fact
remains, the only thing that seperates her from any other wetback
committing a crime and being deported, is her service in the military.

And that cannot be ignored

Gunner

From Wikipedia:
"The label of "crime" and the accompanying social stigma normally
confine their scope to those activities seen as injurious to the
general population or to the State, including some that cause serious
loss or damage to individuals."

Those who do fraud with intent to harm or wrongfully take from others
should indeed be banned. One who misrepresents in order to serve
constructively has committed an administrative infraction, broken a
law if you must, but I don't see her as a criminal.