Is the president using Psych Warfare ?

Things to look for when the healthcare bus comes to your town:
"More and more, we are seeing citizens being invited to "participate" in
various forms of meetings, councils, or boards

to "help determine" public policy in one field or another. They are
supposedly being included to get "input" from the

public to help officials make final decisions on taxes, education, community
growth or whatever the particular subject

matter might be. Sounds great, doesn't it? Unfortunately, surface
appearances are often deceiving.

You, Mr. or Mrs. Citizen, decide to take part in one of these meetings.
Generally, you will find that there is already

someone designated to lead or "facilitate" the meeting. Supposedly the job
of the facilitator

is to be a neutral, non-directing helper to see that the meeting flows
smoothly. Actually, he

or she is there for exactly the opposite reason: to see that the conclusions
reached during the meeting are in accord

with a plan already decided upon by those who called the meeting.

The process used to "facilitate" the meeting is called the Delphi Technique.
This Delphi Technique was developed by

the RAND Corporation for the U.S. Department of Defense back in the 1950s.
It was originally intended for use as a

psychological weapon during the cold war. However, it was soon recognized
that the steps of Delphi could be very

valuable in manipulating ANY meeting toward a pre-determined end.

How does the process take place? The techniques are well developed and well
defined. First, the person who will be

leading the meeting, the facilitator or Change Agent must be a likeable
person with whom those participating in the

meeting can agree or sympathize with. It is, therefore, the job of the
facilitator to find a way to cause a split in the

audience, to establish one or a few of the people as "bad guys" while the
facilitator is perceived as the "good guy."

Facilitators are trained to recognize potential opponents and how to make
such people appear aggressive, foolish,

extremist, etc. Once this is done, the facilitator establishes himself or
herself as the "friend" of the rest of the

audience. The stage is now set for the rest of the agenda to take place."

http://hoanewsnetwork.com/media/file...s.pdf?download

Best Regards

Tom.

"azotic" wrote in message
...
Is the president using Psych Warfare ?

Things to look for when the healthcare bus comes to your town:
"More and more, we are seeing citizens being invited to "participate" in
various forms of meetings, councils, or boards

to "help determine" public policy in one field or another. They are
supposedly being included to get "input" from the

public to help officials make final decisions on taxes, education,
community growth or whatever the particular subject

matter might be. Sounds great, doesn't it? Unfortunately, surface
appearances are often deceiving.

You, Mr. or Mrs. Citizen, decide to take part in one of these meetings.
Generally, you will find that there is already

someone designated to lead or "facilitate" the meeting. Supposedly the job
of the facilitator

is to be a neutral, non-directing helper to see that the meeting flows
smoothly. Actually, he

or she is there for exactly the opposite reason: to see that the
conclusions reached during the meeting are in accord

with a plan already decided upon by those who called the meeting.

The process used to "facilitate" the meeting is called the Delphi
Technique. This Delphi Technique was developed by

the RAND Corporation for the U.S. Department of Defense back in the 1950s.
It was originally intended for use as a

psychological weapon during the cold war. However, it was soon recognized
that the steps of Delphi could be very

valuable in manipulating ANY meeting toward a pre-determined end.

How does the process take place? The techniques are well developed and
well defined. First, the person who will be

leading the meeting, the facilitator or Change Agent must be a likeable
person with whom those participating in the

meeting can agree or sympathize with. It is, therefore, the job of the
facilitator to find a way to cause a split in the

audience, to establish one or a few of the people as "bad guys" while the
facilitator is perceived as the "good guy."

Facilitators are trained to recognize potential opponents and how to make
such people appear aggressive, foolish,

extremist, etc. Once this is done, the facilitator establishes himself or
herself as the "friend" of the rest of the

audience. The stage is now set for the rest of the agenda to take place."

http://hoanewsnetwork.com/media/file...s.pdf?download

Best Regards

Tom

Complete horse****. That isn't the Delphi Technique at all. The Delphi
Technique is a method used to extract the best thinking from experts on a
subject to reach a forecast and to produce a forecast report based on that
consensus. It's used in big engineering projects, in analysis by industry
and government, and by university researchers. We used to report on Delphi
studies done in the automobile industry all the time at _American
Machinist_.

This has to be one of the freakier examples of distortion used by conspiracy
theorists to feed weak, paranoid minds with crap.

--
Ed Huntress

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

Complete horse****. That isn't the Delphi Technique at all. The Delphi
Technique is a method used to extract the best thinking from experts on a
subject to reach a forecast and to produce a forecast report based on that
consensus. It's used in big engineering projects, in analysis by industry
and government, and by university researchers. We used to report on Delphi
studies done in the automobile industry all the time at _American
Machinist_.

This has to be one of the freakier examples of distortion used by
conspiracy theorists to feed weak, paranoid minds with crap.

--
Ed Huntress

And we got the edsel, pinto, vega, gremlin etc.

Assuming that the delphi technique is only used in business and is fixed in
that realm is just plain wrong. Modified delphi technique is used in a
variety of
applications as a quick google search will reveal. What makes you think
an adaption is not used in politics ?

Now if you think university educators and reachers are a bunch of kooks and
nuts,
conspiracy theorists with weak paranoid minds then
you can disregard the following from those nutty college folks.
"There is evident in the literature a set of new directions having to do
with the

application of the Delphi concept in such areas as computerized
conferencing,

management information systems, citizen feedback, participatory democracy,
etc"

http://is.njit.edu/pubs/delphibook/appendix.pdf

Intresting thats its being used in participatory democracy.

You might want to also check out what Solomon Asch said about Delphi peer
pressure and conformity

way back in 1958. Of course he was just another nutty proffesor.

Best Regards

Tom.

"azotic" wrote in message
...

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

Complete horse****. That isn't the Delphi Technique at all. The Delphi
Technique is a method used to extract the best thinking from experts on a
subject to reach a forecast and to produce a forecast report based on
that consensus. It's used in big engineering projects, in analysis by
industry and government, and by university researchers. We used to report
on Delphi studies done in the automobile industry all the time at
_American Machinist_.

This has to be one of the freakier examples of distortion used by
conspiracy theorists to feed weak, paranoid minds with crap.

--
Ed Huntress

And we got the edsel, pinto, vega, gremlin etc.

Assuming that the delphi technique is only used in business and is fixed
in
that realm is just plain wrong. Modified delphi technique is used in a
variety of
applications as a quick google search will reveal. What makes you think
an adaption is not used in politics ?

Which technique? The real one developed at RAND, or the fraud being
perpetuated in your quotations?

Here's the real thing:

http://www.iit.edu/~it/delphi.html


Now if you think university educators and reachers are a bunch of kooks
and nuts,
conspiracy theorists with weak paranoid minds then
you can disregard the following from those nutty college folks.
"There is evident in the literature a set of new directions having to do
with the

application of the Delphi concept in such areas as computerized
conferencing,

management information systems, citizen feedback, participatory democracy,
etc"

http://is.njit.edu/pubs/delphibook/appendix.pdf

Intresting thats its being used in participatory democracy.

That's a bibliography of hundreds of references. NOWHERE does it say
anything about using the Delphi method for the purpose of manipulating
opinion. In fact, it's just the opposite.

You're trying to defend a crank who wants to twist the whole thing to comply
with his paranoid fantasies, by standing it on its head.

You might want to also check out what Solomon Asch said about Delphi peer
pressure and conformity

way back in 1958. Of course he was just another nutty proffesor.

Show us. It appears from a quick check that Asch was concerned about the
same problem that the RAND people who created the Delphi method were
concerned about: the effect of peer pressure. In fact, the Delphi technique
was developed specifically to avoid it.

Do you have something that says Asch specifically said the Delphi technique
led to peer-group pressure to modify results? If so, we'd need to see it.

--
Ed Huntress

On 2009-09-20, Ed Huntress wrote:

Complete horse****. That isn't the Delphi Technique at all. The Delphi
Technique is a method used to extract the best thinking from experts on a
subject to reach a forecast and to produce a forecast report based on that
consensus. It's used in big engineering projects, in analysis by industry
and government, and by university researchers. We used to report on Delphi
studies done in the automobile industry all the time at _American
Machinist_.

This has to be one of the freakier examples of distortion used by conspiracy
theorists to feed weak, paranoid minds with crap.

I have not seen an honest Reupblican chain letter in years.

i

In article ,
"Ed Huntress" wrote:


Complete horse****. That isn't the Delphi Technique at all. The Delphi

Well, it _is_ The Delphi Technique, just turned on its head.

Technique is a method used to extract the best thinking from experts on a
subject to reach a forecast and to produce a forecast report based on that
consensus. It's used in big engineering projects, in analysis by industry
and government, and by university researchers. We used to report on Delphi
studies done in the automobile industry all the time at _American
Machinist_.

This has to be one of the freakier examples of distortion used by conspiracy
theorists to feed weak, paranoid minds with crap.

Maybe so, probably so, but any technique for generating/discovering
consensus can be used to manipulate what that consensus turns out to be
at the end, if the facilitator is both adept _and_ dishonest. The
technique can be distorted to manipulate the unwary or uninitiated.

BTST in many Community Action Council and Neighborhood Council meetings
during the old OEO days. The methods cited are very familiar. So it not
only can but does happen. The folks running the programs had pre-written
the next year's grant proposals and prioritizations without input from
the program participants. The local councils seldom if ever got anything
changed though strongly disagreeing with some of the proposals.

azotic wrote:

Quack Qauck Quack.

LMAO

--
John R. Carroll

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

"azotic" wrote in message
...

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...
Which technique? The real one developed at RAND, or the fraud being
perpetuated in your quotations?

Are you saying the author is lieing
http://is.njit.edu/pubs/delphibook/appendix.pdf

Page 576:

"For a great many years Delphi has been associated with the subject of
Technological Forecasting. We have provided a separate list of articles on

technological forecasting which do discuss Delphi. Our caution to the reader
about this

set of references is that some of these writings tend to define and consider
Delphi

solely within the scope of that one application area. It has been our intent
in this book

to present Delphi in the wider context of an alternative communication form.

There is evident in the literature a set of new directions having to do with
the

application of the Delphi concept in such areas as computerized
conferencing,

management information systems, citizen feedback, participatory democracy,
etc."

Seems delphi has evolved and your unaware that it has.

Best Regards

Tom.


..

On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 20:58:16 -0400, John Husvar
wrote:

In article ,
"Ed Huntress" wrote:


Complete horse****. That isn't the Delphi Technique at all. The Delphi

Well, it _is_ The Delphi Technique, just turned on its head.

Technique is a method used to extract the best thinking from experts on a
subject to reach a forecast and to produce a forecast report based on that
consensus. It's used in big engineering projects, in analysis by industry
and government, and by university researchers. We used to report on Delphi
studies done in the automobile industry all the time at _American
Machinist_.

This has to be one of the freakier examples of distortion used by conspiracy
theorists to feed weak, paranoid minds with crap.

Maybe so, probably so, but any technique for generating/discovering
consensus can be used to manipulate what that consensus turns out to be
at the end, if the facilitator is both adept _and_ dishonest. The
technique can be distorted to manipulate the unwary or uninitiated.

BTST in many Community Action Council and Neighborhood Council meetings
during the old OEO days. The methods cited are very familiar. So it not
only can but does happen. The folks running the programs had pre-written
the next year's grant proposals and prioritizations without input from
the program participants. The local councils seldom if ever got anything
changed though strongly disagreeing with some of the proposals.

Office of Economic Opportunity? As in Chicago's regional office under
the Nixon administration? Like the Delphi technique utilized to
settle the wounded knee incident at the Nike site?

Nah, couldn't have happened since Ed Huntress says so, right Ed?

Boo

"Ignoramus14955" wrote in message
...
On 2009-09-20, Ed Huntress wrote:

Complete horse****. That isn't the Delphi Technique at all. The Delphi
Technique is a method used to extract the best thinking from experts on a
subject to reach a forecast and to produce a forecast report based on
that
consensus. It's used in big engineering projects, in analysis by industry
and government, and by university researchers. We used to report on
Delphi
studies done in the automobile industry all the time at _American
Machinist_.

This has to be one of the freakier examples of distortion used by
conspiracy
theorists to feed weak, paranoid minds with crap.

I have not seen an honest Reupblican chain letter in years.

i

Ha-ha! They took me off their lists, I think.

However, a close second is the solicitation letters I get from the NRA.

--
Ed Huntress

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 20:58:16 -0400, John Husvar
wrote:

In article ,
"Ed Huntress" wrote:


Complete horse****. That isn't the Delphi Technique at all. The Delphi

Well, it _is_ The Delphi Technique, just turned on its head.

Technique is a method used to extract the best thinking from experts on
a
subject to reach a forecast and to produce a forecast report based on
that
consensus. It's used in big engineering projects, in analysis by
industry
and government, and by university researchers. We used to report on
Delphi
studies done in the automobile industry all the time at _American
Machinist_.

This has to be one of the freakier examples of distortion used by
conspiracy
theorists to feed weak, paranoid minds with crap.

Maybe so, probably so, but any technique for generating/discovering
consensus can be used to manipulate what that consensus turns out to be
at the end, if the facilitator is both adept _and_ dishonest. The
technique can be distorted to manipulate the unwary or uninitiated.

BTST in many Community Action Council and Neighborhood Council meetings
during the old OEO days. The methods cited are very familiar. So it not
only can but does happen. The folks running the programs had pre-written
the next year's grant proposals and prioritizations without input from
the program participants. The local councils seldom if ever got anything
changed though strongly disagreeing with some of the proposals.

Office of Economic Opportunity? As in Chicago's regional office under
the Nixon administration? Like the Delphi technique utilized to
settle the wounded knee incident at the Nike site?

Nah, couldn't have happened since Ed Huntress says so, right Ed?

*What* couldn't have happened?

Do you understand what the Delphi technique is? If so, please explain how it
relates to whatever it is you're referring to here.

--
Ed Huntress

"azotic" wrote in message
...

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

"azotic" wrote in message
...

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...
Which technique? The real one developed at RAND, or the fraud being
perpetuated in your quotations?

Are you saying the author is lieing
http://is.njit.edu/pubs/delphibook/appendix.pdf

Page 576:

"For a great many years Delphi has been associated with the subject of
Technological Forecasting. We have provided a separate list of articles on

technological forecasting which do discuss Delphi. Our caution to the
reader about this

set of references is that some of these writings tend to define and
consider Delphi

solely within the scope of that one application area. It has been our
intent in this book

to present Delphi in the wider context of an alternative communication
form.

There is evident in the literature a set of new directions having to do
with the

application of the Delphi concept in such areas as computerized
conferencing,

management information systems, citizen feedback, participatory democracy,
etc."

Seems delphi has evolved and your unaware that it has.

Best Regards

Tom.

No, that isn't what's happening Tom. What's happening is this: You pasted
some right-wing crap, later found out that it's complete nonsense, and now
you're scrambling through Google trying to find something that will help you
save face.

But all you've come up with is a bibliography of articles that you probably
haven't even attempted to read, and now you're trying to extract from some
bibliographic notes that Delphi has "evolved," that it's somehow become the
opposite of what it was intended to be.

Give it up. As John Husvar said, you're talking about Delphi stood on its
head. The whole point of the Delphi technique is to avoid biasing the
results, while allowing the expert opinion to form a consensus without
outside influence.

Nothing in those bibliographic notes suggest otherwise. You're just trying
smoke and mirrors to see what you can pull over on the group. You started
out doing a Gunner and wound up with a Banquer. g

--
Ed Huntress