William Wixon wrote:
just wondering, brainstorming, any ideas on how to cut through the steel
belts of an automobile tire?

Carbide grit sawzall blade?

Position yerself upwind.

--Winston

just wondering, brainstorming, any ideas on how to cut through the steel
belts of an automobile tire? simple, easy, fast? i'd think trying to saw
through it with a bandsaw wouldn't work very well, would have trouble
cutting the wires of the steel belt. sawing though with an abrasive cut off
wheel would cut the wires but would be VERY smoky (btdt) (and the rubber
binds the blade). hand operated tin snips would be *very* difficult. i
don't want to invest hundreds of dollars into a machine like what they have
at the scrap man (a huge powerful snipper). i'd guess trying to use one of
the new carbide steel cutting circular saw blades wouldn't work very well,
i'm guessing the rubber would bind on the blade, probably wouldn't cut thin
wires very well, probably also be smoky. any suggestions? i'd like to cut
up a tire (or tires) into like pie shaped sections. ideally it would be
better to get a non-steel (polyester/nylon) belted tire, but this would be
for a recycling project, would want to be able to use what i get. i suppose
this is why people don't cut up tires for recycling projects more often, too
difficult to cut the combination of rubber and steel wires(?).

b.w.

On Nov 1, 2:15*am, "William Wixon" wrote:
just wondering, brainstorming, any ideas on how to cut through the steel
belts of an automobile tire? *simple, easy, fast? *i'd think trying to saw
through it with a bandsaw wouldn't work very well, would have trouble
cutting the wires of the steel belt. *sawing though with an abrasive cut off
wheel would cut the wires but would be VERY smoky (btdt) (and the rubber
binds the blade). *hand operated tin snips would be *very* difficult. *i
don't want to invest hundreds of dollars into a machine like what they have
at the scrap man (a huge powerful snipper). *i'd guess trying to use one of
the new carbide steel cutting circular saw blades wouldn't work very well,
i'm guessing the rubber would bind on the blade, probably wouldn't cut thin
wires very well, probably also be smoky. *any suggestions? *i'd like to cut
up a tire (or tires) into like pie shaped sections. *ideally it would be
better to get a non-steel (polyester/nylon) belted tire, but this would be
for a recycling project, would want to be able to use what i get. *i suppose
this is why people don't cut up tires for recycling projects more often, too
difficult to cut the combination of rubber and steel wires(?).

b.w.

They've tried a lot of things around here for tire recycling, most of
the shredders cost millions, one reason we've got one of the world's
largest tire piles in the state. If I were to do it for a one-off,
I'd just get out a sidewinder and have at it. Rubber's nasty stuff to
actually cut, anyway, the embedded steel just makes it worse. Just
stay upwind!
One of the old-timey dodges for turning rubber rollers was to freeze
the thing before trying to machine it. Got some liquid nitrogen?

I've seen dock fenders made from flattened tires, were just cut at
regular intervals from bead to tread and nailed on. Not sure how it
was done, probably just a guy with a hacksaw and a lot of spare time.


Stan

"William Wixon" wrote in message
...
just wondering, brainstorming, any ideas on how to cut through the steel
belts of an automobile tire? simple, easy, fast? i'd think trying to saw
through it with a bandsaw wouldn't work very well, would have trouble
cutting the wires of the steel belt. sawing though with an abrasive cut
off wheel would cut the wires but would be VERY smoky (btdt) (and the
rubber binds the blade). hand operated tin snips would be *very*
difficult. i don't want to invest hundreds of dollars into a machine like
what they have at the scrap man (a huge powerful snipper). i'd guess
trying to use one of the new carbide steel cutting circular saw blades
wouldn't work very well, i'm guessing the rubber would bind on the blade,
probably wouldn't cut thin wires very well, probably also be smoky. any
suggestions? i'd like to cut up a tire (or tires) into like pie shaped
sections. ideally it would be better to get a non-steel (polyester/nylon)
belted tire, but this would be for a recycling project, would want to be
able to use what i get. i suppose this is why people don't cut up tires
for recycling projects more often, too difficult to cut the combination of
rubber and steel wires(?).

b.w.


Take a sharp utility knife and cut the tread loose from the sidewalls. Use a
thin cut wheel on a grinder to cut the steel belts from the inside. The
rubber isn't as thick there.
Steve

do you want to make something from the tire or just cut it off the wheel?
if you want to make something (like machinery pads - old tires are great to
put under heavy stuff if cut into 4X4 or so pads) you might try the harbor
freight metal cutting circular saw - it's got a lower speed carbide tipped
blade that won't jam up and should cut it well - you can also cut through
the wheel if that is helpful

"William Wixon" wrote in message
...
just wondering, brainstorming, any ideas on how to cut through the steel
belts of an automobile tire? simple, easy, fast? i'd think trying to saw
through it with a bandsaw wouldn't work very well, would have trouble
cutting the wires of the steel belt. sawing though with an abrasive cut
off wheel would cut the wires but would be VERY smoky (btdt) (and the
rubber binds the blade). hand operated tin snips would be *very*
difficult. i don't want to invest hundreds of dollars into a machine like
what they have at the scrap man (a huge powerful snipper). i'd guess
trying to use one of the new carbide steel cutting circular saw blades
wouldn't work very well, i'm guessing the rubber would bind on the blade,
probably wouldn't cut thin wires very well, probably also be smoky. any
suggestions? i'd like to cut up a tire (or tires) into like pie shaped
sections. ideally it would be better to get a non-steel (polyester/nylon)
belted tire, but this would be for a recycling project, would want to be
able to use what i get. i suppose this is why people don't cut up tires
for recycling projects more often, too difficult to cut the combination of
rubber and steel wires(?).

b.w.

On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:15:36 -0800, William Wixon
wrote:

just wondering, brainstorming, any ideas on how to cut through the steel
belts of an automobile tire? simple, easy, fast?

I've used a sawzall with a demolition blade when I cut out the tread of a
tire to make a bump stop for a pickup truck on a concrete wall. It leaves
a bit of a ragged edge on the belts so if you need to handle the cut tire
often it might not be the best choice.

It cuts at a reasonable speed and the blade lasts surpriseingly well since
the steel wires seem to be broken more than cut.

WayneJ

--

William Wixon wrote:
just wondering, brainstorming, any ideas on how to cut through the steel
belts of an automobile tire? simple, easy, fast? i'd think trying to saw
through it with a bandsaw wouldn't work very well, would have trouble
cutting the wires of the steel belt. sawing though with an abrasive cut off
wheel would cut the wires but would be VERY smoky (btdt) (and the rubber
binds the blade). hand operated tin snips would be *very* difficult. i
don't want to invest hundreds of dollars into a machine like what they have
at the scrap man (a huge powerful snipper). i'd guess trying to use one of
the new carbide steel cutting circular saw blades wouldn't work very well,
i'm guessing the rubber would bind on the blade, probably wouldn't cut thin
wires very well, probably also be smoky. any suggestions? i'd like to cut
up a tire (or tires) into like pie shaped sections. ideally it would be
better to get a non-steel (polyester/nylon) belted tire, but this would be
for a recycling project, would want to be able to use what i get. i suppose
this is why people don't cut up tires for recycling projects more often, too
difficult to cut the combination of rubber and steel wires(?).

b.w.



I make planters out of old tires. I take a complete tire/rim. Then
dismount the shallow side. Then I cut the entire bead free using a
sawsall. Then a pair of bolt cutters to shear it for removal. Then I cut
wedges into the sidewall and turn it inside out. When done it resembles
a large flower. Paint the inside with some good paint and toss a piece
of drainage mesh in the bottom. Then a chunk of weed block and fill with
soil.

--
Steve W.

What's that Lassie? You say that William Wixon fell down the old
rec.crafts.metalworking mine and will die if we don't mount a rescue
by Sun, 1 Nov 2009 03:15:36 -0600:

just wondering, brainstorming, any ideas on how to cut through the steel
belts of an automobile tire?

Sawzall. You will need two helpers with vise grips. Use a medium
tooth metal cutting blade. Get the thicker ones, short length.

Your two helpers are to pull the two cut sides apart so they don't rub
the side of the blade. I've cut lots of rubber mats for horse stalls
this way.
--

Dan H.
northshore MA.

At work (tire factory) we have bandsaws in the DOT area that cut up tires to
take a cross section for inspection. I think the band saw blades are grit
edge. When tires get stuck in production machines, I've seen mechanics cut
them apart with a sawzall before to get them out.

RogerN


"William Wixon" wrote in message
...
just wondering, brainstorming, any ideas on how to cut through the steel
belts of an automobile tire? simple, easy, fast? i'd think trying to saw
through it with a bandsaw wouldn't work very well, would have trouble
cutting the wires of the steel belt. sawing though with an abrasive cut
off wheel would cut the wires but would be VERY smoky (btdt) (and the
rubber binds the blade). hand operated tin snips would be *very*
difficult. i don't want to invest hundreds of dollars into a machine like
what they have at the scrap man (a huge powerful snipper). i'd guess
trying to use one of the new carbide steel cutting circular saw blades
wouldn't work very well, i'm guessing the rubber would bind on the blade,
probably wouldn't cut thin wires very well, probably also be smoky. any
suggestions? i'd like to cut up a tire (or tires) into like pie shaped
sections. ideally it would be better to get a non-steel (polyester/nylon)
belted tire, but this would be for a recycling project, would want to be
able to use what i get. i suppose this is why people don't cut up tires
for recycling projects more often, too difficult to cut the combination of
rubber and steel wires(?).

b.w.

On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:36:25 -0600, "Up North"
wrote:

Take a sharp utility knife and cut the tread loose from the sidewalls. Use a
thin cut wheel on a grinder to cut the steel belts from the inside. The
rubber isn't as thick there.
Steve

I had to take 2 light truck tyres off of my tractor wheels (Fordson
Super Major or Ford 5000 in USA) recently, the cast iron rims kept
slipping off the machine when removing the bead.

It is definitely messy, wear throwaway clothes.

Using tools I have, a 9" angle grinder with cutoff disks, it took
about 3/4 hour and wore out 3 disks for the two tyres.

Alan

"William Wixon" wrote in message
...
just wondering, brainstorming, any ideas on how to cut through the steel
belts of an automobile tire? simple, easy, fast? i'd think trying to saw
through it with a bandsaw wouldn't work very well, would have trouble
cutting the wires of the steel belt. sawing though with an abrasive cut
off wheel would cut the wires but would be VERY smoky (btdt) (and the
rubber binds the blade). hand operated tin snips would be *very*
difficult. i don't want to invest hundreds of dollars into a machine like
what they have at the scrap man (a huge powerful snipper). i'd guess
trying to use one of the new carbide steel cutting circular saw blades
wouldn't work very well, i'm guessing the rubber would bind on the blade,
probably wouldn't cut thin wires very well, probably also be smoky. any
suggestions? i'd like to cut up a tire (or tires) into like pie shaped
sections. ideally it would be better to get a non-steel (polyester/nylon)
belted tire, but this would be for a recycling project, would want to be
able to use what i get. i suppose this is why people don't cut up tires
for recycling projects more often, too difficult to cut the combination of
rubber and steel wires(?).

b.w.



thanks everyone for your suggestions and help.
just after i posted my original message i wondered if a throatless shear
would be able to cut through the steel belted tread area of a automobile
tire, like, being able to slit it into various designs? wish i knew someone
nearby who had one so i could try it out. would that be abusive to the tool
to cut all those thin wires? just wondering.

b.w.

"William Wixon" wrote in message
...
just wondering, brainstorming, any ideas on how to cut through the steel
belts of an automobile tire? simple, easy, fast? i'd think trying to saw
through it with a bandsaw wouldn't work very well, would have trouble
cutting the wires of the steel belt. sawing though with an abrasive cut
off wheel would cut the wires but would be VERY smoky (btdt) (and the
rubber binds the blade). hand operated tin snips would be *very*
difficult. i don't want to invest hundreds of dollars into a machine like
what they have at the scrap man (a huge powerful snipper). i'd guess
trying to use one of the new carbide steel cutting circular saw blades
wouldn't work very well, i'm guessing the rubber would bind on the blade,
probably wouldn't cut thin wires very well, probably also be smoky. any
suggestions? i'd like to cut up a tire (or tires) into like pie shaped
sections. ideally it would be better to get a non-steel (polyester/nylon)
belted tire, but this would be for a recycling project, would want to be
able to use what i get. i suppose this is why people don't cut up tires
for recycling projects more often, too difficult to cut the combination of
rubber and steel wires(?).

I once cut through the entire face of a tire to split it in half with a hack
saw. Not too tough... But I can imagine that clamping for a band saw might
be an issue.

As for recycling, you want a high-torque shredder driven by a diesel on the
back of a truck IMHO.

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On Nov 1, 1:15*am, "William Wixon" wrote:
just wondering, brainstorming, any ideas on how to cut through the steel
belts of an automobile tire? *simple, easy, fast? *i'd think trying to saw
through it with a bandsaw wouldn't work very well, would have trouble
cutting the wires of the steel belt. *sawing though with an abrasive cut off
wheel would cut the wires but would be VERY smoky (btdt) (and the rubber
binds the blade). *hand operated tin snips would be *very* difficult. *i
don't want to invest hundreds of dollars into a machine like what they have
at the scrap man (a huge powerful snipper). *i'd guess trying to use one of
the new carbide steel cutting circular saw blades wouldn't work very well,
i'm guessing the rubber would bind on the blade, probably wouldn't cut thin
wires very well, probably also be smoky. *any suggestions? *i'd like to cut
up a tire (or tires) into like pie shaped sections. *ideally it would be
better to get a non-steel (polyester/nylon) belted tire, but this would be
for a recycling project, would want to be able to use what i get. *i suppose
this is why people don't cut up tires for recycling projects more often, too
difficult to cut the combination of rubber and steel wires(?).

b.w.

Here is a manufactured unit that will do the job. I wonder, also, if a
slight modification to a wood splitter would do the job for you?

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...9933_200349933

Paul

On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 03:05:55 GMT, the infamous (dan)
scrawled the following:

What's that Lassie? You say that William Wixon fell down the old
rec.crafts.metalworking mine and will die if we don't mount a rescue
by Sun, 1 Nov 2009 03:15:36 -0600:

just wondering, brainstorming, any ideas on how to cut through the steel
belts of an automobile tire?

Sawzall. You will need two helpers with vise grips. Use a medium
tooth metal cutting blade. Get the thicker ones, short length.

Your two helpers are to pull the two cut sides apart so they don't rub
the side of the blade. I've cut lots of rubber mats for horse stalls
this way.

A recip saw works well, too, with a fine-toothed metal blade. It
breaks the steel cords that it doesn't cut.

---
Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight
very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands.
It hopes we've learned something from yesterday.
--John Wayne (1907 - 1979)

What's that Lassie? You say that Larry Jaques
fell down the old
rec.crafts.metalworking mine and will die if we don't mount a rescue
by Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:39:21 -0800:

Dan said:
Sawzall. You will need two helpers with vise grips. Use a medium
tooth metal cutting blade. Get the thicker ones, short length.

Your two helpers are to pull the two cut sides apart so they don't rub
the side of the blade. I've cut lots of rubber mats for horse stalls
this way.

A recip saw works well, too, with a fine-toothed metal blade. It
breaks the steel cords that it doesn't cut.

Um, yah. That's what a Sawzall is.

--

Dan H.
northshore MA.

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 02:19:36 GMT, the infamous (dan)
scrawled the following:

What's that Lassie? You say that Larry Jaques
fell down the old
rec.crafts.metalworking mine and will die if we don't mount a rescue
by Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:39:21 -0800:

Dan said:
Sawzall. You will need two helpers with vise grips. Use a medium
tooth metal cutting blade. Get the thicker ones, short length.

Your two helpers are to pull the two cut sides apart so they don't rub
the side of the blade. I've cut lots of rubber mats for horse stalls
this way.

A recip saw works well, too, with a fine-toothed metal blade. It
breaks the steel cords that it doesn't cut.

Um, yah. That's what a Sawzall is.

Har! I saw every word in your post _except_ "Sawzall." My bad.

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