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"Cliff" wrote in message
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"Michigan weapons company Trijicon takes flak over soldiers' rifle scopes
branded with Bible verses"

A Michigan weapons company is under fire for branding thousands of rifle
scopes used by U.S. soldiers and Marines in Iraq and Afghanistan with
passages from the Bible.

Along with the sight's stock number, there are coded Bible passages from
the New Testament engraved on the sights. One reads JN8:12, an apparent
reference to John 8:12, which says, "Whoever follows me will never walk in
darkness, but will have the light of life."

It's also nice that the US military has been forcing bibles on folks in
the Middle East.

Produce a credible CITE.


A cite for the sights, or the bible thing? The sights are easy. I checked my
Trijicon ACOG and it has COR6:12 engaved on it. I've had it a long time, they
have been doing it for awhile.


--
Dennis

DT wrote:
In article ,
says...
"Cliff" wrote in message
...
"Michigan weapons company Trijicon takes flak over soldiers' rifle scopes
branded with Bible verses"

A Michigan weapons company is under fire for branding thousands of rifle
scopes used by U.S. soldiers and Marines in Iraq and Afghanistan with
passages from the Bible.

Along with the sight's stock number, there are coded Bible passages from
the New Testament engraved on the sights. One reads JN8:12, an apparent
reference to John 8:12, which says, "Whoever follows me will never walk in
darkness, but will have the light of life."

It's also nice that the US military has been forcing bibles on folks in
the Middle East.

Produce a credible CITE.


A cite for the sights, or the bible thing? The sights are easy. I checked my
Trijicon ACOG and it has COR6:12 engaved on it. I've had it a long time, they
have been doing it for awhile.



They have been adding the bible verse numbers on the sights since day
one of production.
They also promote membership in the NRA and Shooting Sports as well as
private gun ownership...

TRIJICON'S VALUES

• Honesty/Integrity
We will be honest, dependable, trustworthy and fair towards each other,
our employees, our customers and our suppliers.

• Teamwork/Dedication
We will work together as employees, customers and suppliers, valuing the
unique contributions of each, to produce optimal aiming solutions.

• Customers
We desire long-term relationships with our customers. We will listen and
continually improve our products to meet their needs.

• Quality/Innovation
We will strive to attain a zero-defect rate in all our processes. Our
products will be made to maximize durability and service life. We will
continue to lead our industry by encouraging creative solutions.

• Morality
We believe that America is great when its people are good. This goodness
has been based on biblical standards throughout our history and we will
strive to follow those morals.


Not surprising that ABC and the Atheist Mr. Weinstein complain about it.

--
Steve W.

"Steve W." wrote:

They have been adding the bible verse numbers on the sights since day
one of production.
They also promote membership in the NRA and Shooting Sports as well as
private gun ownership...

TRIJICON'S VALUES

• Honesty/Integrity
We will be honest, dependable, trustworthy and fair towards each other,
our employees, our customers and our suppliers.

• Teamwork/Dedication
We will work together as employees, customers and suppliers, valuing the
unique contributions of each, to produce optimal aiming solutions.

• Customers
We desire long-term relationships with our customers. We will listen and
continually improve our products to meet their needs.

• Quality/Innovation
We will strive to attain a zero-defect rate in all our processes. Our
products will be made to maximize durability and service life. We will
continue to lead our industry by encouraging creative solutions.

• Morality
We believe that America is great when its people are good. This goodness
has been based on biblical standards throughout our history and we will
strive to follow those morals.


Not surprising that ABC and the Atheist Mr. Weinstein complain about it.

There are few atheists in a fox hole.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

Wes wrote:

"Steve W." wrote:

They have been adding the bible verse numbers on the sights since day
one of production.
They also promote membership in the NRA and Shooting Sports as well as
private gun ownership...

TRIJICON'S VALUES

• Honesty/Integrity
We will be honest, dependable, trustworthy and fair towards each other,
our employees, our customers and our suppliers.

• Teamwork/Dedication
We will work together as employees, customers and suppliers, valuing the
unique contributions of each, to produce optimal aiming solutions.

• Customers
We desire long-term relationships with our customers. We will listen and
continually improve our products to meet their needs.

• Quality/Innovation
We will strive to attain a zero-defect rate in all our processes. Our
products will be made to maximize durability and service life. We will
continue to lead our industry by encouraging creative solutions.

• Morality
We believe that America is great when its people are good. This goodness
has been based on biblical standards throughout our history and we will
strive to follow those morals.


Not surprising that ABC and the Atheist Mr. Weinstein complain about it.

There are few atheists in a fox hole.

There are far more atheists in those proverbial fox holes than the
religious types want to believe.

Pete C. wrote:
Wes wrote:

"Steve W." wrote:

They have been adding the bible verse numbers on the sights since
day one of production.
They also promote membership in the NRA and Shooting Sports as well
as private gun ownership...

TRIJICON'S VALUES

. Honesty/Integrity
We will be honest, dependable, trustworthy and fair towards each
other, our employees, our customers and our suppliers.

. Teamwork/Dedication
We will work together as employees, customers and suppliers,
valuing the unique contributions of each, to produce optimal aiming
solutions.

. Customers
We desire long-term relationships with our customers. We will
listen and continually improve our products to meet their needs.

. Quality/Innovation
We will strive to attain a zero-defect rate in all our processes.
Our products will be made to maximize durability and service life.
We will continue to lead our industry by encouraging creative
solutions.

. Morality
We believe that America is great when its people are good. This
goodness has been based on biblical standards throughout our
history and we will strive to follow those morals.


Not surprising that ABC and the Atheist Mr. Weinstein complain
about it.

There are few atheists in a fox hole.

There are far more atheists in those proverbial fox holes than the
religious types want to believe.

Yeah.
M'fing gook ******* was my "prayer" of choice and God didn't help them when
they let me up.
He didn't help me either. Mr. Mossberg, Senior Colt and the others were,
however, in evidence and the results spoke for themselves.
MacDonnel Douglass came in handy, courtesy of that crappy radio my RTO had.

I want an F-4 and an Intruder on my tombstone and I still have that goofy
battery powered thing that broadcast guard only.


--
John R. Carroll

Wes wrote:
"Steve W." wrote:

They have been adding the bible verse numbers on the sights since day
one of production.
They also promote membership in the NRA and Shooting Sports as well
as private gun ownership...

TRIJICON'S VALUES

. Honesty/Integrity
We will be honest, dependable, trustworthy and fair towards each
other, our employees, our customers and our suppliers.

. Teamwork/Dedication
We will work together as employees, customers and suppliers, valuing
the unique contributions of each, to produce optimal aiming
solutions.

. Customers
We desire long-term relationships with our customers. We will listen
and continually improve our products to meet their needs.

. Quality/Innovation
We will strive to attain a zero-defect rate in all our processes. Our
products will be made to maximize durability and service life. We
will continue to lead our industry by encouraging creative solutions.

. Morality
We believe that America is great when its people are good. This
goodness has been based on biblical standards throughout our history
and we will strive to follow those morals.


Not surprising that ABC and the Atheist Mr. Weinstein complain about
it.

There are few atheists in a fox hole.

How would you know that Wes?



--
John R. Carroll

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:56:16 -0600, "Pete C."
wrote:


Wes wrote:

"Steve W." wrote:

They have been adding the bible verse numbers on the sights since day
one of production.
They also promote membership in the NRA and Shooting Sports as well as
private gun ownership...

TRIJICON'S VALUES

• Honesty/Integrity
We will be honest, dependable, trustworthy and fair towards each other,
our employees, our customers and our suppliers.

• Teamwork/Dedication
We will work together as employees, customers and suppliers, valuing the
unique contributions of each, to produce optimal aiming solutions.

• Customers
We desire long-term relationships with our customers. We will listen and
continually improve our products to meet their needs.

• Quality/Innovation
We will strive to attain a zero-defect rate in all our processes. Our
products will be made to maximize durability and service life. We will
continue to lead our industry by encouraging creative solutions.

• Morality
We believe that America is great when its people are good. This goodness
has been based on biblical standards throughout our history and we will
strive to follow those morals.


Not surprising that ABC and the Atheist Mr. Weinstein complain about it.

There are few atheists in a fox hole.

There are far more atheists in those proverbial fox holes than the
religious types want to believe.


But a hell of a lot less than the atheists think.

Gunner

The current Democratic party has lost its ideological basis for
existence.
- It is NOT fiscally responsible.
- It is NOT ethically honorable.
- It has started wars based on lies.
- It does not support the well-being of americans - only billionaires.
- It has suppresed constitutional guaranteed liberties.
- It has foisted a liar as president upon America.
- It has violated US national sovereignty in trade treaties.
- It has refused to enforce the national borders.

....It no longer has valid reasons to exist.
Lorad474

Wes wrote:
"Steve W." wrote:

They have been adding the bible verse numbers on the sights since day
one of production.
They also promote membership in the NRA and Shooting Sports as well as
private gun ownership...

TRIJICON'S VALUES

• Honesty/Integrity
We will be honest, dependable, trustworthy and fair towards each other,
our employees, our customers and our suppliers.

• Teamwork/Dedication
We will work together as employees, customers and suppliers, valuing the
unique contributions of each, to produce optimal aiming solutions.

• Customers
We desire long-term relationships with our customers. We will listen and
continually improve our products to meet their needs.

• Quality/Innovation
We will strive to attain a zero-defect rate in all our processes. Our
products will be made to maximize durability and service life. We will
continue to lead our industry by encouraging creative solutions.

• Morality
We believe that America is great when its people are good. This goodness
has been based on biblical standards throughout our history and we will
strive to follow those morals.


Not surprising that ABC and the Atheist Mr. Weinstein complain about it.

There are few atheists in a fox hole.


Oh, Please. Not that one again. If you are talking about a battle
between Christians and Muslims you're probably right. Both sides have
nothing but believers so of course there are no atheists. But the truth
is there have always been plenty of unbelievers and many of them have
wound up in foxholes. So the only validity of your statement has to do
with the proportion of atheists in society as a whole. The number given
these days usually is around 10% atheists so you would expect about the
same number to be in the military as well. So what is your claim
supposed to prove?

Hawke

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on or
about Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:53:16 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
We believe that America is great when its people are good. This goodness
has been based on biblical standards throughout our history and we will
strive to follow those morals.


Not surprising that ABC and the Atheist Mr. Weinstein complain about it.

There are few atheists in a fox hole.

There are far more atheists in those proverbial fox holes than the
religious types want to believe.


But a hell of a lot less than the atheists think.

OTOH, while it may be true that there are no atheists in foxholes,
that does not mean they're all good "doctrinally sound" believers. B-)
But as Fr Nicolas said, on hearing that his fellow war vet had
left the church of his youth "Fine. Before God can lead into the
Truth, he must first lead you out of error."
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

A Michigan weapons company is under fire for branding thousands of rifle
scopes used by U.S. soldiers and Marines in Iraq and Afghanistan with
passages from the Bible.

Along with the sight's stock number, there are coded Bible passages from
the New Testament engraved on the sights. One reads JN8:12, an apparent
reference to John 8:12, which says, "Whoever follows me will never walk in
darkness, but will have the light of life."

It's also nice that the US military has been forcing bibles on folks in
the Middle East.
Produce a credible CITE.

A cite for the sights, or the bible thing? The sights are easy. I checked my
Trijicon ACOG and it has COR6:12 engaved on it. I've had it a long time, they
have been doing it for awhile.



They have been adding the bible verse numbers on the sights since day
one of production.
They also promote membership in the NRA and Shooting Sports as well as
private gun ownership...


Gee, I wonder why Trijicon would be getting flak for putting bible
references on the sights it sends to the Middle East? Could it be that
the Muslims who see these bible quotes on the M16s of the invading
forces might think the conflict is one where the Christians are back on
another Crusade against their faith? They wouldn't pick up on the
Christians vs Muslims thing would they? I mean they aren't the kind of
people who would remember things from ancient times like the Crusades,
right? Seeing the quotes from the bible wouldn't have the effect of
making them more willing to fight the infidels now would it? You have to
be pretty thick not to see why it's not a good idea to make this a
religious war, and what Trijicon is doing is not helpful.

Hawke

"John R. Carroll" wrote:

There are few atheists in a fox hole.

How would you know that Wes?


You know darn well that I served in peace time. Obviously I was repeating a saying I have
heard.

Please explain why there is a Chaplain Corps in the various military services?

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

Wes wrote:
"John R. Carroll" wrote:

There are few atheists in a fox hole.

How would you know that Wes?


You know darn well that I served in peace time. Obviously I was
repeating a saying I have heard.

Yeah.
I was just screwin' with you.
LOL


Please explain why there is a Chaplain Corps in the various military
services?

To keep an eye on them.



--
John R. Carroll

"Hawke" wrote in message
...

A Michigan weapons company is under fire for branding thousands of
rifle scopes used by U.S. soldiers and Marines in Iraq and Afghanistan
with passages from the Bible.

Along with the sight's stock number, there are coded Bible passages
from the New Testament engraved on the sights. One reads JN8:12, an
apparent reference to John 8:12, which says, "Whoever follows me will
never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."

It's also nice that the US military has been forcing bibles on folks
in
the Middle East.
Produce a credible CITE.

A cite for the sights, or the bible thing? The sights are easy. I
checked my Trijicon ACOG and it has COR6:12 engaved on it. I've had it a
long time, they have been doing it for awhile.



They have been adding the bible verse numbers on the sights since day
one of production.
They also promote membership in the NRA and Shooting Sports as well as
private gun ownership...


Gee, I wonder why Trijicon would be getting flak for putting bible
references on the sights it sends to the Middle East? Could it be that the
Muslims who see these bible quotes on the M16s of the invading forces
might think the conflict is one where the Christians are back on another
Crusade against their faith? They wouldn't pick up on the Christians vs
Muslims thing would they? I mean they aren't the kind of people who would
remember things from ancient times like the Crusades, right? Seeing the
quotes from the bible wouldn't have the effect of making them more willing
to fight the infidels now would it? You have to be pretty thick not to see
why it's not a good idea to make this a religious war, and what Trijicon
is doing is not helpful.


The liberals in America forgot that they were attacked by the Muslims on
9-11-01, so why should we believe that Muslims can remember ancient times? I
love my Trijicon sights, by the way.

Gee, I wonder why Trijicon would be getting flak for putting bible
references on the sights it sends to the Middle East? Could it be that
the Muslims who see these bible quotes on the M16s of the invading
forces might think the conflict is one where the Christians are back
on another Crusade against their faith? They wouldn't pick up on the
Christians vs Muslims thing would they? I mean they aren't the kind of
people who would remember things from ancient times like the Crusades,
right? Seeing the quotes from the bible wouldn't have the effect of
making them more willing to fight the infidels now would it? You have
to be pretty thick not to see why it's not a good idea to make this a
religious war, and what Trijicon is doing is not helpful.


The liberals in America forgot that they were attacked by the Muslims on
9-11-01, so why should we believe that Muslims can remember ancient
times? I love my Trijicon sights, by the way.

Nothing wrong with the sights just with the idiot bible thumpers who
decided to put religious symbols on them. And if you think it was
Muslims who attacked on 9/11 then you should know that the Muslims think
it was the Christians who attacked them in Iraq. Enough of them know
what war against Christians was to think the Christians are at it again.
Believing it's another crusade helps the suicide bombers be willing to
die in the cause. I think some of our men are dead and maimed due to
that. You can attribute that directly to making it a Christian vs Muslim
war. Then you put Christian symbols on our weapons and look what you get.

Hawke