My mom and dad want to buy my 5 year old a 4 wheeler for Christmas and
found a person who buys them and assembles them to sell. A 110 camo
was 579. A 125 was 799.

Where do people order these things from to re sell and are they junk?
The person on the phone said they were identical to a Honda in terms
of the engine and somethign abotu the company buying a patten from
Honda?

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:32:21 -0800, stryped wrote:

My mom and dad want to buy my 5 year old a 4 wheeler for Christmas and
found a person who buys them and assembles them to sell. A 110 camo was
579. A 125 was 799.

Where do people order these things from to re sell and are they junk?
The person on the phone said they were identical to a Honda in terms of
the engine and somethign abotu the company buying a patten from Honda?

Well, lessee -- they're hard to get, there's no one established who's
willing to sell them, and they come from China.

Does the phrase "Chinese Copy" ring any bells?

Ask yourself the following questions, then make your own decision:

"Where am I going to get repair parts?"
"Who do I go to if it dies on day #2?"
"Who do I go to if it dies _and_ injures my kid on day #2?"

--
www.wescottdesign.com

--FWIW a couple of years back there were a slew of these around and
I bought one with the Honda 150 clone engine. Engine's OK but you might want
to improve the air filtration: it's lousy. Things to be aware of,
Chinese vehicles: they don't race 'em and it shows; i.e. steering geometry
is horrible, suspension sucks, brakes adequate; tubing for fluids is wrong,
various other shortfalls. Needs a bigger battery, etc; everything about it
spells 'minimal'. If you're going to beat it to death you'll succeed in
short order.

--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : Currently broke and
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : looking for a job...
www.nmpproducts.com
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:58:05 -0600, Tim Wescott
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:32:21 -0800, stryped wrote:

My mom and dad want to buy my 5 year old a 4 wheeler for Christmas and
found a person who buys them and assembles them to sell. A 110 camo was
579. A 125 was 799.

Where do people order these things from to re sell and are they junk?
The person on the phone said they were identical to a Honda in terms of
the engine and somethign abotu the company buying a patten from Honda?

Well, lessee -- they're hard to get, there's no one established who's
willing to sell them, and they come from China.

Does the phrase "Chinese Copy" ring any bells?

Ask yourself the following questions, then make your own decision:

"Where am I going to get repair parts?"
"Who do I go to if it dies on day #2?"
"Who do I go to if it dies _and_ injures my kid on day #2?"



It's like with most Chinese stuff. If you buy 100, you MIGHT get 20
real nice ones - well assembled, with good tolerances and metalurgy
that will last 5 years. You might get 20 that are total junk right out
of the box, and 30 that last 9 months and 30 that last 18.

It's not that the Chinese CAN"T make good product - it's that they are
terribly inconsistent, and quality control is next to non-existant -
on the whole.

On Dec 14, 12:32*pm, stryped wrote:
My mom and dad want to buy my 5 year old a 4 wheeler for Christmas and
found a person who buys them and assembles them to sell. A 110 camo
was 579. A 125 was 799.

Where do people order these things from to re sell and are they junk?
The person on the phone said they were identical to a Honda in terms
of the engine and somethign abotu the company buying a patten from
Honda?

Death by a thousand paper cuts.

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:51:42 -0500, clare wrote:

It's not that the Chinese CAN"T make good product - it's that they are
terribly inconsistent, and quality control is next to non-existant -
on the whole.

They don't always make good product because people will preferentially buy
crap that's $1.00 cheaper than the good stuff.

Cheers!
Rich

"Tim Wescott" wrote in message
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:32:21 -0800, stryped wrote:

My mom and dad want to buy my 5 year old a 4 wheeler for
Christmas and
found a person who buys them and assembles them to sell.
A 110 camo was
579. A 125 was 799.

Where do people order these things from to re sell and
are they junk?
The person on the phone said they were identical to a
Honda in terms of
the engine and somethign abotu the company buying a
patten from Honda?

Well, lessee -- they're hard to get, there's no one
established who's
willing to sell them, and they come from China.

Does the phrase "Chinese Copy" ring any bells?

Ask yourself the following questions, then make your own
decision:

"Where am I going to get repair parts?"
"Who do I go to if it dies on day #2?"
"Who do I go to if it dies _and_ injures my kid on day
#2?"

--

Seems to me there's a good chance of injury to a kid running
a 110 or 125 cc
machine. That's a fair amount of power, can a kid that age
handle it?
But then I'm old and stuck in my ways....
phil

"stryped" wrote in message
...
My mom and dad want to buy my 5 year old a 4 wheeler for Christmas and
found a person who buys them and assembles them to sell. A 110 camo
was 579. A 125 was 799.

Where do people order these things from to re sell and are they junk?
The person on the phone said they were identical to a Honda in terms
of the engine and somethign abotu the company buying a patten from
Honda?

Google ATV accident statistics for children before you make up your mind.
Manufacturers are required to put a 16 year old age minimum on ATVs. The
manufacturers get around this by making them less than a certain cc
displacement.

Don't take this the wrong way. ATVs are dangerous, and no child that age is
capable of operating one, and I don't care how smart your grandson is.
Hell, I broke my back on one a year and a half ago, and I've been riding
motorcycles for 45 years, and ATVs for ten.

Children that age do not have the capability of processing all the
information it takes for one of these. You are buying heartache if you do
get the kid one, I PROMISE YOU. If you are dead set on getting one, get one
of the major brand name ones, as at least you'll be able to rebuild it when
he crashes and give it to their surviving sibling when they get old enough
to ride according to your standards.

I am serious. The statistics and facts tell you :

DON'T DO IT.

I don't agree with the sixteen year old thing, but I'd say that at least ten
or twelve, and then supervised. Most of the worst accidents happen in two
scenarios: 1. unsupervised rides and 2. carrying passengers. And usually
ANY accident on an ATV is bad. My retired AF buddy crashed his two weeks
ago, totaled it, thrashed $2500 in camera gear, and got pretty banged up. A
grown man who flies airplanes.

It can happen.

Steve

"Phil Kangas" wrote in message
...

"Tim Wescott" wrote in message
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:32:21 -0800, stryped wrote:

My mom and dad want to buy my 5 year old a 4 wheeler for Christmas and
found a person who buys them and assembles them to sell. A 110 camo was
579. A 125 was 799.

Where do people order these things from to re sell and are they junk?
The person on the phone said they were identical to a Honda in terms of
the engine and somethign abotu the company buying a patten from Honda?

Well, lessee -- they're hard to get, there's no one established who's
willing to sell them, and they come from China.

Does the phrase "Chinese Copy" ring any bells?

Ask yourself the following questions, then make your own decision:

"Where am I going to get repair parts?"
"Who do I go to if it dies on day #2?"
"Who do I go to if it dies _and_ injures my kid on day #2?"

--

Seems to me there's a good chance of injury to a kid running a 110 or 125
cc
machine. That's a fair amount of power, can a kid that age handle it?
But then I'm old and stuck in my ways....
phil

I'm with you, Phil. It's the lack of experience. I saw a kid get killed on
a motorcycle when I was 14. He had owned it two days.

Steve

stryped wrote:
My mom and dad want to buy my 5 year old a 4 wheeler for Christmas and
found a person who buys them and assembles them to sell. A 110 camo
was 579. A 125 was 799.

Where do people order these things from to re sell and are they junk?
The person on the phone said they were identical to a Honda in terms
of the engine and somethign abotu the company buying a patten from
Honda?


Close, The companies (3 of them) actually are using a 70's Honda design
for the engines/trans. They did add CDI ignition though. They also use
the same engines in many versions, So if you buy a 125 dirt bike, 125 4
wheeler, 125 road bike they use the same engine with just a different
exhaust pipe.
I get a few in to work on and they are not badly built. You do want to
go over them close to make sure they are together correctly. And you
will want to check for the vent, fuel and tank overflow, are properly
routed.

Parts are available for most of them easy enough. Some parts are
knock-off parts and the original makers parts usually fit. The biggest
problem I have seen is in the carbs. The ones they use are OLD designs
and have a nasty habit of sticking floats and leaks, just like the
originals they copied!
I usually change those out with a good replacement. Makes a world of
difference.

--
Steve W.

stryped wrote:
My mom and dad want to buy my 5 year old a 4 wheeler for Christmas and
found a person who buys them and assembles them to sell. A 110 camo
was 579. A 125 was 799.

Where do people order these things from to re sell and are they junk?
The person on the phone said they were identical to a Honda in terms
of the engine and somethign abotu the company buying a patten from
Honda?

A mate of mine got his son of a similar age a Lotus 7 style go cart but
he did ditch the engine and fitted the motor and electronic controls
from a mobility scooter. Kid loved it and it wasn't fast enough to be
dangerous. He used it to play around the garden. IIRC he did use it
under supervision and dad fitted a remote control kill switch just in
case. The latest project was doing similar with a wheelhorse? lawn
tractor. A guy he knew also came to me for some machining on a similar
project, that was to build a miniature Landrover for his god son, again
based on mobility scooter components.

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:08:10 +0000, David Billington
wrote:

stryped wrote:
My mom and dad want to buy my 5 year old a 4 wheeler for Christmas and
found a person who buys them and assembles them to sell. A 110 camo
was 579. A 125 was 799.

Where do people order these things from to re sell and are they junk?
The person on the phone said they were identical to a Honda in terms
of the engine and somethign abotu the company buying a patten from
Honda?

A mate of mine got his son of a similar age a Lotus 7 style go cart but
he did ditch the engine and fitted the motor and electronic controls
from a mobility scooter. Kid loved it and it wasn't fast enough to be
dangerous. He used it to play around the garden. IIRC he did use it
under supervision and dad fitted a remote control kill switch just in
case. The latest project was doing similar with a wheelhorse? lawn
tractor. A guy he knew also came to me for some machining on a similar
project, that was to build a miniature Landrover for his god son, again
based on mobility scooter components.


Damnit. I had a BRM racing car _pedal_ car at that age. It was the best
present I ever got!

Mark Rand
RTFM

"stryped" wrote in message
...
My mom and dad want to buy my 5 year old a 4 wheeler for Christmas and
found a person who buys them and assembles them to sell. A 110 camo
was 579. A 125 was 799.

Where do people order these things from to re sell and are they junk?
The person on the phone said they were identical to a Honda in terms
of the engine and somethign abotu the company buying a patten from
Honda?

A friend of mine repairs motorcycle and someone brought him a Chicom ATV
with a bad starter. Good news, the stater was available, bad news the
starter for the $700 ATV was $500!!!
Greg O

stryped wrote:
My mom and dad want to buy my 5 year old a 4 wheeler for Christmas and
found a person who buys them and assembles them to sell. A 110 camo
was 579. A 125 was 799.

5 year olds can't even cross the street correctly.

not sure why anybody would put them on an ATV.

"stryped" wrote in message
...
My mom and dad want to buy my 5 year old a 4 wheeler for Christmas

At 5 years old a battery powered car is plenty of fun.

On Dec 14, 12:32*pm, stryped wrote:
My mom and dad want to buy my 5 year old a 4 wheeler for Christmas and
found a person who buys them and assembles them to sell. A 110 camo
was 579. A 125 was 799.

Where do people order these things from to re sell and are they junk?
The person on the phone said they were identical to a Honda in terms
of the engine and somethign abotu the company buying a patten from
Honda?

What about one of those dune buggy type things from trator supply?

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:32:21 -0800 (PST), stryped
wrote:

My mom and dad want to buy my 5 year old a 4 wheeler for Christmas and
found a person who buys them and assembles them to sell. A 110 camo
was 579. A 125 was 799.

Where do people order these things from to re sell and are they junk?
The person on the phone said they were identical to a Honda in terms
of the engine and somethign abotu the company buying a patten from
Honda?



For a 5 YO I'd 3rd the electric battery powered version. I did buy my
kid a Chicom 110 CC dirt bike, $200 on ebay VS $2000 for the Honda.
Ran well, bolts kept getting loose and falling out. He did break the
frame in half, It's a good thing I own my own shop.

A buddy of mine did get a helicopter ride off the side of a mountain
when he crashed his ATV, Kawasaki 650. big thing!

Thank You,
Randy

Remove 333 from email address to reply.

"ATP*" wrote in message
...

"stryped" wrote in message
...
My mom and dad want to buy my 5 year old a 4 wheeler for Christmas

At 5 years old a battery powered car is plenty of fun.

Now yer talking. We have them for our two grandsons, 4+ and 6+. Those two
get into enough trouble on those not following rules, I can't imagine what
they'd do with anything faster. They love them, and they're still fast
enough to get them in trouble.

Steve

"stryped" wrote in message
...
On Dec 14, 12:32 pm, stryped wrote:
My mom and dad want to buy my 5 year old a 4 wheeler for Christmas and
found a person who buys them and assembles them to sell. A 110 camo
was 579. A 125 was 799.

Where do people order these things from to re sell and are they junk?
The person on the phone said they were identical to a Honda in terms
of the engine and somethign abotu the company buying a patten from
Honda?

What about one of those dune buggy type things from trator supply?

reply: For a five year old? Now I KNOW you're trolling.

Steve

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:55:28 -0800, Steve B wrote:
"Phil Kangas" wrote in message
"Tim Wescott" wrote in message
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:32:21 -0800, stryped wrote:

My mom and dad want to buy my 5 year old a 4 wheeler for Christmas and
found a person who buys them and assembles them to sell. A 110 camo was
579. A 125 was 799.

Where do people order these things from to re sell and are they junk?
The person on the phone said they were identical to a Honda in terms of
the engine and somethign abotu the company buying a patten from Honda?

Well, lessee -- they're hard to get, there's no one established who's
willing to sell them, and they come from China.

Does the phrase "Chinese Copy" ring any bells?

Ask yourself the following questions, then make your own decision:

"Where am I going to get repair parts?"
"Who do I go to if it dies on day #2?"
"Who do I go to if it dies _and_ injures my kid on day #2?"

Seems to me there's a good chance of injury to a kid running a 110 or 125
cc
machine. That's a fair amount of power, can a kid that age handle it?
But then I'm old and stuck in my ways....
phil

I'm with you, Phil. It's the lack of experience. I saw a kid get killed on
a motorcycle when I was 14. He had owned it two days.

The Darwin Effect. Throw a little chlorine into the gene pool!

I have no sympathy for people who kill themselves by their own stupidity.

Cheers!
Rich

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:20:18 -0800, the renowned "Steve B"
wrote:


"Rich Grise" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:55:28 -0800, Steve B wrote:
"Phil Kangas" wrote in message
"Tim Wescott" wrote in message
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:32:21 -0800, stryped wrote:

My mom and dad want to buy my 5 year old a 4 wheeler for Christmas and
found a person who buys them and assembles them to sell. A 110 camo
was
579. A 125 was 799.

Where do people order these things from to re sell and are they junk?
The person on the phone said they were identical to a Honda in terms
of
the engine and somethign abotu the company buying a patten from Honda?

Well, lessee -- they're hard to get, there's no one established who's
willing to sell them, and they come from China.

Does the phrase "Chinese Copy" ring any bells?

Ask yourself the following questions, then make your own decision:

"Where am I going to get repair parts?"
"Who do I go to if it dies on day #2?"
"Who do I go to if it dies _and_ injures my kid on day #2?"

Seems to me there's a good chance of injury to a kid running a 110 or
125
cc
machine. That's a fair amount of power, can a kid that age handle it?
But then I'm old and stuck in my ways....
phil

I'm with you, Phil. It's the lack of experience. I saw a kid get killed
on
a motorcycle when I was 14. He had owned it two days.

The Darwin Effect. Throw a little chlorine into the gene pool!

I have no sympathy for people who kill themselves by their own stupidity.

Cheers!
Rich

Does that include a 5 year old who has just been given a new quad by an
adult?

Steve

Killing your offspring through criminal negligence produces pretty
much the same results as killing yourself, genetically speaking.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

"Rich Grise" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:55:28 -0800, Steve B wrote:
"Phil Kangas" wrote in message
"Tim Wescott" wrote in message
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:32:21 -0800, stryped wrote:

My mom and dad want to buy my 5 year old a 4 wheeler for Christmas and
found a person who buys them and assembles them to sell. A 110 camo
was
579. A 125 was 799.

Where do people order these things from to re sell and are they junk?
The person on the phone said they were identical to a Honda in terms
of
the engine and somethign abotu the company buying a patten from Honda?

Well, lessee -- they're hard to get, there's no one established who's
willing to sell them, and they come from China.

Does the phrase "Chinese Copy" ring any bells?

Ask yourself the following questions, then make your own decision:

"Where am I going to get repair parts?"
"Who do I go to if it dies on day #2?"
"Who do I go to if it dies _and_ injures my kid on day #2?"

Seems to me there's a good chance of injury to a kid running a 110 or
125
cc
machine. That's a fair amount of power, can a kid that age handle it?
But then I'm old and stuck in my ways....
phil

I'm with you, Phil. It's the lack of experience. I saw a kid get killed
on
a motorcycle when I was 14. He had owned it two days.

The Darwin Effect. Throw a little chlorine into the gene pool!

I have no sympathy for people who kill themselves by their own stupidity.

Cheers!
Rich

Does that include a 5 year old who has just been given a new quad by an
adult?

Steve

"Rich Grise" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:55:28 -0800, Steve B wrote:


I'm with you, Phil. It's the lack of experience. I saw a kid get killed
on
a motorcycle when I was 14. He had owned it two days.

The Darwin Effect. Throw a little chlorine into the gene pool!

I have no sympathy for people who kill themselves by their own stupidity.

Cheers!
Rich

The kid was hit from behind by a guy drag racing.

Steve