On Jun 5, 1:27*am, "William Wixon" wrote:
"Curious Man" wrote in message

...



There seems to be a stereotype that "liberals" are the lazy sorts of
people who interrupt TV viewing only to go to soup lines, or smoke
harmful substances, whereas "conservatives" are hard working, self
reliant people who are very well off due to their own perseverance and
work ethic.

And yet, the few self proclaimed or suspected liberals and Obama
supporters of this newsgroup, seem to be very well off, accomplished
people, whereas many conservatives, while intelligent and interesting
people on many levels, are not exactly above that kind of level of
attainment.

If that is the case, is that perhaps the time to reconsider our
stereotypes?

Curious Man

i more or less recently became acquainted with a 71 y.o. man (i'm 49), he
served in the air force during korea, i'd consider him "conservative" or
"ultra conservative". he's catholic. *i collaborated with him on three
projects. *first was volunteer labor cleaning up a hillbilly shanty town
(that's what i called it) mess at a girl scout camp here. *the live-in
caretaker allowed a 10~15 year accumulation of junk to collect. *he and i,
then mostly i, cleaned it up. *second collaboration was picking up the
litter, junk, garbage along a local country road here. *third was a year
later continuation of that same litter/garbage pick up effort. *thing that
amazes me is he and i couldn't be more diametrically opposed in our
political beliefs but yet he and i can peacefully cooperate on projects
that, i believe, are to the betterment of our community. *i'm absolutely
amazed i can remain in his presence for more than 10 seconds considering
his, what for me are RADICAL right wing opinions. *it continues to amaze me.
my blood turns to ice the second he starts in on his political views,
thankfully i've been able to avoid having to endure listening to them very
often or for very long. *i have a continuous fear that somewhere along the
line he's going to go off on obama or liberals or "socialists" and i
absolutely will not be able to tolerate it and my relationship with him will
come to a screeching halt. *that would be a pity. *i do enjoy hanging out
with him, bull****ting with him, working on those projects together with
him. *thing i find surprising is there are areas of overlap between
"liberals" and conservatives. *"caring for the planet", bettering our
community, respecting nature and local history, preserving open
space/farmland. *he's pretty much the driving force behind a local movement
to stop a housing development that's slated to go on historic farmland here,
that's the part where much to my surprise, liberal and conservative overlap.
i'd assume you wouldn't ordinarily think conservatives would oppose a
housing development, but this is open historic farmland. *i'd think
conservatives would be staunch "landowner's rights" proponents. *he's very
active in the community, on the library board, member of the historical
society, constantly doing volunteer work for the community. *an inspiration
to this "liberal" "socialist".
i was thinking the volume is turned up here on usenet discussion groups.
probably out there in the world "liberals" and conservatives cooperate on
all sorts of worthy projects, projects that get little or no press. *i'd
like to hope so at least.

b.w.

First of all let me thank you for walking the talk in relation to
community support...most people can only talk and suddenly disappear
when the work needs to be done.

Most conservatives will back business unless it negatively affects
their pocketbook. In respect to the historic farmland, is it military
related..which with his military experience he would now attach an
emotional significance.

From the description of the community, it may be that this person is
leading the charge in community activies for the social position that
it gives him in the community versus doing because it should be done.
The real question is "Does he get his hands dirty?" versus spending
hours on committees and meetings where he is the center of attention.

And a piece of advice...if you spend much time around him the opposing
political views will surface and clash sooner or later...and with his
visibility in the community, he may likely use it to negatively
influence others around you about you. Plan for it and be prepared
before it happens.

TMT

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Jun 5, 1:27 am, "William Wixon" wrote:
"Curious Man" wrote in message

...



There seems to be a stereotype that "liberals" are the lazy sorts of
people who interrupt TV viewing only to go to soup lines, or smoke
harmful substances, whereas "conservatives" are hard working, self
reliant people who are very well off due to their own perseverance and
work ethic.
And yet, the few self proclaimed or suspected liberals and Obama
supporters of this newsgroup, seem to be very well off, accomplished
people, whereas many conservatives, while intelligent and interesting
people on many levels, are not exactly above that kind of level of
attainment.
If that is the case, is that perhaps the time to reconsider our
stereotypes?
Curious Man
i more or less recently became acquainted with a 71 y.o. man (i'm 49), he
served in the air force during korea, i'd consider him "conservative" or
"ultra conservative". he's catholic. i collaborated with him on three
projects. first was volunteer labor cleaning up a hillbilly shanty town
(that's what i called it) mess at a girl scout camp here. the live-in
caretaker allowed a 10~15 year accumulation of junk to collect. he and i,
then mostly i, cleaned it up. second collaboration was picking up the
litter, junk, garbage along a local country road here. third was a year
later continuation of that same litter/garbage pick up effort. thing that
amazes me is he and i couldn't be more diametrically opposed in our
political beliefs but yet he and i can peacefully cooperate on projects
that, i believe, are to the betterment of our community. i'm absolutely
amazed i can remain in his presence for more than 10 seconds considering
his, what for me are RADICAL right wing opinions. it continues to amaze me.
my blood turns to ice the second he starts in on his political views,
thankfully i've been able to avoid having to endure listening to them very
often or for very long. i have a continuous fear that somewhere along the
line he's going to go off on obama or liberals or "socialists" and i
absolutely will not be able to tolerate it and my relationship with him will
come to a screeching halt. that would be a pity. i do enjoy hanging out
with him, bull****ting with him, working on those projects together with
him. thing i find surprising is there are areas of overlap between
"liberals" and conservatives. "caring for the planet", bettering our
community, respecting nature and local history, preserving open
space/farmland. he's pretty much the driving force behind a local movement
to stop a housing development that's slated to go on historic farmland here,
that's the part where much to my surprise, liberal and conservative overlap.
i'd assume you wouldn't ordinarily think conservatives would oppose a
housing development, but this is open historic farmland. i'd think
conservatives would be staunch "landowner's rights" proponents. he's very
active in the community, on the library board, member of the historical
society, constantly doing volunteer work for the community. an inspiration
to this "liberal" "socialist".
i was thinking the volume is turned up here on usenet discussion groups.
probably out there in the world "liberals" and conservatives cooperate on
all sorts of worthy projects, projects that get little or no press. i'd
like to hope so at least.

b.w.

First of all let me thank you for walking the talk in relation to
community support...most people can only talk and suddenly disappear
when the work needs to be done.

Most conservatives

(Usual BS generalisms follow)

Sheesh. William writes a thoughtful commentary on the common ground
between liberals and conservatives, and you launch into questioning the
motives on everything the conservative does.
Your post was the diametric opposite of Williams and the very reason
people like you wind up in the Trollheap - you have no reasoning to
bring to any real discussion.

What a frickin' loser

On Jun 5, 2:24*pm, RB wrote:
Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Jun 5, 1:27 am, "William Wixon" wrote:
"Curious Man" wrote in message

...

There seems to be a stereotype that "liberals" are the lazy sorts of
people who interrupt TV viewing only to go to soup lines, or smoke
harmful substances, whereas "conservatives" are hard working, self
reliant people who are very well off due to their own perseverance and
work ethic.
And yet, the few self proclaimed or suspected liberals and Obama
supporters of this newsgroup, seem to be very well off, accomplished
people, whereas many conservatives, while intelligent and interesting
people on many levels, are not exactly above that kind of level of
attainment.
If that is the case, is that perhaps the time to reconsider our
stereotypes?
Curious Man
i more or less recently became acquainted with a 71 y.o. man (i'm 49), he
served in the air force during korea, i'd consider him "conservative" or
"ultra conservative". he's catholic. *i collaborated with him on three
projects. *first was volunteer labor cleaning up a hillbilly shanty town
(that's what i called it) mess at a girl scout camp here. *the live-in
caretaker allowed a 10~15 year accumulation of junk to collect. *he and i,
then mostly i, cleaned it up. *second collaboration was picking up the
litter, junk, garbage along a local country road here. *third was a year
later continuation of that same litter/garbage pick up effort. *thing that
amazes me is he and i couldn't be more diametrically opposed in our
political beliefs but yet he and i can peacefully cooperate on projects
that, i believe, are to the betterment of our community. *i'm absolutely
amazed i can remain in his presence for more than 10 seconds considering
his, what for me are RADICAL right wing opinions. *it continues to amaze me.
my blood turns to ice the second he starts in on his political views,
thankfully i've been able to avoid having to endure listening to them very
often or for very long. *i have a continuous fear that somewhere along the
line he's going to go off on obama or liberals or "socialists" and i
absolutely will not be able to tolerate it and my relationship with him will
come to a screeching halt. *that would be a pity. *i do enjoy hanging out
with him, bull****ting with him, working on those projects together with
him. *thing i find surprising is there are areas of overlap between
"liberals" and conservatives. *"caring for the planet", bettering our
community, respecting nature and local history, preserving open
space/farmland. *he's pretty much the driving force behind a local movement
to stop a housing development that's slated to go on historic farmland here,
that's the part where much to my surprise, liberal and conservative overlap.
i'd assume you wouldn't ordinarily think conservatives would oppose a
housing development, but this is open historic farmland. *i'd think
conservatives would be staunch "landowner's rights" proponents. *he's very
active in the community, on the library board, member of the historical
society, constantly doing volunteer work for the community. *an inspiration
to this "liberal" "socialist".
i was thinking the volume is turned up here on usenet discussion groups.
probably out there in the world "liberals" and conservatives cooperate on
all sorts of worthy projects, projects that get little or no press. *i'd
like to hope so at least.

b.w.

First of all let me thank you for walking the talk in relation to
community support...most people can only talk and suddenly disappear
when the work needs to be done.

Most conservatives

(Usual BS generalisms follow)

Sheesh. William writes a thoughtful commentary on the common ground
between liberals and conservatives, and you launch into questioning the
motives on everything the conservative does.
* *Your post was the diametric opposite of *Williams and the very reason
people like you wind up in the Trollheap - you have no reasoning to
bring to any real discussion.

What a frickin' loser

LOL...conservatives are so funny...and they get POed when someone tags
them for what they are.

Sounds like my comments touched a bit too close to home...did they
remind you of your true motives?

My response was meant to be thoughtful and helpful.

William has already noted that he is having to keep his distance from
this conservative...and I admire him for being politically astute.

The conservative in question may be harmless...but from the info I
have to work with indicates one should take a defensive posture until
more info indicates otherwise.

Personally I hope William and this conservative become the best of
friends so each can learn from the other's views of life....both
liberal and conservative...they both have something to teach.

TMT

....

There seems to be a stereotype that "liberals" are the lazy sorts of
people who interrupt TV viewing only to go to soup lines, or smoke
harmful substances, whereas "conservatives" are hard working, self
reliant people who are very well off due to their own perseverance and
work ethic.
And yet, the few self proclaimed or suspected liberals and Obama
supporters of this newsgroup, seem to be very well off, accomplished
people, whereas many conservatives, while intelligent and interesting
people on many levels, are not exactly above that kind of level of
attainment.
If that is the case, is that perhaps the time to reconsider our
stereotypes?
Curious Man
i more or less recently became acquainted with a 71 y.o. man (i'm 49),
he
served in the air force during korea, i'd consider him "conservative"
or
"ultra conservative". he's catholic. i collaborated with him on three
projects. first was volunteer labor cleaning up a hillbilly shanty town
(that's what i called it) mess at a girl scout camp here. the live-in
caretaker allowed a 10~15 year accumulation of junk to collect. he and
i,
then mostly i, cleaned it up. second collaboration was picking up the
litter, junk, garbage along a local country road here. third was a year
later continuation of that same litter/garbage pick up effort. thing
that
amazes me is he and i couldn't be more diametrically opposed in our
political beliefs but yet he and i can peacefully cooperate on projects
that, i believe, are to the betterment of our community. i'm absolutely
amazed i can remain in his presence for more than 10 seconds
considering
his, what for me are RADICAL right wing opinions. it continues to amaze
me.
my blood turns to ice the second he starts in on his political views,
thankfully i've been able to avoid having to endure listening to them
very
often or for very long. i have a continuous fear that somewhere along
the
line he's going to go off on obama or liberals or "socialists" and i
absolutely will not be able to tolerate it and my relationship with him
will
come to a screeching halt. that would be a pity. i do enjoy hanging out
with him, bull****ting with him, working on those projects together
with
him. thing i find surprising is there are areas of overlap between
"liberals" and conservatives. "caring for the planet", bettering our
community, respecting nature and local history, preserving open
space/farmland. he's pretty much the driving force behind a local
movement
to stop a housing development that's slated to go on historic farmland
here,
that's the part where much to my surprise, liberal and conservative
overlap.
i'd assume you wouldn't ordinarily think conservatives would oppose a
housing development, but this is open historic farmland. i'd think
conservatives would be staunch "landowner's rights" proponents. he's
very
active in the community, on the library board, member of the historical
society, constantly doing volunteer work for the community. an
inspiration
to this "liberal" "socialist".
i was thinking the volume is turned up here on usenet discussion
groups.
probably out there in the world "liberals" and conservatives cooperate
on
all sorts of worthy projects, projects that get little or no press. i'd
like to hope so at least.

b.w.

First of all let me thank you for walking the talk in relation to
community support...most people can only talk and suddenly disappear
when the work needs to be done.

Most conservatives

(Usual BS generalisms follow)

Sheesh. William writes a thoughtful commentary on the common ground
between liberals and conservatives, and you launch into questioning the
motives on everything the conservative does.
Your post was the diametric opposite of Williams and the very reason
people like you wind up in the Trollheap - you have no reasoning to
bring to any real discussion.

What a frickin' loser

LOL...conservatives are so funny...and they get POed when someone tags
them for what they are.

Sounds like my comments touched a bit too close to home...did they
remind you of your true motives?

My response was meant to be thoughtful and helpful.

William has already noted that he is having to keep his distance from
this conservative...and I admire him for being politically astute.

The conservative in question may be harmless...but from the info I
have to work with indicates one should take a defensive posture until
more info indicates otherwise.

Personally I hope William and this conservative become the best of
friends so each can learn from the other's views of life....both
liberal and conservative...they both have something to teach.

TMT

I don't know if it's just me, but I've noticed a change over the years in
how conservatives act. It seems that in the past they were not that
forthcoming about their political views or about anything private or of a
sexual nature. They kept quiet about a lot of things and didn't go around
blabbing to everyone what they thought. Now it's completely different. As
William pointed out in his experience with the conservative, even though
they had a lot of things in common the conservative just couldn't keep his
political views to himself. I'm finding this happening all the time now.
Conservative just can't keep their mouths shut when it comes to political
issues. First off, they are angry about so much you can't believe it; and
second they have to tell everyone just how ****ed off they are, and how
messed up the country is getting. Funny thing, back when I said the country
was going to hell the conservatives called me, guess what, unpatriotic. Now,
the things they say about this country are not only unpatriotic but they're
bordering on treasonous. When the shoe is on the other foot it seems it's a
whole different ball game for the conservatives. So have others noticed that
conservatives are no longer the "strong silent types" but are now loud,
overly emotional, and feel they have to "share" their views with anyone who
is within earshot? One last thing, even though they want to tell everyone
how they "feel" rarely can they back up what they say with facts and sound
arguments.

Hawke

"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
...

LOL...conservatives are so funny...and they get POed when someone tags
them for what they are.

Sounds like my comments touched a bit too close to home...did they
remind you of your true motives?

My response was meant to be thoughtful and helpful.

William has already noted that he is having to keep his distance from
this conservative...and I admire him for being politically astute.

The conservative in question may be harmless...but from the info I
have to work with indicates one should take a defensive posture until
more info indicates otherwise.

Personally I hope William and this conservative become the best of
friends so each can learn from the other's views of life....both
liberal and conservative...they both have something to teach.

Caveat emptor!