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I admit to being a Bush fan, but on a declining basis as he neared the end
of his term. So, I let him slide on a lot of stuff. Today, Purple Lips said our country's electric grid was much the same as in Thomas Edison's day. I guess he never read about Nikola Tesla or alternating current. I was in a car wash and laughed my ass off at the captioned picture. When my wife asked me what I was laughing about, I explained it to her and a couple of onlookers and they got a laugh, too. Steve |
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![]() "SteveB" wrote in message ... I admit to being a Bush fan, but on a declining basis as he neared the end of his term. So, I let him slide on a lot of stuff. Today, Purple Lips said our country's electric grid was much the same as in Thomas Edison's day. I guess he never read about Nikola Tesla or alternating current. I was in a car wash and laughed my ass off at the captioned picture. When my wife asked me what I was laughing about, I explained it to her and a couple of onlookers and they got a laugh, too. Steve Liberals have no use for actual facts when perpetrating an emotional manipulation scheme. Just forget what is right an what is wrong and embrace the horror they have planned for us. |
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![]() "SteveB" wrote in message ... Yes Steve, he was. JC |
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![]() "John R. Carroll" wrote in message ... "SteveB" wrote in message ... Yes Steve, he was. JC I figgered so. But during his terms, I had several sabbaticals for medical reasons, and my financial world was going good, so I really didn't even get into it. Letterman used to show some stuff that really made me ask myself, "Did I really vote for that guy"? But then, I looked at AlGore, and figured losing a finger was better than losing an arm. Steve |
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![]() "SteveB" wrote in message ... "John R. Carroll" wrote in message ... "SteveB" wrote in message ... Yes Steve, he was. JC I figgered so. But during his terms, I had several sabbaticals for medical reasons, and my financial world was going good, so I really didn't even get into it. Letterman used to show some stuff that really made me ask myself, "Did I really vote for that guy"? But then, I looked at AlGore, and figured losing a finger was better than losing an arm. Yeah, there is that. JC |
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![]() "John R. Carroll" wrote: "SteveB" wrote in message ... "John R. Carroll" wrote in message ... "SteveB" wrote in message ... Yes Steve, he was. JC I figgered so. But during his terms, I had several sabbaticals for medical reasons, and my financial world was going good, so I really didn't even get into it. Letterman used to show some stuff that really made me ask myself, "Did I really vote for that guy"? But then, I looked at AlGore, and figured losing a finger was better than losing an arm. Yeah, there is that. JC I think the decision between the two "wings" more or less boils down to whether you want to go through the wood chipper head first or feet first... |
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![]() "Buerste" wrote in message ... "SteveB" wrote in message ... I admit to being a Bush fan, but on a declining basis as he neared the end of his term. So, I let him slide on a lot of stuff. Today, Purple Lips said our country's electric grid was much the same as in Thomas Edison's day. I guess he never read about Nikola Tesla or alternating current. I was in a car wash and laughed my ass off at the captioned picture. When my wife asked me what I was laughing about, I explained it to her and a couple of onlookers and they got a laugh, too. Steve Liberals have no use for actual facts when perpetrating an emotional manipulation scheme. Just forget what is right an what is wrong and embrace the horror they have planned for us. Now you're trolling. You're not really that dumb. d8-) -- Ed Huntress |
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![]() "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Buerste" wrote in message ... "SteveB" wrote in message ... I admit to being a Bush fan, but on a declining basis as he neared the end of his term. So, I let him slide on a lot of stuff. Today, Purple Lips said our country's electric grid was much the same as in Thomas Edison's day. I guess he never read about Nikola Tesla or alternating current. I was in a car wash and laughed my ass off at the captioned picture. When my wife asked me what I was laughing about, I explained it to her and a couple of onlookers and they got a laugh, too. Steve Liberals have no use for actual facts when perpetrating an emotional manipulation scheme. Just forget what is right an what is wrong and embrace the horror they have planned for us. Now you're trolling. You're not really that dumb. d8-) -- Ed Huntress My plan is to adapt to the politics de jour. Just today I met with my entire engineering staff, all five of us. Well, the other tom isn't an engineer but RM. The topic was that since we are among the best in our industry, we should see how to best get some of the trillion bucks they are throwing away. What afternoon project could we do that would qualify for a few million? We already have a few alternate energy ideas that could be the ticket. We all agree not to let politics get in the way of a jackpot. So, I think it's the fool that doesn't game the system that is being designed to be gamed. I'll register as a Democrat, contribute to the right lawmakers (wink-wink), whatever it takes! We also have a new towed sonar array that our favorite retired aerospace engineer has been tinkering with for years while he was building underwater missile systems for the DOD(Shhhh). And, an idea for resealing joints in runways that reduces FOB problems. To bad defense spending will undoubtedly plummet. |
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On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:23:40 -0500, the infamous "Buerste"
scrawled the following: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Buerste" wrote in message ... "SteveB" wrote in message ... I admit to being a Bush fan, but on a declining basis as he neared the end of his term. So, I let him slide on a lot of stuff. Today, Purple Lips said our country's electric grid was much the same as in Thomas Edison's day. I guess he never read about Nikola Tesla or alternating current. I was in a car wash and laughed my ass off at the captioned picture. When my wife asked me what I was laughing about, I explained it to her and a couple of onlookers and they got a laugh, too. Steve Liberals have no use for actual facts when perpetrating an emotional manipulation scheme. Just forget what is right an what is wrong and embrace the horror they have planned for us. Now you're trolling. You're not really that dumb. d8-) -- Ed Huntress My plan is to adapt to the politics de jour. Just today I met with my entire engineering staff, all five of us. Well, the other tom isn't an engineer but RM. The topic was that since we are among the best in our industry, we should see how to best get some of the trillion bucks they are throwing away. What afternoon project could we do that would qualify for a few million? We already have a few alternate energy ideas that could be the ticket. We all agree not to let politics get in the way of a jackpot. So, I think it's the fool that doesn't game the system that is being designed to be gamed. I'll register as a Democrat, contribute to the right lawmakers (wink-wink), whatever it takes! We also have a new towed sonar array that our favorite retired aerospace engineer has been tinkering with for years while he was building underwater missile systems for the DOD(Shhhh). And, an idea for resealing joints in runways that reduces FOB problems. To bad defense spending will undoubtedly plummet. Indeed. How about creating a new, stiff-bristled body brush? "They" can fit 'em to street sweepers and use 'em to sweep the dead bodies off the street after "they" destroy the U.S. (and then the world) economy with bailouts, resulting in much of the population dying. [Won't Paul Ehrlich and the Malthusians (sounds like a really bad band, huh?) be happy when that day dawns?] ![]() -- I'm still waiting for another sublime, transcendent flash of adequacy. --Winnie of RCM |
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![]() "Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:23:40 -0500, the infamous "Buerste" scrawled the following: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Buerste" wrote in message ... "SteveB" wrote in message ... I admit to being a Bush fan, but on a declining basis as he neared the end of his term. So, I let him slide on a lot of stuff. Today, Purple Lips said our country's electric grid was much the same as in Thomas Edison's day. I guess he never read about Nikola Tesla or alternating current. I was in a car wash and laughed my ass off at the captioned picture. When my wife asked me what I was laughing about, I explained it to her and a couple of onlookers and they got a laugh, too. Steve Liberals have no use for actual facts when perpetrating an emotional manipulation scheme. Just forget what is right an what is wrong and embrace the horror they have planned for us. Now you're trolling. You're not really that dumb. d8-) -- Ed Huntress My plan is to adapt to the politics de jour. Just today I met with my entire engineering staff, all five of us. Well, the other tom isn't an engineer but RM. The topic was that since we are among the best in our industry, we should see how to best get some of the trillion bucks they are throwing away. What afternoon project could we do that would qualify for a few million? We already have a few alternate energy ideas that could be the ticket. We all agree not to let politics get in the way of a jackpot. So, I think it's the fool that doesn't game the system that is being designed to be gamed. I'll register as a Democrat, contribute to the right lawmakers (wink-wink), whatever it takes! We also have a new towed sonar array that our favorite retired aerospace engineer has been tinkering with for years while he was building underwater missile systems for the DOD(Shhhh). And, an idea for resealing joints in runways that reduces FOB problems. To bad defense spending will undoubtedly plummet. Indeed. How about creating a new, stiff-bristled body brush? "They" can fit 'em to street sweepers and use 'em to sweep the dead bodies off the street after "they" destroy the U.S. (and then the world) economy with bailouts, resulting in much of the population dying. [Won't Paul Ehrlich and the Malthusians (sounds like a really bad band, huh?) be happy when that day dawns?] ![]() -- I'm still waiting for another sublime, transcendent flash of adequacy. --Winnie of RCM We already make brushes to remove flesh from cadavers to harvest bone grafts. We COULD make a set-up that would sweep up the dead bodies AND strip the flesh from them. Then cycle the flesh into processing to make some kind of nutritious food cracker or paste. Mmmmm! The bones could be used for building materials. HEY...the bodies don't have to be dead, do they? |
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On Feb 17, 10:23*pm, "Buerste" wrote:
"Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Buerste" wrote in message .. . "SteveB" wrote in message ... I admit to being a Bush fan, but on a declining basis as he neared the end of his term. *So, I let him slide on a lot of stuff. Today, Purple Lips said our country's electric grid was much the same as in Thomas Edison's day. *I guess he never read about Nikola Tesla or alternating current. I was in a car wash and laughed my ass off at the captioned picture. When my wife asked me what I was laughing about, I explained it to her and a couple of onlookers and they got a laugh, too. Steve Liberals have no use for actual facts when perpetrating an emotional manipulation scheme. *Just forget what is right an what is wrong and embrace the horror they have planned for us. Now you're trolling. You're not really that dumb. d8-) -- Ed Huntress My plan is to adapt to the politics de jour. *Just today I met with my entire engineering staff, all five of us. *Well, the other tom isn't an engineer but RM. *The topic was that since we are among the best *in our industry, we should see how to best get some of the trillion bucks they are throwing away. *What afternoon project could we do that would qualify for a few million? *We already have a few alternate energy ideas that could be the ticket. *We all agree not to let politics get in the way of a jackpot. *So, I think it's the fool that doesn't game the system that is being designed to be gamed. *I'll register as a Democrat, contribute to the right lawmakers (wink-wink), whatever it takes! We also have a new towed sonar array that our favorite retired aerospace engineer has been tinkering with for years while he was building underwater missile systems for the DOD(Shhhh). *And, an idea for resealing joints in runways that reduces FOB problems. *To bad defense spending will undoubtedly plummet.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You mean "defense welfare"? Long overdue. TMT |
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![]() "Buerste" wrote in message ... "SteveB" wrote in message ... I admit to being a Bush fan, but on a declining basis as he neared the end of his term. So, I let him slide on a lot of stuff. Today, Purple Lips said our country's electric grid was much the same as in Thomas Edison's day. I guess he never read about Nikola Tesla or alternating current. I was in a car wash and laughed my ass off at the captioned picture. When my wife asked me what I was laughing about, I explained it to her and a couple of onlookers and they got a laugh, too. Steve Liberals have no use for actual facts when perpetrating an emotional manipulation scheme. Just forget what is right an what is wrong and embrace the horror they have planned for us. Right wingers as a group, are the most ill informed, poorly educated, biased, over emotional, mean, bigoted, and selfish people I have ever met. Since I grew up in a republican family and lived in Orange County, Ca., I have known a whole lot of them and have nothing but contempt for them. So I derive a great deal of fun hearing them talk about all the things that are wrong with liberals. It's quite the irony too when so called Christians constantly criticize others when they are guilty of even worse sins than those they criticize (people who live in glass houses, for you Christians). To hear a right winger accuse liberals of having no use for the facts is absolutely hilarious. If anyone has no time for the facts it's the right wing. Which I will remind them once again of a very important fact. You guys are the losers, so shut up. Your side had its chance and look where you people got us. As usual, a Democrat has to come in and clean up the mess republicans made of the country. Hawke |
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On Feb 18, 1:57*am, "Hawke" wrote:
"Buerste" wrote in message ... "SteveB" wrote in message ... I admit to being a Bush fan, but on a declining basis as he neared the end of his term. *So, I let him slide on a lot of stuff. Today, Purple Lips said our country's electric grid was much the same as in Thomas Edison's day. *I guess he never read about Nikola Tesla or alternating current. I was in a car wash and laughed my ass off at the captioned picture. When my wife asked me what I was laughing about, I explained it to her and a couple of onlookers and they got a laugh, too. Steve Liberals have no use for actual facts when perpetrating an emotional manipulation scheme. *Just forget what is right an what is wrong and embrace the horror they have planned for us. Right wingers as a group, are the most ill informed, poorly educated, biased, over emotional, mean, bigoted, and selfish people I have ever met.. Since I grew up in a republican family and lived in Orange County, Ca., I have known a whole lot of them and have nothing but contempt for them. So I derive a great deal of fun hearing them talk about all the things that are wrong with liberals. It's quite the irony too when so called Christians constantly criticize others when they are guilty of even worse sins than those they criticize (people who live in glass houses, for you Christians). To hear a right winger accuse liberals of having no use for the facts is absolutely hilarious. If anyone has no time for the facts it's the right wing. Which I will remind them once again of a very important fact. You guys are the losers, so shut up. Your side had its chance and look where you people got us. As usual, a Democrat has to come in and clean up the mess republicans made of the country. Hawke- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hawke does have a good point. For those who disagree, I suggest the Republicans repaid the trillion deficit that they caused before pointing the finger. TMT |
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![]() "Buerste" wrote in message ... "SteveB" wrote in message ... I admit to being a Bush fan, but on a declining basis as he neared the end of his term. So, I let him slide on a lot of stuff. Today, Purple Lips said our country's electric grid was much the same as in Thomas Edison's day. I guess he never read about Nikola Tesla or alternating current. I was in a car wash and laughed my ass off at the captioned picture. When my wife asked me what I was laughing about, I explained it to her and a couple of onlookers and they got a laugh, too. Steve Liberals have no use for actual facts when perpetrating an emotional manipulation scheme. Just forget what is right an what is wrong and embrace the horror they have planned for us. Turns out it's not Obama who had the facts wrong, Tesla actually worked for Edison for a short time and alternating current was developed while Edison was still active in the electrical business. |
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:15:40 -0500, "ATP*" wrote:
"Buerste" wrote "SteveB" wrote I admit to being a Bush fan, but on a declining basis as he neared the end of his term. So, I let him slide on a lot of stuff. Today, Purple Lips said our country's electric grid was much the same as in Thomas Edison's day. I guess he never read about Nikola Tesla or alternating current. I was in a car wash and laughed my ass off at the captioned picture. When my wife asked me what I was laughing about, I explained it to her and a couple of onlookers and they got a laugh, too. Liberals have no use for actual facts when perpetrating an emotional manipulation scheme. Just forget what is right an what is wrong and embrace the horror they have planned for us. Turns out it's not Obama who had the facts wrong, Tesla actually worked for Edison for a short time and alternating current was developed while Edison was still active in the electrical business. Short form: Edison thought Tesla was a crackpot and fired him - and when Tesla later developed practrical AC power it threatened the Patents that Edison held and Monopoly positions he had developed in DC equipment and services. Edison declared war and did his best to tear down Westinghouse and Tesla in the media and proclaim his DC as safer. Well, you can see where that went... Tesla was probably a bit crazy, but it was a good crazy. Edison wasn't an inventor as much as a Pointy Haired Boss - Developing the lightbulb they didn't follow a systematic method of coming up with a good filament, Edison just had all his lab assistants throw every material they could come up with at it, and develop the solution by brute force elimination. And the first few "sucessful" filaments really weren't all that good, like carbonized bamboo and carbonized cotton thread. Tungsten came much later. -- Bruce -- |
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![]() "Bruce L. Bergman" wrote in message ... On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:15:40 -0500, "ATP*" wrote: "Buerste" wrote "SteveB" wrote I admit to being a Bush fan, but on a declining basis as he neared the end of his term. So, I let him slide on a lot of stuff. Today, Purple Lips said our country's electric grid was much the same as in Thomas Edison's day. I guess he never read about Nikola Tesla or alternating current. I was in a car wash and laughed my ass off at the captioned picture. When my wife asked me what I was laughing about, I explained it to her and a couple of onlookers and they got a laugh, too. Liberals have no use for actual facts when perpetrating an emotional manipulation scheme. Just forget what is right an what is wrong and embrace the horror they have planned for us. Turns out it's not Obama who had the facts wrong, Tesla actually worked for Edison for a short time and alternating current was developed while Edison was still active in the electrical business. Short form: Edison thought Tesla was a crackpot and fired him - and when Tesla later developed practrical AC power it threatened the Patents that Edison held and Monopoly positions he had developed in DC equipment and services. Edison declared war and did his best to tear down Westinghouse and Tesla in the media and proclaim his DC as safer. Well, you can see where that went... Tesla was probably a bit crazy, but it was a good crazy. Edison wasn't an inventor as much as a Pointy Haired Boss - Developing the lightbulb they didn't follow a systematic method of coming up with a good filament, Edison just had all his lab assistants throw every material they could come up with at it, and develop the solution by brute force elimination. And the first few "sucessful" filaments really weren't all that good, like carbonized bamboo and carbonized cotton thread. Tungsten came much later. Tesla quit after he believed Edison cheated him out of a promised bonus. But my point is that Tesla, although younger than Edison, was a contemporary, and most of the elements of the modern distribution system were in fairly wide use during Edison's lifetime, even before he more or less left the business and got into mining, etc.. So to say that Obama is stupid and must never have read about AC or Tesla is not an informed statement. |
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![]() "ATP*" wrote in message ... "Bruce L. Bergman" wrote in message ... On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:15:40 -0500, "ATP*" wrote: "Buerste" wrote "SteveB" wrote I admit to being a Bush fan, but on a declining basis as he neared the end of his term. So, I let him slide on a lot of stuff. Today, Purple Lips said our country's electric grid was much the same as in Thomas Edison's day. I guess he never read about Nikola Tesla or alternating current. I was in a car wash and laughed my ass off at the captioned picture. When my wife asked me what I was laughing about, I explained it to her and a couple of onlookers and they got a laugh, too. Liberals have no use for actual facts when perpetrating an emotional manipulation scheme. Just forget what is right an what is wrong and embrace the horror they have planned for us. Turns out it's not Obama who had the facts wrong, Tesla actually worked for Edison for a short time and alternating current was developed while Edison was still active in the electrical business. Short form: Edison thought Tesla was a crackpot and fired him - and when Tesla later developed practrical AC power it threatened the Patents that Edison held and Monopoly positions he had developed in DC equipment and services. Edison declared war and did his best to tear down Westinghouse and Tesla in the media and proclaim his DC as safer. Well, you can see where that went... Tesla was probably a bit crazy, but it was a good crazy. Edison wasn't an inventor as much as a Pointy Haired Boss - Developing the lightbulb they didn't follow a systematic method of coming up with a good filament, Edison just had all his lab assistants throw every material they could come up with at it, and develop the solution by brute force elimination. And the first few "sucessful" filaments really weren't all that good, like carbonized bamboo and carbonized cotton thread. Tungsten came much later. Tesla quit after he believed Edison cheated him out of a promised bonus. But my point is that Tesla, although younger than Edison, was a contemporary, and most of the elements of the modern distribution system were in fairly wide use during Edison's lifetime, even before he more or less left the business and got into mining, etc.. So to say that Obama is stupid and must never have read about AC or Tesla is not an informed statement. So, then, just where IS the power grid in the condition it was during Edison's day? I say Obama is stupid just from listening to what he says on a lot of things. Steve |
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:51:18 -0800, Bruce L. Bergman
wrote: Edison wasn't an inventor as much as a Pointy Haired Boss - Developing the lightbulb they didn't follow a systematic method of coming up with a good filament, Edison just had all his lab assistants throw every material they could come up with at it, and develop the solution by brute force elimination. And the first few "sucessful" filaments really weren't all that good, like carbonized bamboo and carbonized cotton thread. Tungsten came much later. -- Bruce -- Developed by Joseph Swan thirty years before Edison's work. He wasn't an inventor, he was a thief. Mark Rand RTFM |
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![]() "Mark Rand" wrote in message news ![]() On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:51:18 -0800, Bruce L. Bergman wrote: Edison wasn't an inventor as much as a Pointy Haired Boss - Developing the lightbulb they didn't follow a systematic method of coming up with a good filament, Edison just had all his lab assistants throw every material they could come up with at it, and develop the solution by brute force elimination. And the first few "sucessful" filaments really weren't all that good, like carbonized bamboo and carbonized cotton thread. Tungsten came much later. -- Bruce -- Developed by Joseph Swan thirty years before Edison's work. He wasn't an inventor, he was a thief. Mark Rand RTFM Careful, Mark. Don't you know Barack Obama invented the light bulb? Steve |
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![]() "SteveB" wrote in message ... I admit to being a Bush fan, but on a declining basis as he neared the end of his term. So, I let him slide on a lot of stuff. Today, Purple Lips said our country's electric grid was much the same as in Thomas Edison's day. I guess he never read about Nikola Tesla or alternating current. "Obama vowed to change what he called "a grid of lines and wires that dates back to Thomas Edison - a grid that can't support the demands of clean energy."" http://www.grandforksherald.com/ap/i...w&id=D96DKQR82 The three-phase grid that was being put in place at the end of Edison's life has not changed that much- it certainly has changed a lot since Edison's first power plant on Pearl Street and DC distribution system. In the early days, Edison clung to his belief in DC and even electrocuted an elephant with a Westinghouse AC generator to demonstrate the dangers of the "electrocutioner's current". http://www.srobbin.com/2006/10/26/th...g-an-elephant/ So I guess it hinges in part on what you consider Thomas Edison's day. Also consider that this is part of a speech and referencing Samuel Insull's day or Nikola Tesla's day wouldn't work too well. |
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So I guess it hinges in part on what you consider Thomas Edison's day. Also consider that this is part of a speech and referencing Samuel Insull's day or Nikola Tesla's day wouldn't work too well. I'd define "Edison's day" as anything that happensed while he was alive. Edison died in 1931. So - was the modern day power grid developed before 1931? |
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![]() "Maxwell Lol" wrote in message ... "ATP*" writes: So I guess it hinges in part on what you consider Thomas Edison's day. Also consider that this is part of a speech and referencing Samuel Insull's day or Nikola Tesla's day wouldn't work too well. I'd define "Edison's day" as anything that happensed while he was alive. Edison died in 1931. So - was the modern day power grid developed before 1931? Most of it. The Germans were quite a bit ahead of us, the US electrical system grew haphazardly prior to consolidation. Certainly AC and polyphase power was part of Edison's day, not after his day, although he opposed it for quite a while. One major element of modern local distribution was developed by Edison, the three wire 110/220 volt system, although Edison's was DC. "Networks of Power" by Thomas Hughes is a good history of the technical and practical development of the power grid. |
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:24:41 -0500, "ATP*" wrote:
One major element of modern local distribution was developed by Edison, the three wire 110/220 volt system, although Edison's was DC. "Networks of Power" by Thomas Hughes is a good history of the technical and practical development of the power grid. That abortion in itself is one reason why your entire system needs replacing :-) I believe that there is a consensus that the US grid is less resilient than it ought to be, but that wasn't what he was talking about. Mark Rand RTFM |
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:10:22 -0500, Maxwell Lol
wrote: "ATP*" writes: So I guess it hinges in part on what you consider Thomas Edison's day. Also consider that this is part of a speech and referencing Samuel Insull's day or Nikola Tesla's day wouldn't work too well. I'd define "Edison's day" as anything that happensed while he was alive. Edison died in 1931. So - was the modern day power grid developed before 1931? Most of it, yes. |
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I admit to being a Bush fan, but on a declining basis as he neared the end of his term. So, I let him slide on a lot of stuff. Today, Purple Lips said our country's electric grid was much the same as in Thomas Edison's day. I guess he never read about Nikola Tesla or alternating current. They are all ignorant. Obama was asked what his position was on cleaning up the Hanford Project and he said he didn't know what it was. |
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