On 2010-01-28, William Wixon wrote:

"Dave__67" wrote in message
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I prefer a 50 gal trashbag full of acetylene and oxygen.

Nuclear purple flash, a bang that'll echo for 10 seconds (at least in
the hudson valley), surprisingly little destructive power, and no
evidence except tiny bits of melted plastic.

I was thinking, buy 3-4 helium balloons, tie one balloon full of O/A
to them, add a fuse, light the fuse and let it fly up in the air
before exploding. Kids might like it.

i

"Ignoramus27891" wrote in message
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On 2010-01-28, William Wixon wrote:

"Dave__67" wrote in message
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I prefer a 50 gal trashbag full of acetylene and oxygen.

Nuclear purple flash, a bang that'll echo for 10 seconds (at least in
the hudson valley), surprisingly little destructive power, and no
evidence except tiny bits of melted plastic.

I was thinking, buy 3-4 helium balloons, tie one balloon full of O/A
to them, add a fuse, light the fuse and let it fly up in the air
before exploding. Kids might like it.

Long fuse.

"Ignoramus27891" wrote in message
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On 2010-01-28, William Wixon wrote:

"Dave__67" wrote in message
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I prefer a 50 gal trashbag full of acetylene and oxygen.

Nuclear purple flash, a bang that'll echo for 10 seconds (at least in
the hudson valley), surprisingly little destructive power, and no
evidence except tiny bits of melted plastic.

I was thinking, buy 3-4 helium balloons, tie one balloon full of O/A
to them, add a fuse, light the fuse and let it fly up in the air
before exploding. Kids might like it.

i

Turn it into a science project, fill your ballons with hydrogen/oxygen by
electrolysis of water instead of using O/A.

Best Regards
Tom.

"Dave__67" wrote in message
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I prefer a 50 gal trashbag full of acetylene and oxygen.

Nuclear purple flash, a bang that'll echo for 10 seconds (at least in
the hudson valley), surprisingly little destructive power, and no
evidence except tiny bits of melted plastic.

Dave



i graduated college in '82. we messed around w/ oxy-acetylene things there
in the metal shop. i posted this once before, i foolishly volunteered to
light the "fuse" and it blew up the instant i touched the match to it, right
next to me. i completely lost my hearing for a few minutes. was scary.
after college us guys rented a "loft" in brooklyn. was the top floor, the
wrought iron roof trusses were in our space. i have a faint recollection
someone lit a oxy-acetylene thing indoors. was so loud and there was such a
shock wave dust gently fell from every truss in the place. i think that's
what made us all wide eyed, not so much the blast but that it shook loose
dust from all the trusses. we were like "*whoa*".

i don't think i/we ever had the balls to even consider doing a 50 gallon
bag. especially after witnessing what (a MUCH smaller) two-taped-together
styrofoam soup bowls sounds like.

b.w.

"azotic" wrote in message
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"Ignoramus27891" wrote in message
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On 2010-01-28, William Wixon wrote:

"Dave__67" wrote in message
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I prefer a 50 gal trashbag full of acetylene and oxygen.

Nuclear purple flash, a bang that'll echo for 10 seconds (at least in
the hudson valley), surprisingly little destructive power, and no
evidence except tiny bits of melted plastic.

I was thinking, buy 3-4 helium balloons, tie one balloon full of O/A
to them, add a fuse, light the fuse and let it fly up in the air
before exploding. Kids might like it.

i

Turn it into a science project, fill your ballons with hydrogen/oxygen by
electrolysis of water instead of using O/A.


THAT will take a while.

On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:52:23 -0700, "Bob La Londe"
wrote:

"Ignoramus27891" wrote in message
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On 2010-01-28, William Wixon wrote:

"Dave__67" wrote in message
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I prefer a 50 gal trashbag full of acetylene and oxygen.

Nuclear purple flash, a bang that'll echo for 10 seconds (at least in
the hudson valley), surprisingly little destructive power, and no
evidence except tiny bits of melted plastic.

I was thinking, buy 3-4 helium balloons, tie one balloon full of O/A
to them, add a fuse, light the fuse and let it fly up in the air
before exploding. Kids might like it.

Long fuse.
Make certain that Air Force One is a long way away!
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

On Jan 27, 10:57*pm, "azotic" wrote:
"Ignoramus27891" wrote in message

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On 2010-01-28, William Wixon wrote:

"Dave__67" wrote in message
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I prefer a 50 gal trashbag full of acetylene and oxygen.

Nuclear purple flash, a bang that'll echo for 10 seconds (at least in
the hudson valley), surprisingly little destructive power, and no
evidence except tiny bits of melted plastic.

I was thinking, buy 3-4 helium balloons, tie one balloon full of O/A
to them, add a fuse, light the fuse and let it fly up in the air
before exploding. Kids might like it.

i

Turn it into a science project, fill your ballons with hydrogen/oxygen by
electrolysis of water instead of using O/A.

Best Regards
Tom.

I've lit mixtures of H2 and O2 from electrolysis, and the reaction did
not seem nearly as energetic as acetylene and oxygen.


Dave

On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:35:48 -0600, the infamous Ignoramus27891
scrawled the following:

On 2010-01-28, William Wixon wrote:

"Dave__67" wrote in message
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I prefer a 50 gal trashbag full of acetylene and oxygen.

Nuclear purple flash, a bang that'll echo for 10 seconds (at least in
the hudson valley), surprisingly little destructive power, and no
evidence except tiny bits of melted plastic.

I was thinking, buy 3-4 helium balloons, tie one balloon full of O/A
to them, add a fuse, light the fuse and let it fly up in the air
before exploding. Kids might like it.

The Chicago PD and DHS will be at your door shortly for even
-thinking- that, Ig.

--
It is in his pleasure that a man really lives; it is from
his leisure that he constructs the true fabric of self.
-- Agnes Repplier

"Ignoramus27891" wrote in message
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On 2010-01-28, William Wixon wrote:

"Dave__67" wrote in message
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I prefer a 50 gal trashbag full of acetylene and oxygen.

Nuclear purple flash, a bang that'll echo for 10 seconds (at least in
the hudson valley), surprisingly little destructive power, and no
evidence except tiny bits of melted plastic.

I was thinking, buy 3-4 helium balloons, tie one balloon full of O/A
to them, add a fuse, light the fuse and let it fly up in the air
before exploding. Kids might like it.

i

You have given me an idea for a late night large 4th of July aerial display.
TY.

Ignoramus27891 wrote:
On 2010-01-28, William Wixon wrote:
"Dave__67" wrote in message
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I prefer a 50 gal trashbag full of acetylene and oxygen.

Nuclear purple flash, a bang that'll echo for 10 seconds (at least in
the hudson valley), surprisingly little destructive power, and no
evidence except tiny bits of melted plastic.

I was thinking, buy 3-4 helium balloons, tie one balloon full of O/A
to them, add a fuse, light the fuse and let it fly up in the air
before exploding. Kids might like it.

Don't. If you want to fuss around with
acetylene, get some calcium carbide and
play with it.

Bob La Londe wrote:
"Ignoramus27891" wrote in message
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On 2010-01-28, William Wixon wrote:

"Dave__67" wrote in message
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I prefer a 50 gal trashbag full of acetylene and oxygen.

Nuclear purple flash, a bang that'll echo for 10 seconds (at least in
the hudson valley), surprisingly little destructive power, and no
evidence except tiny bits of melted plastic.

I was thinking, buy 3-4 helium balloons, tie one balloon full of O/A
to them, add a fuse, light the fuse and let it fly up in the air
before exploding. Kids might like it.

Long fuse.

....get a kid to light it!

Gerald Miller wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:52:23 -0700, "Bob La Londe"
wrote:

"Ignoramus27891" wrote in message
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On 2010-01-28, William Wixon wrote:
"Dave__67" wrote in message
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I prefer a 50 gal trashbag full of acetylene and oxygen.

Nuclear purple flash, a bang that'll echo for 10 seconds (at least in
the hudson valley), surprisingly little destructive power, and no
evidence except tiny bits of melted plastic.
I was thinking, buy 3-4 helium balloons, tie one balloon full of O/A
to them, add a fuse, light the fuse and let it fly up in the air
before exploding. Kids might like it.
Long fuse.
Make certain that Air Force One is a long way away!

Or not!

Ignoramus27891 wrote in
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On 2010-01-28, William Wixon wrote:

"Dave__67" wrote in message
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I prefer a 50 gal trashbag full of acetylene and oxygen.

Nuclear purple flash, a bang that'll echo for 10 seconds (at least in
the hudson valley), surprisingly little destructive power, and no
evidence except tiny bits of melted plastic.

I was thinking, buy 3-4 helium balloons, tie one balloon full of O/A
to them, add a fuse, light the fuse and let it fly up in the air
before exploding. Kids might like it.

We used to fill taped up dry cleaning bags with methane for list, and
then hang and oxy-acetylene bag under it. For fusing, we used cannon
fuse & "detheramlizer" fuse. Thsi was like havy cotton cord, that would
char at about 1/4" a minute. It was used to retrieve model gliders bu
releasing the horizontal tail stabilizer after a period of time.

They would get very high up befoe there was a good flash & boom form the
O-A, followed by an orange firebal from the methane. No blown out
windows, and we all still have (most) of our hearing.

Do not try this at home, etc.

Doug White

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On 2010-01-28, William Wixon wrote:

"Dave__67" wrote in message

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I prefer a 50 gal trashbag full of acetylene and oxygen.

Nuclear purple flash, a bang that'll echo for 10 seconds (at least
in the hudson valley), surprisingly little destructive power, and no
evidence except tiny bits of melted plastic.

I was thinking, buy 3-4 helium balloons, tie one balloon full of O/A
to them, add a fuse, light the fuse and let it fly up in the air
before exploding. Kids might like it.

i

Turn it into a science project, fill your ballons with hydrogen/oxygen
by electrolysis of water instead of using O/A.

It goes bang, but the energy released isn't nearly on a parr with O-A.
We did some careful comparisons when I was a kid, and O-A wins hands
down.

Doug White

Flour mill dust explosions can be very nasty for the same reason. They
have a 4 to 8 second response time. Bang wait BANG wait Boom wait BOOM
wait Kaboom wait KABOOM wait KABOOM!!!!! no more waiting, nothing left
shock wave dust gently fell from every truss in the place. i think that's
what made us all wide eyed, not so much the blast but that it shook loose
dust from all the trusses. we were like "*whoa*".

i don't think i/we ever had the balls to even consider doing a 50 gallon
bag. especially after witnessing what (a MUCH smaller) two-taped-together
styrofoam soup bowls sounds like.

b.w.

Dave__67 fired this volley in news:615d4519-09e0-
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I've lit mixtures of H2 and O2 from electrolysis, and the reaction did
not seem nearly as energetic as acetylene and oxygen.


Acetylene has a free gas molecular weight of about 26. Hydrogen, 2.
Oxygen, 32.

67.2L of gas at 2(H2)+1(O2) ratio weighs 34 grams (3 mole volume)
67.2L of gas at 2(C2H2)+10(O2) ratio weighs 93 grams (3 mole volume)


Sooo... The trash bag full of acetylene/O2 has almost 3 times the mass of
the H2/O2 mixture.

Consider what the relative explosive force of three sticks of dynamite
would be vs. one.

LLoyd

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote in message
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Dave__67 fired this volley in news:615d4519-09e0-
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I've lit mixtures of H2 and O2 from electrolysis, and the reaction did
not seem nearly as energetic as acetylene and oxygen.


Acetylene has a free gas molecular weight of about 26. Hydrogen, 2.
Oxygen, 32.

67.2L of gas at 2(H2)+1(O2) ratio weighs 34 grams (3 mole volume)
67.2L of gas at 2(C2H2)+10(O2) ratio weighs 93 grams (3 mole volume)


Sooo... The trash bag full of acetylene/O2 has almost 3 times the mass of
the H2/O2 mixture.

Consider what the relative explosive force of three sticks of dynamite
would be vs. one.

LLoyd

It's not the mass of the gas doing the damage but the energy of the reaction
and the speed with which the reaction occurs.

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"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote in message
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Dave__67 fired this volley in
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I've lit mixtures of H2 and O2 from electrolysis, and the reaction
did not seem nearly as energetic as acetylene and oxygen.


Acetylene has a free gas molecular weight of about 26. Hydrogen, 2.
Oxygen, 32.

67.2L of gas at 2(H2)+1(O2) ratio weighs 34 grams (3 mole volume)
67.2L of gas at 2(C2H2)+10(O2) ratio weighs 93 grams (3 mole volume)


Sooo... The trash bag full of acetylene/O2 has almost 3 times the
mass of the H2/O2 mixture.

Consider what the relative explosive force of three sticks of
dynamite would be vs. one.

LLoyd

It's not the mass of the gas doing the damage but the energy of the
reaction and the speed with which the reaction occurs.

In particular, there is a triple bond in acetylene that stores a LOT of
energy. When that let's go, you get a lot more bang for your buck than
just connecting a couple hydrogen atoms to an oxygen.

Doug White

Doug White fired this volley in
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When that let's go, you get a lot more bang for your buck than
just connecting a couple hydrogen atoms to an oxygen.


That's all fine and good, but it's the amount of mass set moving that
conveys an explosion's force to the objects around.

If the acetylene reaction were 1000 times as strong as the H/O reaction,
and you had 1/10th the mass in Acetylene mix that you had of Hydrogen
mix, you'd get the same net explosive force.

Explosion force is not linear with mass.

LLoyd

On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:52:23 -0700, "Bob La Londe"
wrote:

"Ignoramus27891" wrote in message
m...
On 2010-01-28, William Wixon wrote:

"Dave__67" wrote in message
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I prefer a 50 gal trashbag full of acetylene and oxygen.

Nuclear purple flash, a bang that'll echo for 10 seconds (at least in
the hudson valley), surprisingly little destructive power, and no
evidence except tiny bits of melted plastic.

I was thinking, buy 3-4 helium balloons, tie one balloon full of O/A
to them, add a fuse, light the fuse and let it fly up in the air
before exploding. Kids might like it.

Long fuse.


Simply fill a 3 liter soda bottle about 2/3 full of water, pour in a few
ounces of Drano, add a couple bits of aluminum, foil is best but
cuttings work, and shake well. Then attach a good sized balloon to the
top of the bottle to be filled by the hydrogen Generator you just
manufactured.

When filled, take outside, tie closed with Cotton string....long
one...light end of cotton string and release.

Up and away!

Hardly makes a sound but sure is pretty when it blows

Gunner

Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.

On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:52:58 -0800, Jim Stewart
wrote:

Ignoramus27891 wrote:
On 2010-01-28, William Wixon wrote:
"Dave__67" wrote in message
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I prefer a 50 gal trashbag full of acetylene and oxygen.

Nuclear purple flash, a bang that'll echo for 10 seconds (at least in
the hudson valley), surprisingly little destructive power, and no
evidence except tiny bits of melted plastic.

I was thinking, buy 3-4 helium balloons, tie one balloon full of O/A
to them, add a fuse, light the fuse and let it fly up in the air
before exploding. Kids might like it.

Don't. If you want to fuss around with
acetylene, get some calcium carbide and
play with it.


Why? An OA rig removes the evidence

Gunner

Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:52:58 -0800, Jim
wrote:

Ignoramus27891 wrote:
On 2010-01-28, William wrote:
wrote in message
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I prefer a 50 gal trashbag full of acetylene and oxygen.

Nuclear purple flash, a bang that'll echo for 10 seconds (at least in
the hudson valley), surprisingly little destructive power, and no
evidence except tiny bits of melted plastic.

I was thinking, buy 3-4 helium balloons, tie one balloon full of O/A
to them, add a fuse, light the fuse and let it fly up in the air
before exploding. Kids might like it.

Don't. If you want to fuss around with
acetylene, get some calcium carbide and
play with it.


Why? An OA rig removes the evidence

I guess because I played around with it a lot
when I was a kid. I grew up in coal mining
country and it was easy to get. I never managed
to hurt myself worse than ringing ears and a
cuff from my dad. There's considerably more
potential for destruction with an O/A rig.